WORST FF Lead Character!?!
Okey, back to topic guys:)
I stick with my Tidus:)
[QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="DRUNK_CANADIAN"][QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="DRUNK_CANADIAN"]He had a rock steady personality as a generally nice guy that shows concern for those that he loves and was a bit of a playerZidanes personality was changing faster than my weapons for him, and he was irratical in the gameplay as he possesed no real personality, he was kinda your I am teh best **** u all kind of personalities as well,
He also had the gayest character design known to mankind
He also made Vaan look normal....Zidane also lacked leadership qualities...being he was autocratic, and he seemed to be more of a childish character...with no serious portion to him....hell Super Mario Characters take the story more serious than Zidane
There are flip tiems when Zidane is emo though, liek his whole battle thing "i am not alone" is playing it the background....ohh hell do I really need to continue?
DRUNK_CANADIAN
Tidus and Squall look much, much gayer than Zidane ever did
Vaan doesn't look as bad as people say he did/
He did not lack leadership qualities. He knew how to take charge, and knew how to get things done. He was the least childish character since FFVI. He was, however, more realistic because he wasn't constantly serious. He could take life seriously, but he could also be laid back and relaxed or joke arround.
Zidane was never emo. He had a strong spirit and a strong will something that characters like Tidus and Cloud lack
Your arguement is stupid, you say he is the least childish and than turn around and say he wasnt constantly serious and was an "out there" kind of character, more realistic...and no offense but his laid back moments were not properly placed...also Zidane was by far the gayest looking, I am sorry how can you justify the gay vest, the tail (ya i know you can justify the tail as part of the story) and the emo look he had on the cover of the bloody game case (backing), I am sorry he looks lke a douche, the crappy graphics in the game actually made him loook better, he wore those dumb ass gloves, like he was gardening or somthing, Zidanes personality is arguably real but than again Squalls, Clouds, Tidus and any other FF character...even Vaan are arguable real aswell, plus Zidane was not your caring individual..hell Tidus was probably one of the most caring..not saying hes great lol, thus also proving that your arguement is BS, you have constantly stated your anti-FFVII, FVIII, FX opinions over and over,,,,you just keep trolling and frankly it should come to an end for the good of the union, because I can just as easily troll FFXI to death...and if you continue so will I
My arguement is not stupid. I based it off of what the game presents as his personality. He is a fantastic and well rounded characters, where as the 2 that came before him weren'tZidane didn't look gay or emo. I don't even know where you are getting that. It makes no sense
FFIX had the best graphics of the PSX FF games dude
Imagine a thief wearing gloves *rolls eyes*
Cloud had no personality. That isn't real. Squall had no personality. That's not real. Tidus whines too much to be real. You cannot argue about them being real. Vaan, on the other hand, could have an arguement in his favor
Zidane was very caring dude. His biggest concern in his life were his friends. I do not know what game you played, but it was not FFIX
All Tidus cared about was himself and how he had been treated in the past.
I just proved your arguement BS dude, You proved nothing.
I am not anti FFX dude. I liked the game. I liked the story. I liked Yuna, Wakka, Kihmari and Auron. The battle system was kind of fun for a while as well. I liked the sphere grid. It was a good character developement system
go log out of life lolz :P
The game was BS and garbage...the graphics i never argued the level wasnt good, for the PSone but hte type of "kiddy" or "midget" characters is BS
Additionally the majority will agree with me that FFVII is WAY better than FFIX so therefore I have statistical support, unlike you who have nothing (FFVIII on the other hand cannot be weighed aganst FFIX)
Squall had a personality, more than Zidane ever had, he was the loner style of character, you can argue that he wasa stupid character, but to argue that its not realistic is just plain bull****
I played FFIX and hate the game with a passion
AND the gloves r gay dumbass, they look like gardening gloves, almost all the characters in lead roles are wearing gloves...but ohh I am sry, your 2 busy flaming to play any of gthe games thoroughly
...freaking FFIX fanboy
Statistics prove nothing. Just as an example, millions of people love Nirvana, but if you ask most people with a real appreciation for real talent in the music, Nirvana isn't worth a damn (And I agree with this., Nirvana is not worth a damn). Just because it is the most popular, it does not mean that it is the best. There are many, many reasons to dislike FFVII, and many RPG hardcore gamers do not like it because of any number of the previously mentioned reasons. If I want a good, honest opinion on role playing games, I will not ask a hardcore FFVII fanboy/girl. I will ask an RPG hardcore. Hell, alot of hte FFVII fanbase don't even know what else is out there, so how can said opinion count when one has no knowledge of that one speaks? I believe IX to be better than VII. Many people I know agree with me. The fact that there are millions of fanboys blind to other RPGs that disagree with me does not make me wrong
All Squall ever did was say "whatever" which did not give him any personality. Zidane, on the other hand, was very lively throughout the whole of the story, which gave him personality. Advantage: Zidane
So you went from "Not my favorite" to "I hate it" just because I disagree with you. Pathetic reason dude. FFIX is a great game with a great story and some great characters. IT is everything FF should be
Don't call me a dumbass, dumbass. Why would a thief be picky about what type of gloves he or she wears? It does not matter. Grab some leather gloves or whatever. As long as they serve their purpose
It appears to me that you are the one that has not played the games thoroughly.
I am far removed from a FFIX fanboy
[QUOTE="FinalHorror"][QUOTE="DRUNK_CANADIAN"][QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="DRUNK_CANADIAN"][QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="DRUNK_CANADIAN"]He had a rock steady personality as a generally nice guy that shows concern for those that he loves and was a bit of a playerZidanes personality was changing faster than my weapons for him, and he was irratical in the gameplay as he possesed no real personality, he was kinda your I am teh best **** u all kind of personalities as well,
He also had the gayest character design known to mankind
He also made Vaan look normal....Zidane also lacked leadership qualities...being he was autocratic, and he seemed to be more of a childish character...with no serious portion to him....hell Super Mario Characters take the story more serious than Zidane
There are flip tiems when Zidane is emo though, liek his whole battle thing "i am not alone" is playing it the background....ohh hell do I really need to continue?
