Xbone won't lose its exclusives from now on

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#51 Posted by Cloud_imperium (2485 posts) -

@Desmonic said:

@RR360DD: Well, Ryse did sell 1 million >.>... Then again so did Knack....dat buyer awareness.

They did? I couldn't find any info on it. I did find solid info on DR3 and inFamous selling 1 million in 1 month. Shadow Fall passed 2 million (horrible), and it was stimated Forza 5 sold 1 million + aswell.

But i couldn't find concrete info on Ryse and Knack. Do yuo have a link?

Ryse sales are at 0.93 million ATM . I read about it like 2 days ago somewhere . I think it was on eurogamer but not sure .

#52 Posted by Desmonic (13388 posts) -

@Desmonic said:

@RR360DD: Well, Ryse did sell 1 million >.>... Then again so did Knack....dat buyer awareness.

They did? I couldn't find any info on it. I did find solid info on DR3 and inFamous selling 1 million in 1 month. Shadow Fall passed 2 million (horrible), and it was stimated Forza 5 sold 1 million + aswell.

But i couldn't find concrete info on Ryse and Knack. Do yuo have a link?

The Knack number I got from gaf, who did an educated "guesstimation" with the numbers from Japan+UK(these are the hardest ones to get right)+NPD. It's hard to tell how well/badly it sold in the rest of Europe. If it has not sold 1 million it's pretty close to it. Worst case scenario would already be above 900k.

Ryse I'm just assuming. I know it sold close to 500k in the first 2 months, so 500k in the following months doesn't strike me as something unfeasable. Of course, since Crytek complained about the lack of sales it's possible they dropped after those 2 initial months. Who knows.

#53 Posted by Shewgenja (8451 posts) -

You really have to wonder if the OP is trying to convince himself or us.

#54 Edited by 2Chalupas (5014 posts) -

@freedomfreak said:

I don't think so, considering it's Microsoft.

I don't see stuff like Infamous, Little Big Planet 3, Driveclub, Killzone, Knack, and others go to other platforms, because Sony has proper in-house developers. Same with Nintendo.

Sony's 1st party is constantly shrinking as it's not profitable, out of what you listed LBP3 is made by a studio for hire, Sumo Digital. They're making 360 port of Forza Horizon 2. You just invalidated your own point. I will re-emphasize what you tried to say. You implied Sony has proper in-house developers - then you listed LBP3 as its example.

Wait, what? Media Molecule is working on another game, so what does Sumo doing LBP3 have to do with "shrinking" 1st party? It actually frees up Media Molecule to create another new IP or whatever other project they are working on - presumably because they've had enough of LBP franchise themselves.

#55 Posted by blackace (20245 posts) -

@Salt_The_Fries said:

Sony's 1st party is constantly shrinking as it's not profitable, out of what you listed LBP3 is made by a studio for hire, Sumo Digital. They're making 360 port of Forza Horizon 2. You just invalidated your own point. I will re-emphasize what you tried to say. You implied Sony has proper in-house developers - then you listed LBP3 as its example.

Congrats. You managed to snag one out of the list.

Doesn't stop Sony from having studios that put out actual exclusives though, instead of paying developers for a game that will inevitably end up on other platforms.

Yes, but Sony had done the same thing in the past. Now all those 3rd party exclusives are gone to. Did you forget about Ace Combat, Ridge Racer, Tekken, Final Fantasy, Katimara Domacy, Devil May Cry, Kingdom Hearts, Tekken, Demon Souls, Dark Souls, Assassin's Creed, etc... All these game were either exclusive on PS or was suppose to be exclusive and now they are multiplat. So Microsoft isn't the only company have done this and then seen exclusives go to other platforms. The difference is most of M$ exclusive end up on the PC and not on the competing platform. Games like Halo 5, Forza 5, Forza Horizon 2, Fable Legends, Gears of War 5, Crackdown 3, etc.. won't be on any other platform.

#56 Posted by edwardecl (2103 posts) -
@zeeshanhaider said:

Who owns the Quantum Break IP? It's the only game I'm interested because it's made by Remedy.

Remedy.

Are you sure about that because Microsoft registered the trademark...

