When will the 360 start dominating the PS3's market??

So far the 360 has dominated the PS3 in every aspect. Better games in every genre, better looking third party games, better online play, lower price, better add ons, pretty much anything you could want better on a system the 360 has over the PS3. So why is the PS3 so popular?? Why are they are there still being so many sold?? Shouldn't the 360 be dominating all? What is the problem here?? Why can't the 360 become more popular??

So far the 360 has dominated the PS3 in every aspect. Better games in every genre, better looking third party games, better online play, lower price, better add ons, pretty much anything you could want better on a system the 360 has over the PS3. So why is the PS3 so popular?? Why are they are there still being so many sold?? Shouldn't the 360 be dominating all? What is the problem here?? Why can't the 360 become more popular??

poi__MD

Its been out a year longer thats why it has more/better games, The 360 may be cheaper but the PS3 has a better value, every add on the 360 has the PS3 has built in and people dont buy 360s because it has a high failure rate and most of its good games are shooters.

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So far the 360 has dominated the PS3 in every aspect. Better games in every genre, better looking third party games, better online play, lower price, better add ons, pretty much anything you could want better on a system the 360 has over the PS3. So why is the PS3 so popular?? Why are they are there still being so many sold?? Shouldn't the 360 be dominating all? What is the problem here?? Why can't the 360 become more popular??

MGS9150

Its been out a year longer thats why it has more/better games, The 360 may be cheaper but the PS3 has a better value, every add on the 360 has the PS3 has built in and people dont buy 360s because it has a high failure rate and most of its good games are shooters.

Agreeing with MGS9150 here. However Poi_MD is just creating another lemming thread - best to avoid at all costs.....

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So far the 360 has dominated the PS3 in every aspect. Better games in every genre, better looking third party games, better online play, lower price, better add ons, pretty much anything you could want better on a system the 360 has over the PS3. So why is the PS3 so popular?? Why are they are there still being so many sold?? Shouldn't the 360 be dominating all? What is the problem here?? Why can't the 360 become more popular??

MGS9150

Its been out a year longer thats why it has more/better games, The 360 may be cheaper but the PS3 has a better value, every add on the 360 has the PS3 has built in and people dont buy 360s because it has a high failure rate and most of its good games are shooters.

Go back to your fanboy homebase (PSN Home) and leave my topic alone.

Brand loyality is tough to overcome. People with an emotional attachment to something will defend it to the death, or to the flop whatever comes first.Riverwolf007

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So far the 360 has dominated the PS3 in every aspect. Better games in every genre, better looking third party games, better online play, lower price, better add ons, pretty much anything you could want better on a system the 360 has over the PS3. So why is the PS3 so popular?? Why are they are there still being so many sold?? Shouldn't the 360 be dominating all? What is the problem here?? Why can't the 360 become more popular??

poi__MD

Its been out a year longer thats why it has more/better games, The 360 may be cheaper but the PS3 has a better value, every add on the 360 has the PS3 has built in and people dont buy 360s because it has a high failure rate and most of its good games are shooters.

Go back to your fanboy homebase (PSN Home) and leave my topic alone.

Dude, i'm going to own all 3 consoles, I just dont agree with your post. The 360 is selling a little bit better than the origional xbox and its not dominating anything. So far around 25 million consoles have been sold this gen. Around 10 million 360s, 10 million wiis and 4.5 million PS3s. Last gen there were 120 million PS2 owners, 20 million xbox owners and 16 millon GC owners, this gen will be decided by which was those people migrate, for example if even half of the PS2 owners go towards the PS3 the PS3 will be in a great position to dominate the market. Right now it depends on what console these people buy so its really to early to tell who will win.

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So far the 360 has dominated the PS3 in every aspect. Better games in every genre, better looking third party games, better online play, lower price, better add ons, pretty much anything you could want better on a system the 360 has over the PS3. So why is the PS3 so popular?? Why are they are there still being so many sold?? Shouldn't the 360 be dominating all? What is the problem here?? Why can't the 360 become more popular??

