Time "will solve" Wii U quality gap - Satoru Iwata

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

[QUOTE="StaticOnTV"] We now went from streaming to rendering and that's fine. Except how does a machine do this rendering? Does it not have to send data to the gamepad in order to do so? What determines what buttons are interactive on the touchscreen on the gamepad? Data right? We can agree on that right?StaticOnTV

No, it's a chili dog with extra sauce. :roll:

[QUOTE="mysticstryk"]

[QUOTE="Gue1"]

when was the last time Nintendo did this much damage control?

Audacitron

They are sucking up to investors.  Though they do have a point.  Remember how bad a lot of the early games for 360 and PS3 looked, especially compared to how new games for those systems look now?

Early PS3/360 games might look bad, today, in retrospect.  But at the time they looked significantly better than anything from previous gen. 

The same is not true for the Wii U.  There's not a single example.  Not one.

Sure, as the years go by, developers will figure out a few cheats and tweaks to get the Wii U to produce acceptable graphics,  but by then the console will be yesterday's news.

Sony and MS will launch, right out the gate with graphics that simply are not possible with current-gen.  The difference will be tangible.  Will the Wii U be up to speed by then?  It's starting to look doubtful.

The same is true for the Wii U.  Wii U games look significantly better than its predecessor.

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

Are you talking about graphics or optimization? They're different.

It takes time to optimize games for hardware. Graphics wise, it's still silly to think no one is going to be able to create a beautiful looking game on the Wii U when they get to it. 

lolfanboys.

mysticstryk

SHOW ME THE GAMES,until then it's nothing but a dream.

You still haven't replied to my post.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

[QUOTE="StaticOnTV"] We now went from streaming to rendering and that's fine. Except how does a machine do this rendering? Does it not have to send data to the gamepad in order to do so? What determines what buttons are interactive on the touchscreen on the gamepad? Data right? We can agree on that right?StaticOnTV

[QUOTE="StaticOnTV"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] his answer is a little off, The wii u renders images internally than streams them to an output device, the controller doesn't "know" whats on the screen, your press on the screen it sends a signal back to the wii u which knows where the buttons are and handles this. Think of how the wii works when you press buttons when pointing the wii mote at the TV, the tv knows jack **** about what it's displaying and all the interaction has to be passed back to the wii.

mysticstryk

No, it's a chili dog with extra sauce. :roll:

[QUOTE="mysticstryk"]

[QUOTE="killzowned24"] I will just end this argument with what I said above.

SHOW ME THE GAMES,until then it's nothing but a dream.

killzowned24

You still haven't replied to my post.

So?  That wasn't what the discussion was about.  You were saying the ps3 was more powerful than the Wii U.  I was giving you examples of why your wrong.  I was saying nothing about the Orbis.

[QUOTE="mysticstryk"]

[QUOTE="StaticOnTV"] Ok, so when the Wii U sends images to the gamepad it's data correct?StaticOnTV

No, it's a chili dog with extra sauce. :roll:

Because there is NOT extra memory in the gamepad.  This isn't some mystery.  We KNOW for a FACT of whats in the gamepad, and memory there is not.  It is not up for discussion, CASE CLOSED.

[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="mysticstryk"]

 

You still haven't replied to my post.

mysticstryk

So?  That wasn't what the discussion was about.  You were saying the ps3 was more powerful than the Wii U.  I was giving you examples of why your wrong.  I was saying nothing about the Orbis.

nintendo needs better foresight.

Because their hindsight is 20/20. unfortunately it isn't doing them any good.

[QUOTE="StaticOnTV"][QUOTE="mysticstryk"]

 

No, it's a chili dog with extra sauce. :roll:

mysticstryk

Because there is NOT extra memory in the gamepad.  This isn't some mystery.  We KNOW for a FACT of whats in the gamepad, and memory there is not.  It is not up for discussion, CASE CLOSED.

