Windows 8 vs Windows 7: Dispelling myths.

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#-49 Posted by hexashadow13 (5157 posts) -
[QUOTE="Plagueless"][QUOTE="JohnF111"][QUOTE="Plagueless"] Fair enough, I can see that. However what I don't understand is people building new PC's with Windows 7.

That's like people getting a tablet with Windows 7 on it. It just isn't designed for tablets or touch screens in general, why would anyone want to use a touch screen orientated UI on a desktop? It's not good no matter what MS does it won't make it any better. I honestly am having trouble understanding why MS can't simply support two UIs and give us a choice of which one we want to use, they already have both UIs created, both are well integrated, both are technically already installed in Windows 8 so what is stopping MS from doing what companies are now charging for and enaing the start button. It's not difficult.

Because it's not a touch-screen oriented UI......*facepalm* It's a desktop UI that happens to have many features that came from touch interfaces, like big tiles and sliding menus. This doesn't make it bad to use on desktop. The world is changing and digging through drop-down file menus is a thing of the past.

I agree with this. I mean for example everyone complaining about the start menu and the big tiles that replaced it being for tablets doesn't really get it I think. Most people using Win 7 just opened up the start menu and then typed in the name of what they wanted, unless it was something they used a lot and it was one of the pinned programs. With the new start screen, you can still do that, but now you have a lot more room and control over what's pinned and where, and ultimately that makes it easier to click as well. It's also a lot more stylish imo. :P
#-48 Posted by Plagueless (2569 posts) -

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

there is not a single benefit for me to switch compared to my curent win 7 64. Absolutely nothing. I'm not going to get it and then use 3rd party software to turn it back into win7 just so I can enjoy something I already had

Midnightshade29

This... and why is TC so hell bent on defending MS OS? You own stock tc? You work for MS?

Lol, it's because everyone seems to hate on W8 even though 90% of them either haven't tried it or have no clue what they are talking about.

And no, I don't own MS stock. They're the only company that makes an OS worth a damn for gaming though. And I am on GAMEspot. :roll:

#-47 Posted by 04dcarraher (19013 posts) -

From my personal experience, Windows 8 as a desktop OS is junk compared to 7. Having to shuffle your way through metro to get to certain places and features, Major lack of backwards compatibility for older games compared to 7. Every XP era game I tried had graphical glitches or wouldn't run at all while using latest drivers. Once back to 7 all issues were gone. With Win 8 they removed alot of the legacy coding that makes older programs and games work.

#-46 Posted by hexashadow13 (5157 posts) -
From my personal experience, Windows 8 as a desktop OS is junk compared to 7. Having to shuffle your way through metro to get to certain places and features, Major lack of backwards compatibility for older games compared to 7. Every XP era game I tried had graphical glitches or wouldn't run at all while using latest drivers. Once back to 7 all issues were gone. With Win 8 they remove many legacy coding that makes older programs and games work. 04dcarraher
Shuffle your way to get where? I don't see any major issues. I have also not had any issues with any games so far in Win8, but that's anecdotal evidence which doesn't really matter so whtv.
#-45 Posted by LazyKAE89 (11 posts) -

With my 1 month experience with Windows 8 I can say it's much better than Windows 7, especially if you have Start8 which is very customizable. Win8 just looks and performs hell of a lot better! I'm with the OP. I don't understand how anybody could get a slow Win7 when you can get the latest supported Win8 OS which is cheaper if you download and create a disc.

#-44 Posted by GioVela2010 (4017 posts) -

there is not a single benefit for me to switch compared to my curent win 7 64. Absolutely nothing. I'm not going to get it and then use 3rd party software to turn it back into win7 just so I can enjoy something I already had

wis3boi
Sure there is, Windows 8 does practically everything faster. Check the benchmarks
#-43 Posted by AmazonTreeBoa (16501 posts) -
Hey TC, guess what. I just ordered Windows 7 for the new PC I am building and it will be here Saturday. Deal with it.
#-42 Posted by hexashadow13 (5157 posts) -
Hey TC, guess what. I just ordered Windows 7 for the new PC I am building and it will be here Saturday. Deal with it.AmazonTreeBoa
Your loss.
#-41 Posted by Pray_to_me (2738 posts) -

After all the FUD I was scared as hell to upgrade to Windows 8 thinking that it would make my PC a tablet and what not but I upgraded anyway cuz I wanted the $40 deal.

