Ultra Street Fighter II on Nintendo Switch caters to Old Timers

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#1  Edited By iandizion713
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Capcom wants to cater to all

Remember back in the day when you were super good at the 2D fighting games. Remember how you could compete all day everyday. Then remember when you got old and started to notice a slight decline in skill. It happens. Thank goodness for Capcom, theyve come to save the day. Heres some questions from IGN Jose,

Why choose Street Fight II?

“As you may know, this year is the 30th anniversary of Street Fighter,” Ono said."

"Considering how Nintendo caters to a wide audience of users, we wanted to go back to our roots. "

“Ultra Street FIghter II is based on Street Fighter Turbo, but there are also some new elements added in,” he explained. “So for instance one example is that there are now there are grapple breaks in it. We brought something old and added new seasoning to it so it would be a little bit fresher.”

Why two art styles?

“The Switch caters to a wide audience, and the people who played the original Street Fighter 2 on Super Nintendo are used to the retro-style graphics," Ono said. "Those players are now 30, 40, 50 years old, and they have become parents who are getting their kids into gaming, too. By adding the retro graphics, you give the older crowd a sense of nostalgia and remind them of the original. At the same time, with the current HD graphics, we can appeal to their kids as well. Parents and the kids can play together and say, ‘This is how we used to play this game back in the day.’ And kids can enjoy it without feeling that the game is too retro.”

The Team Making Ultra Street Fighter II Is a Mix of Young and Old Developers

“Ultra Street Fighter II is being developed internally and the team is kind of an interesting one,” Ono explained. “We have some people who are old enough to have worked on Street Fighter 2, and then the people underneath that worked on Street Fighter 5 and Marvel Vs Capcom Infinite, which we announced back in December. We also have a group of really young developers in their mid-to-late ‘20s or who just graduated college. So we have a really wide range of ages inside of the development team, and it’s wide enough that the older folks on the team could be the parents of the younger ones. I think that matches the audience that Nintendo Switch has, so we feel that we could use that kind of relationship to find a good development point going forward for this title.”

What happens when those developers play competitively?

“Unfortunately the younger developers are actually a little bit quicker, and the older people, who may have been amazing when they were younger, are starting to lose when they fight competitively against each other in the game. Some of the other developers and I are realizing it’s really been 30 years, and we were much better at competitive play when we started on the Street Fighter series.”

Ono stated there would be a mode where players can perform simple commands.

“I mentions it in presentations as something for people who are starting out and aren’t used to dishing out commands in Street Fighter,” he explained,”but secretly, I implemented it for the older players who might not be as good now to help them get that extra boost.”

Release date for the game?

“We haven’t announced the specific date but, as you have seen, the presentation from Japan mentioned that the Switch would come out March 3rd,” he said. “We would like to try to release it in close proximity of that date.”

For the full interview,

http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/01/20/6-things-we-learned-about-ultra-street-fighter-ii-on-nintendo-switch

How bout you System Warriors? Looking forward to some good old Street Fighter II in a fresh new mix? Do you like the goal to cater to all? Do you want to win it all?

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#2 dynamitecop
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Anyone who pays $40 for this is a moron.

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#3 freedomfreak
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It's 40 fucking dollars? Good jesus

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#4  Edited By iandizion713
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@freedomfreak: @dynamitecop: Get a job homiez! It cost to play the boss.

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#5 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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$40 is far too much for an enhanced SNES port. Capcom are out of their minds for charging that much for it. Even Ultra Street Fighter 4 on PS4 was less than $30.

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#6 freedomfreak
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@iandizion713: But I have a job.

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@iandizion713:

1. Is it based on Super Street Fighter 2 or just based on Turbo with Cammy, DeeJay, T Hawk and Fei Long being in it?

2. Street Fighter 2 HD remix is a $1.99 on the PStore.

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#8 iandizion713
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@freedomfreak: Then buy some Street Fighter II on Switch.