[QUOTE="mysticstryk"]

[QUOTE="killzowned24"] The one about taking time to develop? Orbis will be out by then :lol:killzowned24

So?  That wasn't what the discussion was about.  You were saying the ps3 was more powerful than the Wii U.  I was giving you examples of why your wrong.  I was saying nothing about the Orbis.

Killzone 2?  I'd say AC3 or BO2 match it.  Again, the discussion wasn't about what games on the ps3 look like NOW. It was about how the ps3 is not more powerful than the Wii U.

[QUOTE="mysticstryk"]

[QUOTE="StaticOnTV"] So, you agree. So why is it so strange to believe, that there needs to be somesort of memory or something in the gamepad to hold the data of the images fomr the WIi U/ That extra space can be used to hold data to prevent the GPU and even the CPU from working to hard, thus enabling a virtual GPu and the dual GPU tech is what the WII U uses for its wonderful graphics?StaticOnTV

Because there is NOT extra memory in the gamepad.  This isn't some mystery.  We KNOW for a FACT of whats in the gamepad, and memory there is not.  It is not up for discussion, CASE CLOSED.

The picture is not being held by anything.

[QUOTE="StaticOnTV"][QUOTE="mysticstryk"]

 

Because there is NOT extra memory in the gamepad.  This isn't some mystery.  We KNOW for a FACT of whats in the gamepad, and memory there is not.  It is not up for discussion, CASE CLOSED.

mysticstryk

The picture is not being held by anything.

[QUOTE="Audacitron"]

[QUOTE="mysticstryk"]

 

They are sucking up to investors.  Though they do have a point.  Remember how bad a lot of the early games for 360 and PS3 looked, especially compared to how new games for those systems look now?

mysticstryk

Early PS3/360 games might look bad, today, in retrospect.  But at the time they looked significantly better than anything from previous gen. 

The same is not true for the Wii U.  There's not a single example.  Not one.

Sure, as the years go by, developers will figure out a few cheats and tweaks to get the Wii U to produce acceptable graphics,  but by then the console will be yesterday's news.

Sony and MS will launch, right out the gate with graphics that simply are not possible with current-gen.  The difference will be tangible.  Will the Wii U be up to speed by then?  It's starting to look doubtful.

The same is true for the Wii U.  Wii U games look significantly better than its predecessor.

that's because the Wii was stuck in a timewarp. 

PS3 games didn't just look better than PS2 games, they looked better than Xbox and Gamecube and Dreamcast games.

That's how you know you're in a new generation.

[QUOTE="mysticstryk"]

[QUOTE="StaticOnTV"] If not memory than what is holding the picture? Something has to hold the streamed image so it doesn't just blink to black every 6 seconds. What is it if not memory than?StaticOnTV

The picture is not being held by anything.

It doesn't hold the picture. PERIOD. The picture is constantly being refreshed by the console.

[QUOTE="mysticstryk"]

[QUOTE="StaticOnTV"] If not memory than what is holding the picture? Something has to hold the streamed image so it doesn't just blink to black every 6 seconds. What is it if not memory than?StaticOnTV

The picture is not being held by anything.

[QUOTE="mysticstryk"]

[QUOTE="Audacitron"]

 

Early PS3/360 games might look bad, today, in retrospect.  But at the time they looked significantly better than anything from previous gen. 

 

The same is not true for the Wii U.  There's not a single example.  Not one.

 

Sure, as the years go by, developers will figure out a few cheats and tweaks to get the Wii U to produce acceptable graphics,  but by then the console will be yesterday's news.

 

Sony and MS will launch, right out the gate with graphics that simply are not possible with current-gen.  The difference will be tangible.  Will the Wii U be up to speed by then?  It's starting to look doubtful.

Audacitron

The same is true for the Wii U.  Wii U games look significantly better than its predecessor.

that's because the Wii was stuck in a timewarp. 

PS3 games didn't just look better than PS2 games, they looked better than Xbox and Gamecube and Dreamcast games.

