Why won't Bioshock make AAA?

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#1 Ptolemaueus
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I just finished watching the videos for Bioshock, and I must say this game looks amazing, both gameplay wise and graphically.  The water effects are great, and the character models looks good, too.  The environments look amazing.  And the gameplay looks lke it could be one of the best 1st person shooters yet.  The idea of the genetic enhancement is altogether disturbing but looks to be a great gameplay element.

But people seem to doubt this game could get a score in the AAA range.  Why?

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#2 Hot_Potato
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Because multiplayer is absolutely positively neccesary for a game to make AAA. Or so say the jealous cows who can't get this game.
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#3 weffer
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Because there is no online, which I think is no reason for a game not to get AAA. The gameplay may not translate well to online, so what?
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#4 turgore
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Because multiplayer is absolutely positively neccesary for a game to make AAA. Or so say the jealous cows who can't get this game.Hot_Potato


Oblivion didn't have multiplayer.
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#5 smokeydabear076
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Games like it do not score AAA here at GS.
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#6 foxhound_fox
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I see nothing preventing from getting AAA.

Not every game that has guns needs multiplayer.
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#7 useLOGIC
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Because multiplayer is absolutely positively neccesary for a game to make AAA. Or so say the jealous cows who can't get this game.Hot_Potato

ORLY??

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/rpg/theelderscrollsivoblivion/index.html?q=oblivion

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#8 Vandalvideo
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Because the mass media will shun it. -_-. Same thing with System Shock 2. Its been named one of the greatest games of all time................with an AA score.
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#9 donut349
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[QUOTE="Hot_Potato"]Because multiplayer is absolutely positively neccesary for a game to make AAA. Or so say the jealous cows who can't get this game.turgore


Oblivion didn't have multiplayer.



...and? The cows are getting Oblivion
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#10 Mstrchiefpwns
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Because multiplayer is absolutely positively neccesary for a game to make AAA. Or so say the jealous cows who can't get this game.Hot_Potato

Why must a game have multiplayer. I would rather have an amazing single player experience, like what Bioshock will offer, than an uninspired multiplayer component. That statement saddens me so much, because Mass Effect and Bioshock will be better than most multiplayer games this year.

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#11 Ptolemaueus
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Because there is no online, which I think is no reason for a game not to get AAA. The gameplay may not translate well to online, so what? weffer

If Gamespot takes off points for no multiplayer, that's just being stupid.  Not every game has to have multiplayer.  Like you said, the gameplay might not translate into online very well.

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#12 smokeydabear076
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Because the mass media will shun it. -_-. Same thing with System Shock 2. Its been named one of the greatest games of all time................with an AA score.Vandalvideo
Same with Deus Ex which was like System Shock 2 in some ways.
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#13 LongshotX2
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Because multiplayer is absolutely positively neccesary for a game to make AAA. Or so say the jealous cows who can't get this game.Hot_Potato
But 90% of the cows have a PC which enables them to play Bioshock.
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#14 mercenar3
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does it even matter? this game looks like it'll kick a$$ no matter what people say. But i really can't see why people are bashing it. if sony had this exclusive they would have sold me but this, dead rising, mass effect, halo3, and gears of war alone obliterate the ps3 lineup. ( imo )  
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#15 PannicAtack
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Because the mass media will shun it. -_-. Same thing with System Shock 2. Its been named one of the greatest games of all time................with an AA score.Vandalvideo
System Shock 2 should have revolutionized the genre. Bt no... it didn't, because there were so many people who for some bizarre reason, didn't care. >_>
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Because multiplayer is absolutely positively neccesary for a game to make AAA. Or so say the jealous cows who can't get this game.Hot_Potato
are you kidding me??? since when are cows the one who say that??? lmfao, hasnt every thread on vf5 from lemmings deemed it a failure because no online multiplayer. hahaha, you gave me the laugh of the day.
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#17 muscleserge
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Bioshock and STALKER won't be AAA, they will be great games but such games get a low tilt score and are never very popular. Its sad really, but true. PS scores are not important, Prey score 7.8 and I still loved it, it was much better than Doom3 which score an 8.6 or something.
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#18 air0123
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Because I use AAA for my car, you know if it breaks down, they come and pick my car up for free, thats why, because Bioshock is a video game, not a service for vehicles.
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[QUOTE="Hot_Potato"]Because multiplayer is absolutely positively neccesary for a game to make AAA. Or so say the jealous cows who can't get this game.Mstrchiefpwns

Why must a game have multiplayer. I would rather have an amazing single player experience, like what Bioshock will offer, than an uninspired multiplayer component. That statement saddens me so much, because Mass Effect and Bioshock will be better than most multiplayer games this year.

