Was PS4 over-criticized for its launch year?

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#101  Edited By Thunderdrone
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@SolidGame_basic said:

@bunchanumbers: @Thunderdrone: ok, I will update the list where applicable. the point is I think PS4 had a very good year despite what people say as a perceived lack of games. I just think the system has been more scrutinized than the other two. and as for your nintendo examples, like I said, we're comparing year 2 of Wii U to year 1 of PS4

You want to compare it to Wii U year one?

Okay:

RETAIL

  • The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD
  • Wii Fit U
  • Wii Party U
  • New Super Luigi U
  • Game & Wario
  • Pikmin 3
  • Super Mario 3D World

Eshop

  • Art Academy: SketchPad
  • Pokémon Rumble U (Ambrella + Nintendo SPD)
  • NES Remix 1

TOTAL = 10

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#102  Edited By SolidGame_basic
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@Stevo_the_gamer said:

@SolidGame_basic said:

@Stevo_the_gamer said:

I'm rather confused, did you call the PS4's first year "amazing"?

18 million PS4s is not amazing?

So... we're on the sales card when your OP was about games?

So it wasn't amazing? for all the announcements, third party support, indies, and first party support?

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#103 lostrib
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@SolidGame_basic: just because there was support doesn't mean the games were good (or amazing) as your list shows

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#104  Edited By SolidGame_basic
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@Thunderdrone: @Stevo_the_gamer: so is the scrutiny that PS4 has gotten for its launch year justified? exaggerated? fanboyism? because from my point of view, compared to other launch years, it's doing really well. there were great games all around, from third party, indies, first party, and more.

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#105 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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@SolidGame_basic said:

@Stevo_the_gamer said:

So... we're on the sales card when your OP was about games?

So it wasn't amazing? for all the announcements, third party support, indies, and first party support?

Is this thread about sales or games?

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#106  Edited By bunchanumbers
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@Thunderdrone:

CounterSpy:

The game is being developed with assistance from SCE Foster City Studio, which has previously worked on games in the Uncharted,Infamous, and Resistance series of video games.[6] While historically known for collaborating with the series' respective large development studios, CounterSpy marks the first time they've teamed up with an indie development team, "Dynamighty".[6] The team, while classified as "indie", comprises past staff from LucasArts and Pixar.[7]

w@bunchanumbers said:

How come you still haven't added Minecraft and Kinect Sports Rivals to the Xbox list?

Or why haven't you haven't added Wii Fit U and Dr. Luigi for the Wii U list? Bayonetta 2 and Hyrule Warriors is also co developed by Nintendo SPD. So according to your standards it would be first party assisted so acceptable to your standards. The first NES Remix, Wii Sports Club, and Mario and Sonic @ the winter games is also in your time frame. Pushmo World is also developed by Intelligent Systems and Nintendo too.

So here's what you need to add to the Wii U list according to the requirements you set.

  • Wii Fit U
  • Dr. Luigi
  • Bayonettta 2
  • Hyrule Warriors
  • NES Remix
  • Wii Sports Club
  • Mario & Sonic at the Sochi Winter Games
  • Pushmo World

lol did you read the OP at all?

All of those games match the criteria you set. Update your list.

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#107  Edited By SolidGame_basic
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@Stevo_the_gamer said:

@SolidGame_basic said:

@Stevo_the_gamer said:

So... we're on the sales card when your OP was about games?

So it wasn't amazing? for all the announcements, third party support, indies, and first party support?

Is this thread about sales or games?

this thread is about the perceived criticism/scrutiny that PS4 has been getting for its launch year. do the other two systems get the same level of scrutiny? it seems to me PS4 gets the most heat, even though it's first year was pretty successful.

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#108 Thunderdrone
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@SolidGame_basic said:

@Thunderdrone: @Stevo_the_gamer: so is the scrutiny that PS4 has gotten for its launch year justified? exaggerated? fanboyism? because from my point of view, compared to other launch years, it's doing really well. there were great games all around, from third party, indies, first party, and more.

Your thread is predicated on your belief that they released more first party games in a year than nintendo or M$. That is 100% not true.

