By the time 8GB DDR5 RAM actually means something the PS4 will be a gen behind

Right now PC gamers are playing in 1080p and above with 60FPS.  That's what I play in and no game uses anything like 8GB RAM.  The most RAM heavy game I play is DayZ, the Arma 2 mod, coming in at around 2GB RAM.  Most likely because it is an unoptimised mod for another game.  

Crysis 3 in ultra 1080p, uses around 3GB RAM.  

My GPU, a GTX 580 SC, has 1.5GB DDR5 RAM.  More than enough to cover any game currently at 1080p.  I am on the verge of getting a new GPU and even the medium spec GPU nowadays have 2-3GB DDR5 RAM.  I'm looking at a GTX 680 with 4GB DDR5.  Now that is a pretty decent PC, but that 4GB DDR5 will only be relevant if I have a multi monitor setup and some obscene resolution right now.

I see a lot of talk of this 8GB DDR5 RAM on the PS4, firstly the GPU and CPU are far more important features for gaming.  The 8GB is really only for longetivity, it is not going to be used for years, the games coming out on the PS4 will use 1-2GB of it at most for 1080p games (which as has already been stated, will be the stndard for the PS4).

So this 8GB DDR5 RAM is actually completely irrelevant and will be for a number of years, until games start actually using all that RAM.  In the meantime it will just sit there doing nothing in the console.  Waiting for the day it becomes relevant.  By that time the PC will be running DDR8 or DDR9, or perhaps something even beyond that whole concept.   

TL;DR - In short, by the time the 8GB DDR5 becomes actually useful, the standard gaming PC will be another generation ahead in terms of technology.  It will likely feature more RAM of a more advanced variety.  

The PS4's GPU seems to be the equivalent of a medium range gaming PC and the CPU is an open question.  I know playing Planetside 2 right now, my computer is CPU limited in terms of framerate, as opposed to GPU limited.  In large battles my framerate dips to 35-40 FPS, which is borderline unacceptable for me.  Now that is down to the large number of people in a battle, sometimes 500-600 people in a single area battling.  I have a 3770K (4 cores) @ 4.6Ghz.  Will 8 cores @ 1.6Ghz really work?  I don't know.

What I'm pleased about with the new consoles is that they are very similar to PC's now, the same architecture, means that dodgy PC ports should be a thing of the past.  I do however think that the latest console specs, whilst providing a big boost initially at least on the previous generation, will leave the consoles further behind the PC than this current generation ultimately.  The last generation of consoles were far closer to a top end PC than this generation will be on release.

Another dumb thread about PS4s 8GB RAM. :roll:

I feel people here don't understand a thing about hardware or game development.

This shouldn't come as a shock to me, but lately it's been almost shocking the ignorance.

First of all, DDR is system memory. The memory in the GPU is GDDR. Got it? Also, RAM isn't the one you would say about the GPU memory. It's VRAM, an abbreviation of Video Random Access Memory.

I'm very glad that the PS4 has a PC-like architecture because it, like what you said, eliminates dodgy PC ports. Hopefully the next Xbox will follow. All for the good of PC gaming.

I do believe that PS4 memory is a single pool of storage for everything, including the OS and other processes. I can see why it's so big.

I do believe that PS4 memory is a single pool of storage for everything, including the OS and other processes. I can see why it's so big.

crippledmachine

Exactly. Remeber, the PS4 is also doing in-game video recording on a dedicated video encoding chip (to save CPU), so that will suck up a good chunk of that 8 gigs of RAM. 

I imagine that most games will have like 4-5 gigs allocated to them. This is more than enough really. Even Planetside 2 runs with 3ish gigs of RAM total (about 2 gigs for system ram, 1 gig for vRAM).

[QUOTE="crippledmachine"]

I do believe that PS4 memory is a single pool of storage for everything, including the OS and other processes. I can see why it's so big.

Wasdie

Exactly. Remeber, the PS4 is also doing in-game video recording on a dedicated video encoding chip (to save CPU), so that will suck up a good chunk of that 8 gigs of RAM. 