Honestly the metro screen thing is not a big friggan deal at all. First of all the meto button thing is right at the bottom left corner where the start button was. Instead of a little menu you get a big screan that you can customize however you like. That's it. Every thing else is pretty much the same.

It's slightly faster and slightly less pretty then Windows 7 was. Kinda like the jump from Vista to 7.

For 40 bucks, was very nearly worth it.

#-40 Posted by KarateeeChop (4590 posts) -

i was pleasantly surprised by how much faster windows 8 was than 7.

#-39 Posted by jer_1 (7425 posts) -

It's a pretty annoying OS to learn initially. All I can say is thank god for Classic Shell! I do like how fast it is to turn on and shut down, other than that the metro apps all generally blow, ti's hardly a benefit to have for how useless or inflexible a vast majority of the apps are.

I give it a definite thumbs up for performance but as I said it is an annoying OS to use at first.

#-38 Posted by RyviusARC (4118 posts) -

Windows 8 has more issues with games.

I am happy with Windows 7 and even when I build a new computer a year or so later I will use Windows 7.

#-37 Posted by 04dcarraher (19013 posts) -

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]From my personal experience, Windows 8 as a desktop OS is junk compared to 7. Having to shuffle your way through metro to get to certain places and features, Major lack of backwards compatibility for older games compared to 7. Every XP era game I tried had graphical glitches or wouldn't run at all while using latest drivers. Once back to 7 all issues were gone. With Win 8 they remove many legacy coding that makes older programs and games work. hexashadow13
Shuffle your way to get where? I don't see any major issues. I have also not had any issues with any games so far in Win8, but that's anecdotal evidence which doesn't really matter so whtv.

denial of the issues isnt an example

#-36 Posted by ZombieKiller7 (6194 posts) -

System Wars : Windows Edition

lol

Well, although I'm a little leery of Windows 8 as a technologist I have to be flexible and learn every OS I can get my hands on so, yeah Windows 8 will be on my next desktop.

MS won't change course and eventually we'll all be forced to upgrade for compatibility so might as well do it sooner rather than later.

#-35 Posted by AmazonTreeBoa (16501 posts) -
[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]Hey TC, guess what. I just ordered Windows 7 for the new PC I am building and it will be here Saturday. Deal with it.hexashadow13
Your loss.

:lol: Sure I do. :roll:
#-34 Posted by hexashadow13 (5157 posts) -

[QUOTE="hexashadow13"][QUOTE="04dcarraher"]From my personal experience, Windows 8 as a desktop OS is junk compared to 7. Having to shuffle your way through metro to get to certain places and features, Major lack of backwards compatibility for older games compared to 7. Every XP era game I tried had graphical glitches or wouldn't run at all while using latest drivers. Once back to 7 all issues were gone. With Win 8 they remove many legacy coding that makes older programs and games work. 04dcarraher

Shuffle your way to get where? I don't see any major issues. I have also not had any issues with any games so far in Win8, but that's anecdotal evidence which doesn't really matter so whtv.

denial of the issues isnt an example

You have not provided any concrete issues for me to provide examples contrary to, or deny for that matter.
#-33 Posted by Gue1 (9178 posts) -

I've been using Windows 8 for 6 months and honestly it's not worth the upgrade unless you get it for free. Win8 boots faster and it has an integrated ISO reader (Daemon tools works better though) and that is it... It's just another pointles Windows upgrade. =/

#-32 Posted by Blake135 (3994 posts) -

I just got Windows 7 I doubt Ill get Windows 8 anytime soon, more interested in seeing Valve's Steambox OS.

#-31 Posted by Phazevariance (10909 posts) -

I am loving windows 8 so far, its faster than 7 in every manor even if only slightly. Boot time is way faster. Functionality is perfect and runs everything windows 7 does. Games run equally as fast. overall it definately feels like a decent upgrade and its worth the price for $40. If you're savvy enough you can get it for just $16 even.