MGS9150

Its been out a year longer thats why it has more/better games, The 360 may be cheaper but the PS3 has a better value, every add on the 360 has the PS3 has built in and people dont buy 360s because it has a high failure rate and most of its good games are shooters.

Go back to your fanboy homebase (PSN Home) and leave my topic alone.

Dude, i'm going to own all 3 consoles, I just dont agree with your post. The 360 is selling a little bit better than the origional xbox and its not dominating anything. So far around 25 million consoles have been sold this gen. Around 10 million 360s, 10 million wiis and 4.5 million PS3s. Last gen there were 120 million PS2 owners, 20 million xbox owners and 16 millon GC owners, this gen will be decided by which was those people migrate, for example if even half of the PS2 owners go towards the PS3 the PS3 will be in a great position to dominate the market. Right now it depends on what console these people buy so its really to early to tell who will win.

I don't see the 360 ever dominating because it doesn't sell in Japan and Europeans don't seem to beinterested in the brand. I don't think that the people see the 360 as "better" just better at the moment. The big problem is , every ps2 owner doesn't have to decide on a ps3 or 360 right now.

What are these better add-ons you are referring to ?

when it hits the casual's "sweet spot"... ie; $250 or lower...

that's when the ps2 took off.

the idea that people will remain loyal to brand regardless of pricing is the same fatal flaw sony had that landed them in last place.

i also think the ps's market has already been cracked. Most ASSUME the 360's were sold to "only xbox owners".. which may, or may not be true....

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So far the 360 has dominated the PS3 in every aspect. Better games in every genre, better looking third party games, better online play, lower price, better add ons, pretty much anything you could want better on a system the 360 has over the PS3. So why is the PS3 so popular?? Why are they are there still being so many sold?? Shouldn't the 360 be dominating all? What is the problem here?? Why can't the 360 become more popular??

loopy_101

Its been out a year longer thats why it has more/better games, The 360 may be cheaper but the PS3 has a better value, every add on the 360 has the PS3 has built in and people dont buy 360s because it has a high failure rate and most of its good games are shooters.

Agreeing with MGS9150 here. However Poi_MD is just creating another lemming thread - best to avoid at all costs.....

Umm, last time I checked the 360 was beating the PS3.ganon546

And the PS2 is outselling both. The real question is when will the PS3 start dominating the PS2 market.

[QUOTE="ganon546"]Umm, last time I checked the 360 was beating the PS3.Puppa_Shogun

And the PS2 is outselling both. The real question is when will the PS3 start dominating the PS2 market.

[QUOTE="ganon546"]Umm, last time I checked the 360 was beating the PS3.Puppa_Shogun

And the PS2 is outselling both. The real question is when will the PS3 start dominating the PS2 market.

If Sony can get even half the PS2 userbase to buy PS3s they will have a huge advantage.

last time i checked the 360 has been otuselling the ps3 here in NAever since the ps3 came out, even after the ps3 had there "price drop" the 360 still outsold it.

In Japan the ps3 is outselling the 360 everyone already assumed that this would happen, however the wii is overtaking the ps3 in sony land

europe is undecided some places favor the ps3 others favor the 360

over all i think that without north america sony could lose this gen

look im sick of all this x box is the best stuff man it is getting old .I like the x box and the ps3 i have them both but why the hell do you need a x box when you have a good pc ,im selling the x box to get i wii and i know when i have a wii,ps3 and a pc i wont need an x box . Most of the good games on the 360 are out for the pc or will be comming out soon. Bioshock on my pc looks beter than on my x box factdarbyshireandy

For the millions and millions of people who don't have a PC who can run Bioshock, or who wanted Gears of War last Nov., or Halo 3 this year (and not 2009 or 2010), for the people who like Blue Dragon, Forza, Dead Rising, Crackdown, who are looking forward to Mass Effect, Lost Odyssey. For people who want to play Madden on a console (the vast majority), and want it to run smoothly, for people who want the better version of most multiplats. Those are the people who want an Xbox 360. Those are the people that don't need PC gaming, or a PS3. And you know what? No matter what any cow or hermit says, there are a lot of "those" people in the world.

