Will the Nintendo NX be powerful enough for 3rd parties?

I want to believe Nintendo will see the folly of not being in the same ballpark power wise. It doesn't have to be the most powerful, but it needs to be there with the others imo. But it is Nintendo. They have seemed dead set on the "we're not competing with Sony and MS" stance.

I don't actually think NX is a console at all I think it's some kind of weird gaming concept Nintendo have planned. They didn't say it was a new console, everyone else did. They also mentioned support for all devices including the Wii U. I am pretty sure it is not a new console.

It'll need to be but I think you can rule out it being powerful enough to run 4K.

No, they wouldn't care if it was powerful.

Yeah you got it right. They will be more powerful than the X1/PS4, but the cows and lems won't change their console. You'll hear every excuse in the book. "I'd rather wait for the next PS/Xbox" and "All my friends and cheevos are here" or my personal favorite "Nintendo makes kiddie games I'm not going to buy the same rehash" then waits patiently for uncharted 6 and Halo 7.

Since this happens 3rd party support will flounder on the NX and they will be in the same position as they are now.

Did we really need a separate thread on this?

It's going to be all while speculation anway.

@blueinheaven: they had a chart that called it a "dedicated game system" and placed it next to the Wii U and 3DS. Iwata also called it their next dedicated gaming platform. It's definitely a console of some sort.

No, third party devs will still make lame-ass excuses.

MS describe cloud as a gaming platform. 'dedicated game system' could mean anything and the fact they included the Wii U says to me it's just another way of delivering existing games to their customers. If it was a new games console there would be no cloak and dagger stuff it would be a MAJOR announcement.

You realize that the NX was announced to show Nintendo's dedication to developing hardware don't you?

Native 4K? Why even bring that up TC? The Titan X, a $1000 GPU in a PC with $1000 worth of other parts can't hit 60fps at 4K. You can see this in the Gamespot review. I have 2 Titan Blacks, a 5960X, and 16GB of DDR4 and can't hit 60 fps at 4K. So the NX would have to cost somewhere around $5000 to have a chance. And knowing Nintendo the next console won't cost a 1/10th of that. So we can scratch 4K I think....

Without actually announcing that they were developing console hardware?

Is this just wishful thinking on your part? I don't even know why Wii U owners or Nintendo fans would care either way they seem perfectly happy with the junk hardware they were served up. Why would they care what's 'next'? And for most publishers and devs whatever it is assuming it IS hardware, it better be damned good or they'll blank them again and so they should.

Assuming it's a home console, the only things that are safe to say is that it will still have a disc drive, and will have a new CPU architecture.

It won't be weaker than PS4, but I wouldn't expect much more than that, perhaps the CPU will be much better though. It'll have more RAM too.

Power mostly depends on if Nintendo is still focused on Japan's electricity costs or not, as well as small form factors.

Its all speculation. It could be that the new platform is the unified OS that allows for scalable games between console and handheld. Either way the streaming service is unlikely because they never once showed any inkling to start one.

Though, if it isn't as powerful, it will be in the same situation that the Wii U was in.

Keep in mind, The NES to the Gamecube, from what I've heard, was very powerful consoles. (In comparison to the other consoles in their generation)

3rd party games are due to sales not hardware.

If the Wii U was selling like the Wii it would have 3rd party support.

Really? Well dang. Why even bother with a new console when it's stuck at 1080p? 1080p has been a thing since the mid 2000s. If the 9th gen isn't truly 4K, then it's basically just a 8th gen.5.

This. If 3rd party games were selling 2m copies on Wii U the 3rd party support would be as strong as ever. This is why even if the NX has a 970 inside it, it would still be largely ignored by 3rd parties.

Oh yeah. Yep. Don't forget about "The games look too cartoony" and "Nintendo's internet sucks".

Nintendo should just buy Capcom and Sega already. Then they'd have enough IPs to last a generation without 3rd parties.

@mr_huggles_dog: Hmm...I dunno, really. It's a debate about how powerful the console is, and about 3rd parties. A specific topic.

@pikachudude860: there's more to new console generations than jumps in resolution. The N64 (with expansion pack) and GameCube both could do 480p, but the GameCube was a giant technical leap over the N64. If Nintendo produces a new console with the equivalent of a GTX 970 inside, it will handle 1080p much more skilfully than the PS4 can.

In any case, it's debatable that a console released 3-4 years into a generation would constitute a new console generation. It would be more like a second console released within the same generation.

That is such a bad argument cause Nintendo has long lasting franchises too. Count all the Mario and Zelda games... The real reason that will decide if Nintendo is successful or not will be if third parties want to develop for the platform, which currently they do not want to do because of the gamepad which makes it different to develop for than a ps4 or Xbone title.

Oh come on you're stalking me here too now? :( No place is safe.

deflect quick! We cant use logic... Its a forum about a new topic? Am I not allowed here?

I think Nintendo should just drop out of the console hardware and make games as a third party developer for other systems. They couldn't even deliver in game voice chat or party chat, unified accounts, digital rights retention, whether they can achieve the console performance of the other consoles is the least of my concerns.

The DeNA deal allowing them to make Nintendo licensed games for mobile devices just makes me more confused about where Nintendo sees themselves in the coming years. At the very least if Nintendo dropped out of the console market then I could at least see them maintaining success in the handheld one. Now that their games are going to cellphones and tablets I think they're losing their leverage on the licenses that drive people to get their handheld systems.

That somewhat recent news about how nothing gets done at Nintendo without unanimous board approval explains a lot about how they drag their feet and can't do basic things like get VC games published on their systems, can't localize finished games released in Japan for other markets. How can they be flexible enough to bring in third parties and cater to their needs? And, just like the Wii U, I'm not going to buy a new Nintendo console to play the same games I can play on other systems that I already own.