DRUNK_CANADIAN
Tidus and Squall look much, much gayer than Zidane ever did
Vaan doesn't look as bad as people say he did/
He did not lack leadership qualities. He knew how to take charge, and knew how to get things done. He was the least childish character since FFVI. He was, however, more realistic because he wasn't constantly serious. He could take life seriously, but he could also be laid back and relaxed or joke arround.
Zidane was never emo. He had a strong spirit and a strong will something that characters like Tidus and Cloud lack
Your arguement is stupid, you say he is the least childish and than turn around and say he wasnt constantly serious and was an "out there" kind of character, more realistic...and no offense but his laid back moments were not properly placed...also Zidane was by far the gayest looking, I am sorry how can you justify the gay vest, the tail (ya i know you can justify the tail as part of the story) and the emo look he had on the cover of the bloody game case (backing), I am sorry he looks lke a douche, the crappy graphics in the game actually made him loook better, he wore those dumb ass gloves, like he was gardening or somthing, Zidanes personality is arguably real but than again Squalls, Clouds, Tidus and any other FF character...even Vaan are arguable real aswell, plus Zidane was not your caring individual..hell Tidus was probably one of the most caring..not saying hes great lol, thus also proving that your arguement is BS, you have constantly stated your anti-FFVII, FVIII, FX opinions over and over,,,,you just keep trolling and frankly it should come to an end for the good of the union, because I can just as easily troll FFXI to death...and if you continue so will I
My arguement is not stupid. I based it off of what the game presents as his personality. He is a fantastic and well rounded characters, where as the 2 that came before him weren'tZidane didn't look gay or emo. I don't even know where you are getting that. It makes no sense
FFIX had the best graphics of the PSX FF games dude
Imagine a thief wearing gloves *rolls eyes*
Cloud had no personality. That isn't real. Squall had no personality. That's not real. Tidus whines too much to be real. You cannot argue about them being real. Vaan, on the other hand, could have an arguement in his favor
Zidane was very caring dude. His biggest concern in his life were his friends. I do not know what game you played, but it was not FFIX
All Tidus cared about was himself and how he had been treated in the past.
I just proved your arguement BS dude, You proved nothing.
I am not anti FFX dude. I liked the game. I liked the story. I liked Yuna, Wakka, Kihmari and Auron. The battle system was kind of fun for a while as well. I liked the sphere grid. It was a good character developement system
go log out of life lolz :P
The game was BS and garbage...the graphics i never argued the level wasnt good, for the PSone but hte type of "kiddy" or "midget" characters is BS
Additionally the majority will agree with me that FFVII is WAY better than FFIX so therefore I have statistical support, unlike you who have nothing (FFVIII on the other hand cannot be weighed aganst FFIX)
Squall had a personality, more than Zidane ever had, he was the loner style of character, you can argue that he wasa stupid character, but to argue that its not realistic is just plain bull****
I played FFIX and hate the game with a passion
AND the gloves r gay dumbass, they look like gardening gloves, almost all the characters in lead roles are wearing gloves...but ohh I am sry, your 2 busy flaming to play any of gthe games thoroughly
...freaking FFIX fanboy
Freaking FFIX hater:evil:
But people we do not acpept this kind of behaviour so i will ask you to stop before i delete all the posts in you two guys fight about this...Tell who you think but do not flame eachother okey!?
but I was just feeding the troll!!!
....he was hungry LOLZ
[QUOTE="DRUNK_CANADIAN"][QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="DRUNK_CANADIAN"][QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="DRUNK_CANADIAN"]He had a rock steady personality as a generally nice guy that shows concern for those that he loves and was a bit of a playerZidanes personality was changing faster than my weapons for him, and he was irratical in the gameplay as he possesed no real personality, he was kinda your I am teh best **** u all kind of personalities as well,
He also had the gayest character design known to mankind
He also made Vaan look normal....Zidane also lacked leadership qualities...being he was autocratic, and he seemed to be more of a childish character...with no serious portion to him....hell Super Mario Characters take the story more serious than Zidane
There are flip tiems when Zidane is emo though, liek his whole battle thing "i am not alone" is playing it the background....ohh hell do I really need to continue?
fs_metal
Tidus and Squall look much, much gayer than Zidane ever did
Vaan doesn't look as bad as people say he did/
He did not lack leadership qualities. He knew how to take charge, and knew how to get things done. He was the least childish character since FFVI. He was, however, more realistic because he wasn't constantly serious. He could take life seriously, but he could also be laid back and relaxed or joke arround.
Zidane was never emo. He had a strong spirit and a strong will something that characters like Tidus and Cloud lack
Your arguement is stupid, you say he is the least childish and than turn around and say he wasnt constantly serious and was an "out there" kind of character, more realistic...and no offense but his laid back moments were not properly placed...also Zidane was by far the gayest looking, I am sorry how can you justify the gay vest, the tail (ya i know you can justify the tail as part of the story) and the emo look he had on the cover of the bloody game case (backing), I am sorry he looks lke a douche, the crappy graphics in the game actually made him loook better, he wore those dumb ass gloves, like he was gardening or somthing, Zidanes personality is arguably real but than again Squalls, Clouds, Tidus and any other FF character...even Vaan are arguable real aswell, plus Zidane was not your caring individual..hell Tidus was probably one of the most caring..not saying hes great lol, thus also proving that your arguement is BS, you have constantly stated your anti-FFVII, FVIII, FX opinions over and over,,,,you just keep trolling and frankly it should come to an end for the good of the union, because I can just as easily troll FFXI to death...and if you continue so will I
My arguement is not stupid. I based it off of what the game presents as his personality. He is a fantastic and well rounded characters, where as the 2 that came before him weren'tZidane didn't look gay or emo. I don't even know where you are getting that. It makes no sense
FFIX had the best graphics of the PSX FF games dude
Imagine a thief wearing gloves *rolls eyes*
Cloud had no personality. That isn't real. Squall had no personality. That's not real. Tidus whines too much to be real. You cannot argue about them being real. Vaan, on the other hand, could have an arguement in his favor
Zidane was very caring dude. His biggest concern in his life were his friends. I do not know what game you played, but it was not FFIX
All Tidus cared about was himself and how he had been treated in the past.
