Xbox 360 game lineup in 2012, more exclusives than ever ?

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Exclusives (20)

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Ryse (exclusive)

Fable Journey (exclusive)

Project Draco (exclusive)

Halo 4 (exclusive)

Dust Elysian Tale (exclusive)

Haunt (exclusive)

Star Wars (exclusive)

Steel Batallion (exclusive)

Battleblock Theater (exclusive)

Bloogforge (exclusive)

Clas4 Zombi MMO (exclusive)

Diabolical Pitch (exclusive)

Hybrid (exclusive)

Obsidian RPG (exclusive)

Skyrim DLC (timed exclusive)

Trials Evolution (exclusive)

Alan Wake Night Springs (exclusive)

Fusion Genesis (exclusive)

Sine Mora (exclusive)

Akai Katana Shin(exclusive)

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PC/360 only games (not on other consoles)

Witcher 2 (PC/360 only)

FEZ (PC/360 only)

Minecraft (PC/360 only)

Owlboy (PC/360 only)

Capsized (PC/360 only)

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PS3/360 only games (not on PC)

FF13-2 (PS3/360 only)

Dragon Dogma (PS3/360 only)

Asura's Wrath (PS3/360 only)

Overstrike (PS3/360 only)

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Special

Skyrim timed exclusive DLC expansions

Exclusive Kinect support for Mass Effect 3

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So, with 18 exclusives and games like Witcher 2, does that make 2012 the best xbox 360 year yet ?

These exclusives could turn out 9+/10 games, Gunstringer got a 8.5/10 and all these seem far far far better games and with bigger production values

I expect 9-9.5/10 for Ryse, Fable Journey, Project Draco, Steel Batallion and 8-9/10 for Star Wars, Haunt, Codename D etc

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Ryse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wwCC9QQCrY

Fable Journey
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvg_jQpIcB0

Project Draco
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8GJZbvsxxU

Witcher 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZmqgxrnK7M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtJ7uXktqEg

Haunt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVlOzzVF6NU


Dust Elysian Tale
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GumIlPK5hLM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR7vE6l1MN0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmSAQwbbig8

Steel Batallion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QoTh2nSPFk

Battleblock Theater
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5htwTVp7pTA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvQXFyUdsDQ&feature=relmfu

BloodForge
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wbgPCqr06o&feature=player_embedded

Star Wars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN_-BRIO3z4


Clas4 Zombie MMO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuOx2FjBNww
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKVvVLF2SI0&feature=related

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I will be honest and fair here. I rag on the ps3 all the time for having an overrated lineup (and they do besides the Uncharted series), but that 360 lineup looks like hot garbage. It's nice to see some exclusives there, but I'm not interested in any of that crap outside of Halo.
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If you love Kinect, it will be a good year. If you don't... get a PS3?
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Halo 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlpRlBHUC_E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmRBewBIIs4

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Im only interested in Halo 4, FEZ and The Witcher 2 so far. Maybe Ryse if it turns out good.

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I will be honest and fair here. I rag on the ps3 all the time for having an overrated lineup (and they do besides the Uncharted series), but that 360 lineup looks like hot garbage. It's nice to see some exclusives there, but I'm not interested in any of that crap outside of Halo. todd2r

Well, if that is your opinion

Personally i cant see how games coming from Crytek (Crysis), Panzer Dragoon team, Climax (Sudeki), Lionhead (Fable), Sega, From Software (Dark Souls), CD Project (Witcher 2) can be anything but amazing, but that is just me

And the reviewer that gave 8.5/10 to Gunstringer does think that Kinect delivers

Also i dont see how it is honest and fair to call "hot garbage" games coming from such huge developers without giving them any chance or seeing reviews first

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Wow that is an abysmally low amount of exclusives, especially with Kinect :?

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#8 loosingENDS
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Wow that is an abysmally low amount of exclusives, especially with Kinect :?

ChubbyGuy40

What system has more than 15 exclusives next year and which are they ?

