I want another video game crash to happen...? The industry is depressing now.

Not me. I'm having lots of fun still and I've been gaming since the early 80's. I game predominatly on the PC though. I don't deal much with DLC. The only DLC I've dealt with outside of Flight Simulator X is the Exile DLC for Hard Reset and that was free. Otherwise, I've been gaming like I always have. 

I've only been gaming SP. I quit MP once developers dropped LAN support.

Two  threads saying the same old regurgitated stuff posted in the same day. Points for creativity TC.

Like I always say, back in the PS2 days developers could make a game that was aimed at a specific audience.  Maybe it wasn't the biggest audience but that was okay;  development costs were comparatively low and if it sold a few hundred thousand copies they made a nice profit and everybody was happy.  There were a large variety of games and no matter what your tastes, there was plenty to choose from.  Now development costs are much higher, and getting higher yet next gen, so anything that's not projected to sell millions of copies at launch never gets made.  Call of Duty is the worst thing that ever happened to gaming, as every publisher is drooling to get a slice of that sales pie, and all sorts of interesting ideas never see the light of day so yet another utterly generic shooter can get made. 

Can't wait for people to eventually get sick of the online first-person shooter - that has to happen eventually, doesn't it?  It will have a gigantic impact on a lot of these publishers as they've put all their eggs in the shooter basket, and all their employees have been doing nothing but making the same game over and over for so long that they've probably long since forgotten how to make anything else.  And giant corporations are incredibly resistant to change.  All the marketing research in the world can't predict what people will turn to next once they've gotten sick of what's currently available - that requires an attitude of risk-taking and willingness to let the creative people be creative.  But with the marketing departments actually running the show and making all the decisions, that cannot happen.

Two  threads saying the same old regurgitated stuff posted in the same day. Points for creativity TC.

Lucky_Krystal

Having been an avid gamer for 35 years and having gone through the crash I would say this is not something I would want to see happen again. Personally I'm enjoying gaming more now then I ever have.Archangel3371

[QUOTE="Archangel3371"]Having been an avid gamer for 35 years and having gone through the crash I would say this is not something I would want to see happen again. Personally I'm enjoying gaming more now then I ever have.YosemiteSam400

I don't want a crash to happen -- I've already lived through one and it was NOT pretty. 

However, I've also become convinced that we are closer to one than we've ever been since the last. The decisions of Sony and Microsoft hurt the industry immeasurably by allowing the Wii to become the industry leader, and they then compounded the error by insisting the generation go on longer than any before it -- a foolish idea even under a healthy market. I don't believe Nintendo holds any sway in what will happen over the next six years or so, because they've been exposed as dangerous charlatans peddling snake oil in lieu of proven concepts, but what the other two companies do most definitely will determine if there is a crash or not. It is time to go back to the basics -- solid pricing, noticeable hardware improvements, reasonable market lengths, ease of development, and eventually a market leader that the industry coalesces around so it can become healthy again. 

If that pattern doesn't reassert itself after the last eight years of madness, then I fear the industry is fvcked.

I don't want a crash to happen -- I've already lived through one and it was NOT pretty. 

However, I've also become convinced that we are closer to one than we've ever been since the last. The decisions of Sony and Microsoft hurt the industry immeasurably by allowing the Wii to become the industry leader, and they then compounded the error by insisting the generation go on longer than any before it -- a foolish idea even under a healthy market. I don't believe Nintendo holds any sway in what will happen over the next six years or so, because they've been exposed as dangerous charletains peddling snake oil in lieu of proven concepts, but what the other two companies do most definitely will determine if there is a crash or not. It is time to go back to the basics -- solid pricing, noticeable hardware improvements, reasonable market lengths, ease of development, and eventually a market leader that the industry coalesces around so it can become healthy again. 

If that pattern doesn't reassert itself after the last eight years of madness, then I fear the industry is fvcked.