I don't think the NX it's an actual console. It's a bit too early for that right now.It's their next handheld.

I dont understand why everyone thinks that the "NX" will be a console. It seems more logical to be that it would be the 3DS successor.

It would make no sense for Nintendo to release another portable when they just launched the New 3DS and are now launching their phone/tablet strategy.

I don't perceive there to be an issue with the effects that the current gen GPUs produce-- I believe there is a bottleneck in how much RAM the GPUs can actually handle. Just because you put 16GB of RAM in the box doesn't mean the GPU and CPU can process the traffic of 16 lanes.

Nintendo may have to brute force things by building the console around two GPUs (with an additional 64MB of eDRAM). Ports could just use one GPU while exclusives could take advantage of the 100% increase of bandwidth (and hopefully the eDRAM will help with latency issues between the two chips).

@Kaze_no_Mirai: because the Wii U is the worst selling home console Nintendo has ever created (not counting the Virtual Boy). They don't hold on to poor selling consoles long. The GameCube and N64 were both dropped after 5 years, and the Wii U is doing worse.

The 3DS literally just had a hardware revision, and is selling well in Japan and even America. It also has no serious competition because the Vita is all but dead and Nintendo is about to enter mobile gaming. The need for a 3DS successor simply isn't there right now, but the need for a Wii U successor is very apparent. If they have to cut its lifecycle short a year in order to stay competitive, Nintendo will do it.

@SakusEnvoy: I get that reasoning but Im surprised at the overwhelming amount of people automatically assuming it will be a home console. Assuming the announcement is made during E3 2016 the 3DS will be over 5 years old by that time. Wii U just over 3 years. I think it can go either way but I feel a handheld is more likely.

@bunchofnumbers: @bunchanumbers:

Wait...There are TWO of you?!??! o_0

That's enough internet for me tonight...

@Kaze_no_Mirai: Well, from Iwata's previous comments about unified architecture for home consoles and portables, plus the fact that NX is supposed to be a new gaming concept, along with the Fusion rumors, I think the popular theory is that NX is a hybrid console anyway. A console that also doubles as a handheld that can be taken on the go.

Nintendo was already half way there with the Wii U and its wireless streaming tech worked very well. They only need to give the controller itself internal hardware and it could easily become their next portable. And then they can simplify their console development pipeline by making the same games for handheld and home console.

I doubt the system would be backwards compatible with either the 3DS or Wii U libraries. The Wii U uses an outdated PowerPC architecture, and Nintendo is supposedly going with AMD (x86, ARM, or both) for its next system. Meanwhile, the 3DS has dual screens, which would be too clumsy looking to use as a standard controller. So, if true, it may be easier to market the NX as a third pillar rather than a direct successor to either the Wii U or 3DS.

In regards to NES & Gamecube, your wrong. The Sega Master System was more powerful than the NES. And the Original XBOX was more powerful than the Gamecube. Also, though NOT as popular in generation 4 due to pricing, the NEO GEO system was more powerful than SNES, Sega Genesis and TurboGrafx-16 during that generation.

4K lol

LOLOLOLOLOL

No, Nintendo just being cheap sitting on reserves....

Besides more competition good + I doubt people who bought MS/SONY would buy those toddler games. We'd buy Bayonetta though and give it the recognition it deserves I mean the gen is kinda missing a good Hack n Slash.

We barely even know the thing exists...

... but given Ninty's past experience with third parties...

If I remember correctly nintendo had to save bayonetta 2 because "you people" didn't give the first the recognition it deserved.

I'm being stalked :(

lol..there's also bunchenumbers... :P

Pretty much.

and bunchunumbers. and bunchonumbers.

....they're all following me too. Its been a little weird lately.

GC was still more powerful than the PS2. Couldn't see the latter system try and run Rogue Leader and F-Zero GX.

Assuming it is a console, I'm betting it being on par with atleast the X1. Probably slightly better GPU than Sony or MS, but I doubt they'll ever reach the Sony/MS install base numbers.

Nintendo still has that kiddy image that it's going to be damn hard to shake off.

Why don't we all wait for confirmation before predicting

Nintendo are currently trying to maximise their number of first party titles by unifying development of their handheld and console titles.

I would bet that NX has something to do with that - the 'X' obviously standing for 'cross-platform'.

So I think this discussion of relative power and third parties is conpletely missing the point.

It will be powerful enough, but 3rd parties will still make excuses

Pretty much.

Who honestly cares about their next console? It's a ways off as it is. What should be the news that is making headlines is that proper accounts are soon on the way. This holds ramifications that are far more relevant than what new hardware brings. That's the exciting news from this announcement. As for new machines and the return of third party support, you Nintendo hopefuls are simply clueless and unwillingly to look at historical precedent, amounting evidence brought to light through articles straight from developers, the complete lack of literally every third party on the planet, and also statements from Nintendo themselves, and listen to reason. It's been explained to you a thousand times before, and still you make these topics and ask these questions 1,000 times again as if you've never heard the answers. Answers that have been spelled out to you as if you were in kindergarten. Which means you just don't WANT to hear them unless they're ringing your confirmation bias chimes.

It's still the same old, "when will third parties stop making excuses/learn?" Jesus. There is an insane amount delusion going on in here.

EDIT: I apologize for the tone, this has just become mind numbingly frustrating.

I don't need to "keep in mind" as I lived through them. We're on 2 consecutive gens now of Nintendo not wanting to play ball with everyone else.

@ldustin:

Next gen SoCs has HBM which renders traditional eDRAM obsolete. Any new consoles should have HBM.