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@iandizion713: nah

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#10  Edited By iandizion713
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This game is completely different from the PS3/360 cheap digital version, rumor is that one sucked and players didnt like the rebalancing. This version is redone with a ton of added stuff.

There are two graphic options confirmed, which are Classic and HD Remix graphics. However, the characters' character select/victory and defeat/continue arts are remastered from classic graphics version's arts. There is also Dramatic Battle Mode that was featured in home versions of Street Fighter Alpha games.[1] A new soundtrack has been produced for the game, with the music being closer to Super Street Fighter II Turbo and not being remixes with unique styles.

Akuma is now a regularly selectable character in addition of Random Select, and two new characters have been added as well: Evil Ryu and Violent Ken. This marks Violent Ken's first appearance in a mainline Street Fighter game. Evil Ryu retains most of his moves from Ultra Street Fighter IV and his voice is an altered version of Ryu's, sounding more demonic. Violent Ken has new tools carried over from SVC Chaos, such as his command teleport dash, Rasetsu Kyaku.[2].

The game has a few changes from Super Street Fighter II Turbo. Teching throws is now possible[3]. The balance changes from HD Remix aren't returning for Ultra Street Fighter II, with characters retaining their gameplay from Super Street Fighter II Turbo. This means certain moves and changes from HD Remix, like the addition of Ryu's fake Hadoken and Zangief's Spinning Piledriver being a "180" motion are not in the game.

People need to stop trying to price everything the same. You cant price greatness.

Also, trivia,

If the graphic setting is in HD Remix, the characters will use the Japanese voice actors and sound effects from the current Street Fighter games since Street Fighter IV onwards. While Classic graphic settings' sounds remained the same as the previous Street Fighter II update series.

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#11 Sollet
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@dynamitecop said:

Anyone who pays $40 for this is a moron.

You'd be surpised with the amount of morons that will buy this.

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Overpriced.

DOA.

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Overpriced and outdated. Seems in line with the rest of the switch

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I'd pay $5 max for this. And even at that price I still don't know.

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#15  Edited By adsparky
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The game looks pretty good, but It should be in the $10-$20 range.

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#16 LegatoSkyheart
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$15 max, $40 is too pricey.

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#17  Edited By deactivated-5c1d0901c2aec
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Street Fighter II will always remain a classic but the newly added features don't sound like they amount to $40. Especially considering that a number of the assets such as the hand-drawn art was previously created for Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix.

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LOL SWITCH

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#19 deactivated-5c1d0901c2aec
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Don't be like that, man. :/

There are some of us who are looking forward to the Switch.

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A cash grab that needs no attention.

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#21  Edited By deactivated-6092a2d005fba
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Just say no.

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#22 VFighter
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The "updated" graphics look horrible, in motion the game looks so clunky and the animation looks so so bad. Any Nintendo fan defending this game is just utterly pathetic. It's a quick cash grab by capcom, so so lame.

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@mems_1224 said:

Overpriced and outdated. Seems in line with the rest of the switch

i came here to say that and you stole my shit

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@2Chalupas said:

LOL SWITCH

What does Switch have to do with this? This is on Capcom entirely.

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#25  Edited By dobzilian
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Where's Nintendo Vs Capcom?! That'd been epic.

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#26 enzyme36
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A rebalanced SF2..... I'm down and I think so will the FGC.

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@enzyme36:

They also added tech throws but I still think the price is too high.

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Overpriced and wreaks of laziness, they could have come up with a better name than "Violent Ken". Ironically, this is the price that SF5 should have launched at. Here, Capcom is being quite aggressive and I wouldn't pay more than 10$ max for this, but I'm not the target audience here, I only play fighting games at home on my Arcade stick.

For those who might enjoy this, hey go for it.....SF2 Turbo was one of the best SF2 versions back in the day. I mean, lot of other things in life you can waste 40$ on, so nothing wrong with someone getting this product and enjoying it. But looking at the value proposition at face value, Capcom is being mega greedy here and this is almost a game that I could see selling well at the 5$ price point, there is nothing worth 40$ here.