I imagine that most games will have like 4-5 gigs allocated to them. This is more than enough really. Even Planetside 2 runs with 3ish gigs of RAM total (about 2 gigs for system ram, 1 gig for vRAM).

cows believe 8 gigs are just for dedicated for graphics.Tessellation

Playstation fanboys sure are annoying praising 8Gig GDDR5, 

but what is even more pathetic is the PC fanboys ever more desperate attampts to downplay it, it reeks of insecurity.

that is all

[QUOTE="Tessellation"] cows believe 8 gigs are just for dedicated for graphics.mitu123

Playstation sure are annoying praising 8Gig GDDR5, 

 

but what is even more pathetic is the PC fanboys ever more desperate attampts to downplay it, it reeks of insecurity.

 

that is all

Zaibach

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="crippledmachine"]

I do believe that PS4 memory is a single pool of storage for everything, including the OS and other processes. I can see why it's so big.

Tessellation

Exactly. Remeber, the PS4 is also doing in-game video recording on a dedicated video encoding chip (to save CPU), so that will suck up a good chunk of that 8 gigs of RAM. 

I imagine that most games will have like 4-5 gigs allocated to them. This is more than enough really. Even Planetside 2 runs with 3ish gigs of RAM total (about 2 gigs for system ram, 1 gig for vRAM).

Exactly, the point missed by multiple people in this thread.  

Who cares whether the 8GB will be used by OS or video recording, we are talking about game performance and how relevant it will be in games.  That's what system wars is about right?  Not which system can record videos better, but which runs games better.  For games, 8GB will not be used for years, by which time the alternative will be vastly superior.

not with Sony at the helm. By gamers, for gamers. Thank you Sony. Heil68

[QUOTE="Tessellation"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Exactly. Remeber, the PS4 is also doing in-game video recording on a dedicated video encoding chip (to save CPU), so that will suck up a good chunk of that 8 gigs of RAM. 

I imagine that most games will have like 4-5 gigs allocated to them. This is more than enough really. Even Planetside 2 runs with 3ish gigs of RAM total (about 2 gigs for system ram, 1 gig for vRAM).

iamrob7

Exactly, the point missed by multiple people in this thread.  

Who cares whether the 8GB will be used by OS or video recording, we are talking about game performance and how relevant it will be in games.  That's what system wars is about right?  Not which system can record videos better, but which runs games better.

Yes, because those system resources (8gb) will be used by the PS4 to DO all of that, play games, record videos, schedualing, etc. It was already said the PS4 will be able to record videos, meaning that it needs to play games as it does and have enough resources left over to record gameplay

IMO that 8gb is great you can never have too much memory. I do video encoding and large 1080p files will use as much memory as you have.

[QUOTE="Heil68"]not with Sony at the helm. By gamers, for gamers. Thank you Sony. faizan_faizan

IMO that 8gb is great you can never have too much memory.no-scope-AK47

You can't have that thread title then call it DDR5. Point is, you don't know sh*t.SaltyMeatballs

GDDR5 is EXACTLY the same thing as DDR5.  The additional G only identifies whether it is being applied solely to the GPU or not.  

We are talking about game performance, that's what system wars is about correct?  So whether you can use the 8GB for OS and whatever other apps you might want to run on your PS4 and you can't use the GDDR5 on the PC for that is completely irrelevant.  We are talking about game performance.

I'll eagerly anticipate your apology.

Well Sony is putting them on the map again Heil68

8GB of GDDR5 and 8 core APU=New CELL Incredibly overrated.PCelitism93

this is starting to sound like a broken record.  :lol:

[QUOTE="iamrob7"]

[QUOTE="Tessellation"] cows believe 8 gigs are just dedicated for graphics.

way2funny

Exactly, the point missed by multiple people in this thread.  

Who cares whether the 8GB will be used by OS or video recording, we are talking about game performance and how relevant it will be in games.  That's what system wars is about right?  Not which system can record videos better, but which runs games better.