So far the 360 has dominated the PS3 in every aspect. Better games in every genre, better looking third party games, better online play, lower price, better add ons, pretty much anything you could want better on a system the 360 has over the PS3. So why is the PS3 so popular?? Why are they are there still being so many sold?? Shouldn't the 360 be dominating all? What is the problem here?? Why can't the 360 become more popular??

poi__MD

Are you joking? If PS3 is popular, then Gamecube was popular as well. Because based on the way PS3 is selling at this moment, it will do Gamecube type numbers in 5 years. Now, that may change, but make no mistake. PS3 is not popular by a long-shot.

So far the 360 has dominated the PS3 in every aspect. Better games in every genre, better looking third party games, better online play, lower price, better add ons, pretty much anything you could want better on a system the 360 has over the PS3. So why is the PS3 so popular?? Why are they are there still being so many sold?? Shouldn't the 360 be dominating all? What is the problem here?? Why can't the 360 become more popular??

poi__MD

And yet PS3 has virtually matched Xbox 360 sales rate. Imagine how PS3 will sell with it's BIG games from all kinds of genres, when 3rd parties max out the CELL, when HOME comes out, when it gets a price drop, and when Blue-Ray emerges as the format winner.

So to answer you're question, it will never dominate PS3s market. Xbox 360 is going to have it's best holiday season this year, they will have used pretty much all of thier BIG assets to drive Xbox 360 sales. PS3 still has ALOT of franchises from last gen to use, and ALOT of price drops to happen. PS3 is going to benefit most from price drops too, simply because it is targeted towards a more mainstream market whereas Xbox 360 is a hardcore gamer console, and hardcore gamers are more willing to spend 400 dollars on a console with an already outstanding game library.

last time i checked the 360 has been otuselling the ps3 here in NAever since the ps3 came out, even after the ps3 had there "price drop" the 360 still outsold it.

In Japan the ps3 is outselling the 360 everyone already assumed that this would happen, however the wii is overtaking the ps3 in sony land

europe is undecided some places favor the ps3 others favor the 360

over all i think that without north america sony could lose this gen

ParadiddleFill

the nown fact why the ps 3 is not selling as much as the wii or the 360. because of the ps 2 still selling strong. someone says that the 360 is selling more na that sony does not have NA well look again the ps 2 is still out selling the 360 now if this is true most people are not ready to go to next gen. ps 3 will sell like hot cakes in 2 to 3 years out selling all of them because of the 140 million user base. someone will say well nin got dethroned well last time i check the snes did not sell 140 million so Sony's user base was only had to over come nin user base. the next nown fact is that 360 users and wii users base had no choice but to buy 360 and the wii. because the user base had nothing else to play. now when the ps user base is ready in 2 to 3 years when finally the ps 2 will slow down in sales they will jump to the ps 3 not all of them but most of 140 million user base.GARRYTH

That may be a bit exaggerated, but it's a pretty good point.

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"]the nown fact why the ps 3 is not selling as much as the wii or the 360. because of the ps 2 still selling strong. someone says that the 360 is selling more na that sony does not have NA well look again the ps 2 is still out selling the 360 now if this is true most people are not ready to go to next gen. ps 3 will sell like hot cakes in 2 to 3 years out selling all of them because of the 140 million user base. someone will say well nin got dethroned well last time i check the snes did not sell 140 million so Sony's user base was only had to over come nin user base. the next nown fact is that 360 users and wii users base had no choice but to buy 360 and the wii. because the user base had nothing else to play. now when the ps user base is ready in 2 to 3 years when finally the ps 2 will slow down in sales they will jump to the ps 3 not all of them but most of 140 million user base.Trading_Zoner

That may be a bit exaggerated, but it's a pretty good point.

Took me a while to understand after rereading it but what he means is that both MS and Nintendo discontinue their support for their old consoles therefore meaning their fans of the their consoles had to go to next gen to keep.

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So far the 360 has dominated the PS3 in every aspect. Better games in every genre, better looking third party games, better online play, lower price, better add ons, pretty much anything you could want better on a system the 360 has over the PS3. So why is the PS3 so popular?? Why are they are there still being so many sold?? Shouldn't the 360 be dominating all? What is the problem here?? Why can't the 360 become more popular??

