Tim Sweeney: Windows 10 Cloud will Steal your Steam Game Library

Going back almost a year, Epic Games co-founder Tim Sweeney has been on the attack against Windows 10. He called it a walled garden, and a few months later, he formulated a theory that Microsoft will gradually update Windows to break Steam over the course of five years.

Sweeney's latest target has been Windows 10 Cloud, a version of Windows that Microsoft hasn't even announced yet. The OS will only run apps that come from the Windows Store, which means that Win32 games from Steam won't work.

Calling the OS ransomware is, as usual for Sweeney, hyperbolic. It's not like you're going to go and update your Windows 10 PC and end up with Windows 10 Cloud and no access to the apps that you've been using. This is something that you'll get on a new PC, and likely one that sits on the lower end, so you're probably not thinking about heavy-duty PC gaming anyway.

At this point, Windows 10 Cloud seems like it will be an OS that's free for OEMs to license, and if an individual wants more functionality from their new PC, they can purchase the license themselves. Sweeney's argument seems to imply that the OS will somehow be forced upon users.

https://www.neowin.net/news/can039t-stop-won039t-stop-tim-sweeney-renews-attack-on-windows-10-cloud-calling-it-ransomware

Is Tim Sweeney crazy or is he on to something? Could Microsoft be trying to start a war to take over PC gaming? It's not like they haven't tried before.

I will slap windows in the face. I dont want nothing to do with that voodoodoo cloud shit. I already have Steam Heaven.

Dayum ! he hates MS so much

Windows 10 Cloud is just a low-end budget SKU aimed at rivaling Chromebooks in the education sector.. You're not going to be playing many Steam games on a sub $199 laptop in the first place.. This dude is losing his mind..

This

Microsoft are assholes, god bless his hyperbole.

MS will only do this if they want gaming on PC to move wholesale to SteamOS.

PC gamers, in general, accept and even love Steam and at most tolerate MS because of the global reliance on Windows and DirectX. Personally I think it's more likely that MS are making moves to secure Steam for Xbox, especially Scorpio than build their Trump wall higher.

Already been debunked lol

windows 10 cloud ? Isnt that the OS that cant even run win32 apps without hacking ? So basically no one is gonna be using steam with that OS

Does Tim Sweeney need to go to an insane asylum due to his conspiracy theories against MS? He's making himself sound more dumb everyday.

Full tin-foil hat territory.

When did MS piss in his cereal, seems like a grudge.

This SKU has nothing to do with Gaming, it's a low end Chrome OS competitor OS.

Steam will never be on Xbox Consoles.

Hes mad Gabe and Phil didn't offer him a seat at their lunch date when they were working out the Steam app deal.

I agree Mr. Dad! Tim Sweeney has been salty towards MS lately and it's complete showing.

@itwasme-dio said:

Going back almost a year, Epic Games co-founder Tim Sweeney has been on the attack against Windows 10. He called it a walled garden, and a few months later, he formulated a theory that Microsoft will gradually update Windows to break Steam over the course of five years.

Sweeney's latest target has been Windows 10 Cloud, a version of Windows that Microsoft hasn't even announced yet. The OS will only run apps that come from the Windows Store, which means that Win32 games from Steam won't work.

Calling the OS ransomware is, as usual for Sweeney, hyperbolic. It's not like you're going to go and update your Windows 10 PC and end up with Windows 10 Cloud and no access to the apps that you've been using. This is something that you'll get on a new PC, and likely one that sits on the lower end, so you're probably not thinking about heavy-duty PC gaming anyway.

At this point, Windows 10 Cloud seems like it will be an OS that's free for OEMs to license, and if an individual wants more functionality from their new PC, they can purchase the license themselves. Sweeney's argument seems to imply that the OS will somehow be forced upon users.

https://www.neowin.net/news/can039t-stop-won039t-stop-tim-sweeney-renews-attack-on-windows-10-cloud-calling-it-ransomware

Is Tim Sweeney crazy or is he on to something? Could Microsoft be trying to start a war to take over PC gaming? It's not like they haven't tried before.

It's another Windows 8.x RT with Windows 10 update. Windows 8.x RT wouldn't run normal Win32 apps.

That was from a few days ago, but it's worth noting that the idea that you can only get apps from Microsoft is a conspiracy theory. As mentioned above, Windows 10 Cloud hasn't even been announced, so nothing is for sure yet; however, from the build that leaked last week, it appears that users will still be able to sideload UWP apps, or buy them elsewhere.

In other words, it's Win32 apps that are blocked, and not necessarily the ability to install apps from outside of the Windows Store.

M$ sucks big time. Go Tim Sweeney! Show em!

Dude has went off the deep end. People who use Steam are not going to get this version of Windows. Nothing to see here.

It's MS, so I'm not surprised. F*ing Thieves!

I wish this did happen, so Steam could sue Microsoft for all of their worth and then we're all forced to use Linux.

Such action will fail since Apple and Google has similar forced service bundling models.

OEM free cut-down Windows 10 without legacy Win32 support is against free Chrome OS/Android business model.

Xbox's business model is against Japanese game console business model which is pioneered by Nintendo.

Bing's ads revenue model is against Google's search engine business model.

Windows Store is against Google's Play Store and Apple's iTunes business model.

Port Steam app into UWP app.