Now why don't lemmings say that about Metroid Prime 3: Corruptions instead of saying it needs multiplayer, and if it doesn't have it, it needs to be delayed so it can be added? It has an amazing single player experience as well, so why must it have multiplayer when it's not a multiplayer focused game? Some lemmings say that they will pass on Metroid Prime 3 if it doesn't have multiplayer which I find sad since it will be an amazing game.
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#20 useLOGIC
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after watching the developer walkthrough for the 2nd time, i honestly believe this game will achieve AAA. GS will love the depth it offers.
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#21 peaceful_anger
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[QUOTE="Hot_Potato"]Because multiplayer is absolutely positively neccesary for a game to make AAA. Or so say the jealous cows who can't get this game.Imallvol7
are you kidding me??? since when are cows the one who say that??? lmfao, hasnt every thread on vf5 from lemmings deemed it a failure because no online multiplayer. hahaha, you gave me the laugh of the day.

For once I have to agree with you on that point. That's exactly how they have been bashing cows lately.
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#22 Hewkii
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I dunno. it looks pretty good.
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#23 ColoradoKindBud
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Bioshock will be the first game that I have ever hyped AAA here at GS.  I totally think this game has what it takes to get AAA here at GS.
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#24 mr_pops238
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bioshock will flop on every console/pc its released for. It will never get AAA. It will be lucky to even get AA.
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#25 angilk
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mutliplayer is nesscirstary in order for a fps to make AAA title. because it brings in much more depth
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#26 mutenpika
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Because the mass media will shun it. -_-. Same thing with System Shock 2. Its been named one of the greatest games of all time................with an AA score.smokeydabear076
Same with Deus Ex which was like System Shock 2 in some ways.



Same main developer... Warren Spector. The man's a genius!
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#27 PannicAtack
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bioshock will flop on every console/pc its released for. It will never get AAA. It will be lucky to even get AA.mr_pops238
Care to explain why? And problems with the game, aside from the fact that it hasn't been announced for the PS3? >_>
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#28 TarmacChris
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This game looks brilliant and it should score high AAA but I'm unsure about some of the game mechanics in it, for example the shooting looked very slow and the targetting bad. Might just have been the specific gun or even the video I saw, but perhaps this might take away some valuable points from it?
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#29 mercenar3
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mutliplayer is nesscirstary in order for a fps to make AAA title. because it brings in much more depthangilk

but its not just a fps.Its more of an rpg in first person with guns available to you. The developers even suggest to avoid using your gun unless you really need to use it.

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#30 PannicAtack
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[QUOTE="angilk"]mutliplayer is nesscirstary in order for a fps to make AAA title. because it brings in much more depthmercenar3

but its not just a fps.Its more of an rpg in first person with guns available to you. The developers even suggest to avoid using your gun unless you really need to use it.

Right, because you have very little ammo at any given time. You're starved for resources. You're constantly looking for Adam, Ammo, Plasmids, etc.

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#31 LVLLN
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Two of Gamespot's best reviewed games of the last 5 years were shooters with no multiplayer: Metroid Prime, a FPS, and Resident Evil 4, a Third Person Shooter. 
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#32 OldParr
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[QUOTE="turgore"][QUOTE="Hot_Potato"]Because multiplayer is absolutely positively neccesary for a game to make AAA. Or so say the jealous cows who can't get this game.donut349


Oblivion didn't have multiplayer.



...and? The cows are getting Oblivion

that doesnt take away that u made an invalid point about a game not getting AAA because it lacks MP

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#33 fartgorilla
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[QUOTE="Hot_Potato"]Because multiplayer is absolutely positively neccesary for a game to make AAA. Or so say the jealous cows who can't get this game.Imallvol7
are you kidding me??? since when are cows the one who say that??? lmfao, hasnt every thread on vf5 from lemmings deemed it a failure because no online multiplayer. hahaha, you gave me the laugh of the day.

That's pretty accurate about VF5. Multiplayer's a nice addition but it's far from necessary to make a game worth buying -- unless the single player is just total trash. If the single player's brilliant (like Oblivion) then you won't care if you can't take it online. Are people going to grumble when MGS4 and FF13 release without multiplayer?
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[QUOTE="Hot_Potato"]Because multiplayer is absolutely positively neccesary for a game to make AAA. Or so say the jealous cows who can't get this game.turgore


Oblivion didn't have multiplayer.