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[QUOTE="todd2r"]I will be honest and fair here. I rag on the ps3 all the time for having an overrated lineup (and they do besides the Uncharted series), but that 360 lineup looks like hot garbage. It's nice to see some exclusives there, but I'm not interested in any of that crap outside of Halo. loosingENDS

Well, if that is your opinion

Personally i cant see how games coming from Crytek (Crysis), Panzer Dragoon team, Climax (Sudeki), Lionhead (Fable), Sega, From Software (Dark Souls), CD Project (Witcher 2) can be anything but amazing, but that is just me

And the reviewer that gave 8.5/10 to Gunstringer does think that Kinect delivers

Also i dont see how it is honest and fair to call "hot garbage" games coming from such huge developers without giving them any chance or seeing reviews first

I take back what I said. I didn't see the screenshot of the chick tied up up with her boobs out. Ok NOW I'm interested.
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I take back what I said. I didn't see the screenshot of the chick tied up up with her boobs out. Ok NOW I'm interested. todd2r

Those boobs aren't exclusive though.

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This thread is now about boobies. Go...

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What system has more than 15 exclusives next year and which are they ?

loosingENDS

http://www.pcgamingfan.com/

I count like 40 exclusives(2012 and beyond tab).

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This thread is now about boobies. Go...

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If only GS rules allowed that...

EDIT: Oh derp,I had not seen the first post.Holy ****!!

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What system has more than 15 exclusives next year and which are they ?

loosingENDS

PC has 40 exclusives next year, and many more to be announced. I'm not sure of the number that PS3 will have, but I believe it's close to 20. We have 2 new handhelds with a ton of exclusives.

Really the only thing that has less exclusives might be the Wii, since we have Wii-U launching.

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This thread is now about boobies. Go...

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Yesssssssssssss!!!!!!!!! Finally!!!!
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Kind of scraping the bottom of the barrel here, aren't we?

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[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

What system has more than 15 exclusives next year and which are they ?

ChubbyGuy40

PC has 40 exclusives next year, and many more to be announced. I'm not sure of the number that PS3 will have, but I believe it's close to 20. We have 2 new handhelds with a ton of exclusives.

Really the only thing that has less exclusives might be the Wii, since we have Wii-U launching.

Can you list those 20 PS3 exclusives ?

I only know 9 myself (Last Gurdian, NI no Kuni, FF13vs, Yakuza : of the End, Starhawk, Agent, Sorcery, The Journey, Sly 4)

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90% of them are Kinect so are therefore null and void.

What is this Obsidian RPG?

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Are you seriously including timed exclusive DLC in a list of exclusive games? Talk about trying way too hard.
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90% of them are Kinect so are therefore null and void.

What is this Obsidian RPG?

balfe1990


Null and void like the 8.5/10 Gunstringer ?

Or Fable, Panzer Dragoon, Crysis, Dark souls ?

Since these Kinect games come from the developers of those games, so in general they make amazing games, i dont see why they would fail just because of Kinect


Obsidian Working On An Action-RPG For XBLA, Hints At A Major Licensing Deal

http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2011/03/01/obsidian-working-on-an-action-rpg-for-xbla-hints-at-a-major-licensing-deal/

"Urquhart also reveals that the studio is working on an Xbox Live Arcade release as well. "It'll be an action RPG that's focused on fun, not 'Dungeon Siege,' it's quite a bit different in a different genre with a different camera," he said, adding, "We also might throw our hat in the whole free-to-play thing. In the game industry there's a lot of different opportunities for all different kinds of products.""

Are you seriously including timed exclusive DLC in a list of exclusive games? Talk about trying way too hard.incuensuocha

Isnt Witcher 2 listed as PC exclusive in MetaGame ? Same thing

Timed expansions are still exclusive

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well you get the multiplats on the the xbox as well. but the ps3 is definitely going to offer the better value. its just a shame that because of marketing a lot of people are going to just buy an xbox and not a ps3
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Nice boobs.

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Those games looks terrible, Sony has the better 2012 lineup, for PSV and PS3.
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well you get the multiplats on the the xbox as well. but the ps3 is definitely going to offer the better value. its just a shame that because of marketing a lot of people are going to just buy an xbox and not a ps3lloveLamp

I think 360 will offer the better value myself, more exclusives and better quality games for my tastes

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Can you list those 20 PS3 exclusives ?

I only know 5 myself

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Dust 514, Yakuza: Dead Souls, Yazuka 5 (possibly), Way of the Samurai 4, MLB The Show 2012, Twisted Metal, Closure, Tekken Hybrid, Mind Move Benders, One Piece (Dynasty Warriors), Persona 5, Hyperdimension Neptuna MK2. I got 12.

