X1 beats PS4 on Black Friday

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#1 Posted by clyde46 (46992 posts) -

Microsoft's new Xbox One console scooped up 31 per cent of all console sales at US big box stores Walmart and Target on Black Friday, according to figures published this weekend.

The Xbox One was the top dog, closely followed by its forebear the Xbox 360 which netted 30 per cent of sales thanks to some mega doorbuster deals on the traditional American shopping holiday.

The Sony PS3 earned the bronze medal with 15 per cent of sales, according to InfoScout, while the new Sony PS4 also took a 15 per cent slice of the pumpkin pie.

While, on the face of things, this looks like a big loss for Sony who's console is cheaper than Microsoft's, it's difficult to read too much into the figures.

Can't buy it if you can't find it

Firstly, Sony's console has been hampered by a lack of availability since its launch in the US on November 15. The company shifted over 1 million units in the first 24 hours, but since then the next-gen devices has been pretty hard to come by.

Secondly, as the device has been on sale a week longer than Microsoft's stateside, it's possible that the equivalent early adopters buying an Xbox One on Black Friday may have already picked up their PS4.

While the Sony PS4 vs Xbox One war won't be decided by occasions such as Black Friday, it's difficult not to worry for Nintendo's Wii U, now in its second year on sale.

InfoScout's data showed the Wii U picking up 6 per cent of sales, amid very few decent Black Friday deals. The 6-year old Wii, on the other hand, nabbed 5 per cent.

http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/xbox-one-was-the-big-winner-on-black-friday-but-does-it-really-mean-anything--1203923

#2 Posted by mems_1224 (47789 posts) -

http://kotaku.com/robbers-settle-for-ps4-when-gamestop-is-all-out-of-the-1474133489

excuses excuses. looks like the ps4 is plenty available in some places.

#3 Posted by Jynxzor (9312 posts) -

Until we see the final sales numbers sometime next year I'm taking little stock in anyone selling any ammount.

The lack of systems for Sony and the abundance for Microsoft may mean they are more neck and neck than many believe.

#4 Posted by megaspiderweb09 (3686 posts) -

There is no spin on generation 7 story, the PS4 will have the larger install base. That said, the margin would not be as wide as some are predicting

Note: We are in generation 7, not gen 8 as most people think. We perhaps need to correct specialist media on this

#5 Posted by XboxFails (81 posts) -

@megaspiderweb09 said:

There is no spin on generation 7 story, the PS4 will have the larger install base. That said, the margin would not be as wide as some are predicting

Note: We are in generation 7, not gen 8 as most people think. We perhaps need to correct specialist media on this

The Xbone is looking like the Wii U and Vita. Strong sales for the first few months, then a sales crash afterwards.

#6 Edited by Daious (1803 posts) -

Really? Did we look at the source?

"Microsoft’s Xbox One was the most popular video game console on Black Friday, according to a survey of early shoppers by shopping market research firm InfoScout."

If you read more the infoscout thing was a survey.

The charts that show Xboxone and Xbox 360 are survey. It even says so on the source.

"InfoScout's survey of Black Friday sales shows Xbox One at the top at Target and Walmart."

They just questioned shoppers.

Survey Wars.

#7 Edited by danabo (2474 posts) -

@megaspiderweb09 said:

There is no spin on generation 7 story, the PS4 will have the larger install base. That said, the margin would not be as wide as some are predicting

Note: We are in generation 7, not gen 8 as most people think. We perhaps need to correct specialist media on this

Hmm.

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/the-generation-game-30917647/

#8 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38218 posts) -

@XboxFails said:

The Xbone is looking like the Wii U and Vita. Strong sales for the first few months, then a sales crash afterwards.

The system isn't out nearly long enough to make stupid assumptions like that

#9 Edited by XboxFails (81 posts) -

@seanmcloughlin said:

@XboxFails said:

The Xbone is looking like the Wii U and Vita. Strong sales for the first few months, then a sales crash afterwards.

The system isn't out nearly long enough to make stupid assumptions like that

Xbone is the first console in the history of video games to NOT sell-out on launch day.

#10 Posted by tormentos (19248 posts) -

@daious said:

Really? Did we look at the source?

"Microsoft’s Xbox One was the most popular video game console on Black Friday, according to a survey of early shoppers by shopping market research firm InfoScout."

If you read more the infoscout thing was a survey.

The charts that show Xboxone and Xbox 360 are survey. It even says so on the source.