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#29 dante1972
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Switch is a joke. This is just a way for Nintendo to try to make money buy having to have people buy controllers with a d pad. Just a cash grap. This system will flop harder than wii u.

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It's the Switch, the system in which you pay more for less or rebuy what you already have.

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#31 Dark_sageX
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So will there be a point where manufactures will do a service to gamers that already own those games? or are they just gonna keep re-releasing old games for EVERY console generation and expect people to pay for the same games AGAIN? I mean how many times has Street Fighter II been released already? the price tag is one thing but the utter lack of BC so that manufacturers can conduct this bullshit stunt is...well...BULLSHIT!

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Capcom ... from one of the best to a "wtf"

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#33 Eikichi-Onizuka
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It's my favorite Street Fighter and I don't have a physical copy of it so while I do agree it's a bit overpriced I might still pick it up.

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#34 deactivated-5c1d0901c2aec
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@Eikichi-Onizuka:

I love that so many indie games and retro-style games are getting physical copies on Switch. I'm such a sucker for stacking games neatly together. :(

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@Dark_sageX said:

So will there be a point where manufactures will do a service to gamers that already own those games? or are they just gonna keep re-releasing old games for EVERY console generation and expect people to pay for the same games AGAIN? I mean how many times has Street Fighter II been released already? the price tag is one thing but the utter lack of BC so that manufacturers can conduct this bullshit stunt is...well...BULLSHIT!

Don't buy it. It's really that simple.

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#36  Edited By Dark_sageX
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@nethernova said:
@Dark_sageX said:

So will there be a point where manufactures will do a service to gamers that already own those games? or are they just gonna keep re-releasing old games for EVERY console generation and expect people to pay for the same games AGAIN? I mean how many times has Street Fighter II been released already? the price tag is one thing but the utter lack of BC so that manufacturers can conduct this bullshit stunt is...well...BULLSHIT!

Don't buy it. It's really that simple.

Geee thanks, without you telling me I would have definitely bought the game, thanks captain hindsight.

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#37 deactivated-642321fb121ca
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Least Nintendo have one mega sheep on here who will buy, probably would purchase the Switch for $1000 to.

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#38  Edited By lrdfancypants
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I thought everyone was supposed to hate Capcom after Street Fighter 5 and Dead Rising games exclusive deals?

I can't keep track which companies we're supposed to hate anymore.

Is EA awesome again?

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@charizard1605 said:
@2Chalupas said:

LOL SWITCH

What does Switch have to do with this? This is on Capcom entirely.

This is the type of 3rd party support we can expect from Switch. $40 physical copies of 25 year old games.

As I said. LOL SWITCH. :)

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For $340 you can play Street Fighter 2 in 2017.

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Yeaaaah I'll just stick with SFV.

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$40? I think I bought Street Fighter II Turbo HD remix for $5 on 360. Hell, I got Street Fighter V for less than this too.

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#43  Edited By Juub1990
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@iandizion713 said:

This game is completely different from the PS3/360 cheap digital version, rumor is that one sucked and players didnt like the rebalancing. This version is redone with a ton of added stuff.

People need to stop trying to price everything the same. You cant price greatness.

Also, trivia,

If the graphic setting is in HD Remix, the characters will use the Japanese voice actors and sound effects from the current Street Fighter games since Street Fighter IV onwards. While Classic graphic settings' sounds remained the same as the previous Street Fighter II update series.

I'll be sure to laugh at you when the Switch goes down the drain. Nintendo could start enslaving children and you'd defend them.

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The true power of the switch is on display.

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#45  Edited By iandizion713
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Dang a lot of people butthurt about the price. This thread isnt even about the price. WHY YOU DO THIS CAPCOM!

