on a stealth play through, on the same save (without re-doing missions using mission select) which resulted in SHADOW and JUST DARK ENOUGH being awarded:

I didnt kill the assasins in prologue.

only knocked out weepers beneath the Hound Pits Pub just before The Golden Cat mission.

didint kill granny rags (ran for it, undetected, DIDNT take / burn her cameo or anything)

have ALL ticks for GHOST and DIDINT KILL ANYONE on each mission (3 unconsious people / "bodies" were found)

done all quests so main targets etc are "neutralized" without killling.

TWO thisngs i think may be the cause?

i DID kill some dogs but wasnt detected by them.  DOES THIS MATTER? (I have seen this elsewhere: "Wolfhound kills do not count towards Chaos, but they can detect your character and will count towards that.")

Plus i also, for the sake of gaining the VERSATILE acheivment, started to replay a previous mission. But reloaded my REAL game afterward.

IS THIS SAVE SYSTEM THE PROBLEM?

i knew what i was letting myself in for.

but have to say: i find this boring.

if i wanted to learn somethign by failing over over and over repeating exercises but picking up a new piece of info each time, I'd go learn kung fu or something that could make me money.

I can appreciate what the game is all about / trying to do but frankly, theres little reward for moving forward and you just get raped whether you like it or not. and theres NOTHING you can do to prevent some things from draining your life (barrles coming down stairs etc).

plus, although i;m told this is an open world to explore etc, there are blatant directions one MUST go based on enemies abilites etc

i expect many messages telling me how rubbishi am etc. but was kinda hoping for some encouragement to keep playing.

i knew what i was letting myself in for.

but have to say: i find this boring.

if i wanted to learn somethign by failing over over and over repeating exercises but picking up a new piece of info each time, I'd go learn kung fu or something that could make me money.

I can appreciate what the game is all about / trying to do but frankly, theres little reward for moving forward and you just get raped whether you like it or not. and theres NOTHING you can do to prevent some things from draining your life (barrles coming down stairs etc).

plus, although i;m told this is an open world to explore etc, there are blatant directions one MUST go based on enemies abilites etc

i expect many messages telling me how **** i am etc. but was kinda hoping for some encouragement to keep playing.

GT: LENGTHIAN

courtesy of EA's greed and introduction of the game spoiling farce that is rent-a-server i'm quitting bf3.

if youre up for plying bbc2 (preferably with a mic) please add me as a friend (and simply quote BBC2 (or similar) in the invite).

BBC2 was allways awesome fun so will look forward to playing again