Let's get one the straight: It's too early to guess the outcome of the console war.
That said, I think it IS reasonable to look at past generations of game systems so that we can better understand what makes a console a success.
One of the biggest reasons is this: Hardware included, AT LAUNCH, that is prepared for a long term life cycle.
You've seen systems like the sega CD/32x that have needed all kinds of addons and out-of-the-box revisions right?
This is an example of a console that was NOT prepared for the long term. And it was a failure.
Another good example is the N64 (don't get me wrong, I LOVED the N64, even more than the PS1 at the time).
It's main drawback, as far as hardware is concerned, was that it didn't adopt compact discs as it's medium. Which is why Nintendo had to release the Nintendo 64DD. That was a commercial failure, it further proves why having hardware included inside the box that can support a console for around 10 years is a VERY important factor.
Now. Tell me, which of the new consoles do you think is most prepared for the long term?
Why PS3? I don't see how yet. There have been a thousand threads why PS3/360 is better in the long run, based on media capabilities. I have yet to see why the PS3 is superior. I'm not a lemming, just a serial researcher. Please explain it to me.
[QUOTE="musicalmac"]Why PS3? I don't see how yet. There have been a thousand threads why PS3/360 is better in the long run, based on media capabilities. I have yet to see why the PS3 is superior. I'm not a lemming, just a serial researcher. Please explain it to me. I'm asking you which one is more prepared for the long run. I never said it was the PS3.
I think the 360 and PS3 will be better for me in the long run. The graphics will get better and better on top of the nice online capabilities. Sony still has a ways to go with online, but I'm sure they will get there (don't expect it to be free forever.) I'm already kind of turned off on my Wii just because of the graphics. I'm not really a graphics whore, but nice graphics do help with immersion.
[QUOTE="Trading_Zoner"][QUOTE="musicalmac"]Why PS3? I don't see how yet. There have been a thousand threads why PS3/360 is better in the long run, based on media capabilities. I have yet to see why the PS3 is superior. I'm not a lemming, just a serial researcher. Please explain it to me. I'm asking you which one is more prepared for the long run. I never said it was the PS3. But many others on this thread have. This is why I ask. I really am curious as to why it's more prepared. So far, the silence is deafening.
The Wii will be collected for decades so the Wii. The others will simply be replaced by systems that do everything but better. Specs can't replace innovative niches.
The Wii will be collected for decades so the Wii. The others will simply be replaced by systems that do everything but better. Specs can't replace innovative niches.Spartan070
The expanding VC will also ensure its long term appeal. If they keep adding more and more systems (crosses fingers for the saturn) then it will be simply to good to pass up for collectors.
[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Trading_Zoner"][QUOTE="musicalmac"]Why PS3? I don't see how yet. There have been a thousand threads why PS3/360 is better in the long run, based on media capabilities. I have yet to see why the PS3 is superior. I'm not a lemming, just a serial researcher. Please explain it to me. I'm asking you which one is more prepared for the long run. I never said it was the PS3. But many others on this thread have. This is why I ask. I really am curious as to why it's more prepared. So far, the silence is deafening. You might want to quote the person you are directly asking the question to then. If you just reply with no quote then it is assumed that you are talking to the TC.
Well if developers from various video game franchises supply each console with an adequate supply of titles to quench our never ending thist, I believe all console have a good chance. However, since my previous sentence is basically wishfull thinking, and in terms of upcoming games, I can't tell what games are coming out after 2007, I would have to go with the ever-so-lover Xbox 360.
[QUOTE="Spartan070"]The Wii will be collected for decades so the Wii. The others will simply be replaced by systems that do everything but better. Specs can't replace innovative niches.cakeorrdeath
The expanding VC will also ensure its long term appeal. If they keep adding more and more systems (crosses fingers for the saturn) then it will be simply to good to pass up for collectors. Fingers officially crossed:D I hope so...
PS3 is a loooong term console there's no doubt about that.
This is like the main reason I'm gonna get PS3, apart from Tekken 6 :)
musicalmac
Definetly PS3Blinblingthing
[QUOTE="Blinblingthing"]Definetly PS3Nteks
What ^^ said. Why?
unlike Microsoft Sony are very commited to each of their consoles. PS1 had a 10 year life span and so will the PS2. Sony already said that PS3 is a machine that will last atleast 10 years.