As for the scrutiny PS4's first party stuff is under; Its justified when part of their limited efforts are plagued with bugs, broken features and clearly unfinished and/rushed elements. They are by far leading the home console market and making the big bucks, and none of that seems to be proportionally reflected in internal efforts. Even after abandoning their second pillar, the Vita, their productivity is way below Nintendo's.

Not only that, the company actually chose to restructure and close down veteran first party dev-teams like Sony Liverpool, while on a massive fucking financial upswing.

Meanwhile Nintendo maintains the highest percentage of employee retention of all three console makers, with a financial bomb of a home console on the market.

Yes, they deserve shit for being lazy.

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#109 SolidGame_basic
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@Thunderdrone: I can understand how my post may have been misconstured. That wasn't my intention. All I was saying is that comparatively speaking, I really didn't think the selection of games were that bad considering the library as a whole. Wii U may have had some great 1st party titles, but as a whole, it was really lacking in the games department. I changed the subject title to make the question more direct.

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#110 bunchanumbers
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@Thunderdrone said:

@SolidGame_basic said:

@bunchanumbers: @Thunderdrone: ok, I will update the list where applicable. the point is I think PS4 had a very good year despite what people say as a perceived lack of games. I just think the system has been more scrutinized than the other two. and as for your nintendo examples, like I said, we're comparing year 2 of Wii U to year 1 of PS4

You want to compare it to Wii U year one?

Okay:

RETAIL

  • The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD
  • Wii Fit U
  • Wii Party U
  • New Super Luigi U
  • Game & Wario
  • Pikmin 3
  • Super Mario 3D World

Eshop

  • Art Academy: SketchPad
  • Pokémon Rumble U (Ambrella + Nintendo SPD)
  • NES Remix 1

TOTAL = 10

You also forgot Nintendoland, NSMBU as well.

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#111  Edited By Thunderdrone
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Where the hell did my post go?

Fuckin hell this site blows. It chugs, lags and bugs out like some shit slapped together in 10 minutes by an intern, wtf

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#113 opex07
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@SolidGame_basic said:

@opex07 said:

@SolidGame_basic said:
@opex07 said:

It would because the majority of PS4s titles have not been received well and have reviewed as below quality titles. Outside of last generation ports and indie games their is only 1 game on the PS4s list to have received an AA or higher.

That's pretty silly. When someone buys a system, they buy all the games available to it.

I usually expect people to buy next gen systems to play next gen games, other wise you can stick to your last gen system to play last gen games in terms of old ports, but are you recommending people go out and buy the Knacks, and Ryse's of game libraries just because they are available to you, what happened to the high standards that this thread is based on?

It's pretty clear what I wrote in the OP. So if you guys didn't bother reading it, that's fine lol. I should know better than to actually write something in this forum lol.

I clearly quoted you and responded to your own text, I don't understand why that wouldn't suggest I had read your text.

You clearly asked why the PS4 is being scrutinized for a lack of games, and I gave probably the largest reason why at this point in time.

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@darkspineslayer: I've been doing this since summer 2005... what are you going to do, mod me? Push another long term user away from the community?

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#115  Edited By Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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@SolidGame_basic said:

@Stevo_the_gamer said:

Is this thread about sales or games?

this thread is about the perceived criticism/scrutiny that PS4 has been getting for its launch year. do the other two systems get the same level of scrutiny? it seems to me PS4 gets the most heat, even though it's first year was pretty successful.

Successful sales wise, or games? Your OP is practically entirely about games, yet it's hard to keep track on where your goal posts are placed.

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@darkspineslayer: I've been doing this since summer 2005... what are you going to do, mod me? Push another long term user away from the community?

I don't intend to antagonize you, but I am just telling you to ease up on antagonizing other users here. There's loads of constructive discussion and discourse about the demerits of the hype cycle, including as it applies to Sony and Sony fans, to be had, and I believe you are more than capable of leading such a discussion.

All I am asking you to do is to live up to the standard you've set for yourself.

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#117 Seabas989
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With all those sales you'd think Sony would release more quality first party games.

So far the only game I'd get for the PS4 is Guilty Gear Xrd which can also be played on the PS3.