"InfoScout's survey of Black Friday sales shows Xbox One at the top at Target and Walmart."

They just questioned shoppers.

Survey Wars.

Thread..

#11 Edited by Eddie-Vedder (7800 posts) -

PS4 is sold out everywhere, I really hope I can find one before Christmas...

#12 Edited by ronvalencia (15245 posts) -

@XboxFails said:

@seanmcloughlin said:

@XboxFails said:

The Xbone is looking like the Wii U and Vita. Strong sales for the first few months, then a sales crash afterwards.

The system isn't out nearly long enough to make stupid assumptions like that

Xbone is the first console in the history of video games to NOT sell-out on launch day.

What happed to the Wii U or 3DO?

#13 Posted by tdkmillsy (1593 posts) -

@XboxFails said:

@seanmcloughlin said:

@XboxFails said:

The Xbone is looking like the Wii U and Vita. Strong sales for the first few months, then a sales crash afterwards.

The system isn't out nearly long enough to make stupid assumptions like that

Xbone is the first console in the history of video games to NOT sell-out on launch day.

Are you having a laugh, the wii u sold out in the UK selling a massive 40k units. The Xbox One and PS4 are selling millions. Launch days mean shit.

You can buy PS4 and Xbox One's if you look hard enough, none will sell out everywhere. Supply comes and goes all the time.

#14 Edited by megaspiderweb09 (3686 posts) -

@danabo said:

@megaspiderweb09 said:

There is no spin on generation 7 story, the PS4 will have the larger install base. That said, the margin would not be as wide as some are predicting

Note: We are in generation 7, not gen 8 as most people think. We perhaps need to correct specialist media on this

Hmm.

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/the-generation-game-30917647/

Where are your sources?

Mine is from multiple researched academic books and journals, even historical essays from industry veterans who worked for Atari back in the day. heck even Wikipedia has it correct, where in the world did you guys calculate your console generation from

#15 Posted by KarateeeChop (4666 posts) -

damn, looks like the ps3's failure is now affecting sony's next console as well. :(

#16 Posted by LJS9502_basic (151851 posts) -

Haven't seen any PS4s in stores since launch TBH....

#17 Edited by danabo (2474 posts) -

@megaspiderweb09 said:

@danabo said:

@megaspiderweb09 said:

There is no spin on generation 7 story, the PS4 will have the larger install base. That said, the margin would not be as wide as some are predicting

Note: We are in generation 7, not gen 8 as most people think. We perhaps need to correct specialist media on this

Hmm.

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/the-generation-game-30917647/

Where are your sources?

Mine is from multiple researched academic books and journals, even historical essays from industry veterans who worked for Atari back in the day. heck even Wikipedia has it correct, where in the world did you guys calculate your console generation from

From WIki:

  • 1 First generation (1972–1980)
  • 2 Second generation (1976–1983)
  • 3 Third generation (1983–1987)
  • 4 Fourth generation (1987–1995)
  • 5 Fifth generation (1993–2000)
  • 6 Sixth generation (1998–2004)
  • 7 Seventh generation (2005-2011)
  • 8 Eighth generation (2012–present)
#18 Posted by ccagracing (818 posts) -

Bit of a pointless thread as not all retailers report figures, even NPD don't get all the figures. The only sales figures of note are what get released to the shareholders in the quarterly and annual reports. The PS4 has a better chance of selling more as it's a lower price point, however look how well the iPad sells compared to the galaxy tab series which cost considerably less.

#19 Posted by AmazonTreeBoa (16745 posts) -

@megaspiderweb09 said:

There is no spin on generation 7 story, the PS4 will have the larger install base. That said, the margin would not be as wide as some are predicting

Note: We are in generation 7, not gen 8 as most people think. We perhaps need to correct specialist media on this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_console

#20 Edited by VintagePower (14 posts) -

Is this a serious thread?

IF these PR numbers are to be believed

You WANT to know WHY the xbone was able to sell "more" durring Black Friday?

Because they were more previously UNWANTED xbones sitting on shelfes for people to buy lol

It is still the first batch of xbone shipments being sold through etc

Where as every first batch of PS4 shipments sold out with a quickness.

PS4s were sold out every where...because people actually wanted a PS4 more then anything......

Sony did ship a lot of PS4s, but the demand for the PS4 is something like we have never seen before.