[QUOTE="musicalmac"]Why PS3? I don't see how yet. There have been a thousand threads why PS3/360 is better in the long run, based on media capabilities. I have yet to see why the PS3 is superior. I'm not a lemming, just a serial researcher. Please explain it to me. The PS3 outputs its blu ray and gaming video and sound via HDMI which is now becoming the standard. Most TVs only output 1080p via HDMI and dont allow VGA to output it. The PS3 also caters to movie lovers who wanna take advantage of their new HDTVs right out of the box. This group of people are getting larger and larger as HDTVs become more and more popular. HDTVs will be the standard very soon, they are becoming more affordable and all cable companies are switching to HD as well in the near future. You also have games on a much larger format allowing devs room for growth in gaming. It also has a hybrid version of motion sensing without forcing the gamer to give up the controller that is so familiar. This allows many games that are not done well on a soley motion sensing controller, FPS, etc...., to be easily done on the PS3. It also allows devs the choice to build a game with motion sensing as a second thought or build a game around motion sensing.
[QUOTE="musicalmac"]Why PS3? I don't see how yet. There have been a thousand threads why PS3/360 is better in the long run, based on media capabilities. I have yet to see why the PS3 is superior. I'm not a lemming, just a serial researcher. Please explain it to me.Javy03
The PS3 outputs its blu ray and gaming video and sound via HDMI which is now becoming the standard. Most TVs only output 1080p via HDMI and dont allow VGA to output it. The PS3 also caters to movie lovers who wanna take advantage of their new HDTVs right out of the box. This group of people are getting larger and larger as HDTVs become more and more popular. HDTVs will be the standard very soon, they are becoming more affordable and all cable companies are switching to HD as well in the near future. You also have games on a much larger format allowing devs room for growth in gaming. It also has a hybrid version of motion sensing without forcing the gamer to give up the controller that is so familiar. This allows many games that are not done well on a soley motion sensing controller, FPS, etc...., to be easily done on the PS3. It also allows devs the choice to build a game with motion sensing as a second thought or build a game around motion sensing.
Well I can tell right now that Sony Bravia TV's accept 1080p through VGA and Sharp Aquos TV's accept 1080p through component. HDMI is over rated trust me.
[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="musicalmac"]Why PS3? I don't see how yet. There have been a thousand threads why PS3/360 is better in the long run, based on media capabilities. I have yet to see why the PS3 is superior. I'm not a lemming, just a serial researcher. Please explain it to me. The PS3 outputs its blu ray and gaming video and sound via HDMI which is now becoming the standard. Most TVs only output 1080p via HDMI and dont allow VGA to output it. The PS3 also caters to movie lovers who wanna take advantage of their new HDTVs right out of the box. This group of people are getting larger and larger as HDTVs become more and more popular. HDTVs will be the standard very soon, they are becoming more affordable and all cable companies are switching to HD as well in the near future. You also have games on a much larger format allowing devs room for growth in gaming. It also has a hybrid version of motion sensing without forcing the gamer to give up the controller that is so familiar. This allows many games that are not done well on a soley motion sensing controller, FPS, etc...., to be easily done on the PS3. It also allows devs the choice to build a game with motion sensing as a second thought or build a game around motion sensing. I appreciate the post. However, all you said was it can play blu-ray movies. HDMI has caused some headaches for PS3 owners, because of the "blinking" problem. Look it up. I have yet to run into a TV that doesn't allow 1080p through VGA. Of course, I haven't tested every TV on the planet. Sixaxis and Blu-Ray out of the box don't convince me that this will be a lasting system.
[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="musicalmac"]Why PS3? I don't see how yet. There have been a thousand threads why PS3/360 is better in the long run, based on media capabilities. I have yet to see why the PS3 is superior. I'm not a lemming, just a serial researcher. Please explain it to me.jack244
The PS3 outputs its blu ray and gaming video and sound via HDMI which is now becoming the standard. Most TVs only output 1080p via HDMI and dont allow VGA to output it. The PS3 also caters to movie lovers who wanna take advantage of their new HDTVs right out of the box. This group of people are getting larger and larger as HDTVs become more and more popular. HDTVs will be the standard very soon, they are becoming more affordable and all cable companies are switching to HD as well in the near future. You also have games on a much larger format allowing devs room for growth in gaming. It also has a hybrid version of motion sensing without forcing the gamer to give up the controller that is so familiar. This allows many games that are not done well on a soley motion sensing controller, FPS, etc...., to be easily done on the PS3. It also allows devs the choice to build a game with motion sensing as a second thought or build a game around motion sensing.