I just proved your arguement BS dude, You proved nothing.
I am not anti FFX dude. I liked the game. I liked the story. I liked Yuna, Wakka, Kihmari and Auron. The battle system was kind of fun for a while as well. I liked the sphere grid. It was a good character developement system
go log out of life lolz :P
The game was BS and garbage...the graphics i never argued the level wasnt good, for the PSone but hte type of "kiddy" or "midget" characters is BS
Additionally the majority will agree with me that FFVII is WAY better than FFIX so therefore I have statistical support, unlike you who have nothing (FFVIII on the other hand cannot be weighed aganst FFIX)
Squall had a personality, more than Zidane ever had, he was the loner style of character, you can argue that he wasa stupid character, but to argue that its not realistic is just plain bull****
I played FFIX and hate the game with a passion
AND the gloves r gay dumbass, they look like gardening gloves, almost all the characters in lead roles are wearing gloves...but ohh I am sry, your 2 busy flaming to play any of gthe games thoroughly
...freaking FFIX fanboy
Statistics prove nothing. Just as an example, millions of people love Nirvana, but if you ask most people with a real appreciation for real talent in the music, Nirvana isn't worth a damn (And I agree with this., Nirvana is not worth a damn). Just because it is the most popular, it does not mean that it is the best. There are many, many reasons to dislike FFVII, and many RPG hardcore gamers do not like it because of any number of the previously mentioned reasons. If I want a good, honest opinion on role playing games, I will not ask a hardcore FFVII fanboy/girl. I will ask an RPG hardcore. Hell, alot of hte FFVII fanbase don't even know what else is out there, so how can said opinion count when one has no knowledge of that one speaks? I believe IX to be better than VII. Many people I know agree with me. The fact that there are millions of fanboys blind to other RPGs that disagree with me does not make me wrong
All Squall ever did was say "whatever" which did not give him any personality. Zidane, on the other hand, was very lively throughout the whole of the story, which gave him personality. Advantage: Zidane
So you went from "Not my favorite" to "I hate it" just because I disagree with you. Pathetic reason dude. FFIX is a great game with a great story and some great characters. IT is everything FF should be
Don't call me a dumbass, dumbass. Why would a thief be picky about what type of gloves he or she wears? It does not matter. Grab some leather gloves or whatever. As long as they serve their purpose
It appears to me that you are the one that has not played the games thoroughly.
I am far removed from a FFIX fanboy
ROFL do you listen to yourself? True just because things are more popular doesnt mean they are any better HOWEVER saying that the fanboys/gitrls are not good RPG gamers (not hardcore w.e) is the same as saying anyone who enjoys FFIX is likely homosexual....their is no proof, nor could it be proved in any way shape or form, plus you constantly critique FFVII, and you state FFIX as the best (or one of the best), you seem to, in your selection of games prefer the more medival (with airships of course :P) style of game, rather than the Sci-fi modern, I in turn like the opposite, the modern style games, and our defence, or hate towards characters seems to reflect the game more than the overall character flaws, however in my opinion Zidane is crap, in your opinion Tidus, Cloud and Squall are crap....personally it doesnt really matter because we are both entitled to our speech...so lets stop the hate and ...lol
It was all just a debate until he called me a dumbassfs_metal
that was because you failed to see that this is MY view on the character :P not urs, you can saw Cloud is dirty poo, who cares, notice I dont get super defensive when you attack Cloud or Squall or Tidus, or w.e, I can organize an arguement but I dont get like "into it", use a vague facts and keep it to a minor debate level...this thing just escalated 2 much
and FS_Metal....lets pwn FH :P
[QUOTE="fs_metal"]It was all just a debate until he called me a dumbassDRUNK_CANADIAN
that was because you failed to see that this is MY view on the character :P not urs, you can saw Cloud is dirty poo, who cares, notice I dont get super defensive when you attack Cloud or Squall or Tidus, or w.e, I can organize an arguement but I dont get like "into it", use a vague facts and keep it to a minor debate level...this thing just escalated 2 much
and FS_Metal....lets pwn FH :P
[QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="DRUNK_CANADIAN"][QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="DRUNK_CANADIAN"][QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="DRUNK_CANADIAN"]He had a rock steady personality as a generally nice guy that shows concern for those that he loves and was a bit of a playerZidanes personality was changing faster than my weapons for him, and he was irratical in the gameplay as he possesed no real personality, he was kinda your I am teh best **** u all kind of personalities as well,
He also had the gayest character design known to mankind
He also made Vaan look normal....Zidane also lacked leadership qualities...being he was autocratic, and he seemed to be more of a childish character...with no serious portion to him....hell Super Mario Characters take the story more serious than Zidane
There are flip tiems when Zidane is emo though, liek his whole battle thing "i am not alone" is playing it the background....ohh hell do I really need to continue?
DRUNK_CANADIAN
Tidus and Squall look much, much gayer than Zidane ever did
Vaan doesn't look as bad as people say he did/
He did not lack leadership qualities. He knew how to take charge, and knew how to get things done. He was the least childish character since FFVI. He was, however, more realistic because he wasn't constantly serious. He could take life seriously, but he could also be laid back and relaxed or joke arround.
