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What's so special about Valve's games?
- Oct 8, 2012 10:35 am GMT
For the life of me, I'll never know why people praise Valve's games so much. I've tried Portal 2, I've tried Half Life, I've tried DOTA, I've tried TF2, Counter Strike, etc. and even though some ideas in those games are neat, I don't understand why they are praised so much. They're nothing special! What's so great about Half Life? Everybody calls it the best FPS of all time and praise it to heavens, but I just don't see why.
Valve is a great company, don't get me wrong, and they're really good at keeping positive relations with their customers, but I don't see why they are known as one of the best developers of all time. They are nowhere near as good as Rockstar, I've even enjoyed Naughty Dog's Uncharted games more than I have Valve's games. Valve's games also don't seem nearly as polished as other games, they're just way too plain and similar. If a game is built using the source engine, usually you can tell.
So, what're your thoughts on Valve's games? Are they all they're hyped up to be?
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- Oct 8, 2012 10:37 am GMT
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The level design and atmosphere is usually amazing. The actual gunplay in games like Half Life I find to be pretty standard tho.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Oct 8, 2012 10:38 am GMTwhoDat_whoDat wrote:thats why they dont need the memory PS3 has a little something something called Blu-Ray. and its 25 times the size of a petty 2gb SD RAMEngrish_Major wrote:No, like I stated before, the memory limitations alone on consoles can't hold enough textures to be able to replicate Crysis 1.They're cool.
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- Oct 8, 2012 10:41 am GMT
They are over hyped. Only good Valve games are Half Life and Portal, and while those are definitely good, they are not the end all be all of their genres.
All other Valve games are just jokes as far as I'm concerned, Team Fortress is one of the most lackluster games ever made, Left 4 Dead is average at best, it's fun with friends for a while but there is little variety in it's gameplay and it's too short, same chapters over and over again.
Valve did make Steam though, but beyond that I do find them to be very overrated. They are also one of the slowest devs, it took them like 15 freaking years just to make Half Life 2.
The fanboys will try to burn you at the stake, so go find cover!
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- Oct 8, 2012 10:44 am GMTI found Uncharted 2 gameplay to be repetitive and dull as dishwater, each to their own *shrug*
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- Oct 8, 2012 10:44 am GMT
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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]They are over hyped. Only good Valve games are Half Life and Portal, and while those are definitely good, they are not the end all be all of their genres.
All other Valve games are just jokes as far as I'm concerned, Team Fortress is one of the most lackluster games ever made, Left 4 Dead is average at best, it's fun with friends for a while but there is little variety in it's gameplay and it's too short, same chapters over and over again.
Valve did make Steam though, but beyond that I do find them to be very overrated. They are also one of the slowest devs, it took them like 15 freaking years just to make Half Life 2.
The fanboys will try to burn you at the stake, so go find cover!
[/QUOTE] Valve was founded in 1996, released Half Life in 1998, and released Half Life 2 in 2004. DId the voices in your head give you the figure of 15 years?- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Oct 8, 2012 10:44 am GMT
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
They are over hyped. Only good Valve games are Half Life and Portal
[/QUOTE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhkNLHictW8
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- Oct 8, 2012 10:46 am GMTAre you mad, Shadowmoses never has his "facts" wrong about anythinglocopatho wrote:Valve was founded in 1996, released Half Life in 1998, and released Half Life 2 in 2004. DId the voices in your head give you the figure of 15 years?ShadowMoses900 wrote:
They are over hyped. Only good Valve games are Half Life and Portal, and while those are definitely good, they are not the end all be all of their genres.
All other Valve games are just jokes as far as I'm concerned, Team Fortress is one of the most lackluster games ever made, Left 4 Dead is average at best, it's fun with friends for a while but there is little variety in it's gameplay and it's too short, same chapters over and over again.
Valve did make Steam though, but beyond that I do find them to be very overrated. They are also one of the slowest devs, it took them like 15 freaking years just to make Half Life 2.
The fanboys will try to burn you at the stake, so go find cover!
(OT lol shout out!)Edited on Oct 8, 2012 10:46 am GMT[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
They are over hyped. Only good Valve games are Half Life and Portal, and while those are definitely good, they are not the end all be all of their genres.