Well I can tell right now that Sony Bravia TV's accept 1080p through VGA and Sharp Aquos TV's accept 1080p through component. HDMI is over rated trust me.
Overrated or not its becoming the standard and any person who watches movies will tell you that if you buy an upconverting DVD player or HD stand alone player, it will use HDMI. If an upconverting DVD player can have HDMI i dont see why someone wouldt want the same out of their HD player.
[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="musicalmac"]Why PS3? I don't see how yet. There have been a thousand threads why PS3/360 is better in the long run, based on media capabilities. I have yet to see why the PS3 is superior. I'm not a lemming, just a serial researcher. Please explain it to me.Javy03
The PS3 outputs its blu ray and gaming video and sound via HDMI which is now becoming the standard. Most TVs only output 1080p via HDMI and dont allow VGA to output it. The PS3 also caters to movie lovers who wanna take advantage of their new HDTVs right out of the box. This group of people are getting larger and larger as HDTVs become more and more popular. HDTVs will be the standard very soon, they are becoming more affordable and all cable companies are switching to HD as well in the near future. You also have games on a much larger format allowing devs room for growth in gaming. It also has a hybrid version of motion sensing without forcing the gamer to give up the controller that is so familiar. This allows many games that are not done well on a soley motion sensing controller, FPS, etc...., to be easily done on the PS3. It also allows devs the choice to build a game with motion sensing as a second thought or build a game around motion sensing.
Well I can tell right now that Sony Bravia TV's accept 1080p through VGA and Sharp Aquos TV's accept 1080p through component. HDMI is over rated trust me.
Overrated or not its becoming the standard and any person who watches movies will tell you that if you buy an upconverting DVD player or HD stand alone player, it will use HDMI. If an upconverting DVD player can have HDMI i dont see why someone wouldt want the same out of their HD player. So far you've argued the PS3 will last longer because it has an HDMI output. It seems a little weak. What can the PS3 do right now, and in the long run, that the 360 won't be able to do?
[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="musicalmac"]Why PS3? I don't see how yet. There have been a thousand threads why PS3/360 is better in the long run, based on media capabilities. I have yet to see why the PS3 is superior. I'm not a lemming, just a serial researcher. Please explain it to me. The PS3 outputs its blu ray and gaming video and sound via HDMI which is now becoming the standard. Most TVs only output 1080p via HDMI and dont allow VGA to output it. The PS3 also caters to movie lovers who wanna take advantage of their new HDTVs right out of the box. This group of people are getting larger and larger as HDTVs become more and more popular. HDTVs will be the standard very soon, they are becoming more affordable and all cable companies are switching to HD as well in the near future. You also have games on a much larger format allowing devs room for growth in gaming. It also has a hybrid version of motion sensing without forcing the gamer to give up the controller that is so familiar. This allows many games that are not done well on a soley motion sensing controller, FPS, etc...., to be easily done on the PS3. It also allows devs the choice to build a game with motion sensing as a second thought or build a game around motion sensing. I appreciate the post. However, all you said was it can play blu-ray movies. HDMI has caused some headaches for PS3 owners, because of the "blinking" problem. Look it up. I have yet to run into a TV that doesn't allow 1080p through VGA. Of course, I haven't tested every TV on the planet. Sixaxis and Blu-Ray out of the box don't convince me that this will be a lasting system. The "blinking" problem is a not a big problem. Very few PS3s have that. Nothing like the ring of death but I digress. My point is having a new HD movie format to take advantage of the growing number of HDTVs as well as having a new larger format for gaming is beneficial. I cant see what other system is more future proof then the PS3? THe 360 depends on add ons, batteries for controllers, paying to play online, and VGA movie output. I hardly would consider that furture proff as well as the Wii and its weaker hardware and focus on two genres of games, Mini games and Party games.