#-30 Posted by MBirdy88 (7216 posts) -

Man I'm pretty happy with my Win7... actually I don't like the way MS went with Win8. It looks like tablet or something... all these widgets and stuff, overall feels like casual OS.
If I'll have to upgrade from Win7 most probably I'll go with Linux. Considering how popular Linux is becomming day after day, then it's free.. open and powerfull, and many devs now release a Linux version of the game aswell. I believe in the next few years Linux will grow a lot and will become mainstream and very userfriendly

V3rciS

Your living in a fantasy world. Linux is not even remotely popular to consumers and never will be based on its nature of its design and community. and to say games are being made for it is a joke.... a bigger joke than mac vs windows on the gaming scene, even then mac is more likely to get more.

Oh and, they are not "widgets" they are software in which an icon can display information like a widget. for gods sake.

#-29 Posted by GamerwillzPS (8530 posts) -

Metro is what putting me off.

I know you can switch to the desktop on Windows 8, but there's no Start menu. I don't want to go and add an app to get the Start menu to appear. I just want it already installed. I've tried Windows 8 on a display laptop at Tesco and it's just pure awful.

The only thing I like about Windows 8 is improved performance and native USB 3.0 support. It's a shame that such a big change to the interface is stopping me from upgrading. If it's Windows as we know it, with traditional interface and all, I would definitely have upgraded by now.

Linux is looking bright for the future, indeed, unless Microsoft get their f**king act together.

#-28 Posted by MBirdy88 (7216 posts) -

Metro is what putting me off.

I know you can switch to the desktop on Windows 8, but there's no Start menu. I don't want to go and add an app to get the Start menu to appear. I just want it already installed. I've tried Windows 8 on a display laptop at Tesco and it's just pure awful.

The only thing I like about Windows 8 is improved performance and native USB 3.0 support. It's a shame that such a big change to the interface is stopping me from upgrading. If it's Windows as we know it, with traditional interface and all, I would definitely have upgraded by now.

Linux is looking bright for the future, indeed, unless Microsoft get their f**king act together.

GamerwillzPS
So... I know preference is key. but trying it for a few mins in tescos and not liking it because it "appears" not to be fluid is a joke of a basis? Are we going to be stuck with the current windows OS forever because people forgot that something new has to be re-learned?
#-27 Posted by kuraimen (28078 posts) -
Ewww Windows
#-26 Posted by SNIPER4321 (10142 posts) -

Windows 8 is a Piece of trash. I still use Win 7.

and WTF?? win 8 looks like xbox dashboard. lol

#-25 Posted by hexashadow13 (5157 posts) -

Metro is what putting me off.

I know you can switch to the desktop on Windows 8, but there's no Start menu. I don't want to go and add an app to get the Start menu to appear. I just want it already installed. I've tried Windows 8 on a display laptop at Tesco and it's just pure awful.

The only thing I like about Windows 8 is improved performance and native USB 3.0 support. It's a shame that such a big change to the interface is stopping me from upgrading. If it's Windows as we know it, with traditional interface and all, I would definitely have upgraded by now.

Linux is looking bright for the future, indeed, unless Microsoft get their f**king act together.

GamerwillzPS
Why do you like the old start menu better than the new one?
#-24 Posted by hexashadow13 (5157 posts) -
and WTF?? win 8 looks like xbox dashboard. lolSNIPER4321
Not really. No ads. And you can customize it a good amount.
#-23 Posted by PresidentLogan (245 posts) -

Sorry for not being bothered to look it up but do you need a touch screen monitor for Windows 8 when just using it purely as a desktop OS? Or is it just supposed to be for tablets and laptops?

Do most Video Games (example those around 3-4 years old) run on a W8 Desktop or is it only the latest releases?

#-22 Posted by hexashadow13 (5157 posts) -

Sorry for not being bothered to look it up but do you need a touch screen monitor for Windows 8 when just using it purely as a desktop OS? Or is it just supposed to be for tablets and laptops?

Do most Video Games (example those around 3-4 years old) run on a W8 Desktop or is it only the latest releases?

PresidentLogan
It works fine without a touchscreen. 3-4 year old games work fine. You'll probably have issues with games designed for pre-XP though.
#-21 Posted by MK-Professor (3638 posts) -

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Zophar87"]

Windows 8 boots faster, runs better, runs games better and shuts down faster. Not much to complain about.

Plagueless

Proof it runs games better?