Trading_Zoner

And yet PS3 has virtually matched Xbox 360 sales rate. Imagine how PS3 will sell with it's BIG games from all kinds of genres, when 3rd parties max out the CELL, when HOME comes out, when it gets a price drop, and when Blue-Ray emerges as the format winner.

So to answer you're question, it will never dominate PS3s market. Xbox 360 is going to have it's best holiday season this year, they will have used pretty much all of thier BIG assets to drive Xbox 360 sales. PS3 still has ALOT of franchises from last gen to use, and ALOT of price drops to happen. PS3 is going to benefit most from price drops too, simply because it is targeted towards a more mainstream market whereas Xbox 360 is a hardcore gamer console, and hardcore gamers are more willing to spend 400 dollars on a console with an already outstanding game library.

These are all valid points, but the problem with this logic is that Microsoft still has the position of power here. If the PS3 has another drop in price, Microsoft will respond by similarly lowering the price of the 360. I agree that the price point of both systems is still mostly in the "hardcore" market, but MS is very close to having the 360 Pro ($350) into the mainstream market, and another price drop will probably place it there. Besides, there are a million other things MS can afford to do if it wants, like bundling the HD-DVD player with the 360 (this would result in a pretty decent spike in sales, if there was a worthwhile price adjustment), and if Home does well (for free), MS could easily either lower the subscription rate of Live, or get rid of it altogether. The fact of the matter is, the PS3's library is proving again and again to be underwhelming (every exclusive that comes out seems not to live up to hype), and as the system is dead last right now,Sony isgoing to need something fairly extreme (a true differentiator) if they want to outsell Microsoft's console.

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Why can't the 360 become more popular??

MGS9150

Most of its good games are shooters.

Not true.

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So far the 360 has dominated the PS3 in every aspect. Better games in every genre, better looking third party games, better online play, lower price, better add ons, pretty much anything you could want better on a system the 360 has over the PS3. So why is the PS3 so popular?? Why are they are there still being so many sold?? Shouldn't the 360 be dominating all? What is the problem here?? Why can't the 360 become more popular??

SeanBond

And yet PS3 has virtually matched Xbox 360 sales rate. Imagine how PS3 will sell with it's BIG games from all kinds of genres, when 3rd parties max out the CELL, when HOME comes out, when it gets a price drop, and when Blue-Ray emerges as the format winner.

So to answer you're question, it will never dominate PS3s market. Xbox 360 is going to have it's best holiday season this year, they will have used pretty much all of thier BIG assets to drive Xbox 360 sales. PS3 still has ALOT of franchises from last gen to use, and ALOT of price drops to happen. PS3 is going to benefit most from price drops too, simply because it is targeted towards a more mainstream market whereas Xbox 360 is a hardcore gamer console, and hardcore gamers are more willing to spend 400 dollars on a console with an already outstanding game library.

These are all valid points, but the problem with this logic is that Microsoft still has the position of power here. If the PS3 has another drop in price, Microsoft will respond by similarly lowering the price of the 360. I agree that the price point of both systems is still mostly in the "hardcore" market, but MS is very close to having the 360 Pro ($350) into the mainstream market, and another price drop will probably place it there. Besides, there are a million other things MS can afford to do if it wants, like bundling the HD-DVD player with the 360 (this would result in a pretty decent spike in sales, if there was a worthwhile price adjustment), and if Home does well (for free), MS could easily either lower the subscription rate of Live, or get rid of it altogether. The fact of the matter is, the PS3's library is proving again and again to be underwhelming (every exclusive that comes out seems not to live up to hype), and as the system is dead last right now,Sony isgoing to need something fairly extreme (a true differentiator) if they want to outsell Microsoft's console.

Is FFXIII, GT5 and MGS4 enough?

That's like three halos right there in a single year. And they STILL have plenty of franchises left to use.