[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="musicalmac"]Why PS3? I don't see how yet. There have been a thousand threads why PS3/360 is better in the long run, based on media capabilities. I have yet to see why the PS3 is superior. I'm not a lemming, just a serial researcher. Please explain it to me.musicalmac
The PS3 outputs its blu ray and gaming video and sound via HDMI which is now becoming the standard. Most TVs only output 1080p via HDMI and dont allow VGA to output it. The PS3 also caters to movie lovers who wanna take advantage of their new HDTVs right out of the box. This group of people are getting larger and larger as HDTVs become more and more popular. HDTVs will be the standard very soon, they are becoming more affordable and all cable companies are switching to HD as well in the near future. You also have games on a much larger format allowing devs room for growth in gaming. It also has a hybrid version of motion sensing without forcing the gamer to give up the controller that is so familiar. This allows many games that are not done well on a soley motion sensing controller, FPS, etc...., to be easily done on the PS3. It also allows devs the choice to build a game with motion sensing as a second thought or build a game around motion sensing.
Well I can tell right now that Sony Bravia TV's accept 1080p through VGA and Sharp Aquos TV's accept 1080p through component. HDMI is over rated trust me.
Overrated or not its becoming the standard and any person who watches movies will tell you that if you buy an upconverting DVD player or HD stand alone player, it will use HDMI. If an upconverting DVD player can have HDMI i dont see why someone wouldt want the same out of their HD player. So far you've argued the PS3 will last longer because it has an HDMI output. It seems a little weak. What can the PS3 do right now, and in the long run, that the 360 won't be able to do? If you read my original post it says alot more then just HDMI. I said motion sensing infused in an original controller, HDMI, Next gen movie player, and larger format for games and devs to exploit.
The "blinking" problem is a not a big problem. Very few PS3s have that. Nothing like the ring of death but I digress. My point is having a new HD movie format to take advantage of the growing number of HDTVs as well as having a new larger format for gaming is beneficial. I cant see what other system is more future proof then the PS3? THe 360 depends on add ons, batteries for controllers, paying to play online, and VGA movie output. I hardly would consider that furture proff as well as the Wii and its weaker hardware and focus on two genres of games, Mini games and Party games.Javy03
Yes, I do know the 360 isn't known for it's longevity in more cases than M$ would like to admit (I'm guessing). I'm on my second. Depending on add-ons is hardly a problem. Look at the iPod. The rampant success that little thing has had is based a lot on all the 3rd party support. Hardly anyone makes 3rd party products for the Zune, but there are walls of iPod accessories. What it does is allow for personalization, and more importantly, versitility. Anyone who can afford a 360 can also afford $5 for online. You aren't going to miss it. That's a dollar menu lunch at McDonalds. After all I have read and seen, the 360 seems more versitile and more usefull as a multimedia box. I still have yet to be shown otherwise, but if you have more information that I don't have, I'm more than willing to hear you out.
PS3 is a loooong term console there's no doubt about that.
This is like the main reason I'm gonna get PS3, apart from Tekken 6 :)
musicalmac
Definetly PS3Blinblingthing
[QUOTE="Blinblingthing"]Definetly PS3Nteks
What ^^ said. Why? because there is more technology in the PS3, HDMI, Wi-fi, blu-ray, 50gigs of storage, Cell chip, RSX., Blue tooth 60 Gb HDD and Sony is know to support there consoles for 7-8 years.
Bottom line, I don't think having a high or low "future-proofness" will even come into play, making the quesiton moot. This generation will be nearly over (as will this current console war) before enough people will own a large 1080p capable HDTV for it to matter. Next gen, maybe, but not this one.
[QUOTE="Nteks"] because there is more technology in the PS3, HDMI, Wi-fi, blu-ray 50gigs Cell chip, RSX. and Sony is know to support there consoles for 7-8 years. I will be extremely surprised if the PS3 is still going strong 8 years from now.
PS3 is a loooong term console there's no doubt about that.