That's how you know you're in a new generation.

The Wii and Wii U have there own corner of the market, and are about one gen behind each in terms of raw power.  The Wii U is a major leap over its predecessor.  Just as the ps3 was a major leap over its predecessor, the ps2.

[QUOTE="StaticOnTV"][QUOTE="mysticstryk"]

 

The picture is not being held by anything.

savagetwinkie

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]

[QUOTE="mysticstryk"]

 

So?  That wasn't what the discussion was about.  You were saying the ps3 was more powerful than the Wii U.  I was giving you examples of why your wrong.  I was saying nothing about the Orbis.

mysticstryk

Killzone 2?  I'd say AC3 or BO2 match it.  Again, the discussion wasn't about what games on the ps3 look like NOW. It was about how the ps3 is not more powerful than the Wii U.

[QUOTE="mysticstryk"]

[QUOTE="killzowned24"] As of now ,PS3 is better.I don't even see one game that beats the old Killzone.

killzowned24

Killzone 2?  I'd say AC3 or BO2 match it.  Again, the discussion wasn't about what games on the ps3 look like NOW. It was about how the ps3 is not more powerful than the Wii U.

It's about how the Wii U has yet to show its full potential as far as raw power goes, which is the case for any new system. 

Its only the case for nintendo to be behind last gen.killzowned24

Its only the case for nintendo to be behind last gen.killzowned24

Didn't we just go through this?....sigh...:roll:

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]Its only the case for nintendo to be behind last gen.mysticstryk

Didn't we just go through this?....sigh...:roll:

I will just end this argument with what I said above.

SHOW ME THE GAMES,until then it's nothing but a dream.

killzowned24

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]I will just end this argument with what I said above.

SHOW ME THE GAMES,until then it's nothing but a dream.

Haziqonfire

[QUOTE="mysticstryk"]

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]Its only the case for nintendo to be behind last gen.killzowned24

Didn't we just go through this?....sigh...:roll:

Acknowledge what?

[QUOTE="Audacitron"]

[QUOTE="mysticstryk"]

 

The same is true for the Wii U.  Wii U games look significantly better than its predecessor.

mysticstryk

that's because the Wii was stuck in a timewarp. 

PS3 games didn't just look better than PS2 games, they looked better than Xbox and Gamecube and Dreamcast games.

That's how you know you're in a new generation.

The Wii and Wii U have there own corner of the market, and are about one gen behind each in terms of raw power.  The Wii U is a major leap over its predecessor.  Just as the ps3 was a major leap over its predecessor, the ps2.

Well yeah, that's what everyone's been saying.  That the Wii U is a generation behind.   I thought you were disagreeing.

Nintendo being stubborn and not acknowledging the real next gen...
or are they crying for help and money from investors and easily fooled buyers?

With the money saved on hardware, surely they can use it for more family friendly adverts.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"][QUOTE="killzowned24"]I will just end this argument with what I said above.

SHOW ME THE GAMES,until then it's nothing but a dream.

killzowned24

I already figured that. Fixing the crappy OS, alone, would be a huge step forward. The games currently out for Wii U, while good, don't show off it's potential.

This happens with every launch of a console. It takes time to get used to the architecture and making games that take advantage of that platform. Just because it's similar to the 360 or PS3, doesn't mean it's a "copy/paste" job like most people think it is. That's not how it works.Haziqonfire

I don't get this reasoning.  It does take time to get used to it, but that's usually done long before a new system hits the market.

"Each game console has its own unique qualities, and developers must go through a trial and error phase to acquire the knack of taking full advantage of them," Iwata told investors."This time does not come until a final version of the hardware and development tools for the version have been made available and then a base for software development has been established. For Wii U, such a time finally came in the latter half of last year. In this sense, we could not avoid the trial and error stage to create games which take full advantage of the hardware."