And yes I know MS could drop the price of the Xbox 360 if sony did, but what I'm saying is: PS3 would benefit more from being an affordable console than Xbox 360 because Xbox 360 is mainly a hardcore gamers console, and core gamers are willing to spend the money on a 360 which has an awesome game lineup already.

Err, it already is taking over the PS3's market just because it's cheaper... that's why it's sold more than double the PS3 so far... :?Funkyhamster

So, the fact that it's been out "double" the time doesn't have anything to do with that?

Umm, last time I checked the 360 was beating the PS3.ganon546

Last time I checked the PS2 was beating 360. But that doesn't make a good argument does it. Becuase the PS2 had been released way before 360. Difference is not as big between PS3 and 360 but you should get my point.

[QUOTE="SeanBond"][QUOTE="Trading_Zoner"][QUOTE="poi__MD"]

So far the 360 has dominated the PS3 in every aspect. Better games in every genre, better looking third party games, better online play, lower price, better add ons, pretty much anything you could want better on a system the 360 has over the PS3. So why is the PS3 so popular?? Why are they are there still being so many sold?? Shouldn't the 360 be dominating all? What is the problem here?? Why can't the 360 become more popular??

Trading_Zoner

And yet PS3 has virtually matched Xbox 360 sales rate. Imagine how PS3 will sell with it's BIG games from all kinds of genres, when 3rd parties max out the CELL, when HOME comes out, when it gets a price drop, and when Blue-Ray emerges as the format winner.

So to answer you're question, it will never dominate PS3s market. Xbox 360 is going to have it's best holiday season this year, they will have used pretty much all of thier BIG assets to drive Xbox 360 sales. PS3 still has ALOT of franchises from last gen to use, and ALOT of price drops to happen. PS3 is going to benefit most from price drops too, simply because it is targeted towards a more mainstream market whereas Xbox 360 is a hardcore gamer console, and hardcore gamers are more willing to spend 400 dollars on a console with an already outstanding game library.

These are all valid points, but the problem with this logic is that Microsoft still has the position of power here. If the PS3 has another drop in price, Microsoft will respond by similarly lowering the price of the 360. I agree that the price point of both systems is still mostly in the "hardcore" market, but MS is very close to having the 360 Pro ($350) into the mainstream market, and another price drop will probably place it there. Besides, there are a million other things MS can afford to do if it wants, like bundling the HD-DVD player with the 360 (this would result in a pretty decent spike in sales, if there was a worthwhile price adjustment), and if Home does well (for free), MS could easily either lower the subscription rate of Live, or get rid of it altogether. The fact of the matter is, the PS3's library is proving again and again to be underwhelming (every exclusive that comes out seems not to live up to hype), and as the system is dead last right now,Sony isgoing to need something fairly extreme (a true differentiator) if they want to outsell Microsoft's console.

Is FFXIII, GT5 and MGS4 enough?

That's like three halos right there in a single year. And they STILL have plenty of franchises left to use.

And yes I know MS could drop the price of the Xbox 360 if sony did, but what I'm saying is: PS3 would benefit more from being an affordable console than Xbox 360 because Xbox 360 is mainly a hardcore gamers console, and core gamers are willing to spend the money on a 360 which has an awesome game lineup already.

FFXIII will be a huge game, no doubt (although XII wasn't as big here in the States as Gears was, so you have to take it with a grain of salt),GT5 will definitely be a great exclusive,and MGS4 (if it stays exclusive) will also push the PS3 brand name, but A) comparing any of those games to Halo is a little naive because Halo is much more of a phenomenon than said titles, and B) no, I don't consider 3 huge games to be a big enough differentiator, as the 360 will doubtless have some huge games next year as well.

The point I was trying to make, is that going "game for game" isn't going to be what gives Sony the win this time. The 360 is already sucking up a huge part of 3rd party devs' projects, so it's not like next year the PS3 will be the only console with games. Sony needs to figure out something that it can do that the 360 and Wii can't (like blu-ray), and use that as their secret weapon. When I bought my PS3, blu-ray was essentially the only reason I bought it, and for the majority of people in the world, this isn't the biggest selling point ofanygaming system (because the majority of people don't have an HDTV, or just haven't seen the need to switch over to an HD video format yet), let alone a $500 one. If Sony wants the PS3 to win, they have to show thatthe PS3 doesn'tjust have great games like the 360, but thatit also have unique things to offer. In other words, the consumer needs to be shown exactly why the PS3 is worth more than the 360, even though it has a smaller library.