It's less resource-hungry. While you won't see any noticeable improvement in most games, in CPU-heavy games like RTS's and Simulators you can usually expect a 10 FPS improvement with Windows 8.

proof or it didn't happen

#-20 Posted by KungfuKitten (20676 posts) -

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]It does absolutely nothing for me to need the upgrade. Plagueless
Fair enough, I can see that. However what I don't understand is people building new PC's with Windows 7.

Windows store and account integration are some of the reasons for people to stick to Windows 7.
I.e. fear of MS closing the platform. Limiting what you can get away with on PC. People don't want all information conveniently linked together or to have the PC decide everything for them. They want a certain amount of freedom and feel that windows 8 is threatening it. This is not a completely ridiculous consideration, seeing as several game developers have said they do not like what they see.

#-19 Posted by hexashadow13 (5157 posts) -
[QUOTE="Plagueless"][QUOTE="tagyhag"]It does absolutely nothing for me to need the upgrade. KungfuKitten
Fair enough, I can see that. However what I don't understand is people building new PC's with Windows 7.

Windows store and account integration are some of the reasons for people to stick to Windows 7.

Neither of which you have to use.
#-18 Posted by YoshiYogurt (5952 posts) -
Windows 8 is awful, even the original desktop part is effed up. Bo start menu....WTF? Windows 7 for me until they decide to make a REAL OS.
#-17 Posted by KungfuKitten (20676 posts) -

[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"][QUOTE="Plagueless"] Fair enough, I can see that. However what I don't understand is people building new PC's with Windows 7.hexashadow13
Windows store and account integration are some of the reasons for people to stick to Windows 7.

Neither of which you have to use.

Sorry I was still updating my post. It's not so much that you don't have to use them now, it's that you may be pushed to use them in the future. They are implementing features that give some people digital claustrophobia.
There is legitimate concern that digital stores outside of Microsofts own will be hampered by all the new possible ways they introduced to do just that.

#-16 Posted by guard12 (1657 posts) -

I will admit I am interested in Windows 8 but I am afraid to upgrade in case I hate the change :?

#-15 Posted by XaosII (16523 posts) -

Windows 8 is awful, even the original desktop part is effed up. Bo start menu....WTF? Windows 7 for me until they decide to make a REAL OS.YoshiYogurt

Whats awful about it? Everything about it has been imporved from Windows 7.

#-14 Posted by JohnF111 (14014 posts) -
[QUOTE="Plagueless"][QUOTE="JohnF111"][QUOTE="Plagueless"] Fair enough, I can see that. However what I don't understand is people building new PC's with Windows 7.

That's like people getting a tablet with Windows 7 on it. It just isn't designed for tablets or touch screens in general, why would anyone want to use a touch screen orientated UI on a desktop? It's not good no matter what MS does it won't make it any better. I honestly am having trouble understanding why MS can't simply support two UIs and give us a choice of which one we want to use, they already have both UIs created, both are well integrated, both are technically already installed in Windows 8 so what is stopping MS from doing what companies are now charging for and enaing the start button. It's not difficult.

Because it's not a touch-screen oriented UI......*facepalm* HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! :lol::lol:.

I'm sorry my laughing was so loud I couldn't read anything over my laughter. You're telling me Metro isn't a tablet UI? That's a joke right there, just because the tiles can be made smaller and clicked with a mouse doesn't instantly make it a desktop UI, that just means it works on a desktop.
#-13 Posted by XaosII (16523 posts) -

I'm sorry my laughing was so loud I couldn't read anything over my laughter. You're telling me Metro isn't a tablet UI? That's a joke right there, just because the tiles can be made smaller and clicked with a mouse doesn't instantly make it a desktop UI, that just means it works on a desktop.JohnF111

Theres one and only one correct way of using the start menu: You hit the windows key and type the first 3 or 4 letters of the application you want and you hit enter.

This is the most efficient way to use the start menu. It has been so with Vista, Windows 7, and Windows 8. So how exactly is it that the start meunus that has identical usability in windows 8 is worse?

#-12 Posted by 04dcarraher (19013 posts) -
[QUOTE="PresidentLogan"]

Sorry for not being bothered to look it up but do you need a touch screen monitor for Windows 8 when just using it purely as a desktop OS? Or is it just supposed to be for tablets and laptops?