All other Valve games are just jokes as far as I'm concerned, Team Fortress is one of the most lackluster games ever made, Left 4 Dead is average at best, it's fun with friends for a while but there is little variety in it's gameplay and it's too short, same chapters over and over again.
Valve did make Steam though, but beyond that I do find them to be very overrated. They are also one of the slowest devs, it took them like 15 freaking years just to make Half Life 2.
The fanboys will try to burn you at the stake, so go find cover!
[/QUOTE] Valve was founded in 1996, released Half Life in 1998, and released Half Life 2 in 2004. DId the voices in your head give you the figure of 15 years?[/QUOTE] Are you mad, Shadowmoses never has his "facts" wrong about anything :lol: (OT lol shout out!)
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- Oct 8, 2012 10:51 am GMT
Rockstar is on the same level but has been slipping lately, RDR, Max Payne 3 and LA Snore being the biggest offenders and ND really isn't that good, uncharted relies on the michael bay effect to be good and the constant amount of set pieces in Uncharted 3 killed it for me.
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- It's probably because the games are focused on gameplay and atmosphere. The story is driven through character interaction and not cinematic cutscenes.
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- Oct 8, 2012 10:51 am GMTI remember him saying PS3 is more powerful than a modern PC....blue_hazy_basic wrote:Are you mad, Shadowmoses never has his "facts" wrong about anythinglocopatho wrote:Valve was founded in 1996, released Half Life in 1998, and released Half Life 2 in 2004. DId the voices in your head give you the figure of 15 years?ShadowMoses900 wrote:
They are over hyped. Only good Valve games are Half Life and Portal, and while those are definitely good, they are not the end all be all of their genres.
All other Valve games are just jokes as far as I'm concerned, Team Fortress is one of the most lackluster games ever made, Left 4 Dead is average at best, it's fun with friends for a while but there is little variety in it's gameplay and it's too short, same chapters over and over again.
Valve did make Steam though, but beyond that I do find them to be very overrated. They are also one of the slowest devs, it took them like 15 freaking years just to make Half Life 2.
The fanboys will try to burn you at the stake, so go find cover!
(OT lol shout out!)[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]
[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
They are over hyped. Only good Valve games are Half Life and Portal, and while those are definitely good, they are not the end all be all of their genres.
All other Valve games are just jokes as far as I'm concerned, Team Fortress is one of the most lackluster games ever made, Left 4 Dead is average at best, it's fun with friends for a while but there is little variety in it's gameplay and it's too short, same chapters over and over again.
Valve did make Steam though, but beyond that I do find them to be very overrated. They are also one of the slowest devs, it took them like 15 freaking years just to make Half Life 2.
The fanboys will try to burn you at the stake, so go find cover!
[/QUOTE] Valve was founded in 1996, released Half Life in 1998, and released Half Life 2 in 2004. DId the voices in your head give you the figure of 15 years?[/QUOTE] Are you mad, Shadowmoses never has his "facts" wrong about anything :lol: (OT lol shout out!)
[/QUOTE]I remember him saying PS3 is more powerful than a modern PC....
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- Oct 8, 2012 10:53 am GMT
No other shooter has had me completely immersed in its atmosphere and
sucked in by the story like Half Life and to a much lesser extent Killzone. Half Life has no equal, Valve showed all other devs how to make a good first person shooter, all modern fps games borrow concepts from this 1999 shooter, go figure how ass kicking good it is in reality, despite your own indifference.
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- Oct 8, 2012 10:54 am GMT
[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]It's probably because the games are focused on gameplay and atmosphere. The story is driven through character interaction and not cinematic cutscenes.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but that's just it. The gameplay is just nothing special to me. I'll admit that they do a really good job with the atmosphere, but other than that I just can't see why people like their games so much.
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- Oct 8, 2012 10:54 am GMT
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As a Valve fan, I can see what you are getting at, but you must appreciate how innovative the games were at release. Half-Life was a gamechanger, especially in how it blended a coherent narrative (as sparse as it was) into the gameplay. During that era, most FPS games were brainless shoot-em-ups without any stories.
Portal and Portal 2 featured some of the wittiest writing I have ever witnessed in a video game.
Left 4 Dead was that sort of dynamic co-op game that never got old, unlike some other co-op games.
Furthermore, Valve has done a very good job at supporting their games, which, in turn, generates immense goodwill from the gamers who play them. Even if a game they release is fundamentally underwhelming (CSGO was merely a reskin of CS), we all give Valve a pass because they are so good at giving what the gamer wants in terms of support.
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- Valve, as far as I am concerned, is more about Steam than the actual games it develops. Well, that, and Portal. Portal is brilliant. You mentioned Rockstar though, and that I take issue with. They have not developed a single great game this gen. GTA4, Red Dead Redemption, LA Noire, Max Payne 3... all good games, but that's all they are, good. Nothing special, nothing great. Naughty Dog? One incredible game this gen, one that was great, and one that is widely held to be a disappointment overall.
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- Oct 8, 2012 10:56 am GMT
they have two top 5 fps games as franchises....counter strike and half life (so people say. i never actually played hl...and briefly played hl2 which i got bored of)
portal is actually quite good
left 4 dead is the best zombie shooter out there fuk nazi zombies)
if only these guys released more games....
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- Oct 8, 2012 10:56 am GMTTopTierHustler wrote:I remember him saying PS3 is more powerful than a modern PC....blue_hazy_basic wrote:Are you mad, Shadowmoses never has his "facts" wrong about anythinglocopatho wrote:Valve was founded in 1996, released Half Life in 1998, and released Half Life 2 in 2004. DId the voices in your head give you the figure of 15 years? (OT lol shout out!)
Every hardcore PS3 fanboy says that
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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]
[QUOTE="locopatho"] Valve was founded in 1996, released Half Life in 1998, and released Half Life 2 in 2004. DId the voices in your head give you the figure of 15 years?[/QUOTE] Are you mad, Shadowmoses never has his "facts" wrong about anything :lol: (OT lol shout out!)
[/QUOTE]I remember him saying PS3 is more powerful than a modern PC....
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Every hardcore PS3 fanboy says that :P.
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- Oct 8, 2012 10:58 am GMTcharizard1605 wrote:Valve, as far as I am concerned, is more about Steam than the actual games it develops. Well, that, and Portal. Portal is brilliant.
You mentioned Rockstar though, and that I take issue with. They have not developed a single great game this gen. GTA4, Red Dead Redemption, LA Noire, Max Payne 3... all good games, but that's all they are, good. Nothing special, nothing great.
Naughty Dog? One incredible game this gen, one that was great, and one that is widely held to be a disappointment overall.
Red Dead Redemption is a very special game
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Valve, as far as I am concerned, is more about Steam than the actual games it develops. Well, that, and Portal. Portal is brilliant. You mentioned Rockstar though, and that I take issue with. They have not developed a single great game this gen. GTA4, Red Dead Redemption, LA Noire, Max Payne 3... all good games, but that's all they are, good. Nothing special, nothing great. Naughty Dog? One incredible game this gen, one that was great, and one that is widely held to be a disappointment overall.[/QUOTE] Red Dead Redemption is a very special game :)- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Oct 8, 2012 10:59 am GMTlocopatho wrote:charizard1605 wrote:Valve, as far as I am concerned, is more about Steam than the actual games it develops. Well, that, and Portal. Portal is brilliant.
You mentioned Rockstar though, and that I take issue with. They have not developed a single great game this gen. GTA4, Red Dead Redemption, LA Noire, Max Payne 3... all good games, but that's all they are, good. Nothing special, nothing great.
Naughty Dog? One incredible game this gen, one that was great, and one that is widely held to be a disappointment overall.
Red Dead Redemption is a very special game
Not particularly. It's not even among the top three games released that year.[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="charizard1605"]Valve, as far as I am concerned, is more about Steam than the actual games it develops. Well, that, and Portal. Portal is brilliant. You mentioned Rockstar though, and that I take issue with. They have not developed a single great game this gen. GTA4, Red Dead Redemption, LA Noire, Max Payne 3... all good games, but that's all they are, good. Nothing special, nothing great. Naughty Dog? One incredible game this gen, one that was great, and one that is widely held to be a disappointment overall.[/QUOTE] Red Dead Redemption is a very special game :)[/QUOTE] Not particularly. It's not even among the top three games released that year.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Oct 8, 2012 11:00 am GMTValve are very good at brainwashing people, they also pay of review sites and steal over developers ideas, Portal for example, they are worste then EA and Capcom.
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