And a bunch of Japanese games I don't know. They still count though. There's also a few PS Move games comming out. Had to look some up from GS. I know I'm still missing quite a few, and I wasn't done looking through GS for listings.

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[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Can you list those 20 PS3 exclusives ?

I only know 5 myself

ChubbyGuy40

Dust 514, Yakuza: Dead Souls, Yazuka 5 (possibly), Way of the Samurai 4, MLB The Show 2012, Twisted Metal, Closure, Tekken Hybrid, Mind Move Benders, One Piece (Dynasty Warriors), Persona 5, Hyperdimension Neptuna MK2. I got 12.

And a bunch of Japanese games I don't know. They still count though. There's also a few PS Move games comming out. Had to look some up from GS. I know I'm still missing quite a few, and I wasn't done looking through GS for listings.

12 is not 20

Also if i was to count games like Mind Move Benders in 360 lineup, the list would be like 30 exclusives

Those games looks terrible, Sony has the better 2012 lineup, for PSV and PS3.WyteCollaCrim

I like 360 one far better because of Witcher 2, Fable JOurney, Ryse, Dust and Project Draco mainly

Also Mass Effect 3 Kinect and Skyrim exclusive DLC

i am sure FF13vs, Ni no Kuni and Last Gaurdian will be nice, even though NI no Kuni is not really excusive (also on DS) and from the mediocre WKC developers, hopefully Square will deliver a decent game this time and nothing like the terrible FF13

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[QUOTE="WyteCollaCrim"]Those games looks terrible, Sony has the better 2012 lineup, for PSV and PS3.loosingENDS

I like 360 one far better because of Witcher 2, Fable JOurney, Ryse, Dust and Project Draco mainly

Also Mass Effect 3 Kinect and Skyrim exclusive DLC

i am sure FF13vs, Ni no Kuni and Last Gaurdian will be nice, even though NI no Kuni is not really excusive (also on DS) and from the mediocre WKC developers, hopefully Square will deliver a decent game this time and nothing like the terrible FF13

The DS version is a different game.

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[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="WyteCollaCrim"]Those games looks terrible, Sony has the better 2012 lineup, for PSV and PS3.spookykid143

I like 360 one far better because of Witcher 2, Fable JOurney, Ryse, Dust and Project Draco mainly

Also Mass Effect 3 Kinect and Skyrim exclusive DLC

i am sure FF13vs, Ni no Kuni and Last Gaurdian will be nice, even though NI no Kuni is not really excusive (also on DS) and from the mediocre WKC developers, hopefully Square will deliver a decent game this time and nothing like the terrible FF13

The DS version is a different game.

I though the same, but i read it is the exact same game afterall, it even includes the book in digital version

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#30 ChubbyGuy40
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12 is not 20

Also if i was to count games like Mind Move Benders in 360 lineup, the list would be like 30 exclusives

loosingENDS

If I included all the Japanese games, I would've been over 30 easily :| MMB is a PS3 exclusive, as it's published by Sony.

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#31 loosingENDS
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[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

12 is not 20

Also if i was to count games like Mind Move Benders in 360 lineup, the list would be like 30 exclusives

ChubbyGuy40

If I included all the Japanese games, I would've been over 30 easily :| MMB is a PS3 exclusive, as it's published by Sony.

Sorry, but Japanese games wont count for anything

I still dont see the 20 PS3 exclusives, only 12

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This thread reeks of "trying to hard".

Didnt I JUST see you in another thread talking about how exclusives didnt matter TC? But you went this far out of your way to list that garbage :lol: .

and lol @ listing timed DLC for skyrim as an "exclusive" game. And "Codename D"? Really? We are hyping games that dont even have official titles now?

Does the "360 has no exclusives" taunting bother you that much TC :?

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What is this exclusive Obsidian RPG?

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#34 loosingENDS
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This thread reeks of "trying to hard".

Didnt I JUST see you in another thread talking about how exclusives didnt matter TC? But you went this far out of your way to list that garbage :lol: .

and lol @ listing timed DLC for skyrim as an "exclusive" game. And "Codename D"? Really? We are hyping games that dont even have official titles now?

Does the "360 has no exclusives" taunting bother you that much TC :?