Zidane was never emo. He had a strong spirit and a strong will something that characters like Tidus and Cloud lack
Your arguement is stupid, you say he is the least childish and than turn around and say he wasnt constantly serious and was an "out there" kind of character, more realistic...and no offense but his laid back moments were not properly placed...also Zidane was by far the gayest looking, I am sorry how can you justify the gay vest, the tail (ya i know you can justify the tail as part of the story) and the emo look he had on the cover of the bloody game case (backing), I am sorry he looks lke a douche, the crappy graphics in the game actually made him loook better, he wore those dumb ass gloves, like he was gardening or somthing, Zidanes personality is arguably real but than again Squalls, Clouds, Tidus and any other FF character...even Vaan are arguable real aswell, plus Zidane was not your caring individual..hell Tidus was probably one of the most caring..not saying hes great lol, thus also proving that your arguement is BS, you have constantly stated your anti-FFVII, FVIII, FX opinions over and over,,,,you just keep trolling and frankly it should come to an end for the good of the union, because I can just as easily troll FFXI to death...and if you continue so will I
My arguement is not stupid. I based it off of what the game presents as his personality. He is a fantastic and well rounded characters, where as the 2 that came before him weren'tZidane didn't look gay or emo. I don't even know where you are getting that. It makes no sense
FFIX had the best graphics of the PSX FF games dude
Imagine a thief wearing gloves *rolls eyes*
Cloud had no personality. That isn't real. Squall had no personality. That's not real. Tidus whines too much to be real. You cannot argue about them being real. Vaan, on the other hand, could have an arguement in his favor
Zidane was very caring dude. His biggest concern in his life were his friends. I do not know what game you played, but it was not FFIX
All Tidus cared about was himself and how he had been treated in the past.
I just proved your arguement BS dude, You proved nothing.
I am not anti FFX dude. I liked the game. I liked the story. I liked Yuna, Wakka, Kihmari and Auron. The battle system was kind of fun for a while as well. I liked the sphere grid. It was a good character developement system
go log out of life lolz :P
The game was BS and garbage...the graphics i never argued the level wasnt good, for the PSone but hte type of "kiddy" or "midget" characters is BS
Additionally the majority will agree with me that FFVII is WAY better than FFIX so therefore I have statistical support, unlike you who have nothing (FFVIII on the other hand cannot be weighed aganst FFIX)
Squall had a personality, more than Zidane ever had, he was the loner style of character, you can argue that he wasa stupid character, but to argue that its not realistic is just plain bull****
I played FFIX and hate the game with a passion
AND the gloves r gay dumbass, they look like gardening gloves, almost all the characters in lead roles are wearing gloves...but ohh I am sry, your 2 busy flaming to play any of gthe games thoroughly
...freaking FFIX fanboy
Statistics prove nothing. Just as an example, millions of people love Nirvana, but if you ask most people with a real appreciation for real talent in the music, Nirvana isn't worth a damn (And I agree with this., Nirvana is not worth a damn). Just because it is the most popular, it does not mean that it is the best. There are many, many reasons to dislike FFVII, and many RPG hardcore gamers do not like it because of any number of the previously mentioned reasons. If I want a good, honest opinion on role playing games, I will not ask a hardcore FFVII fanboy/girl. I will ask an RPG hardcore. Hell, alot of hte FFVII fanbase don't even know what else is out there, so how can said opinion count when one has no knowledge of that one speaks? I believe IX to be better than VII. Many people I know agree with me. The fact that there are millions of fanboys blind to other RPGs that disagree with me does not make me wrong
All Squall ever did was say "whatever" which did not give him any personality. Zidane, on the other hand, was very lively throughout the whole of the story, which gave him personality. Advantage: Zidane
So you went from "Not my favorite" to "I hate it" just because I disagree with you. Pathetic reason dude. FFIX is a great game with a great story and some great characters. IT is everything FF should be
Don't call me a dumbass, dumbass. Why would a thief be picky about what type of gloves he or she wears? It does not matter. Grab some leather gloves or whatever. As long as they serve their purpose
It appears to me that you are the one that has not played the games thoroughly.
I am far removed from a FFIX fanboy
ROFL do you listen to yourself? True just because things are more popular doesnt mean they are any better HOWEVER saying that the fanboys/gitrls are not good RPG gamers (not hardcore w.e) is the same as saying anyone who enjoys FFIX is likely homosexual....their is no proof, nor could it be proved in any way shape or form, plus you constantly critique FFVII, and you state FFIX as the best (or one of the best), you seem to, in your selection of games prefer the more medival (with airships of course :P) style of game, rather than the Sci-fi modern, I in turn like the opposite, the modern style games, and our defence, or hate towards characters seems to reflect the game more than the overall character flaws, however in my opinion Zidane is crap, in your opinion Tidus, Cloud and Squall are crap....personally it doesnt really matter because we are both entitled to our speech...so lets stop the hate and ...lol
I listen to myself make good arguements.Most of hte hardcore FFVII fanboys really don't know what else is out there. I have experienced this. I speak from personal experience, sir. I would mich rather get opinions of someone that is a true fan of RPGs than that.
No. FFVI and FFIV are the best. I really like FFIX, but it is not the best. I prefer FF to be mideval instead of sci fi because FF was meant to be as such. If Phantasy Star made a mideval game, I would not be happy;. Thank God that series doesn't steer THAT far from it's roots.
If you prefer the more modern or sci fi stype of games, why are you playing FF instead of Xenogears, Phantasy Star, Star Ocean or Shin Megami Tensei?