#57 Posted by freedomfreak (39125 posts) -
@blackace said:

Yes, but Sony had done the same thing in the past. Now all those 3rd party exclusives are gone to. Did you forget about Ace Combat, Ridge Racer, Tekken, Final Fantasy, Katimara Domacy, Devil May Cry, Kingdom Hearts, Tekken, Demon Souls, Dark Souls, Assassin's Creed, etc... All these game were either exclusive on PS or was suppose to be exclusive and now they are multiplat. So Microsoft isn't the only company have done this and then seen exclusives go to other platforms. The difference is most of M$ exclusive end up on the PC and not on the competing platform. Games like Halo 5, Forza 5, Forza Horizon 2, Fable Legends, Gears of War 5, Crackdown 3, etc.. won't be on any other platform.

There's exclusives in that list, btw. Assassin's Creed has never been exclusively on a Playstation platform. Like, the hell are you going on about?

You just enforced my point. I never denied Sony didn't do similar things. Also, I'm gonna need proof for all those listed that Sony paid for them to be on their platform, and that it wasn't just the publisher wanting it to be on the Ps2, for example.

#58 Posted by freedomfreak (39125 posts) -

Are you sure about that because Microsoft registered the trademark...

I got corrected earlier.

#59 Posted by Chutebox (36581 posts) -

@freedomfreak said:

@Salt_The_Fries said:

Sony's 1st party is constantly shrinking as it's not profitable, out of what you listed LBP3 is made by a studio for hire, Sumo Digital. They're making 360 port of Forza Horizon 2. You just invalidated your own point. I will re-emphasize what you tried to say. You implied Sony has proper in-house developers - then you listed LBP3 as its example.

Congrats. You managed to snag one out of the list.

Doesn't stop Sony from having studios that put out actual exclusives though, instead of paying developers for a game that will inevitably end up on other platforms.

Doesn't stop me from not caring about what exclusives they make. Apart from Naughty Dog, there's nothing special in there for me. And even if with Naughty Dog, there's nothing there to make me buy it.

Just wait and see for more games to materialize and then we can talk. There is new Gears of War game from Black Tusk which I'm beyond confident won't appear on PC, just like Fable Legends or Sunset Overdrive or Scalebound won't.

That has nothing to do with anything.

#60 Posted by Chutebox (36581 posts) -
@RR360DD said:

The exclusives served their purpose. People have bought an XOne for Dead Rising and Ryse (shocking, i know).

The console will be out almost a year by the time they make PC, they're old news and no use to MS anymore with all the new exclusives on the way. I know it damages teh consoles rep in System Wars (LOL) but in the real world it doesn't matter at all.

Pretty much this. Only matters in SW.

#61 Edited by mikhail (1092 posts) -

#62 Edited by B4X (3564 posts) -

X1 will continue to lose exclusives. "As your guys line of thinking would suggest" They were never going to be exclusive in the first place.

Microsoft likes money. Struggling financial companies should learn from this. With the price of developing AAA games now. You have to exhaust all profits.

The suits at Microsoft don't sit on possible profits. Investing in a studio/ game is way cheaper than producing an in house IP in todays gaming market. Pretty smart if you ask me.

Money!

#63 Posted by 2Chalupas (5014 posts) -

@blackace said:

@freedomfreak said:

@Salt_The_Fries said:

Sony's 1st party is constantly shrinking as it's not profitable, out of what you listed LBP3 is made by a studio for hire, Sumo Digital. They're making 360 port of Forza Horizon 2. You just invalidated your own point. I will re-emphasize what you tried to say. You implied Sony has proper in-house developers - then you listed LBP3 as its example.

Congrats. You managed to snag one out of the list.

Doesn't stop Sony from having studios that P1put out actual exclusives though, instead of paying developers for a game that will inevitably end up on other platforms.

Yes, but Sony had done the same thing in the past. Now all those 3rd party exclusives are gone to. Did you forget about Ace Combat, Ridge Racer, Tekken, Final Fantasy, Katimara Domacy, Devil May Cry, Kingdom Hearts, Tekken, Demon Souls, Dark Souls, Assassin's Creed, etc... All these game were either exclusive on PS or was suppose to be exclusive and now they are multiplat. So Microsoft isn't the only company have done this and then seen exclusives go to other platforms. The difference is most of M$ exclusive end up on the PC and not on the competing platform. Games like Halo 5, Forza 5, Forza Horizon 2, Fable Legends, Gears of War 5, Crackdown 3, etc.. won't be on any other platform.