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#118 bunchanumbers
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@SolidGame_basic said:

@bunchanumbers: @Thunderdrone: ok, I will update the list where applicable. the point is I think PS4 had a very good year despite what people say as a perceived lack of games. I just think the system has been more scrutinized than the other two. and as for your nintendo examples, like I said, we're comparing year 2 of Wii U to year 1 of PS4 and Sony still has the multiplat & indie advantage

Thank you for clarifying your title. In fairness the first year releases of all 3 consoles were highly scrutinized. After all its coming off of one of the console cycles in gaming history. You should have started on this tangent.

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All 3 consoles are weak. Exclusives wise the WiiU did better, but that's a system that offers nothing but exclusives.

Judged independently for someone that isn't a PC gamer, the PS4 and X1 had a decent, if unspectacular start with their first year. Once more of the A-list third party games come out, it'll be all good in the hood. That said for a year to have Alien Isolation, Wolfenstein, The Evil Within, Dragon Age, Far Cry 4, Valiant Hearts, Child of Light, Shadow of Mordor, Geo Wars 3, Strider, Tales from the Borderlands, Telltale's stuff, Transistor, Advanced Warfare, etc you had this crazy thing called options.

With the WiiU if you didn't like Bayonetta 2 for instance, you basically didn't like what...20% (i'm probably overselling it when I say the system had 5 worth a damn games this year) of the games that were worth a damn to purchase this year for that system?

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#120 wolverine4262
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Its not lack of games. Its lack of good games. I guess cows cant wrap their heads around that. They only play screenshots and sales.

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#121 Daious
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Xbox and PS4 had poor launch years.

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#122 lostrib
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the new topic needs some explanation. In what ways do you think they were over criticized and by who?

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#123  Edited By joel_c17
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It got the most hate because it was the most popular - plus the media love hating on sony because it gets them hits.

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#125 Robert_Mueller
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@SolidGame_basic said:

Was PS4 over-criticized for its launch year?

Of course it was. From my perspective, it was a rather normal concole launch. No sane person would expect the first year of a new console to be overwhelming with repect to game library.

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#126 SolidGame_basic
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@robert_mueller said:
@SolidGame_basic said:

Was PS4 over-criticized for its launch year?

Of course it was. From my perspective, it was a rather normal concole launch. No sane person would expect the first year of a new console to be overwhelming with repect to game library.

Agreed. In my opinion, it did better than what was expected for a launch year. I think third party support along with Sony's great marketing (E3 and Playstation Experience), made a great argument for why PS4 is the best all around gaming platform.

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@robert_mueller said:
@SolidGame_basic said:

Was PS4 over-criticized for its launch year?

Of course it was. From my perspective, it was a rather normal concole launch. No sane person would expect the first year of a new console to be overwhelming with repect to game library.

Even the PS3 had a better received exclusive library in its first year than the PS4, and the PS3 last generation at that time was considered a laughing stock. I wouldn't exactly go with "normal" being a fair assessment.

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#128  Edited By mems_1224
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xbone and wiiu were criticized a lot more their first year and they're better systems. sony has been getting a massive blowjob from fanboys since ps4 and xbone were announced. if anything, it hasn't been criticized enough

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#129 onesiphorus
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I do not remember any criticism of Sony for its PS4 launch year.

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#130 YD_11
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No. Ps4 was 3rd out of 3 over its first year

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#131 Notorious1234NA
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@onesiphorus said:

I do not remember any criticism of Sony for its PS4 launch year.

prob cuz hardly any and competition sucks so bad

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#132 mitu123
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No, it was criticized fairly.

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#133 Snugenz
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@mitu123 said:

No, it was criticized fairly.

As a day 1 PS4 buyer i agree with this.

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#135 mitu123
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@Snugenz said:

@mitu123 said:

No, it was criticized fairly.

As a day 1 PS4 buyer i agree with this.

I'm also a day one PS4 buyer, hell I bought some PS4 games before the system was out.

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#136 HalcyonScarlet
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People hyped the PS4 and it's yet to deliver. I doubt it will this year either.