I just do not see what is so greawt ab out Tetsuya Nomura. He makes games aimed at angsty teens, which is something that I am not. His stories seem simple to me. A person on the CAD forum said his games are "for simpletons" and, not to insult anyone, I pretty much agree with this sentiment. That's what his games seem like it me. I would much rather play more mature and more complex stories such as FFXII, Killer 7 or Metal Gear
drunk canadian- i think your reason for disliking zidane is because he has a strong personality. he seems real enough to hate. in terra, he treats his friends like crap which was very suprising as it wouldnt be something he would normally do. zidane is my second favourite lead just because he seems more natural than MR C and MR S.
fs metal- did you know that nomura had a somewhat large role in the development of a certain area of FFVI.
i think the worst is fironiel just for being underdeveloped. my favourite is cecil.
Cut the characters from FFII a little slack. It was an NES game, after all. The Having any kind of character developement back then was a miracle :P
CECIL RULES!!!!!!!
[QUOTE="DRUNK_CANADIAN"][QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="DRUNK_CANADIAN"][QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="DRUNK_CANADIAN"][QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="DRUNK_CANADIAN"]He had a rock steady personality as a generally nice guy that shows concern for those that he loves and was a bit of a playerZidanes personality was changing faster than my weapons for him, and he was irratical in the gameplay as he possesed no real personality, he was kinda your I am teh best **** u all kind of personalities as well,
He also had the gayest character design known to mankind
He also made Vaan look normal....Zidane also lacked leadership qualities...being he was autocratic, and he seemed to be more of a childish character...with no serious portion to him....hell Super Mario Characters take the story more serious than Zidane
There are flip tiems when Zidane is emo though, liek his whole battle thing "i am not alone" is playing it the background....ohh hell do I really need to continue?
fs_metal
Tidus and Squall look much, much gayer than Zidane ever did
Vaan doesn't look as bad as people say he did/
He did not lack leadership qualities. He knew how to take charge, and knew how to get things done. He was the least childish character since FFVI. He was, however, more realistic because he wasn't constantly serious. He could take life seriously, but he could also be laid back and relaxed or joke arround.
Zidane was never emo. He had a strong spirit and a strong will something that characters like Tidus and Cloud lack
Your arguement is stupid, you say he is the least childish and than turn around and say he wasnt constantly serious and was an "out there" kind of character, more realistic...and no offense but his laid back moments were not properly placed...also Zidane was by far the gayest looking, I am sorry how can you justify the gay vest, the tail (ya i know you can justify the tail as part of the story) and the emo look he had on the cover of the bloody game case (backing), I am sorry he looks lke a douche, the crappy graphics in the game actually made him loook better, he wore those dumb ass gloves, like he was gardening or somthing, Zidanes personality is arguably real but than again Squalls, Clouds, Tidus and any other FF character...even Vaan are arguable real aswell, plus Zidane was not your caring individual..hell Tidus was probably one of the most caring..not saying hes great lol, thus also proving that your arguement is BS, you have constantly stated your anti-FFVII, FVIII, FX opinions over and over,,,,you just keep trolling and frankly it should come to an end for the good of the union, because I can just as easily troll FFXI to death...and if you continue so will I
My arguement is not stupid. I based it off of what the game presents as his personality. He is a fantastic and well rounded characters, where as the 2 that came before him weren'tZidane didn't look gay or emo. I don't even know where you are getting that. It makes no sense
FFIX had the best graphics of the PSX FF games dude
Imagine a thief wearing gloves *rolls eyes*
Cloud had no personality. That isn't real. Squall had no personality. That's not real. Tidus whines too much to be real. You cannot argue about them being real. Vaan, on the other hand, could have an arguement in his favor
Zidane was very caring dude. His biggest concern in his life were his friends. I do not know what game you played, but it was not FFIX
All Tidus cared about was himself and how he had been treated in the past.
I just proved your arguement BS dude, You proved nothing.
I am not anti FFX dude. I liked the game. I liked the story. I liked Yuna, Wakka, Kihmari and Auron. The battle system was kind of fun for a while as well. I liked the sphere grid. It was a good character developement system
go log out of life lolz :P
The game was BS and garbage...the graphics i never argued the level wasnt good, for the PSone but hte type of "kiddy" or "midget" characters is BS
Additionally the majority will agree with me that FFVII is WAY better than FFIX so therefore I have statistical support, unlike you who have nothing (FFVIII on the other hand cannot be weighed aganst FFIX)
Squall had a personality, more than Zidane ever had, he was the loner style of character, you can argue that he wasa stupid character, but to argue that its not realistic is just plain bull****
I played FFIX and hate the game with a passion
AND the gloves r gay dumbass, they look like gardening gloves, almost all the characters in lead roles are wearing gloves...but ohh I am sry, your 2 busy flaming to play any of gthe games thoroughly
...freaking FFIX fanboy
Statistics prove nothing. Just as an example, millions of people love Nirvana, but if you ask most people with a real appreciation for real talent in the music, Nirvana isn't worth a damn (And I agree with this., Nirvana is not worth a damn). Just because it is the most popular, it does not mean that it is the best. There are many, many reasons to dislike FFVII, and many RPG hardcore gamers do not like it because of any number of the previously mentioned reasons. If I want a good, honest opinion on role playing games, I will not ask a hardcore FFVII fanboy/girl. I will ask an RPG hardcore. Hell, alot of hte FFVII fanbase don't even know what else is out there, so how can said opinion count when one has no knowledge of that one speaks? I believe IX to be better than VII. Many people I know agree with me. The fact that there are millions of fanboys blind to other RPGs that disagree with me does not make me wrong
All Squall ever did was say "whatever" which did not give him any personality. Zidane, on the other hand, was very lively throughout the whole of the story, which gave him personality. Advantage: Zidane
So you went from "Not my favorite" to "I hate it" just because I disagree with you. Pathetic reason dude. FFIX is a great game with a great story and some great characters. IT is everything FF should be
Don't call me a dumbass, dumbass. Why would a thief be picky about what type of gloves he or she wears? It does not matter. Grab some leather gloves or whatever. As long as they serve their purpose
It appears to me that you are the one that has not played the games thoroughly.