PS1 and PS2 games weren't "exclusive" in the sense that Sony was doing anything contractually to make them exclusive. They were exclusive because the PS1 and PS2 franchises were the only dominant platform to put many of those games on. There are literally hundreds (if not thousands) of 'exclusive' PS1 and PS2 games - many from Japanese studios. There was no other reason for these games to be exclusive other Playstation was the natural place to put them, and there was no point in wasting even $1 to put them on anything but the dominant platform.

The economics are obviously very different now. If a game is on a single platform it stands out, and must be assumed the studio was paid to make the game either "timed exclusive" or they were contracted as 2nd party. The only way this changes, is if one platform takes a massive market share, or another platform falls into oblivion and becomes not worth supporting (which is what we are seeing with the Wii-U lack of 3rd party). So far, it seems like XB1 is still in the fight - at least to the point where it will get most multiplats. But with steam in the fold, you have to think the vast majority of multiplat games will always be on PC from here on out, so even if one console became dominant it would still probably get very few 3rd party exclusives as it would have to share with PC.

#64 Posted by KratosYOLOSwag (312 posts) -

Yes, it will. Sunset Overdrive and Quantum Break are almost guaranteed to go multiplat. There's also Phil Spencer promising more PC support.

After last gen this really shouldn't be surprising, lems were warned about this happening at the beginning of this gen too. If you want consoles that keep their exclusives, you go with the WII U and PS4, since almost all of their exclusives are made by 1st party studios. This is one of the main reasons I'm skipping on Xbox this gen, for the first time.

#65 Edited by Krelian-co (10365 posts) -

@freedomfreak said:
@zeeshanhaider said:

Who owns the Quantum Break IP? It's the only game I'm interested because it's made by Remedy.

Remedy.

So Quantum Break will pull an Alan Wake 100% guaranteed it. LOL Xbone.

#66 Posted by freedomfreak (39125 posts) -

So Quantum Break will pull an Alan Wake 100% guaranteed it. LOL Xbone.

The IP is owned by Microsoft.

#67 Posted by Jankarcop (8976 posts) -

Looks like dung.

#68 Posted by Gue1 (9492 posts) -

xbox has never been known for having exclusives anyway, that's why I laugh when I see lems trying to play the game of the xbone having more exclusives right now than the PS4. Last gen the 360 had some games that weren't on PS3 because some devs didn't want to program for it but now the xbone stands no chance against the PS4. It might as well disappear and make life easier for everyone by having less fragmentation in the market.

#69 Posted by Shielder7 (5151 posts) -

Does anyone have a list of what if any Xbone exclusives remained exclusive and not ported to the PC at some point?

Sony and Nintendo will never port their games to the PC, but a windows game is a windows game business wise once the hype dies down on a game it would be stupid not to port to the PC for MS.

#70 Posted by zeeshanhaider (2428 posts) -
#71 Posted by OhSnapitz (18100 posts) -

Sunset Overdrive Sigma will happen a year later, I'm sure. They're not going to miss out on what will be a vastly bigger audience.

Yup! And quantum theory will be heading to the PC. M$ doesn't have GREAT 1st party studios outside of 383..

#72 Posted by Jankarcop (8976 posts) -

Meh. The only worth playing games on xboner are better on pc....no point in buying it atm.

#73 Posted by cainetao11 (16845 posts) -

@freedomfreak: I don't see stuff like Infamous, Little Big Planet 3, Driveclub, Killzone, Knack, and others go to other platforms, because Sony has proper in-house developers. Same with Nintendo.

I definitely see that stuff going to psnow at some point and therefore losing its exclusivity.

#74 Posted by freedomfreak (39125 posts) -

I definitely see that stuff going to psnow at some point and therefore losing its exclusivity.

But how are they losing exclusivity?

#75 Posted by hoosier7 (3780 posts) -

I think you're right that the Xbone won't lose it's exclusives, it just won't be getting them in the first place. A few of the recent games gambled on the X1 taking off more than it did, it's simply too tough to pass up on the PS4 with so many more consoles out there. I can't see devs of games like Titanfall and Sunset Overdrive partnering with MS like they have in the future.

