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I'm not going to lie. I saw this game at E3 and though "ugh, SJWs are going to destroy all the sacred franchises in gaming". I got the game because I loved the first two Wolfenstein (modern wolfenstein games rather). Then I used the buddy pass to co-op with my friend just the other night, and it was fun. There isn't anything else to call it. The combat was fun, the difficulty feels a little bit high but that could be because we didn't use much in the way of skill points. That being said, the game is fun. That's the only requirement for a game. Can you pick it up alone or with a friend and have a good time. I don't agree with the politics that spawned this game, I'm not a huge fan of the new mechanics and elements added in the game, and i'm firmly against microtransactions. But it's a fun game......that is the most important thing. and the characters themselves....I wanted to hate them in a way because they weren't BJ, but honestly. They were goofy at times, but ultimately likable. I think the fact that it's a fun game should probably speak louder than all the social noise around the other things. But that's just me.

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Are you suggesting that SJWs aren't a thing? Or that they are or doing their best to push their agendas in the world of gaming? I'm not sure what the date has to do with anything. You can look at this game and see just from the general concept clearly see that it has a social agenda to push. I'm not saying it's bad or good in this game, or that the game is bad or good. But acting like those influences don't exist or that mentioning their influence is just silly.

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I love will, and I wish him the best and the best for the movie. But I just can't, I heard the music and my brain automatically filled in the voice, and when it didn't match the body or anything else.....I just can't do it. It's Robin's role, not Will's or Disney's fault but I just can't.

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I love will, and I wish him the best and the best for the movie. But I just can't I heard the music and my brain automatically filled in the voice, and when it didn't match the body or anything else.....I just can't do it. It's Robin's role, not Will's or Disney's fault but I just can't.

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@bussinrounds: I can respect that. There will always be a niche market for the cRPG, and if that's your preference I think it's great that is still an option.

But that doesn't make AAA crap it just makes them what most is the most market worthy way of storytelling and when it's good it's fantastic.

But they are story driven affairs and not life simulators like they used to be. Both are good in their own ways.

RPGs I have played have easily rivaled any stories from books I've read and if they were like Elder Scrolls 2 I wouldn't have experienced them.

It's more that you order Western rpgs on their original format, while I prefer eastern. Neither of which is objectively better then the other. I can take or leave the modern amalgamation of the two.

But to say that one is crap is just not accurate. Stories and games are judged by how they engross players in their stories and worlds. And the modern AAA RPG while it's neither of our preference is undeniably more accomplished at this than either of our preferred genres. To say one is crap is just ignoring what makes a game special over other media.

I'll take Persona 5 as the gold standard in my lifetime. But I don't begrudge anyone who gets more out of Skyrim than me, or any cRPGs. The more games and the more stories that reach the most gamers the better in my opinion.

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@bussinrounds: ok,,I watched the first 20 minutes and I think I see where you are coming from as opposed to where I'm coming from.

You are speaking in terms of more table top RPGs that more represent as it said in the video "fantasy life simulators".

I can see how coming from that perspective modern RPGs must appear massively scaled down and simplified. My perspective is from the east as too where my introduction to RPGs were final fantasy and secret of mana and the like. Where there were always some life simulator aspects, but nothing on par with what Elder Scrolls 2 was going for.

I don't think the modern western RPG is being dumbed down. I feel like east vs West were competing for market dollars back then, and the East clearly won. So, the simplification you point to is just western RPGs trying to compete and easternize. Clearly they accomplished that with Skyrim which became the standard and all RPGs to come after it both east and west fell in line after that fact. To where we are now. It's not about not becoming less of an RPG it's actually a melding of East and West and result of that. Yes it's more popular and simplistic because that is what the market, not the developers independent of this fact, wanted.

It would be nice if some of that stuff could be left in as options in future games, but considering the millions or hundreds of dollars have to be interested in this "simplistic" version of the game it is unrealistic to demand they potentially double the cost while at the same time shrink the potential audience. If a game doesn't make money people lose their jobs and no more games are made and in this era of AAA games where the price to compete and the bar is so unbelievably high it's just not realistic to criticize modern RPGs for being something that was tried and beaten in the market decades ago. It's like demanding they make zunes exactly like they were but more modern and expecting them to compete.

I'm not saying you are wrong to feel like you do, but those types of RPGs time has passed, and this one results in more games not less or worst case a dead genre forever relegated to table tops.

Isn't that better?

And who knows, maybe someone with more money than common sense will create exactly what you want as a passion project and it'll win back the market and start a new era. But for the big boys? Risk is too high to expect it.

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@bussinrounds: I want to say you are wrong because I'm a life long almost exclusively RPG fan and I loved FO4. But truthfully I have never played a Bethesda game from before oblivion. So I'm not sure what you mean.

Where they more menu heavy maybe?

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@bussinrounds: huh? All Beth fallout?

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@RS13: oh, my bad. I just heard the next two games would use the engine,I assumed FO5 was one of them. My bad

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@brandxbeer: no, I will not. I am a collector and collector's editions go REAL fast. I have no choice but to pre-order and be one of the first to do so or I will not get that sweet sweet swag that is slowly filling up my display room. So sod off on your anti pre-order rhetoric. Some of us don't have a real choice since we chose to be collectors.....And to be honest I've only really regretted it one time.....damn we happy few.

Great swag, horrible game. Though better then 76, but that's not saying anything really. What I scraped off the bottom of my shoe is better then 76