BUT just wait until Sony can release the second batch of shipments for the PS4.....they will sell out like hot cakes again.....

The PS4 is much much much MORE in demand....

I bet the people who bought an xbone on Black Friday were desperate too and probably arent even that much into games either...just bought it for the special deals etc....

I agree 100% with who said that the xbone will be like the Wii-U (strong intial sales then a huge drop off in interest etc) Thats going to be the case..

Now that Sony sees this news, they are going to ramp up shipments of the PS4 though...they wont let Microsoft rest on any kind of advantage

#21 Edited by Daious (1803 posts) -

@tormentos said:

@daious said:

Really? Did we look at the source?

"Microsoft’s Xbox One was the most popular video game console on Black Friday, according to a survey of early shoppers by shopping market research firm InfoScout."

If you read more the infoscout thing was a survey.

The charts that show Xboxone and Xbox 360 are survey. It even says so on the source.

"InfoScout's survey of Black Friday sales shows Xbox One at the top at Target and Walmart."

They just questioned shoppers.

Survey Wars.

Thread..

I don't know how its still going

#22 Posted by Animal-Mother (26985 posts) -

Unfortunately no one will read this

While the Sony PS4 vs Xbox One war won't be decided by occasions such as Black Friday, it's difficult not to worry for Nintendo's Wii U, now in its second year on sale.

#23 Edited by Trail_Mix (2021 posts) -

I suppose it's true. I mean, I went out of town to a nearby Target on Friday. I was surprised to see at least 8 PS4s still available there, while all the Xbones seemed to be gone.

I guess that "lack of availability" for the PS4 wasn't an issue here where I live.

#24 Posted by I_can_haz (6551 posts) -

Nice to see lems still clinging to hope. Keep fighting the good fight guys but it's inevitable PS4 has won.

#25 Posted by megaspiderweb09 (3686 posts) -

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

@megaspiderweb09 said:

There is no spin on generation 7 story, the PS4 will have the larger install base. That said, the margin would not be as wide as some are predicting

Note: We are in generation 7, not gen 8 as most people think. We perhaps need to correct specialist media on this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_console

That is weird, i could have sworn the last time i checked it on Wiki had it differently. I will take page snaps of the other sources i mentioned

#26 Posted by XboxDone74 (2047 posts) -

lol no. all the major retail outlets reported ps4 destroyed the bone. the domination has won.

#27 Posted by JohnF111 (14103 posts) -

Xbox costs more = more profit.

/thread

#28 Edited by Animal-Mother (26985 posts) -

@Trail_Mix said:

I suppose it's true. I mean, I went out of town to a nearby Target on Friday. I was surprised to see at least 8 PS4s still available there, while all the Xbones seemed to be gone.

I guess that "lack of availability" for the PS4 wasn't an issue here where I live.

It's very bizarre from area to area. And it's sad that fanboys extrapolate this information in the wrong way, but demographics show certain areas will buy more of X over Y. I can't find a PS4 round these parts but I can find plenty of ones.

#29 Edited by cainetao11 (18297 posts) -

Its a good move by Sony. Create demand by limiting supply

#30 Posted by magicalclick (23222 posts) -

I am quite surprised to hear people able to find PS4 or Xbox One in their area. I expect them to be scarce until February.

#31 Edited by babycakin (1603 posts) -

I love desperate lemmings trying to find any article in favor of X bone lol.

#32 Posted by PSdual_wielder (10646 posts) -

@JohnF111 said:

Xbox costs more = more profit.

/thread

that's not what the term means lol

#33 Posted by heretrix (37475 posts) -

@XboxFails said:

@seanmcloughlin said:

@XboxFails said:

The Xbone is looking like the Wii U and Vita. Strong sales for the first few months, then a sales crash afterwards.

The system isn't out nearly long enough to make stupid assumptions like that

Xbone is the first console in the history of video games to NOT sell-out on launch day.

Which means jack shit since both Sony and Microsoft broke launch day sales records. There is no loser here, stop trying to make one.

#34 Posted by lamprey263 (24654 posts) -

I don't think Sony stocked US retailers that heavily leading up to Black Friday given the EU launch was planned at the same time they probably needed the inventory there instead.

#35 Edited by stereointegrity (10763 posts) -

both best buys i went too had xbones and no ps4's....so maybe it sold more because there were more available

#36 Posted by Speak_Low (1156 posts) -

@clyde46 said:

Can't buy it if you can't find it

Firstly, Sony's console has been hampered by a lack of availability since its launch in the US on November 15. The company shifted over 1 million units in the first 24 hours, but since then the next-gen devices has been pretty hard to come by.