This is like the main reason I'm gonna get PS3, apart from Tekken 6 :)
Nteks
Definetly PS3Blinblingthing
[QUOTE="Blinblingthing"]Definetly PS3Nteks
What ^^ said. Why? because there is more technology in the PS3, HDMI, Wi-fi, blu-ray 50gigs Cell chip, RSX. and Sony is know to support there consoles for 7-8 years. How do those give it longevity? I am aware of what the PS3 is made of.
Bottom line, I don't think having a high or low "future-proofness" will even come into play, making the quesiton moot. This generation will be nearly over (as will this current console war) before enough people will own a large 1080p capable HDTV for it to matter. Next gen, maybe, but not this one.dsmccracken
I tend to agree with you. As far as I can tell, most HD signals are done in 720p. Games run better at 720p. Media boxes, such as Apple TV, outputs at 720p.
PS3 is a loooong term console there's no doubt about that.
This is like the main reason I'm gonna get PS3, apart from Tekken 6 :)
musicalmac
Definetly PS3Blinblingthing
[QUOTE="Blinblingthing"]Definetly PS3Nteks
What ^^ said. Why? because there is more technology in the PS3, HDMI, Wi-fi, blu-ray 50gigs Cell chip, RSX. and Sony is know to support there consoles for 7-8 years. How do those give it longevity? I am aware of what the PS3 is made of.
Bottom line, I don't think having a high or low "future-proofness" will even come into play, making the quesiton moot. This generation will be nearly over (as will this current console war) before enough people will own a large 1080p capable HDTV for it to matter. Next gen, maybe, but not this one.dsmccracken
I tend to agree with you. As far as I can tell, most HD signals are done in 720p. Games run better at 720p. Media boxes, such as Apple TV, outputs at 720p. The blu-ray disc gives devs more space to make there visions a reality. Devs have been complaining about more space since the HD era started. 50GBD ROM >>> 7GB DVD Plus the HDD is standard in both Sku's that means most if not all devs will use it for games. It just has more features then the other 2 consoles. And that alone will last a very long time. "It's main drawback, as far as hardware is concerned, was that it didn't adopt compact discs as it's medium. Which is why Nintendo had to release the Nintendo 64DD. "
why isn't the Xbox 360 launched with a Next Gen Disc format? DVD9 is only a measly 7-9gigs.
Depends on who wins the HD format war. If blu-ray fails then the PS3 is left with a dud.cakeorrdeath
Blu-ray Won already prity much, i havent seen a Hd-dvd commercial in months and every movie i see now is in Blu-ray , not to mention Blu-ray is out selling it non stop
The blu-ray disc gives devs more space to make there visions a reality. Devs have been complaining about more space since the HD era started. 50GBD ROM >>> 7GB DVD Plus the HDD is standard in both Sku's that means most if not all devs will use it for games. It just has more features then the other 2 consoles. And that alone will last a very long time. Nteks
I agree. I do like the increased storage space. However, the current Blu-Ray drive on the PS3 is 1x or 2x (I think 2x, correct me if I'm wrong) which can lead to slower load times. Plus, I don't see the problem with multiple DVDs. I didn't see anyone complaining when they played FFVII. Plus, aren't the DVDs they use around 9 gigs? The PS3 is billed as a multimedia hub that happens to be a gaming console. I think the 360 has done a better job of that than the PS3, and I feel that gives it a leg up on the PS3 in the multimedia and longevity departments. Micro$oft finally wised up and realized that TV wansn't coming to the computer- the computer was coming to the TV.