Shame-usBlackley

A crash can kill the industry. Seems kind of silly for a gamer to say that. The key is buying the good games that interest you and ignoring the rest.Godly_Cure

[QUOTE="YosemiteSam400"][QUOTE="Archangel3371"]Having been an avid gamer for 35 years and having gone through the crash I would say this is not something I would want to see happen again. Personally I'm enjoying gaming more now then I ever have.Archangel3371

[QUOTE="Godly_Cure"]A crash can kill the industry. Seems kind of silly for a gamer to say that. The key is buying the good games that interest you and ignoring the rest.YosemiteSam400

And have a bunch of people lose their jobs? I would never want that to happen. :?

And have a bunch of people lose their jobs? I would never want that to happen. :?

DJ-Lafleur

[QUOTE="YosemiteSam400"][QUOTE="Godly_Cure"]A crash can kill the industry. Seems kind of silly for a gamer to say that. The key is buying the good games that interest you and ignoring the rest.Godly_Cure

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]

I don't want a crash to happen -- I've already lived through one and it was NOT pretty. 

However, I've also become convinced that we are closer to one than we've ever been since the last. The decisions of Sony and Microsoft hurt the industry immeasurably by allowing the Wii to become the industry leader, and they then compounded the error by insisting the generation go on longer than any before it -- a foolish idea even under a healthy market. I don't believe Nintendo holds any sway in what will happen over the next six years or so, because they've been exposed as dangerous charletains peddling snake oil in lieu of proven concepts, but what the other two companies do most definitely will determine if there is a crash or not. It is time to go back to the basics -- solid pricing, noticeable hardware improvements, reasonable market lengths, ease of development, and eventually a market leader that the industry coalesces around so it can become healthy again. 

If that pattern doesn't reassert itself after the last eight years of madness, then I fear the industry is fvcked.

YosemiteSam400

Yes, many people have become blinded by their love of the hobby and cannot see through the lens of the consumer anymore. No better proof of that is the season pass, where people pay one third of the cost of a retail game for unnannounced content. I understand people wanting to see more content in a game they love, but anyone who buys anything sight unseen is a sucker. And that's sad, because I think these fans really think they're appreciated by these companies as something beyond being a money sponge. It's all business, all money. Can't blame the companies for milking a sucker. In marketing, they refer to those as "Cash Cows."

And have a bunch of people lose their jobs? I would never want that to happen. :?

DJ-Lafleur

I don't consider that a factor at all. It's not my job to look out for the well-being of developers and publishers. It's their job to make a product I want to buy. If they don't? Too bad, have fun in the unemployment line. I am in it for me and me only. I don't owe these companies jack shlt.

[QUOTE="Godly_Cure"][QUOTE="YosemiteSam400"] Apparently, you didn't comprehend the part where I said that the crash is the only way these companies will learn about the ridiculous business practices that they do. If you believe otherwise then I highly suggest you have your head examined, friend.YosemiteSam400

[QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]

And have a bunch of people lose their jobs? I would never want that to happen. :?

Shame-usBlackley

I don't consider that a factor at all. It's not my job to look out for the well-being of developers and publishers. It's their job to make a product I want to buy. If they don't? Too bad, have fun in the unemployment line. I am in it for me and me only. I don't owe these companies jack shlt.

[QUOTE="YosemiteSam400"][QUOTE="Godly_Cure"] Apparently you didn't comprehend the part where companies go bankrupt and don't recover.Godly_Cure

[QUOTE="Godly_Cure"]

[QUOTE="YosemiteSam400"]. Other companies will take their place. Possibly better ones at that, friend.YosemiteSam400

I only buy legitimate DLC that actually adds to the game like Grand Theft Auto 4, Fallout New Vegas, or Rock Band. I don't go anywhere near microtransactions in $60 games or Day 1 DLC, and buy quality games games like the Forza series.

Anyone who wants an industry crash needs a reality check. The consequences of such a thing would be devestating.

I only buy legitimate DLC that actually adds to the game like Grand Theft Auto 4, Fallout New Vegas, or Rock Band. I don't go anywhere near microtransactions in $60 games or Day 1 DLC, and buy quality games games like the Forza series.

Anyone who wants an industry crash needs a reality check. The consequences of such a thing would be devestating.

speedfreak48t5p

[QUOTE="speedfreak48t5p"]

I only buy legitimate DLC that actually adds to the game like Grand Theft Auto 4, Fallout New Vegas, or Rock Band. I don't go anywhere near microtransactions in $60 games or Day 1 DLC, and buy quality games games like the Forza series.