Do most Video Games (example those around 3-4 years old) run on a W8 Desktop or is it only the latest releases?

hexashadow13
It works fine without a touchscreen. 3-4 year old games work fine. You'll probably have issues with games designed for pre-XP though.

not just pre xp but during xp's life too
#-11 Posted by 04dcarraher (19013 posts) -

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"]Windows 8 is awful, even the original desktop part is effed up. Bo start menu....WTF? Windows 7 for me until they decide to make a REAL OS.XaosII

Everything about it has been imporved from Windows 7.

Lol, no . The UI and legacy coding has been jacked up.
#-10 Posted by 04dcarraher (19013 posts) -

[QUOTE="JohnF111"] I'm sorry my laughing was so loud I couldn't read anything over my laughter. You're telling me Metro isn't a tablet UI? That's a joke right there, just because the tiles can be made smaller and clicked with a mouse doesn't instantly make it a desktop UI, that just means it works on a desktop.XaosII

Theres one and only one correct way of using the start menu: You hit the windows key and type the first 3 or 4 letters of the application you want and you hit enter.

This is the most efficient way to use the start menu. It has been so with Vista, Windows 7, and Windows 8. So how exactly is it that the start meunus that has identical usability in windows 8 is worse?

Windows 8 does not have the identical usability of its older predecessors. it takes longer to find things, you have to switch back and forward to get to certain features and options. Its a hassle.
#-9 Posted by PresidentLogan (245 posts) -

I am uneducated on the subject compared to you all but I think I'll stick to the more tablet touch screen suited windows 8 to .... well tablets and stick with W7 on desktop. Laptops I'm not sure, depdns on price I think.

#-8 Posted by XaosII (16523 posts) -

Windows 8 does not have the identical usability of its older predecessors. it takes longer to find things, you have to switch back and forward to get to certain features and options. Its a hassle. 04dcarraher

Uh... Thats awfully nondescript and untrue.

At worst, it "takes longer" because it has moved to a different location but it would take the same or fewer steps/clicks to perform the same action. Its not a hassle. You just havent figured out how to properly use it.

#-7 Posted by cryemocry (835 posts) -

i thought windows 8 was supposed to play xbox360 games? lol remember that rumor

#-6 Posted by KalDurenik (3768 posts) -
Happy with windows 7 also i play lots of older games... After having a friend upgrade to windows 8 and then heard of all the problems he had when trying to play his older games... Nah i will stick to windows 7. I also dont like the metro ui. Also had a casual user that dont live to far away from me ask me about windows 8 when he bought a new computer. He simply did not understand metro and after trying to show him for a while he told me to reinstall windows 7 for him...
#-5 Posted by 04dcarraher (19013 posts) -

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]Windows 8 does not have the identical usability of its older predecessors. it takes longer to find things, you have to switch back and forward to get to certain features and options. Its a hassle. XaosII

Uh... Thats awfully nondescript and untrue.

At worst, it "takes longer" because it has moved to a different location but it would take the same or fewer steps/clicks to perform the same action. Its not a hassle. You just havent figured out how to properly use it.

lol, nope it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out metro, most options and features are out of the way taking longer to find thats called being hassled as a desktop OS 8 just plain sucks some just don't want to see the truth. Ive played around with Win 8's developer previews and had the real thing and trust me people that state "You just havent figured out how to properly use it" are just plain wrong and are probably just casual users.
#-4 Posted by the_delta (432 posts) -

Maybe this has been covered already, but here is how to bypass the login/password screen when starting your Windows 8 PC:

When in the Modern UI environment, type netplwiz. This will automatically open the search panel and should return one single hit shown in the left pane.

Click netplwiz (or simply hit Return after typing netplwiz, as this will likely be the only app found) and it will take you to the desktop environment where you will be able to make some adjustments to the user account settings.

You will see a list of available user accounts. Select the account you wish to make the adjustment(s) for and simply uncheck the box next to Users must enter a user name and password to use this computer.

You will have to verify your password to apply the settings.

EDIT: Needless to say, this is not very suitable for tablets or other portable devices running Windows 8 or Windows RT.