StrongDeadlift

Project D has a name, it is called Diabolical Pitch actually

What is this exclusive Obsidian RPG?

dommeus

Obsidian Working On An Action-RPG For XBLA, Hints At A Major Licensing Deal

http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2011/03/01/obsidian-working-on-an-action-rpg-for-xbla-hints-at-a-major-licensing-deal/

"Urquhart also reveals that the studio is working on an Xbox Live Arcade release as well. "It'll be an action RPG that's focused on fun, not 'Dungeon Siege,' it's quite a bit different in a different genre with a different camera," he said, adding, "We also might throw our hat in the whole free-to-play thing. In the game industry there's a lot of different opportunities for all different kinds of products.""

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That zombie MMO looks interesting... you can keep the rest.

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Well I'm glad to see exclusives on my other system... I won't be buying but, it's good to see them.

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#37 StrongDeadlift
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Project D has a name, it is called Diabolical Pitch actually

loosingENDS

Yes, and im sure it will be quite the blockbuster......:roll:

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Wow that's a lot of exclusive crap. The only interesting game is Witcher 2 and it's on PC :P
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People will **** and moan and laugh at the 360's lineup, and granted we only have 1 exclusive for the core audience, (Halo 4), but despite having only one core game, all the other casual games will most likely sell. you guys do realize that Kinect sports, Just dance, Zumba fitness, and Kinect adventures sold millions of copies right? So with that being said you nerds can make fun of it all you want and pretend that no one outside of your comfort bubble plays these games, everyone else is going to enjoy those games. Same goes for Move, if you **** and complain about move owners and cry wolf "OH TEH CASUALZZzzS!!ELEVEN!!!" stfu and stop crying, everyone is entitled to game the way they want to game.

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And we are supposed to care about this why? :?
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[QUOTE="AkimboBFGNinja"]

People will **** and moan and laugh at the 360's lineup, and granted we only have 1 exclusive for the core audience, (Halo 4), but despite having only one core game, all the other casual games will most likely sell. you guys do realize that Kinect sports, Just dance, Zumba fitness, and Kinect adventures sold millions of copies right? So with that being said you nerds can make fun of it all you want and pretend that no one outside of your comfort bubble plays these games, everyone else is going to enjoy those games. Same goes for Move, if you **** and complain about move owners and cry wolf "OH TEH CASUALZZzzS!!ELEVEN!!!" stfu and stop crying, everyone is entitled to game the way they want to game.

StrongDeadlift

And we are supposed to care about this why? :?

You dont have to care, its about realizing that Kinect and move games are leitimate games that people play. So making threads scoffing/poo pooing all over next years line up is absurd.

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Dust 514, Yakuza: Dead Souls, Yazuka 5 (possibly), Way of the Samurai 4, MLB The Show 2012, Twisted Metal, Closure, Tekken Hybrid, Mind Move Benders, One Piece (Dynasty Warriors), Persona 5, Hyperdimension Neptuna MK2. I got 12.

ChubbyGuy40

TBH, I think Yakuza 5 & Dead Souls are the same game. No worries though, I updated your list a bit:

Dust 514
Yakuza: Dead Souls
MLB The Show 2012
Twisted Metal
Closure
Tekken Hybrid
Mind Move Benders
Persona 5
Hyperdimension Neptuna MK2
Ruin
Eyedentify
Sorcery
The Last Guardian
God of War untitled game
SingStar: The Wiggles
One Piece (Dynasty Warriors)
DanceStar Party
Sodium 2: Project Velocity
Hot Shots Golf 5
Sly 4
Move Fitness
Starhawk
Eight Days
Agent
Champions of time
Start the Party: Save the World
Go! Swizzleblock 2
Motion Fighters (working title)
Way of the Samurai 4

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#44 StrongDeadlift
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[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"][QUOTE="AkimboBFGNinja"]

People will **** and moan and laugh at the 360's lineup, and granted we only have 1 exclusive for the core audience, (Halo 4), but despite having only one core game, all the other casual games will most likely sell. you guys do realize that Kinect sports, Just dance, Zumba fitness, and Kinect adventures sold millions of copies right? So with that being said you nerds can make fun of it all you want and pretend that no one outside of your comfort bubble plays these games, everyone else is going to enjoy those games. Same goes for Move, if you **** and complain about move owners and cry wolf "OH TEH CASUALZZzzS!!ELEVEN!!!" stfu and stop crying, everyone is entitled to game the way they want to game.