Yes, because those system resources (8gb) will be used by the PS4 to DO all of that, play games, record videos, schedualing, etc. It was already said the PS4 will be able to record videos, meaning that it needs to play games as it does and have enough resources left over to record gameplay

What is your point?  Are you agreeing with me?  It's hard to tell.  Like I said, we are talking about the relevance of that 8GB in game performance.  I think it is a great idea they are putting in 8GB.  My point is in terms of game performance/graphical fidelity, by the time it provides some sort of advantage it will be far behind the current tech.  

IMO that 8gb is great you can never have too much memory. I do video encoding and large 1080p files will use as much memory as you have.

no-scope-AK47

Yes it is great to have more RAM undoubtedly.  That's not what my post is about though, I'm not saying 8GB of DDR5 is a bad thing.  I'm saying that by the time it provides any advantage in the actual games, it will be far behind the PC equivalent.  Rendering it meaningless in terms of SW.

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]You can't have that thread title then call it DDR5. Point is, you don't know sh*t.iamrob7

GDDR5 is EXACTLY the same thing as DDR5.  The additional G only identifies whether it is being applied solely to the GPU or not.  

We are talking about game performance, that's what system wars is about correct?  So whether you can use the 8GB for OS and whatever other apps you might want to run on your PS4 and you can't use the GDDR5 on the PC for that is completely irrelevant.  We are talking about game performance.

I'll eagerly anticipate your apology.

No GDDR5 is DDR3 thats customized for graphics workloads.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Tessellation"] cows believe 8 gigs are just for dedicated for graphics.Tessellation

Right now PC gamers are playing in 1080p and above with 60FPS.  That's what I play in and no game uses anything like 8GB RAM.  The most RAM heavy game I play is DayZ, the Arma 2 mod, coming in at around 2GB RAM.  Most likely because it is an unoptimised mod for another game.  

 

Crysis 3 in ultra 1080p, uses around 1.5GB RAM.  

 

My GPU, a GTX 580 SC, has 1.5GB DDR5 RAM.  More than enough to cover any game currently at 1080p.  I am on the verge of getting a new GPU and even the medium spec GPU nowadays have 2-3GB DDR5 RAM.  I'm looking at a GTX 680 with 4GB DDR5.  Now that is a pretty decent PC, but that 4GB DDR5 will only be relevant if I have a multi monitor setup and some obscene resolution right now.

 

I see a lot of talk of this 8GB DDR5 RAM on the PS4, firstly the GPU and CPU are far more important features for gaming.  The 8GB is really only for longetivity, it is not going to be used for years, the games coming out on the PS4 will use 1-2GB of it at most for 1080p games (which as has already been stated, will be the stndard for the PS4).

 

So this 8GB DDR5 RAM is actually completely irrelevant and will be for a number of years, until games start actually using all that RAM.  In the meantime it will just sit there doing nothing in the console.  Waiting for the day it becomes relevant.  By that time the PC will be running DDR8 or DDR9, or perhaps something even beyond that whole concept.   

 

TL;DR - In short, by the time the 8GB DDR5 becomes actually useful, the standard gaming PC will be another generation ahead in terms of technology.  It will likely feature more RAM of a more advanced variety.  

 

The PS4's GPU seems to be the equivalent of a medium range gaming PC and the CPU is an open question.  I know playing Planetside 2 right now, my computer is CPU limited in terms of framerate, as opposed to GPU limited.  In large battles my framerate dips to 35-40 FPS, which is borderline unacceptable for me.  Now that is down to the large number of people in a battle, sometimes 500-600 people in a single area battling.  I have a 3770K (4 cores) @ 4.6Ghz.  Will 8 cores @ 1.6Ghz really work?  I don't know.

 

What I'm pleased about with the new consoles is that they are very similar to PC's now, the same architecture, means that dodgy PC ports should be a thing of the past.  I do however think that the latest console specs, whilst providing a big boost initially at least on the previous generation, will leave the consoles further behind the PC than this current generation ultimately.  The last generation of consoles were far closer to a top end PC than this generation will be on release.