Anyone who wants an industry crash needs a reality check. The consequences of such a thing would be devestating.

YosemiteSam400

[QUOTE="YosemiteSam400"][QUOTE="speedfreak48t5p"]

I only buy legitimate DLC that actually adds to the game like Grand Theft Auto 4, Fallout New Vegas, or Rock Band. I don't go anywhere near microtransactions in $60 games or Day 1 DLC, and buy quality games games like the Forza series.

Anyone who wants an industry crash needs a reality check. The consequences of such a thing would be devestating.

Godly_Cure

I absolutely love the naivety of people who claim businesses that exist to make profits are "greedy."

Is that opposed to companies that exist to NOT make any money at all or take enough losses to put themselves out of business as soon as they've started?

It's nothing but a sad sense of entitlement that deludes people into thinking companies should just give their stuff away for free just "because" ...

You don't like something, don't buy it. Whining about it and insulting people that don't agree with your "opinion" isn't going to change a thing, in reality.

Also adding "friend" to the end of all of your sentences doesn't null everything that came before it. Insulting someone and adding friend to it just makes you come across as a douche, friend.

I absolutely love the naivety of people who claim businesses that exist to make profits are "greedy."

Is that opposed to companies that exist to NOT make any money at all or take enough losses to put themselves out of business as soon as they've started?

It's nothing but a sad sense of entitlement that deludes people into thinking companies should just give their stuff away for free just "because" ...

You don't like something, don't buy it. Whining about it and insulting people that don't agree with your "opinion" isn't going to change a thing, in reality.

Also adding "friend" to the end of all of your sentences doesn't null everything that came before it. Insulting someone and adding friend to it just makes you come across as a douche, friend.

Phantom_Leo

[QUOTE="YosemiteSam400"][QUOTE="Godly_Cure"]Newsflash developers/publishers put out the product that skews to the consumers interests. If no one buys the products or not very many so that the social networking etc isn't what the consumers want then they won't go that way. Thus far they seem to think it's what people want. We'll see when they launch.Godly_Cure

Who else is getting the impression that this is a formerly banned and obviously bitter troll who created a new profile just to post something inflammatory, just for the opportunity to insult people?

You really seem to try too hard, friend.

[QUOTE="YosemiteSam400"][QUOTE="Godly_Cure"]No I don't. It seems to me you want to dictate for others.Godly_Cure

Who else is getting the impression that this is a formerly banned and obviously bitter troll who created a new profile just to post something inflammatory, just for the opportunity to insult people?

You really seem to try too hard, friend.

Phantom_Leo

:lol:

I love topics like this!

Wah! The game industry isn't going exactly as I say it should!

Wah! Everyone should lose their jobs because they don't make games that I like to play anymore!

For someone who claims to have been playing games for 30 years, you certainly have a entitled teenager view of reality.

Who else is getting the impression that this is a formerly banned and obviously bitter troll who created a new profile just to post something inflammatory, just for the opportunity to insult people?

You really seem to try too hard, friend.

Phantom_Leo

:lol:

I love topics like this!

Wah! The game industry isn't going exactly as I say it should!

Wah! Everyone should lose their jobs because they don't make games that I like to play anymore!

For someone who claims to have been playing games for 30 years, you certainly have a entitled teenager view of reality.

Phantom_Leo

[QUOTE="YosemiteSam400"][QUOTE="Archangel3371"]:lol: Such a hypocrite you are. You start off by saying that this is just your opinion and for people to go easy on you but as soon as someone shares a differing opinion you proceed to crap all over them. I buy what I want to buy which may or may not be of worth to you but I don't care. There's only one person that needs to be satisfied with the purchases that I make and that person is ... me. There's your "news flash" bub.Archangel3371

:lol:

Difference of opinion = "You're stupid."

:lol:

Uh-oh, Archie! I fear you've just been "Pwned" by a teen-ager!

:lol:

[QUOTE="YosemiteSam400"][QUOTE="Godly_Cure"]I doubt that seriously. You post like a young teen.Godly_Cure