The secret of the graphics king has been unveiled: It's Killzone 3. (all plats)

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#1 Ravenchrome
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBUIMDZFVMo

The best ocean in real-time graphics.

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#2 PhazonBlazer
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In b4 teh Crysis pics.

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#3 eboyishere
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i remember hearing they kept asking Naughty Dog for help......something with the snow or plant life...

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#5 Ravenchrome
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Wow the best water in any game infact it beats crysis 1 graphics wow amazing.TheGuardian03
Yeah, truly mind-blowing.

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#6 TheEpicGoat
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Not really. It looks good but not better than Crysis.

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#7 Ironbash
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Looks good, but is actually a solid object that is animated, hence the reason it doesn't create splashes when you shoot at it

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#8 themyth01
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I suggest people watch the video before posting ;)
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#10 TrapJak
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People , click the video then post. You'll learn about internet sarcasm.
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#11 tagyhag
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:lol: Yeah that video is just stating facts, still there are people who can't accept reality.
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#12 psx_warrior
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:lol: Yeah that video is just stating facts, still there are people who can't accept reality.tagyhag
I accepted reality two years ago and bought me a pc, which I had best buy soop up with a better graphics card. Still using the same card now. It beats the crap out of ps3, even though it's three year old hardware.
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#13 AdmiralBison
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Of Course Kill Zone 3 would be graphics king.

It's Sony's flagship FPS exclusive.

Millions of people are into the game......

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#14 Jukemdrawles089
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Well either way, Killzone 3 sure as hell is the best looking FPS game on consoles.
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#15 ionusX
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ive been plaiyng games for a long time now and i msut say that was the msot average display of water ive ever seen.

you want to see a graphical king. unigine engine says SUCK IT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F6zSgtRnkE

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#16 Ravenchrome
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Well either way, Killzone 3 sure as hell is the best looking FPS game on consoles. Jukemdrawles089
No. Crysis 2 is more advanced. I agree that it performs poorer, but that's because it has better real-time effects.

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#17 MobilechicaneX
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Killzone looks bland. Art direction > Textures

For example, on my sig right now, the best looking game would be either TF2 or Sonic & Sega Allstars Racing.

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#18 noob-saibot2010
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don't mak me laugh(quiet shao kanish :lol:)

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#19 deactivated-635601fd996cc
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Watch the video PS3 fanboys. Crysis/2 still powns.
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[QUOTE="Jukemdrawles089"]Well either way, Killzone 3 sure as hell is the best looking FPS game on consoles. Ravenchrome

No. Crysis 2 is more advanced. I agree that it performs poorer, but that's because it has better real-time effects.

it's a tie. killzone 3 performs better (perfect 30fps) and runs in HD, plus a better AA method. Crysis 2 has the most advanced lighting in any console game and has great effects, but is sub HD, has performance issues, a lot of bugs, and a poor AA method. textures and models are pretty much even between the two.

neither one is the CGK if that's what you're getting at, but they're in the top 5 most technically impressive console games.

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#21 Ravenchrome
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[QUOTE="Ravenchrome"]

[QUOTE="Jukemdrawles089"]Well either way, Killzone 3 sure as hell is the best looking FPS game on consoles. theuncharted34

No. Crysis 2 is more advanced. I agree that it performs poorer, but that's because it has better real-time effects.

it's a tie. killzone 3 performs better (perfect 30fps) and runs in HD, plus a better AA method. Crysis 2 has the most advanced lighting in any console game and has great effects, but is sub HD, has performance issues, a lot of bugs, and a poor AA method. textures and models are pretty much even between the two.

neither one is the CGK if that's what you're getting at, but they're in the top 5 most technically impressive console games.

I see. But honestly, I still think Kz3 looks better than Uncharted 2 or GoW3.

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#22 dream431ca
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So what if it's scripted? Do you like playing tech demos or games?

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[QUOTE="Ravenchrome"]

[QUOTE="Jukemdrawles089"]Well either way, Killzone 3 sure as hell is the best looking FPS game on consoles. theuncharted34

No. Crysis 2 is more advanced. I agree that it performs poorer, but that's because it has better real-time effects.

it's a tie. killzone 3 performs better (perfect 30fps) and runs in HD, plus a better AA method. Crysis 2 has the most advanced lighting in any console game and has great effects, but is sub HD, has performance issues, a lot of bugs, and a poor AA method. textures and models are pretty much even between the two.

neither one is the CGK if that's what you're getting at, but they're in the top 5 most technically impressive console games.

killzone 3 in motion

Crysis 2 still

thats it, end of story

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#24 theuncharted34
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[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="Ravenchrome"] No. Crysis 2 is more advanced. I agree that it performs poorer, but that's because it has better real-time effects.

Ravenchrome

it's a tie. killzone 3 performs better (perfect 30fps) and runs in HD, plus a better AA method. Crysis 2 has the most advanced lighting in any console game and has great effects, but is sub HD, has performance issues, a lot of bugs, and a poor AA method. textures and models are pretty much even between the two.

neither one is the CGK if that's what you're getting at, but they're in the top 5 most technically impressive console games.

I see. But honestly, I still think Kz3 looks better than Uncharted 2 or GoW3.

nothing wrong with that, kz3 has a great art direction and fantastic animation :D

plus uncharted 2 and gow 3 aren't that much more impressive, they're all in the same ball park.

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#25 ck02623
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I LOOOOOVE all of the posts from people who didn't watch the video. This thread is epic.
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#26 noxboxlive
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Wow i didnt know killzone was that brown and gray.....