 

iamrob7

You can't have that thread title then call it DDR5. Point is, you don't know sh*t.SaltyMeatballs

[QUOTE="iamrob7"]

Right now PC gamers are playing in 1080p and above with 60FPS.  That's what I play in and no game uses anything like 8GB RAM.  The most RAM heavy game I play is DayZ, the Arma 2 mod, coming in at around 2GB RAM.  Most likely because it is an unoptimised mod for another game.  

 

Crysis 3 in ultra 1080p, uses around 1.5GB RAM.  

 

My GPU, a GTX 580 SC, has 1.5GB DDR5 RAM.  More than enough to cover any game currently at 1080p.  I am on the verge of getting a new GPU and even the medium spec GPU nowadays have 2-3GB DDR5 RAM.  I'm looking at a GTX 680 with 4GB DDR5.  Now that is a pretty decent PC, but that 4GB DDR5 will only be relevant if I have a multi monitor setup and some obscene resolution right now.

 

I see a lot of talk of this 8GB DDR5 RAM on the PS4, firstly the GPU and CPU are far more important features for gaming.  The 8GB is really only for longetivity, it is not going to be used for years, the games coming out on the PS4 will use 1-2GB of it at most for 1080p games (which as has already been stated, will be the stndard for the PS4).

 

So this 8GB DDR5 RAM is actually completely irrelevant and will be for a number of years, until games start actually using all that RAM.  In the meantime it will just sit there doing nothing in the console.  Waiting for the day it becomes relevant.  By that time the PC will be running DDR8 or DDR9, or perhaps something even beyond that whole concept.   

 

TL;DR - In short, by the time the 8GB DDR5 becomes actually useful, the standard gaming PC will be another generation ahead in terms of technology.  It will likely feature more RAM of a more advanced variety.  

 

The PS4's GPU seems to be the equivalent of a medium range gaming PC and the CPU is an open question.  I know playing Planetside 2 right now, my computer is CPU limited in terms of framerate, as opposed to GPU limited.  In large battles my framerate dips to 35-40 FPS, which is borderline unacceptable for me.  Now that is down to the large number of people in a battle, sometimes 500-600 people in a single area battling.  I have a 3770K (4 cores) @ 4.6Ghz.  Will 8 cores @ 1.6Ghz really work?  I don't know.

 

What I'm pleased about with the new consoles is that they are very similar to PC's now, the same architecture, means that dodgy PC ports should be a thing of the past.  I do however think that the latest console specs, whilst providing a big boost initially at least on the previous generation, will leave the consoles further behind the PC than this current generation ultimately.  The last generation of consoles were far closer to a top end PC than this generation will be on release.

 

tormentos

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

IMO that 8gb is great you can never have too much memory. I do video encoding and large 1080p files will use as much memory as you have.

iamrob7

Yes it is great to have more RAM undoubtedly.  That's not what my post is about though, I'm not saying 8GB of DDR5 is a bad thing.  I'm saying that by the time it provides any advantage in the actual games, it will be far behind the PC equivalent.  Rendering it meaningless in terms of SW.

Everyone here's a developer :D

Everyone here's a developer :D

nextgenjoke

The intitial dev kits were only using 2G of RAM, second dev kit was upped to 4GB with the OS rumoured to be taking up 512mb. The video recording is handled by a secondary CPU and automatically records the last 15 mins of gameplay to the HDD, this will not be a huge drain on RAM. Certainly nothing like the 3GB hit some Herms are making it out to be.

It is perfectly realistic to assume that the PS4 will have at least 6GB of GDDR5 to use as VRAM during gameplay. The hardware 'experts' on SW might not think this is of any value, but game developers have been very positive about it.

Personally I'm more inclined to listen to what developers have to say on the subject than some basement dweller that has read a few articles in PC Gamer and thinks he knows something.

Everyone here's a developer :D

nextgenjoke

[QUOTE="crippledmachine"]

I do believe that PS4 memory is a single pool of storage for everything, including the OS and other processes. I can see why it's so big.

Wasdie

Exactly. Remeber, the PS4 is also doing in-game video recording on a dedicated video encoding chip (to save CPU), so that will suck up a good chunk of that 8 gigs of RAM. 