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#46  Edited By aigis
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@iandizion713: to be fair, its kinda a USF2 in general kinda thread and the price point is dumb for a game this old. I do like the new art style though, reminds me of SF3. They also should have added characters from later games, that would have been cool, not violent ken...

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#47  Edited By iandizion713
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@aigis: They added Akuma, but yeah, seems they tried to add nostalgic characters. I agree though the price is high, i think even if they had to cut content would have been better. I think a bunch will just buy Street Fighter II on eShop. After Street Fighter V flop, this just seems like a desperate attempt to make money.

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I'm just not sure who Capcom expects to sell this to at that price (suckers aside).

This would be similar to releasing games like Tetris or Doom 1 with a few tweaks @ $40. These games have already been on a ridiculous amount of different platforms for decades. Most people who would be interested have already bought these games more than a few times over the years.

In the case of SF2's competitive scene as well as the FGC at large, they're going to turn their nose up at this for a variety of reasons. HD Remix couldn't keep a following for long even when it was on the two main FG platforms last gen. People who really like SF2 are split between Champions Edition and Super Turbo with ST being the more popular of the two. They already enjoy the balance of those games as is. They already have a home with those games via active communities on Fightcade. Most of them despise the Udon art work because it's so jerky in motion, so there's no incentive there. None of these guys are gonna want to fork out the cash on a limited selection of Switch specific fight sticks and fight pads just to play a game that they've already been enjoying elsewhere for years.

The FGC laughed at this game for a day last week and have already forgotten about it. FG fans aren't going to spend roughly $500 (console, game, stick, before tax and online fees) just to play a twisted up version of a game they already play somewhere else. They already have SF2 the way they like it. To make matters worse, we already have modern entries in SF, KoF, GG, KI, MK, etc. vying for their time, UMVC3 will be getting re-released soon, and we have Tekken 7 and MvCI on the way. All of these games are roughly in the same ball park price wise.

You can count most of those guys out, they have zero interest. The few who do have some interest are saying they'll wait for a much cheaper release on another platform before checking it out.

Which ok, that's fine. Capcoms biggest mistake with SFV was catering the release to the competitive crowd. You can tell that Capcoms idea behind this release is to bait the nostalgic crowd, and maybe through them, appeal to the younger audience. That's a pipe dream on both fronts. I'm a huge sucker for nostalgia when it comes to games of the 80s and early 90s. Street Fighter 2 is a very special game to me, but there's no way I'll budge for this. And sure, I can't speak for everyone on that, but I don't think there's going to be a long line of nostalgic old farts putting down $40 for a bastardized trip down memory lane. And Capcom thinking this will trickle down and appeal to the youth? Complete disconnect from reality there. Most younger gamers give zero shits about the old and they're certainly not going to think something is cool because their parents like it lol. The exact opposite would be the case.

Bottom line is, there is no consumer base for this game at $40. If Capcom wants to test the waters at $20, fine, that's a bit more realistic. But when it really comes down to it, this game needs to be $10 and available on all major platforms.

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#49 ConanTheStoner  Online
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@iandizion713 said:

@aigis: They added Akuma, but yeah, seems they tried to add nostalgic characters.

Akuma was always in Super Turbo, he's not new.

The reasons why they went with Evil Ryu and Violent Ken is because it was cheap to do so with palette swaps. Creating new sprite art from the ground up, for both the classic and Udon art looks, would require actual effort. Something we're not seeing with this game.

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#50  Edited By iandizion713
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@ConanTheStoner: I havnt had that experience at all. From what i can tell the youth have no issue playing old style games. They play them on computer, tablets, and phones all the time. But i agree this game like they stated is catering to the older crowd who are parents and want to show their kids some old school stuff. Once this game drops in price, i think many will enjoy.

@ConanTheStoner: I wasnt stating him as new, just that hes an old character they added. Also Capcom stated if the game sells good it will come to other platforms, so i wouldnt count on it. Seems gamers dont want it. Even Nintendo fans have it on the bottom of their Switchmas list.