BS

What's BS about my post?

Cows will believe so much random bullshit

These types of maneuvers are what companies like MS, Apple, Google do all the time.
MS already tried to sneak full out spying into Windows 10 and only had to barely placate after it blew up in the press and people became absolutely enraged. What makes people think MS wouldn't do this?

FTFY

If they try to pull shit like this, people will start abandoning Windows and move to Linux. I don't think MS is that dumb though. I personally like Windows 10 in its current state and I am not opposed to UWP for simpler games that can be played across PC, tablets and phones. I also understand why they limit their first party titles to the Windows Store. However, if they try to force third party games on UWP, that is when shit will hit the fan. You have to give the choice to the consumer on how they want to buy and play games. You can't force shit on people as a backlash is inevitable.

@ronvalencia: His conspiracy theory

@BassMan: they won't force Games to the Windows Store. They will however have companies adopt UWP on their own stores. Which likely MS controls what stores support UWP.

@itwasme-dio said:

Going back almost a year, Epic Games co-founder Tim Sweeney has been on the attack against Windows 10. He called it a walled garden, and a few months later, he formulated a theory that Microsoft will gradually update Windows to break Steam over the course of five years.

Sweeney's latest target has been Windows 10 Cloud, a version of Windows that Microsoft hasn't even announced yet. The OS will only run apps that come from the Windows Store, which means that Win32 games from Steam won't work.

Calling the OS ransomware is, as usual for Sweeney, hyperbolic. It's not like you're going to go and update your Windows 10 PC and end up with Windows 10 Cloud and no access to the apps that you've been using. This is something that you'll get on a new PC, and likely one that sits on the lower end, so you're probably not thinking about heavy-duty PC gaming anyway.

At this point, Windows 10 Cloud seems like it will be an OS that's free for OEMs to license, and if an individual wants more functionality from their new PC, they can purchase the license themselves. Sweeney's argument seems to imply that the OS will somehow be forced upon users.

https://www.neowin.net/news/can039t-stop-won039t-stop-tim-sweeney-renews-attack-on-windows-10-cloud-calling-it-ransomware

Is Tim Sweeney crazy or is he on to something? Could Microsoft be trying to start a war to take over PC gaming? It's not like they haven't tried before.

They tried this before, got sued to oblivion in europe.

Good luck with locking it down. Never going to happen. atleast in europe.

I have no idea who Tim Sweeney is, and I have no plans on using Windows 10. Moving on..

Who?

He's so weird. Think before you tweet...

OMG people, please read and comprehend for yourself.

The OS does none of that

Its a low-end, very basic OS for basic devices

Its not meant to replace a traditional OS on a traditional PC.

This is like being upset at MS for Windows RT limitations...........that was meant for mobile devices.

Running Windows 10 Cloud for a traditional PC is stupid.

Read people

Tim Sweeney is like the game developer version of Alex Jones.

I am Tim Sweeney

Probably a few in this forum who won't understand this is a joke.

The problem is Sweeney's theories have already been debunked and when actually brought to a discussion between him and Spencer he chanced his stance after they demonstrated UWP is an open platform.

I get what he's trying to say, but I think he's being overly dramatic. Why I dunno seems almost personal at this point. Especially since he doesn't necessarily know all the details of what's going on between Valve and MS.

The big question is why is he the one complaining and going on about it so much when the people at Valve seem kind of indifferent about it?

He's a brilliant and strange guy but basically totally gets dismantled to a pile of straw here:

https://medium.com/@benfreeman_16339/why-is-tim-sweeney-wrong-about-uwp-c0a2dd897594#.eyo36otwv

I wish it was a conspiracy. Embrace, extend, and extinguish is an officially documented predatory anticompetitive practice that Microsoft has successfully executed many many times.

Yeah it is quite amusing how so many people consider others that think that M$ is shady as conspiracy nuts when M$ has been one of the shadiest companies in the tech business ever and have been found time and time again. I wouldn't put past a shitty company like M$ doing shit once again.

Oh come on!

You cant be that naive to think that MS is the only business that does these kinds of things?

How do you think Sony became the leader of the console market?

Or are you too young to remember?

Do you not remember the debacle with Rdio?

Its frustrating having to read comments like this while people ignore what their favorite company does.

Apple, MS, Sony, IBM, Qualcomm, etc..............major corporations are jerks because of lack of oversight and regulation.

@dakur: yeah and Tim Sweeney is totally altruistic. He's just as greedy as they are. If you pulled your head outta Kaz ass once in a while you might see that.

I know that, it's for low level notebooks. I'm actually thinking more along the lines of MS walling of Steam which would be completely counter intuitive to the way they've been promoting PC recently.

As for Steam on Xbox, never say never I've seen stranger things in my life. From my own personal stand point I couldn't care less if it is or not, I've been a PC gamer since 1990, don't own an Xbox One and will not be buying a Scorpio either (I have absolutely no need).

I will say that the more people who get to play the hundreds of fantastic PC exclusive games every year will mean more money to those developers and more games for me to play. If I was in Gabe's shoes, I'd be working on how to get Steam on PlayStation and Xbox and that's purely from a business point of view.

And this.

MS would never get away this so it never happen, end of. Sweeney is a Nutjob MS conspiracy theorist.

@loe12k: They can though, it's free and aimed at low end education PCs