I imagine that most games will have like 4-5 gigs allocated to them. This is more than enough really. Even Planetside 2 runs with 3ish gigs of RAM total (about 2 gigs for system ram, 1 gig for vRAM).

Planetside 2 is way out there in terms of modern games, it uses far more resources than any game I'm aware of and a large part of that by the developers admission is down to poor optimisation on a new engine.  It actually uses around 0.5-1GB VRAM depending on your settings and between 1-2GB system RAM.  So at absolute worst it is roughly 3GB usage or less depending on your settings.  

Where exactly do you make the jump from that to most 1080p@30 console games in the next generation using 4-5 GB of RAM?  When the most extreme case on the PC in a new engine is only requiring 3GB 1080p@60 (or abouts)?  Crysis 3 ultra in 1440p only just goes above 3GB overall usage.  What exactly is going to be going on in "most" console games to be using 4-5GB RAM when they are only running in 1080p@30?

For the sake of argument, let's pretend a game on the newly released consoles out this year uses 5GB of RAM.  With mid range PC GPU's having 3GB DDR5 6 months before the new console generation comes out and high end GPU's having 4GB+ DDR5, this still provides no real advantage and certainly far less of an advantage than the previous generation of consoles had.  That's on release.  By the time the full 8GB DDR5 is used, the equivalent on the PC will be a generation ahead.     

This reeks of hermit insecurity. GDDR5 Domination Continuation :cool:

I do believe that PS4 memory is a single pool of storage for everything, including the OS and other processes. I can see why it's so big.

crippledmachine

*Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah* I see people praising the PS4 for setting industry standards and no one bats an eye at PC....waaaaaaahiamrob7

[QUOTE="iamrob7"]

Right now PC gamers are playing in 1080p and above with 60FPS.  That's what I play in and no game uses anything like 8GB RAM.  The most RAM heavy game I play is DayZ, the Arma 2 mod, coming in at around 2GB RAM.  Most likely because it is an unoptimised mod for another game.  

 

Crysis 3 in ultra 1080p, uses around 1.5GB RAM.  

 

My GPU, a GTX 580 SC, has 1.5GB DDR5 RAM.  More than enough to cover any game currently at 1080p.  I am on the verge of getting a new GPU and even the medium spec GPU nowadays have 2-3GB DDR5 RAM.  I'm looking at a GTX 680 with 4GB DDR5.  Now that is a pretty decent PC, but that 4GB DDR5 will only be relevant if I have a multi monitor setup and some obscene resolution right now.

 

I see a lot of talk of this 8GB DDR5 RAM on the PS4, firstly the GPU and CPU are far more important features for gaming.  The 8GB is really only for longetivity, it is not going to be used for years, the games coming out on the PS4 will use 1-2GB of it at most for 1080p games (which as has already been stated, will be the stndard for the PS4).

 

So this 8GB DDR5 RAM is actually completely irrelevant and will be for a number of years, until games start actually using all that RAM.  In the meantime it will just sit there doing nothing in the console.  Waiting for the day it becomes relevant.  By that time the PC will be running DDR8 or DDR9, or perhaps something even beyond that whole concept.   

 

TL;DR - In short, by the time the 8GB DDR5 becomes actually useful, the standard gaming PC will be another generation ahead in terms of technology.  It will likely feature more RAM of a more advanced variety.  

 

The PS4's GPU seems to be the equivalent of a medium range gaming PC and the CPU is an open question.  I know playing Planetside 2 right now, my computer is CPU limited in terms of framerate, as opposed to GPU limited.  In large battles my framerate dips to 35-40 FPS, which is borderline unacceptable for me.  Now that is down to the large number of people in a battle, sometimes 500-600 people in a single area battling.  I have a 3770K (4 cores) @ 4.6Ghz.  Will 8 cores @ 1.6Ghz really work?  I don't know.