I am far removed from a FFIX fanboy
ROFL do you listen to yourself? True just because things are more popular doesnt mean they are any better HOWEVER saying that the fanboys/gitrls are not good RPG gamers (not hardcore w.e) is the same as saying anyone who enjoys FFIX is likely homosexual....their is no proof, nor could it be proved in any way shape or form, plus you constantly critique FFVII, and you state FFIX as the best (or one of the best), you seem to, in your selection of games prefer the more medival (with airships of course :P) style of game, rather than the Sci-fi modern, I in turn like the opposite, the modern style games, and our defence, or hate towards characters seems to reflect the game more than the overall character flaws, however in my opinion Zidane is crap, in your opinion Tidus, Cloud and Squall are crap....personally it doesnt really matter because we are both entitled to our speech...so lets stop the hate and ...lol
I listen to myself make good arguements.Most of hte hardcore FFVII fanboys really don't know what else is out there. I have experienced this. I speak from personal experience, sir. I would mich rather get opinions of someone that is a true fan of RPGs than that.
No. FFVI and FFIV are the best. I really like FFIX, but it is not the best. I prefer FF to be mideval instead of sci fi because FF was meant to be as such. If Phantasy Star made a mideval game, I would not be happy;. Thank God that series doesn't steer THAT far from it's roots.
If you prefer the more modern or sci fi stype of games, why are you playing FF instead of Xenogears, Phantasy Star, Star Ocean or Shin Megami Tensei?
I just do not see what is so greawt ab out Tetsuya Nomura. He makes games aimed at angsty teens, which is something that I am not. His stories seem simple to me. A person on the CAD forum said his games are "for simpletons" and, not to insult anyone, I pretty much agree with this sentiment. That's what his games seem like it me. I would much rather play more mature and more complex stories such as FFXII, Killer 7 or Metal Gear
Metal Gear games r good, I life FFVII ur point? You can like various types of games...story in depth or no...
Also saying FFVII gamers are not "true RPG gamers" is a stereotype making your arguement quite contradicting to itself....by expressing your limited view...to be a true RPG gamer one simply has 2 have an obession with RPGs and such they have played various kinds ...as I have...(from FF to Xenosaga to MMORPGs like Guildwars and WOW) I have been playing RPGs for as long as I can remember now 2 say that I cannot be a true RPG gamer and that my statements r invalid only makes yourself seem uneducated..so please consider what you say and account for your anti-FFVII in your arguements and word it more appropriately
Metal Gear games r good, I life FFVII ur point? You can like various types of games...story in depth or no...
Also saying FFVII gamers are not "true RPG gamers" is a stereotype making your arguement quite contradicting to itself....by expressing your limited view...to be a true RPG gamer one simply has 2 have an obession with RPGs and such they have played various kinds ...as I have...(from FF to Xenosaga to MMORPGs like Guildwars and WOW) I have been playing RPGs for as long as I can remember now 2 say that I cannot be a true RPG gamer and that my statements r invalid only makes yourself seem uneducated..so please consider what you say and account for your anti-FFVII in your arguements and word it more appropriately
You are completely misunderstanding what I am saying. There are many blind FFVII fanboys in this world, and they cannot be true RPG gamers if they only play one series, which completely defeats anything you are saying
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P.S. why am I listening to a guy who can't even spell out the word 'are'?Metal Gear games r good, I life FFVII ur point? You can like various types of games...story in depth or no...
Also saying FFVII gamers are not "true RPG gamers" is a stereotype making your arguement quite contradicting to itself....by expressing your limited view...to be a true RPG gamer one simply has 2 have an obession with RPGs and such they have played various kinds ...as I have...(from FF to Xenosaga to MMORPGs like Guildwars and WOW) I have been playing RPGs for as long as I can remember now 2 say that I cannot be a true RPG gamer and that my statements r invalid only makes yourself seem uneducated..so please consider what you say and account for your anti-FFVII in your arguements and word it more appropriately
You are completely misunderstanding what I am saying. There are many blind FFVII fanboys in this world, and they cannot be true RPG gamers if they only play one series, which completely defeats anything you are saying
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P.S. why am I listening to a guy who can't even spell out the word 'are'?
fs_metal
I am typing fast....I have better things to do than argue with people of your ilk
I have better things to do than argue with those that can't bother to type out their damn words.fs_metal
apparently not lol :P
Seriously. Save the net from stupidity. Type out your damn wordsfs_metal
Ohh I am afraid the internet is already lost 2 stupidity ...or should I type...
O I M afrad teh e-net is alwedy ost 2 stpidty :P
That doesn't mean you should add to it by following the path of those dorks that came before you :Pfs_metal
Tradition is what keeps the hordes of monsters off our backs...if you have another way foriegn Adventurer plz aid us,,,, teh internets is becoming a monster.,,,blah :O
[QUOTE="fs_metal"]That doesn't mean you should add to it by following the path of those dorks that came before you :PDRUNK_CANADIAN
Tradition is what keeps the hordes of monsters off our backs...if you have another way foriegn Adventurer plz aid us,,,, teh internets is becoming a monster.,,,blah :O Yep most people in the Eworld is aready pretty dumb. MI fri3nd ty93$ 7331 and i tell him thats the dumbest this ever.
[QUOTE="fs_metal"]That doesn't mean you should add to it by following the path of those dorks that came before you :PDRUNK_CANADIAN
Tradition is what keeps the hordes of monsters off our backs...if you have another way foriegn Adventurer plz aid us,,,, teh internets is becoming a monster.,,,blah :Obreaking tradition will save us all
[QUOTE="DRUNK_CANADIAN"][QUOTE="fs_metal"]That doesn't mean you should add to it by following the path of those dorks that came before you :Pfs_metal
Tradition is what keeps the hordes of monsters off our backs...if you have another way foriegn Adventurer plz aid us,,,, teh internets is becoming a monster.,,,blah :Obreaking tradition will save us all
we cants doo dats !!!! teh end of zee world will come ,,,,,we b d00med! 0mGz i h@xXzOr ur face offz
Only a hero can save us....where are you Cyber Jesus?