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So far the 360 has dominated the PS3 in every aspect. Better games in every genre, better looking third party games, better online play, lower price, better add ons, pretty much anything you could want better on a system the 360 has over the PS3. So why is the PS3 so popular?? Why are they are there still being so many sold?? Shouldn't the 360 be dominating all? What is the problem here?? Why can't the 360 become more popular??

AvIdGaMeR444

Are you joking? If PS3 is popular, then Gamecube was popular as well. Because based on the way PS3 is selling at this moment, it will do Gamecube type numbers in 5 years. Now, that may change, but make no mistake. PS3 is not popular by a long-shot.

Well gamecube didn't cost $500+. It would be doing so much better if it wasn't a pricey behemoth.

Why are lemmings so defensive when you say the PS3 has the better value? Just because you don't use every single feature it doesn't mean it's not true, and even as a console it won't exactly be weak by this year's end.Xolver

I think for a lot of people (especially the ones who don't own an HDTV), the PS3 is overpriced. Would you pay $500 or $600 for a system with the PS3's current lineup, if the PS3 didn't have a blu-ray player built in? I know I wouldn't. I 100% agree that the PS3 is a better value, but from a strictly gaming standpoint, that has yet to be proven.

MS shouldnt be worried about PS3, they should be worried about the WiiYoruichii

If I own a car (360) should I worry that people are also buying bicycles (Wii) and that some people are able to afford Ferraris (ps3)?

So far the 360 has dominated the PS3 in every aspect. Better games in every genre, better looking third party games, better online play, lower price, better add ons, pretty much anything you could want better on a system the 360 has over the PS3. So why is the PS3 so popular?? Why are they are there still being so many sold?? Shouldn't the 360 be dominating all? What is the problem here?? Why can't the 360 become more popular??

poi__MD

last time i checked the 360 has been otuselling the ps3 here in NAever since the ps3 came out, even after the ps3 had there "price drop" the 360 still outsold it.

In Japan the ps3 is outselling the 360 everyone already assumed that this would happen, however the wii is overtaking the ps3 in sony land

europe is undecided some places favor the ps3 others favor the 360

over all i think that without north america sony could lose this gen

ParadiddleFill

And Wii is beating 360 in Microsoft land...

Also, just noticed, Ps3 is catching up to 360 in weekly sales, being that the 360 has 3 times more titles avaliable, costs almost half and has more than twice the ammount of AAA titles.

The thing is... It failed and died inJapan. It really needs casuals but no hope there. It's dying in Europe.

The 360 will be dead last this generation.

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last time i checked the 360 has been otuselling the ps3 here in NAever since the ps3 came out, even after the ps3 had there "price drop" the 360 still outsold it.

In Japan the ps3 is outselling the 360 everyone already assumed that this would happen, however the wii is overtaking the ps3 in sony land

europe is undecided some places favor the ps3 others favor the 360

over all i think that without north america sony could lose this gen

GARRYTH

stop hiding behind ps2 sales, when the 360 is at 200 or less who do you think thr ps2 owners will jump too?

[QUOTE="ganon546"]Umm, last time I checked the 360 was beating the PS3.Puppa_Shogun

And the PS2 is outselling both. The real question is when will the PS3 start dominating the PS2 market.

when sony stop supporting the ps2 and "force" them to go next-gen like microsoft did.

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[QUOTE="ganon546"]Umm, last time I checked the 360 was beating the PS3.snipe2004

And the PS2 is outselling both. The real question is when will the PS3 start dominating the PS2 market.

when sony stop supporting the ps2 and "force" them to go next-gen like microsoft did.

people are still buying ps2's cause there cheap and have alot of games not because there sony fans, when the 360 goes down to 200 or less the same story will happen