#-3 Posted by XaosII (16523 posts) -

lol, nope it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out metro, most options and features are out of the way taking longer to find thats called being hassled as a desktop OS 8 just plain sucks some just don't want to see the truth. Ive played around with Win 8's developer previews and had the real thing and trust me people that state "You just havent figured out how to properly use it" are just plain wrong and are probably just casual users.04dcarraher

Yeah, and i've had Windows 8 for a few months myself. You are very much wrong. I cant think of anything in Windows 8 that takes longer than Windows 7 does.

I'd love to hear somethhing more specific.

#-2 Posted by 04dcarraher (19013 posts) -

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

lol, nope it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out metro, most options and features are out of the way taking longer to find thats called being hassled as a desktop OS 8 just plain sucks some just don't want to see the truth. Ive played around with Win 8's developer previews and had the real thing and trust me people that state "You just havent figured out how to properly use it" are just plain wrong and are probably just casual users.XaosII

Yeah, and i've had Windows 8 for a few months myself. You are very much wrong. I cant think of anything in Windows 8 that takes longer than Windows 7 does.

I'd love to hear somethhing more specific.

aw... still defending Win 8? Defenders will just reply with the same excuses. The Win 8 UI is awful simply because it was a mandate from Sinofsky etc, it's not the result of any usability studies or efforts to make the UI more usable. There are plenty of good intentions, combined with awful execution and user experience. Windows 8 is clearly a "one size fits all" rush-job that was driven in a dictatorial fashion by its main-overseer at Microsoft, Steven Sinofsky (the man "left" the company shortly after the Win8 debute. Signs and wonders). Countless of people have raised their voices on the official Windows 8 blog when the OS was in development, yet the dev team and Sinofsky did demonstratively ignored the highly technical issues that were brought up and only answered the simplistic ones. As a desktop OS its awful Microsoft put away the start button. If you click on the hidden start button, you're back to the Metro interface. It's a jarring experience. They want you to force going Metro, yet the whole Metro and WinRT experience is so limited and smart phoney, Metro apps are castrated like the mail app it can't handle the most common mail protocol, yet MS forces you to use them (the default image/video/music viewers/players are awkward Metro apps in W8.. even in desktop mode. Ya its so much better :roll:
#-1 Posted by locopatho (20044 posts) -
I have no need for it, in fact I;m still on Vista (never had any problems with it, guess I have enough hardware to run it properly :P) but I've used it. It's a good OS. Nothing earth shattering but fast, fluid and secure. If I was getting a new PC I'd get Windows 8.
#0 Posted by hexashadow13 (5157 posts) -
[QUOTE="XaosII"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

lol, nope it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out metro, most options and features are out of the way taking longer to find thats called being hassled as a desktop OS 8 just plain sucks some just don't want to see the truth. Ive played around with Win 8's developer previews and had the real thing and trust me people that state "You just havent figured out how to properly use it" are just plain wrong and are probably just casual users.04dcarraher

Yeah, and i've had Windows 8 for a few months myself. You are very much wrong. I cant think of anything in Windows 8 that takes longer than Windows 7 does.

I'd love to hear somethhing more specific.

aw... still defending Win 8? Defenders will just reply with the same excuses. The Win 8 UI is awful simply because it was a mandate from Sinofsky etc, it's not the result of any usability studies or efforts to make the UI more usable. There are plenty of good intentions, combined with awful execution and user experience. Windows 8 is clearly a "one size fits all" rush-job that was driven in a dictatorial fashion by its main-overseer at Microsoft, Steven Sinofsky (the man "left" the company shortly after the Win8 debute. Signs and wonders). Countless of people have raised their voices on the official Windows 8 blog when the OS was in development, yet the dev team and Sinofsky did demonstratively ignored the highly technical issues that were brought up and only answered the simplistic ones. As a desktop OS its awful Microsoft put away the start button. If you click on the hidden start button, you're back to the Metro interface. It's a jarring experience. They want you to force going Metro, yet the whole Metro and WinRT experience is so limited and smart phoney, Metro apps are castrated like the mail app it can't handle the most common mail protocol, yet MS forces you to use them (the default image/video/music viewers/players are awkward Metro apps in W8.. even in desktop mode. Ya its so much better :roll:

Or you can just use the metro start menu to launch desktop applications and never actually touch any metro apps.