[QUOTE="Javy03"]The "blinking" problem is a not a big problem. Very few PS3s have that. Nothing like the ring of death but I digress. My point is having a new HD movie format to take advantage of the growing number of HDTVs as well as having a new larger format for gaming is beneficial. I cant see what other system is more future proof then the PS3? THe 360 depends on add ons, batteries for controllers, paying to play online, and VGA movie output. I hardly would consider that furture proff as well as the Wii and its weaker hardware and focus on two genres of games, Mini games and Party games.musicalmac
Yes, I do know the 360 isn't known for it's longevity in more cases than M$ would like to admit (I'm guessing). I'm on my second. Depending on add-ons is hardly a problem. Look at the iPod. The rampant success that little thing has had is based a lot on all the 3rd party support. Hardly anyone makes 3rd party products for the Zune, but there are walls of iPod accessories. What it does is allow for personalization, and more importantly, versitility. Anyone who can afford a 360 can also afford $5 for online. You aren't going to miss it. That's a dollar menu lunch at McDonalds. After all I have read and seen, the 360 seems more versitile and more usefull as a multimedia box. I still have yet to be shown otherwise, but if you have more information that I don't have, I'm more than willing to hear you out. Yes but the ipods accessories to pretty up your ipod or custimize it or the 200 dollar add on to play HD movies without HDMI is not in the same category. The ipod is successful because its an MP3 player that offers style and multimedia functions like downloading music and movies. The add ons for that is merely cosmetic but the add ons for the 360 are more serious. They are expensive and for the purpose of getting the system to do things its competition does right out of the box. Pretty ipod skins and 100 dollar 20gb HDD, 200 dollar movie player, 20 dollar controller charger are not on the same level and do not help you custimize your 360. Thats what the face plate is for, the add ons allow the 360 to run at the capability of its competition or optimum potential. You shouldnt have to build a transformer to get that. As for online the truth of the matter is most of the gamers last gen did not play games online. Paying 50 dollars a year just didnt appeal to them. But guess what will appeal to the nononline gamer of last gen. Free online gaming. You can justify the price of online just like you can justify the 100 dollar difference between 360 and PS3, but the point is it will be a huge perk for some who like me did not online game until it was free. Exactly how is the 360 more versitile??
[QUOTE="Nteks"]The blu-ray disc gives devs more space to make there visions a reality. Devs have been complaining about more space since the HD era started. 50GBD ROM >>> 7GB DVD Plus the HDD is standard in both Sku's that means most if not all devs will use it for games. It just has more features then the other 2 consoles. And that alone will last a very long time. musicalmac
I agree. I do like the increased storage space. However, the current Blu-Ray drive on the PS3 is 1x or 2x (I think 2x, correct me if I'm wrong) which can lead to slower load times. Plus, I don't see the problem with multiple DVDs. I didn't see anyone complaining when they played FFVII. Plus, aren't the DVDs they use around 9 gigs? The PS3 is billed as a multimedia hub that happens to be a gaming console. I think the 360 has done a better job of that than the PS3, and I feel that gives it a leg up on the PS3 in the multimedia and longevity departments. Micro$oft finally wised up and realized that TV wansn't coming to the computer- the computer was coming to the TV.
So regardless of what someones says the Xbox 360 by far will out last PS3 and the Wii, even though you ask people to explain why! Interesting! And the fact that Microsoft is coming out with another 360 doesn't mean anything!Â
[QUOTE="Nteks"]The blu-ray disc gives devs more space to make there visions a reality. Devs have been complaining about more space since the HD era started. 50GBD ROM >>> 7GB DVD Plus the HDD is standard in both Sku's that means most if not all devs will use it for games. It just has more features then the other 2 consoles. And that alone will last a very long time. musicalmac
I agree. I do like the increased storage space. However, the current Blu-Ray drive on the PS3 is 1x or 2x (I think 2x, correct me if I'm wrong) which can lead to slower load times. Plus, I don't see the problem with multiple DVDs. I didn't see anyone complaining when they played FFVII. Plus, aren't the DVDs they use around 9 gigs? The PS3 is billed as a multimedia hub that happens to be a gaming console. I think the 360 has done a better job of that than the PS3, and I feel that gives it a leg up on the PS3 in the multimedia and longevity departments. Micro$oft finally wised up and realized that TV wansn't coming to the computer- the computer was coming to the TV. The PS3 does not have longer load times. Blu ray making longer load times is a myth. THey load the same as DVDs because Blu ray have a high constant read speed. It also reads quieter so you can enjoy the sound of the game and movie instead of the roar of your machine. Even some games like Oblivion have found ways to reduce load times on the PS3 version.