Wow, good point. ;)
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#35 PannicAtack
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How the crap would multiplayer in Bioshock work? Does anyone think that the way this game is played will be good for DeathMatches? I don't. It's the exact opposite of what the game is trying to do. >_>
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[QUOTE="Hot_Potato"]Because multiplayer is absolutely positively neccesary for a game to make AAA. Or so say the jealous cows who can't get this game.LongshotX2
But 90% of the cows have a PC which enables them to play Bioshock.

but it ain't goin to ps3 so u faiiiil!!
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#37 Ptolemaueus
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[QUOTE="Mstrchiefpwns"]

[QUOTE="Hot_Potato"]Because multiplayer is absolutely positively neccesary for a game to make AAA. Or so say the jealous cows who can't get this game.peaceful_anger

Why must a game have multiplayer. I would rather have an amazing single player experience, like what Bioshock will offer, than an uninspired multiplayer component. That statement saddens me so much, because Mass Effect and Bioshock will be better than most multiplayer games this year.

Now why don't lemmings say that about Metroid Prime 3: Corruptions instead of saying it needs multiplayer, and if it doesn't have it, it needs to be delayed so it can be added? It has an amazing single player experience as well, so why must it have multiplayer when it's not a multiplayer focused game? Some lemmings say that they will pass on Metroid Prime 3 if it doesn't have multiplayer which I find sad since it will be an amazing game.

Yeah.  Heck, I'm glad Prime 3 won't have multiplayer.  The one they had in Echoes sucked.  The lock-on system doesn't translate well into multiplayer.

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[QUOTE="Hot_Potato"]Because multiplayer is absolutely positively neccesary for a game to make AAA. Or so say the jealous cows who can't get this game.turgore


Oblivion didn't have multiplayer.

It had 100+ hours of gameplay it wasn't needed but Bioshock I assume isn't 100 hours plus. However it will msot likely get AAA. However there will be MP mods.
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#39 smokeydabear076
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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Because the mass media will shun it. -_-. Same thing with System Shock 2. Its been named one of the greatest games of all time................with an AA score.mutenpika
Same with Deus Ex which was like System Shock 2 in some ways.



Same main developer... Warren Spector. The man's a genius!

He is not helping with Bioshock... is he?
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[QUOTE="LongshotX2"][QUOTE="Hot_Potato"]Because multiplayer is absolutely positively neccesary for a game to make AAA. Or so say the jealous cows who can't get this game.-KinGz-
But 90% of the cows have a PC which enables them to play Bioshock.

but it ain't goin to ps3 so u faiiiil!!

If you have a gaming PC, you dont faiiiill
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#41 byrofish
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[QUOTE="mutenpika"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Because the mass media will shun it. -_-. Same thing with System Shock 2. Its been named one of the greatest games of all time................with an AA score.smokeydabear076
Same with Deus Ex which was like System Shock 2 in some ways.



Same main developer... Warren Spector. The man's a genius!

He is not helping with Bioshock... is he?



Warren Spector is not working on Bioshock.  I'm quite sure he didn't work on System Shock 2 either, though he was one of the main men behind the original.
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Because multiplayer is absolutely positively neccesary for a game to make AAA. Or so say the jealous cows who can't get this game.Hot_Potato
that's not true. That would be ridiculous. i always buy a game for it's single player. Online is just a great extra. Ofcourse there are games that focus heavily on online.. that's fine, and those games can be judged on that aspect...
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#43 mis3ry
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Because I use AAA for my car, you know if it breaks down, they come and pick my car up for free, thats why, because Bioshock is a video game, not a service for vehicles.air0123
Funny not found. :|
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#44 Oemenia
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Because they are n00bs that preferred Quake 3 over SS2 and UT = \
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#45 Oemenia
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Because multiplayer is absolutely positively neccesary for a game to make AAA. Or so say the jealous cows who can't get this game.Hot_Potato
Is that why SS2 was so succesful even though the MP component came so much later? Or is that why CoR is one of the best shooters ever made?
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#46 Hewkii
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[QUOTE="Hot_Potato"]Because multiplayer is absolutely positively neccesary for a game to make AAA. Or so say the jealous cows who can't get this game.Oemenia
Is that why SS2 was so succesful even though the MP component came so much later? Or is that why CoR is one of the best shooters ever made?

why do people miss this?
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#47 mattbbpl
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System Shock (the precursor to BioShock) is a classic, and it scored AA. It's very possible this games scores less than AAA as well. Although I think it will be classic anyway.
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#48 blacktorn
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Er more people suspect it to be an AAA than not,i think it will get it as the idea is new,but the fact that it won't feature multiplayer and it's an fps will hurt people's view on it,not necessarily the score if the single player is good enough.

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#49 the-very-best
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It could I suppose. I think I'm the minority thinking the game won't get AAA.

I dunno, it doesn't look outstanding to me. Perhaps I'm just more anticipating the real AAA FPS for the 360, Halo 3.
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#50 BillGates_Money
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people are complaining about no multiplayer. what did you guys do before multiplayer was ever around?