AkimboBFGNinja

And we are supposed to care about this why? :?

You dont have to care, its about realizing that Kinect and move games are leitimate games that people play. So making threads scoffing/poo pooing all over next years line up is absurd.

Thats all well and good. Just make sure you realize that this thread you are posting in was not a thread made by a cow "scoffing" and "poopooing" over its lineup, but a lemming thread hyping it ;)
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#46 loosingENDS
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[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

Dust 514, Yakuza: Dead Souls, Yazuka 5 (possibly), Way of the Samurai 4, MLB The Show 2012, Twisted Metal, Closure, Tekken Hybrid, Mind Move Benders, One Piece (Dynasty Warriors), Persona 5, Hyperdimension Neptuna MK2. I got 12.

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TBH, I think Yakuza 5 & Dead Souls are the same game. No worries though, I updated your list a bit:

Dust 514
Yakuza: Dead Souls
MLB The Show 2012
Twisted Metal
Closure
Tekken Hybrid
Mind Move Benders
Persona 5
Hyperdimension Neptuna MK2
Ruin
Eyedentify
Sorcery
The Last Guardian
God of War untitled game
SingStar: The Wiggles
One Piece (Dynasty Warriors)
DanceStar Party
Sodium 2: Project Velocity
Hot Shots Golf 5
Sly 4
Move Fitness
Starhawk
Eight Days
Agent
Champions of time
Start the Party: Save the World
Go! Swizzleblock 2
Motion Fighters (working title)
Way of the Samurai 4

But that list is full of multipltforms (Ruin) and games that do not really exist (Eight days, God of War untitled game)

Is there a list with real games and real exclusives only ?

Also if i added games like Move Fitness or MLB The Show 2012 or SingStar: The Wiggles or One Piece DanceStar Party or Start the Party: Save the World or
Go! Swizzleblock 2 or Motion Fighters (working title), i could add the below for 360

Rush
Kinectalloons
Kinect Disneland Advantures
Boom Boom Dance
Doodle Jump
Happy Action Theatre

Bringing it to 16+6 = 22 exlusives

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Somehow the below PS3 games dont exite me much


MLB The Show 2012
Mind Move Benders
Eyedentify
SingStar: The Wiggles
DanceStar Party
Hot Shots Golf 5
Move Fitness
Start the Party: Save the World
Go! Swizzleblock 2
Motion Fighters (working title)

Especially when they dont even exist

Eight Days
God of War untitled game

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#47 immortality20
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All most people care about is Halo 4, rightfully so since I havent even heard of 80% of the others. In any case we all know 360 exceeds in multiplat sales because we have a huge install base that buy the games.

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#48 KiZZo1
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But that list is full of multipltforms (Ruin), Move games (Sorcery), games that do not really exist (Eight days, God of War untitled game)

loosingENDS

Ruin is multiplat on PS3/Vita, unlike your PC/360 multiplats like Minecraft and Fez which can be played on almost any PC. Which other of those games is multiplat?

Here's a link about God of War 2012 and for Eight Days. It's about as reliable as your information.

Move only and Kinect only games count in the metagame, right?

Is there a list with real games and real exclusives only ?

Also if i added games like Move Fitness or MLB The Show 2012 or SingStar: The Wiggles or One Piece DanceStar Party or Start the Party: Save the World or
Go! Swizzleblock 2 or Motion Fighters (working title), i could add the below for 360

Rush
Kinectalloons
Kinect Disneland Advantures
Boom Boom Dance
Doodle Jump
Happy Action Theatre

Bringing it to 16+6 = 22 exlusives

loosingENDS

Still not enough.

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#49 arbitor365
Member since 2009 • 2726 Posts

vapor ware, arcade titles, and PC multiplats

just keep living in your fantasy world

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#50 StrongDeadlift
Member since 2010 • 6073 Posts

vapor ware, arcade titles, and PC multiplats

just keep living in your fantasy world

arbitor365
This. Im not sure which is sadder....the actual list itself......or that people are this devoted to their console of choice that they pretend/force themselves to actually care about that garbage :lol: