[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]
I disagree about Red Dead Redemption. The game was great, phenomenal actually. If you had me name the top games of this gen it would be the first game I would bring up, every time.
As for Valve, the only game they've made that I've found good was Portal 2. And that was mostly because of the completely unique mechanic of portals, as well as having some clever writing for the game's script. Valve's other games have been average at best.
At this point I'd actually be surprised if they release Half-Life 3. If the game is actually in development it has taken so long that there is no way the game will be able to live up to the hype.
I like Steam, but Valve's games are generally lackluster.
charizard1605
Red Dead Redemption, I do disagree. I never understood why people like it as much as they do, but let's just go with it for a moment. That's still one great game, that's it. All of their other games have generally been disappointments.I agree with you on Valve. I generally find their games fun enough, except for Portal, which I think is pure genius. Like you, I too believe they're more about Steam at this point than anything else. And like you, I too believe that Half Life 3, if/when it is ever released, will be a massive disappointment.
All of Rockstar's games have been above AAA status, none of them were disappointing, and GTA 4 even got AAAA scores all across the board. I actually think Red Dead Redemption is a very special game. The gameplay is great, the world is enormous, the atmosphere is perfect, the story is good, and the game is beautiful. Rockstar has never made a game that I didn't like, from GTA 4 to RDR to Max Payne to Bully, I've loved em all and they all felt unique. The same cannot be said for every developer out there, so for that reason I believe Rockstar is one of the best.
I also didn't say that Naughty Dog was a better developer than Valve, I said that I enjoyed their Uncharted games more than Valve's games. Even Portal. I enjoy portal and I love how it's a puzzle game that requires some level of thinking, and the writingwas good, but there was nothing keeping me going. The whole thing was just level after level after level, and the occasional narrative level here and there. Uncharted was just more enjoyable to me overall, I enjoyed the experience.
XVision84
I can understand that. I think the thing with Valve's games is that they are all pure gameplay. Like, sure, there may or may not be a story there, but it is never the point, the point of the game is always the gameplay mechanic that they are made around, the gimmick if you will. In that regard, they are a lot like Nintendo. They even seem to have some of that charm that Nintendo games usually have.Red Dead Redemption is a game that I seem to disagree with everyone on. Yes, it was a great game, but I was never bowled over by it like everyone else so obviously was. I have no idea why people find it so good. It's baffling.
As for the scores Rockstar games have gotten, that's not what I was commenting on. They might all be consistently above 9, that doesn't mean the games were any good. LA Noire, for example, was just awful once the gimmick wore off. In general, Rockstar hasn't been as good this generation as they were last gen. Although they did at the very least expand beyond just GTA.
Yeah, that's understandable. It's just that from the way people praised Valve, I thought there was a lot more to it than that. But I'll take people's word for it when they say Half Life was a game changer at the time. No game is for everybody, you feel the same way about RDR as I do about Valve's games.
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