It has to be Tidus.I just hate him.I dont know about vaan because FFXII it hasnt come to Ireland yet.zerroth101
You wll hate him...trust me :P
That's largely due to the fact that many people started playing FF with VII...including most of them that use websites such as this one. They came to expect certain things....certain things that Final Fantasy is NOT and has never been. When they were handed a real FF game, they did not like it because they did not know any better. Ignorance. What can you sayfs_metal
 So your saying the majority of FF gamers along with Square Enix are all ignorant to FF?
Many people support and love FFVII, and Square Enix has supported the game (or butchered it in the saga :P w.e you want to believe) Without FFVII success FF would NOT be the success it is today, for it was from FFVII that many people, like you said adopted the series, and from than onward they had expectations, many were appeased through games like FFX, FFXII, and even FFVIII (which I thought tried to pull of a similar game 2 FFVII)
[QUOTE="zerroth101"]It has to be Tidus.I just hate him.I dont know about vaan because FFXII it hasnt come to Ireland yet.DRUNK_CANADIAN
You wll hate him...trust me :P
I LIKE VAAN. He's no hero don't get me wrong, but he has the peronality that i like the most out of the main characters. He just says the stuff you are thinking bcus you don't kow whats going on.[QUOTE="fs_metal"]That's largely due to the fact that many people started playing FF with VII...including most of them that use websites such as this one. They came to expect certain things....certain things that Final Fantasy is NOT and has never been. When they were handed a real FF game, they did not like it because they did not know any better. Ignorance. What can you sayDRUNK_CANADIAN
So your saying the majority of FF gamers along with Square Enix are all ignorant to FF?
Many people support and love FFVII, and Square Enix has supported the game (or butchered it in the saga :P w.e you want to believe) Without FFVII success FF would NOT be the success it is today, for it was from FFVII that many people, like you said adopted the series, and from than onward they had expectations, many were appeased through games like FFX, FFXII, and even FFVIII (which I thought tried to pull of a similar game 2 FFVII)
FF was doing just fine unti; VII. It had enjoyed quite a bit of success
[QUOTE="DRUNK_CANADIAN"][QUOTE="fs_metal"]That's largely due to the fact that many people started playing FF with VII...including most of them that use websites such as this one. They came to expect certain things....certain things that Final Fantasy is NOT and has never been. When they were handed a real FF game, they did not like it because they did not know any better. Ignorance. What can you sayfs_metal
So your saying the majority of FF gamers along with Square Enix are all ignorant to FF?
Many people support and love FFVII, and Square Enix has supported the game (or butchered it in the saga :P w.e you want to believe) Without FFVII success FF would NOT be the success it is today, for it was from FFVII that many people, like you said adopted the series, and from than onward they had expectations, many were appeased through games like FFX, FFXII, and even FFVIII (which I thought tried to pull of a similar game 2 FFVII)
FF was doing just fine unti; VII. It had enjoyed quite a bit of success
yes I understand, FFIX was disliekd due to its medival approach however FFXII is medival as well yet didnt share such critizism.....most people who own FFXII love it,
[QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="DRUNK_CANADIAN"][QUOTE="fs_metal"]That's largely due to the fact that many people started playing FF with VII...including most of them that use websites such as this one. They came to expect certain things....certain things that Final Fantasy is NOT and has never been. When they were handed a real FF game, they did not like it because they did not know any better. Ignorance. What can you sayDRUNK_CANADIAN
So your saying the majority of FF gamers along with Square Enix are all ignorant to FF?
Many people support and love FFVII, and Square Enix has supported the game (or butchered it in the saga :P w.e you want to believe) Without FFVII success FF would NOT be the success it is today, for it was from FFVII that many people, like you said adopted the series, and from than onward they had expectations, many were appeased through games like FFX, FFXII, and even FFVIII (which I thought tried to pull of a similar game 2 FFVII)
FF was doing just fine unti; VII. It had enjoyed quite a bit of success
yes I understand, FFIX was disliekd due to its medival approach however FFXII is medival as well yet didnt share such critizism.....most people who own FFXII love it,
Yeah, but new FF fans also got a bit of a mideval taste in alot of X, as well as the Tactics games . It was no longer something new and different to those that picked the series up starting with VII.[QUOTE="DRUNK_CANADIAN"][QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="DRUNK_CANADIAN"][QUOTE="fs_metal"]That's largely due to the fact that many people started playing FF with VII...including most of them that use websites such as this one. They came to expect certain things....certain things that Final Fantasy is NOT and has never been. When they were handed a real FF game, they did not like it because they did not know any better. Ignorance. What can you sayfs_metal
So your saying the majority of FF gamers along with Square Enix are all ignorant to FF?