[QUOTE="Nteks"]The blu-ray disc gives devs more space to make there visions a reality. Devs have been complaining about more space since the HD era started. 50GBD ROM >>> 7GB DVD Plus the HDD is standard in both Sku's that means most if not all devs will use it for games. It just has more features then the other 2 consoles. And that alone will last a very long time. musicalmac
I agree. I do like the increased storage space. However, the current Blu-Ray drive on the PS3 is 1x or 2x (I think 2x, correct me if I'm wrong) which can lead to slower load times. Plus, I don't see the problem with multiple DVDs. I didn't see anyone complaining when they played FFVII. Plus, aren't the DVDs they use around 9 gigs? The PS3 is billed as a multimedia hub that happens to be a gaming console. I think the 360 has done a better job of that than the PS3, and I feel that gives it a leg up on the PS3 in the multimedia and longevity departments. Micro$oft finally wised up and realized that TV wansn't coming to the computer- the computer was coming to the TV. The load times are not bad, some games eliminate this problem by cache a small part of data to the HDD.
[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Javy03"]The "blinking" problem is a not a big problem. Very few PS3s have that. Nothing like the ring of death but I digress. My point is having a new HD movie format to take advantage of the growing number of HDTVs as well as having a new larger format for gaming is beneficial. I cant see what other system is more future proof then the PS3? THe 360 depends on add ons, batteries for controllers, paying to play online, and VGA movie output. I hardly would consider that furture proff as well as the Wii and its weaker hardware and focus on two genres of games, Mini games and Party games.Javy03
Yes, I do know the 360 isn't known for it's longevity in more cases than M$ would like to admit (I'm guessing). I'm on my second. Depending on add-ons is hardly a problem. Look at the iPod. The rampant success that little thing has had is based a lot on all the 3rd party support. Hardly anyone makes 3rd party products for the Zune, but there are walls of iPod accessories. What it does is allow for personalization, and more importantly, versitility. Anyone who can afford a 360 can also afford $5 for online. You aren't going to miss it. That's a dollar menu lunch at McDonalds. After all I have read and seen, the 360 seems more versitile and more usefull as a multimedia box. I still have yet to be shown otherwise, but if you have more information that I don't have, I'm more than willing to hear you out. Yes but the ipods accessories to pretty up your ipod or custimize it or the 200 dollar add on to play HD movies without HDMI is not in the same category. The ipod is successful because its an MP3 player that offers style and multimedia functions like downloading music and movies. The add ons for that is merely cosmetic but the add ons for the 360 are more serious. They are expensive and for the purpose of getting the system to do things its competition does right out of the box. Pretty ipod skins and 100 dollar 20gb HDD, 200 dollar movie player, 20 dollar controller charger are not on the same level and do not help you custimize your 360. Thats what the face plate is for, the add ons allow the 360 to run at the capability of its competition or optimum potential. You shouldnt have to build a transformer to get that. As for online the truth of the matter is most of the gamers last gen did not play games online. Paying 50 dollars a year just didnt appeal to them. But guess what will appeal to the nononline gamer of last gen. Free online gaming. You can justify the price of online just like you can justify the 100 dollar difference between 360 and PS3, but the point is it will be a huge perk for some who like me did not online game until it was free. Exactly how is the 360 more versitile?? My Mac is connected to my 360, and it allows me to play all the music in my iTunes library, all the photos in my iPhoto library, and all the movies in my movies folder easily. I can download a demo, play a game, and listen to music from my computer at the same time. I don't know if the PS3 is capable of doing this. They're also implimenting additional techonlogy in the future (IPTV I think?...). I'm not sure on all the details, so I'm going to refrain from commenting on it too much. If someone wants to fill that gap, be my guest. Connecting media players to a 360 (such as an iPod or other device) is very simple, and your music, photos, and movies show up appropriately. On the PS3, you have to go rooting through catagorized folders on the iPod, which give you no indication of what song, artist, genre, etc. you may be looking for. The 360 has a universal menu that you can always access to see a wealth of information regardless of what I may be doing. I do not know if the PS3 offers this freedom. I believe the majority of 360 owners use XBOX Live in one fashion or another, be it the Silver or Gold memberships. I don't have stats to back up my claim, but I did read that a large percentage were gaming online. Based on what I've written here, what can the PS3 do? I'm very curious, because I don't know as much about it. This is why I ask.
360 and Wii, the PS3 is too damn hard to develope for, if it took the devs 6 years to use the PS2 to the fullest,(Just look at GoW2, best looking game on the PS2) it will take devs longer to use the PS3, the fact the PS3 is harder to make games for, means the Wii and 360 will have games out on time/early while the PS3's will be delayed.
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