Secondly, as the device has been on sale a week longer than Microsoft's stateside, it's possible that the equivalent early adopters buying an Xbox One on Black Friday may have already picked up their PS4.

While the Sony PS4 vs Xbox One war won't be decided by occasions such as Black Friday, it's difficult not to worry for Nintendo's Wii U, now in its second year on sale.

InfoScout's data showed the Wii U picking up 6 per cent of sales, amid very few decent Black Friday deals. The 6-year old Wii, on the other hand, nabbed 5 per cent.

Wii Uh-Oh fails at everything

#37 Edited by Shewgenja (9961 posts) -

Dat survey.

#38 Posted by Douevenlift_bro (5245 posts) -

@daious said:

Really? Did we look at the source?

"Microsoft’s Xbox One was the most popular video game console on Black Friday, according to a survey of early shoppers by shopping market research firm InfoScout."

If you read more the infoscout thing was a survey.

The charts that show Xboxone and Xbox 360 are survey. It even says so on the source.

"InfoScout's survey of Black Friday sales shows Xbox One at the top at Target and Walmart."

They just questioned shoppers.

Survey Wars.

Oh boy. /Thread

Cmon Clyde, you know better...

#39 Edited by Joedgabe (5131 posts) -

Where did they buy the consoles... ? there's not a single PS4 or X1 available in any store near me. They all say "Sold out, please check again for updates"

Though i imagine they're holding back stock for Xmas shopping in December.

#40 Posted by bbkkristian (14967 posts) -

I'm sure you can find ps4s worth >30% than they are worth on eBay.

#41 Edited by seanmcloughlin (38218 posts) -

@megaspiderweb09 said:

That is weird, i could have sworn the last time i checked it on Wiki had it differently. I will take page snaps of the other sources i mentioned

Been like that for as long as I remember. You hardly think everyone including specialist media would be calling it gen 8 if it wasn't?

#42 Posted by kennyviper2 (7 posts) -

There were a ton of XBOX One's available yesterday at GameStop, Wal-Mart, and Best Buy here in Myrtle Beach. However every time I asked about PS4 it was the same answer:

"We had some on the initial launch, and had some for Black Friday but those sold out within minutes of opening." (paraphrased of course).

When I asked how many they had received, most of the retailers said between 10-15.

One of the GameStops that I called refused told me they had no PS4's in stock, but then said "we'll be able to answer your question much better in store." So I drove up there to find out they DID have some, and they were all gone. !!

#43 Posted by Bren128 (2353 posts) -

@mems_1224: Really because my town has NONE. Plenty of ones though. 62526 is my zip code btw.

#44 Posted by RoOodriGowW (3309 posts) -

@mems_1224 said:

http://kotaku.com/robbers-settle-for-ps4-when-gamestop-is-all-out-of-the-1474133489

excuses excuses. looks like the ps4 is plenty available in some places.

Go home son, the war is over.

#45 Posted by YD_11 (1866 posts) -

It's should be no surprise that whoever ships more will sell more in the US during the holidays. The actual numbers will provide hot discussions here on SW if those surveys hold true, though

#46 Posted by mems_1224 (47789 posts) -

@Bren128 said:

@mems_1224: Really because my town has NONE. Plenty of ones though. 62526 is my zip code btw.

do you live in some redneck town in the middle of nowhere or something?

#47 Posted by Bren128 (2353 posts) -

@mems_1224: I live in Decatur IL. Around 80,000 people. Decent enough.

#48 Posted by Ackad (3183 posts) -

Come on TC. Come on

#49 Edited by megaspiderweb09 (3686 posts) -

@seanmcloughlin: It is rather weird though, cause if Prof at Silicon think its 7 gens, then something must be off somewhere. Interesting non the less

#50 Edited by EnviousEyezOnMe (260 posts) -

@lamprey263 said:

I don't think Sony stocked US retailers that heavily leading up to Black Friday given the EU launch was planned at the same time they probably needed the inventory there instead.

That's using common sense, which seems to lack in these forums. MS was already boxing and ready to roll out X1's back on Sept. 4. God forbid they were more prepared and produced more systems than Sony.

http://majornelson.com/2013/09/04/the-first-xbox-one-consoles-starting-their-journey/