Many people support and love FFVII, and Square Enix has supported the game (or butchered it in the saga :P w.e you want to believe) Without FFVII success FF would NOT be the success it is today, for it was from FFVII that many people, like you said adopted the series, and from than onward they had expectations, many were appeased through games like FFX, FFXII, and even FFVIII (which I thought tried to pull of a similar game 2 FFVII)
FF was doing just fine unti; VII. It had enjoyed quite a bit of success
yes I understand, FFIX was disliekd due to its medival approach however FFXII is medival as well yet didnt share such critizism.....most people who own FFXII love it,
Yeah, but new FF fans also got a bit of a mideval taste in alot of X, as well as the Tactics games . It was no longer something new and different to those that picked the series up starting with VII.Oh k, I see what you mean, however I feel it would be more due to the graphical style than the medival setting...or perhaps other reasons...either that or it just wasnt as successful for a general preferance towards the other FF......
if an ff is to be critisized then it would be FFVII for being drastically different than the original six FF games. X-2 for being way to different as well. FFIX had a lot of features and traits from previous FF games. it does not deserve bad critisism for being different than the TWO previous FF games.jordina
not really saying that, I am just saying it wasnt as successful as many of the other FF, ...but what I dont understand is why I can like FFI, (2 not really kinda pissed me off lol), IV, and some elements of IV....yet I dislike FFIX greatly, off all FFÂ I deem it the worst....in m opinion, I also luv FF VII, VIII, X, (X-2 was garbage but the battle system and continuation of a hit game's story made it bearable and even interesting at points), XI well ....personally I didnt like monthly fees :P, FF XII (IT OWNED)
I also like FF tactics as you would know if you have read my excitement for the PSP ver being released....I am afraid the case isnt a dislke of medival games
if an ff is to be critisized then it would be FFVII for being drastically different than the original six FF games. X-2 for being way to different as well. FFIX had a lot of features and traits from previous FF games. it does not deserve bad critisism for being different than the TWO previous FF games.jordinaThat is correct. FFVII should have been the one that was critisized, but it wasn't because, for many people, it was their first FF game.
[QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="DRUNK_CANADIAN"][QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="DRUNK_CANADIAN"][QUOTE="fs_metal"]That's largely due to the fact that many people started playing FF with VII...including most of them that use websites such as this one. They came to expect certain things....certain things that Final Fantasy is NOT and has never been. When they were handed a real FF game, they did not like it because they did not know any better. Ignorance. What can you sayDRUNK_CANADIAN
So your saying the majority of FF gamers along with Square Enix are all ignorant to FF?
Many people support and love FFVII, and Square Enix has supported the game (or butchered it in the saga :P w.e you want to believe) Without FFVII success FF would NOT be the success it is today, for it was from FFVII that many people, like you said adopted the series, and from than onward they had expectations, many were appeased through games like FFX, FFXII, and even FFVIII (which I thought tried to pull of a similar game 2 FFVII)
FF was doing just fine unti; VII. It had enjoyed quite a bit of success
yes I understand, FFIX was disliekd due to its medival approach however FFXII is medival as well yet didnt share such critizism.....most people who own FFXII love it,
Yeah, but new FF fans also got a bit of a mideval taste in alot of X, as well as the Tactics games . It was no longer something new and different to those that picked the series up starting with VII.Oh k, I see what you mean, however I feel it would be more due to the graphical style than the medival setting...or perhaps other reasons...either that or it just wasnt as successful for a general preferance towards the other FF......
I am not debating the graphical style, though I quite liked it, especially in comparison to FFVII and FFVIII. I was saying the game should not be critisized for it's setting.[QUOTE="DRUNK_CANADIAN"][QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="DRUNK_CANADIAN"][QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="DRUNK_CANADIAN"][QUOTE="fs_metal"]That's largely due to the fact that many people started playing FF with VII...including most of them that use websites such as this one. They came to expect certain things....certain things that Final Fantasy is NOT and has never been. When they were handed a real FF game, they did not like it because they did not know any better. Ignorance. What can you sayfs_metal
So your saying the majority of FF gamers along with Square Enix are all ignorant to FF?
Many people support and love FFVII, and Square Enix has supported the game (or butchered it in the saga :P w.e you want to believe) Without FFVII success FF would NOT be the success it is today, for it was from FFVII that many people, like you said adopted the series, and from than onward they had expectations, many were appeased through games like FFX, FFXII, and even FFVIII (which I thought tried to pull of a similar game 2 FFVII)
FF was doing just fine unti; VII. It had enjoyed quite a bit of success
yes I understand, FFIX was disliekd due to its medival approach however FFXII is medival as well yet didnt share such critizism.....most people who own FFXII love it,
Yeah, but new FF fans also got a bit of a mideval taste in alot of X, as well as the Tactics games . It was no longer something new and different to those that picked the series up starting with VII.Oh k, I see what you mean, however I feel it would be more due to the graphical style than the medival setting...or perhaps other reasons...either that or it just wasnt as successful for a general preferance towards the other FF......
I am not debating the graphical style, though I quite liked it, especially in comparison to FFVII and FFVIII. I was saying the game should not be critisized for it's setting.yes that may be true for those who only played FFVII onward, but what of those who have played the games prior to FFVII and still dislike FFIX , how do we justify them? I am meaning that the graphical style is probably what alienated these gamers.....but yes I see where your coming from FFVII brought alot of players to the franchise....and they probably were unaccustomed to the traditional FF style, yet upon playing FFXII one would think they would change their upon, ......not too sure if I explained what I was thinking there clearly...
You can't please everyone. I just don't think people understood itfs_metal
meh, ..btw FS_Metal have you seen any reports on the amount of money made of specific titles...I have been recently looking as part of a recent project.....you think it would be somewhere on the net...
I liked every ff i played witch is 3-12 but 8 and 10-2 werent among the best
 i loved 12 and 10 and 3 most of all 8)
6 and 4 are numbers 1 and 2 on my list of FF gamesfs_metal
4 was a really good game I agree, however I find this barrier of graphics preventing me from playing it anymore...however its still good
Graphics are the single worst reason you can come up with to not play a game. "I can't play it because the graphics are out of date." Since when does that matter? I thought games sole purpose was to entertain. The entertainment comes from the gameplay, not the visuals. *sighs* When will people learn?fs_metal
ya but I find it bland...or frustrating with the graphics being so outdated...plus I never start RPGs over again...with the exception of FFVII....I just have become so enticed by FFXII graphics that I would rather play it over IV, .....I dunno I can t really explain....
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