Latter half of last year?  Like August onwards?  Maybe it was not the best idea to create and kick an obviously rushed system out the door when a base for software development has only been made available for a few months and architectural familiarity is not yet somewhat established.  I would think this would be happening for a good while behind the scenes as they also continue to support the Wii up until U's release.  Besides, isn't new hardware developed and basically finalized with minor differences years before it hits the shelves (Wii U was shown at E3 '11, and it looked no different then), and developers use this time to become familiar? At least more than a few months??  Did Nintendo just fail to get out the kits in good time, or did they so hastily throw together the Wii U that they weren't ready to until just mere months before its release?  

Reading this makes me wonder what they were doing for all this time.  If Nintendo wanted to get a head-start hardware release on Sony and MS, this is all good and well, except people won't buy the system because it has no games.  Iwata makes all this sound inevitable and part of the business and I don't entirely buy it.  Development kits should be in developers' hands a lot longer than a few months.  I am also NOT singling Nintendo out here (I'd lay the same blame at MS and Sony's feet), it's just considering Nintendo's software troubles I'm not at all surprised that Iwata comes out and says this.  It's no wonder the Wii U is suffering from something that seems so common sensical and necessary for a decent launch. 

[QUOTE="StaticOnTV"]Peredith

Is that ingame, or photoshopped?

so much damage control lol just cut the price to 199.99 already... its what the tech inside worth in a new piece of plastic anyway.silversix_

Call "damage control" all you want, but he's right. The damn thing has only been out for THREE F***ING MONTHS, and yet people are already calling doom on it, asking Ninty to release something in a short amount of time? That's impossible

It's not like the Vita where we actually gave it time, but how is that doing?

Development kits should be in developers' hands a lot longer than a few months.

MirkoS77

Rumors were that there were about 5 revisions of the dev kit since 2011, about the time of the e3 reveal. Wonder what really went wrong though, if developers were really just lazy, if devs just weren't given the proper tools/info, or if publishers really didn't care about Wii-U.

obvious answer is obvious.

Everyone should know within time Games will show up and WiiU will have a reason to be purchased.

Just like the 3DS, it's on it's 2nd year now and look at all the amazing games it has.

look how long it took 3rd party developers to get there head around the Ps3 and learn how to code that properlydelta3074

Around 2008 when Metal Gear Solid 4 and Grand Theft Auto 4 launched for the PS3 did it actually start taking off I believe.

Before that it was just an over glorified Bluray Player.

[QUOTE="Peredith"]

[QUOTE="StaticOnTV"]MirkoS77

Is that ingame, or photoshopped?

[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="Haziqonfire"] I'm surprised you're a big PS3 fan then considering the launch of that console was abysmal. If a console launch determines the success, like you're suggesting, you should be hating it as well.Haziqonfire

and lol at the sheep thinking that is pikman game shot.

i thought hardware quality gap was nintendos "strategy" since the wii,of course this had to lead to a software quality gap when it wasnt able to run hd and most multiplats

the wii U will probably have a quality gap as well compared to next gen consoles, in terms of software and hardware

i thought hardware quality gap was nintendos "strategy" since the wii,of course this had to lead to a software quality gap when it wasnt able to run hd and most multiplats

the wii U will probably have a quality gap as well compared to next gen consoles, in terms of software and hardware

AmnesiaHaze

Iwata is getting hounded by Investors right now.

If it gets any worse, Iwata would lose his job and Nintendo will probably be forced to bring out a Newer "Better" WiiU to suit better to 3rd Party, making the current WiiU pointless.

[QUOTE="AmnesiaHaze"]

i thought hardware quality gap was nintendos "strategy" since the wii,of course this had to lead to a software quality gap when it wasnt able to run hd and most multiplats

the wii U will probably have a quality gap as well compared to next gen consoles, in terms of software and hardware

LegatoSkyheart

Iwata is getting hounded by Investors right now.

If it gets any worse, Iwata would lose his job and Nintendo will probably be forced to bring out a Newer "Better" WiiU to suit better to 3rd Party, making the current WiiU pointless.