#76 Posted by cainetao11 (16845 posts) -

@Cloud_imperium: As @ghostwarrior786 said , Fable is owned by M$ but it also appears on PC . So , QB may appear on PC after some time . So far , they haven't said "NO" to PC version of the game . Things may become a bit more clear in interviews after gamescom demo .

Yes the first Fable is on PC. The first two halo's as well. I'm not waiting to play 3/4/ legends or halo 3/4/5 on PC. I'll play them when released. As for Quantum, I didn't wait with Alan Wake, shit sure not waiting on QB.

#77 Posted by ghostwarrior786 (3835 posts) -

@Cloud_imperium: As @ghostwarrior786 said , Fable is owned by M$ but it also appears on PC . So , QB may appear on PC after some time . So far , they haven't said "NO" to PC version of the game . Things may become a bit more clear in interviews after gamescom demo .

Yes the first Fable is on PC. The first two halo's as well. I'm not waiting to play 3/4/ legends or halo 3/4/5 on PC. I'll play them when released. As for Quantum, I didn't wait with Alan Wake, shit sure not waiting on QB.

fable 3 is on pc and yes im buying a x1 to play halo anyway but it would be nice if they were released on pc. alan wake is pretty shit but hopefully qb is better

#78 Posted by Bikouchu35 (7344 posts) -

I don't think so, considering it's Microsoft.

Its cause they keep shuttering or sabotaging all their studios.

#79 Posted by MrYaotubo (2630 posts) -

Yeah,you can bet that Sunset Overdrive and especially Quantum Break will be appearing on the PC at a later date.

#80 Posted by Kjranu (917 posts) -

It's not as if Ryse was a system seller.

#81 Edited by Shadowchronicle (25977 posts) -

It's pretty much always been this way with Microsoft games. They'll go to PC but people will know the games better for being on the console. You don't see many people talking about how they're gonna get Halo on the PC like you will with BF4 or CoD.

#82 Edited by ButDuuude (418 posts) -

@freedomfreak said:

I don't think so, considering it's Microsoft.

I don't see stuff like Infamous, Little Big Planet 3, Driveclub, Killzone, Knack, and others go to other platforms, because Sony has proper in-house developers. Same with Nintendo.

Sony's 1st party is constantly shrinking as it's not profitable, out of what you listed LBP3 is made by a studio for hire, Sumo Digital. They're making 360 port of Forza Horizon 2. You just invalidated your own point. I will re-emphasize what you tried to say. You implied Sony has proper in-house developers - then you listed LBP3 as its example.

Sony owns the Little Big Planet IP and Media Molecule, the studio that created the IP.

#83 Posted by cainetao11 (16845 posts) -

@cainetao11 said:

@Cloud_imperium: As @ghostwarrior786 said , Fable is owned by M$ but it also appears on PC . So , QB may appear on PC after some time . So far , they haven't said "NO" to PC version of the game . Things may become a bit more clear in interviews after gamescom demo .

Yes the first Fable is on PC. The first two halo's as well. I'm not waiting to play 3/4/ legends or halo 3/4/5 on PC. I'll play them when released. As for Quantum, I didn't wait with Alan Wake, shit sure not waiting on QB.

fable 3 is on pc and yes im buying a x1 to play halo anyway but it would be nice if they were released on pc. alan wake is pretty shit but hopefully qb is better

Yeah that's right. I have no desire to wait to play games, so if I can, I don't. Might as well wait for PSNow to come to PC then in order to play TLOU in 4K

#84 Edited by cainetao11 (16845 posts) -

@freedomfreak said:
@cainetao11 said:

I definitely see that stuff going to psnow at some point and therefore losing its exclusivity.

But how are they losing exclusivity?

Well TLOU isn't exclusive as its on PS3 and PS4. Look at the list of PS3 games now playable on PS4 through the PSNow beta. None are exclusive to the PS3 anymore. And when PSNow goes to Sony TVs, tablets and PCs as it was announced it would down the road, then when PS4 titles get to it, they will no longer be exclusive to PS4. That's how it works here at SW

#85 Posted by harry_james_pot (10541 posts) -

Yeah sure it won't... :P

#86 Posted by Shadowchronicle (25977 posts) -