 

What I'm pleased about with the new consoles is that they are very similar to PC's now, the same architecture, means that dodgy PC ports should be a thing of the past.  I do however think that the latest console specs, whilst providing a big boost initially at least on the previous generation, will leave the consoles further behind the PC than this current generation ultimately.  The last generation of consoles were far closer to a top end PC than this generation will be on release.

 

tormentos

Yup fair enough, depends on your settings, it's possible to use 3.5GB RAM total using extremely high resolutions.  The console next generation standard is going to be 1080p@30 allegedly, at least to begin with.  So my point though obviously still stands.  By the time 8GB DDR5 on the PS4 is being utilised, the PC equivlanet will be a generation ahead.  

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="iamrob7"]

Right now PC gamers are playing in 1080p and above with 60FPS.  That's what I play in and no game uses anything like 8GB RAM.  The most RAM heavy game I play is DayZ, the Arma 2 mod, coming in at around 2GB RAM.  Most likely because it is an unoptimised mod for another game.  

 

Crysis 3 in ultra 1080p, uses around 1.5GB RAM.  

 

My GPU, a GTX 580 SC, has 1.5GB DDR5 RAM.  More than enough to cover any game currently at 1080p.  I am on the verge of getting a new GPU and even the medium spec GPU nowadays have 2-3GB DDR5 RAM.  I'm looking at a GTX 680 with 4GB DDR5.  Now that is a pretty decent PC, but that 4GB DDR5 will only be relevant if I have a multi monitor setup and some obscene resolution right now.

 

I see a lot of talk of this 8GB DDR5 RAM on the PS4, firstly the GPU and CPU are far more important features for gaming.  The 8GB is really only for longetivity, it is not going to be used for years, the games coming out on the PS4 will use 1-2GB of it at most for 1080p games (which as has already been stated, will be the stndard for the PS4).

 

So this 8GB DDR5 RAM is actually completely irrelevant and will be for a number of years, until games start actually using all that RAM.  In the meantime it will just sit there doing nothing in the console.  Waiting for the day it becomes relevant.  By that time the PC will be running DDR8 or DDR9, or perhaps something even beyond that whole concept.   

 

TL;DR - In short, by the time the 8GB DDR5 becomes actually useful, the standard gaming PC will be another generation ahead in terms of technology.  It will likely feature more RAM of a more advanced variety.  

 

The PS4's GPU seems to be the equivalent of a medium range gaming PC and the CPU is an open question.  I know playing Planetside 2 right now, my computer is CPU limited in terms of framerate, as opposed to GPU limited.  In large battles my framerate dips to 35-40 FPS, which is borderline unacceptable for me.  Now that is down to the large number of people in a battle, sometimes 500-600 people in a single area battling.  I have a 3770K (4 cores) @ 4.6Ghz.  Will 8 cores @ 1.6Ghz really work?  I don't know.

 

What I'm pleased about with the new consoles is that they are very similar to PC's now, the same architecture, means that dodgy PC ports should be a thing of the past.  I do however think that the latest console specs, whilst providing a big boost initially at least on the previous generation, will leave the consoles further behind the PC than this current generation ultimately.  The last generation of consoles were far closer to a top end PC than this generation will be on release.

 

iamrob7

Yup fair enough, depends on your settings, it's possible to use 3.5GB RAM total using extremely high resolutions.  The console next generation standard is going to be 1080p@30 allegedly, at least to begin with.  So my point though obviously still stands.  By the time 8GB DDR5 on the PS4 is being utilised, the PC equivlanet will be a generation ahead.  

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="crippledmachine"]

I do believe that PS4 memory is a single pool of storage for everything, including the OS and other processes. I can see why it's so big.

iamrob7

Exactly. Remeber, the PS4 is also doing in-game video recording on a dedicated video encoding chip (to save CPU), so that will suck up a good chunk of that 8 gigs of RAM. 

I imagine that most games will have like 4-5 gigs allocated to them. This is more than enough really. Even Planetside 2 runs with 3ish gigs of RAM total (about 2 gigs for system ram, 1 gig for vRAM).

Where exactly do you make the jump from that to most 1080p@30 console games in the next generation using 4-5 GB of RAM?  When the most extreme case on the PC in a new engine is only requiring 3GB 1080p@60 (or abouts)?  Crysis 3 ultra in 1440p only just goes above 3GB overall usage.  What exactly is going to be going on in "most" console games to be using 4-5GB RAM when they are only running in 1080p@30?

[QUOTE="iamrob7"]

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]You can't have that thread title then call it DDR5. Point is, you don't know sh*t.way2funny

GDDR5 is EXACTLY the same thing as DDR5.  The additional G only identifies whether it is being applied solely to the GPU or not.  

We are talking about game performance, that's what system wars is about correct?  So whether you can use the 8GB for OS and whatever other apps you might want to run on your PS4 and you can't use the GDDR5 on the PC for that is completely irrelevant.  We are talking about game performance.

I'll eagerly anticipate your apology.

No GDDR5 is DDR3 thats customized for graphics workloads.

That's exactly what the PS4 is using.  What you see on GPU's as GDDR5 is being used on the PS4 as system memory.  The DDR5 is situated on the PS4's GPU and integrated as system memory.  It's GDDR5.  There is NO SUCH THING as normal DDR5 memory.  They are calling it DDR5 because it is GDDR5 used system wide.

Please feel free to google it if you don't believe me.

I guess that's two apologies I'll be waiting for now :S

Consoles games will actually be able to use all the 8GB available (8GB -OS and other background tasks).SaltyMeatballs

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="crippledmachine"]

I do believe that PS4 memory is a single pool of storage for everything, including the OS and other processes. I can see why it's so big.

iamrob7

Exactly. Remeber, the PS4 is also doing in-game video recording on a dedicated video encoding chip (to save CPU), so that will suck up a good chunk of that 8 gigs of RAM. 

I imagine that most games will have like 4-5 gigs allocated to them. This is more than enough really. Even Planetside 2 runs with 3ish gigs of RAM total (about 2 gigs for system ram, 1 gig for vRAM).

Planetside 2 is way out there in terms of modern games, it uses far more resources than any game I'm aware of and a large part of that by the developers admission is down to poor optimisation on a new engine.  It actually uses around 0.5-1GB VRAM depending on your settings and between 1-2GB system RAM.  So at absolute worst it is roughly 3GB usage or less depending on your settings.  

Where exactly do you make the jump from that to most 1080p@30 console games in the next generation using 4-5 GB of RAM?  When the most extreme case on the PC in a new engine is only requiring 3GB 1080p@60 (or abouts)?  Crysis 3 ultra in 1440p only just goes above 3GB overall usage.  What exactly is going to be going on in "most" console games to be using 4-5GB RAM when they are only running in 1080p@30?

For the sake of argument, let's pretend a game on the newly released consoles out this year uses 5GB of RAM.  With mid range PC GPU's having 3GB DDR5 6 months before the new console generation comes out and high end GPU's having 4GB+ DDR5, this still provides no real advantage and certainly far less of an advantage than the previous generation of consoles had.  That's on release.  By the time the full 8GB DDR5 is used, the equivalent on the PC will be a generation ahead.     

[QUOTE="crippledmachine"]

I do believe that PS4 memory is a single pool of storage for everything, including the OS and other processes. I can see why it's so big.

DrTrafalgarLaw

*Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah* I see people praising the PS4 for setting industry standards and no one bats an eye at PC....waaaaaaahiamrob7

Your tears and general cluelessness are a constant source of amusement for me.

I don't care whether the 8GB will be useful for running other processes, I'm talking about its relevance for GAMES.  By the time it adds any advantage over current PC setups for gaming, it will be a generation behind the memory inside gaming PC's of the time.

All of the 8 GB GDDR5 isnt Vram its shared for the new recording feature, OS, CPU and last and not least vram.

The unreal ELEMENTAL demo ran on a GTX 680 2gb with 32 GB SYSTEM ram incl. windows.

Lets say a PS4 game uses 2gb as vram then there is only 6gb system ram left for system and thats over 5 times less than the PC unreal ELEMENTAL demo.

Thats not excessive at all it will all be used.