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#27 ChubbyGuy40
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nothing wrong with that, kz3 has a great art direction and fantastic animation :D

plus uncharted 2 and gow 3 aren't that much more impressive, they're all in the same ball park.

theuncharted34

Why Sony does not bring this amazing FPS series to PC is beyond me. I'd love to play with my KB/M.

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#29 theuncharted34
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[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

nothing wrong with that, kz3 has a great art direction and fantastic animation :D

plus uncharted 2 and gow 3 aren't that much more impressive, they're all in the same ball park.

ChubbyGuy40

Why Sony does not bring this amazing FPS series to PC is beyond me. I'd love to play with my KB/M.

because then sony would be losing an exclusive :P

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#30 intro94
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I LOOOOOVE all of the posts from people who didn't watch the video. This thread is epic.ck02623
lol in system wars?they say the video is the proof (they dont watch it), even tho the video says KZ3 water sucks(and it kinda does if its scripted)-.
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#32 Ravenchrome
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My goodness, the things people nitpick about. How does it affect gameplay one bit that the waves in the ocean that you never touch aren't rendered in real time? What kind of complaint is that? The Elite campaign is too easy in KZ3. That's a real complaint. Waves on a 9 second loop is not. KZ3 looks awesome, especially running on old-assed hardware, deal with it.getyeryayasout
We'd dealt with it long long ago. It's just that some people exaggerate the water render in KZ3.

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#33 theuncharted34
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speaking of scripted water, UC3 also has this but it looks more natural.

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#34 ChubbyGuy40
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speaking of scripted water, UC3 also has this but it looks more natural.

theuncharted34

NOES ITS LIEK ALL...rendered in real time and stuff! lol pc hermits mad it looks better than crysis. Look how it rises, teh lighting, teh waves, how box moves ect

Am I doin' it right?

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#35 theuncharted34
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[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

speaking of scripted water, UC3 also has this but it looks more natural.

ChubbyGuy40

NOES ITS LIEK ALL...rendered in real time and stuff! lol pc hermits mad it looks better than crysis. Look how it rises, teh lighting, teh waves, how box moves ect

Am I doin' it right?

:lol: yeah you're doing it right.

:P

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#36 russiaAK47
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very stupid post and video imo, i want to see how often halo recycles its water effects, or zelda. probably every 2 seconds, and it still looks crap compared to killzone 3.

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#38 theuncharted34
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[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

speaking of scripted water, UC3 also has this but it looks more natural.

TheGuardian03

ND said the demo was in real time check the LINK .

I know the demo itself was in real time (and looks amazing) but the ocean is scripted. but like I said, it's very detailed and looks more natural than killzone 3's ocean :)

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#39 ck02623
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[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

speaking of scripted water, UC3 also has this but it looks more natural.

TheGuardian03
ND said the demo was in real time check the LINK .

That's kind of different though...
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#40 lucky_star
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People , click the video then post. You'll learn about internet sarcasm.TrapJak
I watched the vid, its BS. Sure its scripted and has a loop. Its still rendered in real time.

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#41 theuncharted34
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[QUOTE="TrapJak"]People , click the video then post. You'll learn about internet sarcasm.lucky_star
I watched the vid, its BS. Sure its scripted and has a loop. Its still rendered in real time.

of course it has to be, otherwise it'd be magic. but It's not being rendered as water and instead is just moving polygons with a texture slapped on. this can work well, or not. it looks ok in killzone 3 but other games (like UC3) do it far better.

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#42 lucky_star
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[QUOTE="ck02623"][QUOTE="TheGuardian03"][QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

speaking of scripted water, UC3 also has this but it looks more natural.

ND said the demo was in real time check the LINK .

That's kind of different though...

There is a difference between rendering graphics in real time and applying physics in real time. Is it scripted? Yes. Its still rendered in real time.
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#43 FeedOnATreeFrog
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why do people care if it's in real time? You don't even interact with it?

I always thought it looked awesome, especially with the icebergs.

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#44 ck02623
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why do people care if it's in real time? You don't even interact with it?

I always thought it looked awesome, especially with the icebergs.

FeedOnATreeFrog
I think it's more about what platform the game is on than the rendering itself.
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#46 dah_master
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But its still one hell of a game... :D

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"The decision came about organically. After Uncharted 2, Jacob Minkoff (lead designer) wanted to try creating a dynamic environment that was moving while you were on it. He came up with the idea of the cruise ship. Out of that, came the necessity of water. Water is obviously immensely tricky to render realistically in video games. We spent a ton of time developing systems to make sure that the level both looked and played how we wanted it to. The boat is actually being driven by the ocean, so it will never play the same way twice. Drake reacts in real time to the sway and pitch of the boat, as well as having to deal with enemies. Then, in the hold, the level actually rotates 90 degrees in real time, the water sloshing as it does so. All of these systems alone are tricky; making them interact with each other in a realistic way was even more difficult" " Obviously, some of that demo was scripted, but the vast majority of it was player controlled. Depending on how the player chooses to play, the fight in the hold can progress completely differently. The boat will eventually flood to the point where it flips, but the player is in full control the entire time. Also, certain events were not shown in the demo that exist in the full game, so there is actually even more gameplay in the sequence than the demo let on. Players are going to get a real treat when the full game comes out"TheGuardian03

Make it randomly tilt. Revolutionary!

Still comes no where close to Crysis or Just Cause 2 PC in water. JC2 CUDA water FTW!

The water was still scripted. It's not hard to calculate/pull that off.

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#49 GTSaiyanjin2
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The water in uncharted 1 is more impressive.... but really i dont have a problem in the water in killzone 3, its not like it affects the gameplay or anything like that.

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#50 cain006
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I don't really see what's wrong with that. Unless you're going to stare at an ocean, why not just make it not real time? It makes it easier to render and they can use those resources on something that actually matters.