The Order 1886 dev says "final" review is this one

Wait did I read that correctly? I remember El-Tomato picking up fights with everyone over the out of Order 800p being 1080p. Man how quickly cows change their argument to suit their needs. :D

Oddly, the reviewers were expecting a game. All the reviews I've seen have, essentially, said the gameplay sucks. Other than the hardcore PS4 gamers on here, everyone I know who has played it says the gameplay sucks, every single one of them have since traded it in.

A turd is a turd, even if it's polished and has pretty ribbon round it.

The reviewer brings up some good points but insulting people is never a good thing.

cows and their non-games. lmao.

Destroyed.

Hardly, considering Gone Home got a 9.5 here, where was the "game" in that?

The Order is difficult to review due to its grey area of where it lies, it primarily aims at giving a cinematic storytelling experience, such the same with games like Dear Esther etc, yet it also has traditional cover shooter gameplay mechanics that also make it appealing to regular gamers.

The odd thing is in this scenario is that if RAD decided to go full tilt with the cinematic storytelling ala Dear Esther, it would most likely have scored higher by simply cutting out the action sequences, there would be no mistaking the game for what it is trying to be. So by adding more to the game they inadvertently increased people's expectations beyond what the game was intended to be, which led to its poor reviews.

There was several parts of The Order that I felt it could massively improve on myself but I would still give it a solid 7.5, it's not a bad game but it falls just short of being a great one.

@GrenadeLauncher: in all my years on this board, I can't say I've ever seen someone so disturbed by a flop... You should attempt to show some humility, it helps the healing process.

@tormentos: No one who knew what this game was was expecting something akin to The Elder Scrolls.

High on production values, low on content. The devs came out and said it when it was announced a less than 10 hour campaign (usually between 6-8 hours) and nothing else.

lol keep telling that to yourself, you lost cow.

What a bunch of bullshit.

The game is terrible. Get over yourselves. I didn't see this type of damage control for Ryse, because lemmings aren't as slavish worshipers to their console of choice.

@Fleeboi: The problem is that the story elements were also received negative criticism, so if they went completely in the direction of cibematics, which one could argue they did, then they would have still failed.

Lol.

"Yourselves"? Are you saying I'm a cow? I'd expect as such being in system wars but honestly I couldn't give a shit what platform a game is on, I just find review criteria for games interesting in cases such as these.

How would you score games like Gone Home, Dear Esther etc?

@Minishdriveby

I agree, the story was not incredible though I thought it was interesting, and the presentation above all else was impeccable which lends itself to immersion. The movie Gravity in comparison is much the same, and was well received by most, though the ending of The Order is one left much to be desired and ultimately where it falls short. I'm just stating that a 6/10 for this seems inconsistent considering the success of "games" that do a lot less.

Beyond two souls was rated higher and is worse in every way.

Just made a thread about Velocity 2x coming to pc yesterday. And the Batman AK thread which will be much better on pc thanks to NVIDIA effects.

Oh you mean DQ Heroes. I only posted out of interest, since i figured it was going to be on the ps3 aswell. Abit of shocking news, huh?

Dont' worry Solid, we all know that game is coming to Steam sooner rather than latter, after the ps4 launch.

I found a home with current gen 8 console leader SONY with the world's most powerful video game console to have ever been created in the history of video games, the PS4.

Funny nobody has talked about the Digital Trends review by Adam Rosenberg on metacritic. He gave "The Order 1886 " it's lowest score,2 out of 10. So I looked up his other reviews and saw he gave Ryse Son of Rome a 7.5 and Sunset Overdrive a 10.

Lmao!

Can RAD fire this moron already?

Please?

His salt is siphoning out whatever enjoyment i've got out of The Order 1886 Seconds Of Gameplay.

I agree with that, the game works fine so that's a plus seeing how so many games came out last year that was broken. They told us it was a filmic game and thats what they delivered but still, if it's a boring game then it's just boried so you have to take points off for that.

You know...almost all his points hit the nail on the head.

Reviewers don't know what they are doing now-a-days. And I don't see how this review is "LOL LOOK AT THIS BULLSHIT!!!" while other review sites are taken as scripture.

@Snugenz: So you have played it? Because you sound like a rabbis PS hater.

No i havn't and no i'm not, it's hardly a game that needs to be played to form an opinion about, afterall, the whole fucking game is on youtube and it doesn't take very long to watch it.

I own a PS4 and i do like the setting of it, but i won't give money to devs who think they can get away with shit like The Order. I'm not gonna perpetuate this shitty way of making games.

Oh and i'm not a rabbis either, i'm catholic. :P

So a few years ago....the thought was that video games had to be played to be experienced and watching them being played did not give an actual representation.

Now....all the kids are watching games being played on youtube which I hear is more popular than actually playing the game....so yeah....now we don't even have to play a game to take someones opinion seriously.

I guess I can get told the story of Gravity and just say it sucks.

No but if you watch gravity on youtube you'd have a good impression of it... The Order isn't far removed from Gravity, just nowhere near as good of a movie.

Regardless of the developer's vision for the title, the game has to be judged on it's own, as a whole. What I have played of The Order 1886, I have enjoyed. However, there has not been much variety and I think I am reaching the end. I am guessing my score will probably be 6.5. It just seems like the game does things well, but is just limited in it's scope.

@Snugenz: So you're saying that watching a movie on one venue and watching a movie on another venue is the same as watching a game being played and actually playing a game?

No, i'm saying with a game like The Order, watching a video of the extremely linear cutscene and QTE riddled gameplay can give a good impression of the game. Enough to be able to pass an honest opinion.

It's not fucking rocket science, it's a very shallow looking 3rd person shooter, guess what i've played shallow 3rd person shooters in the past, i think i have a good idea of what another one would play like. Other than that, the story can be completely appreciated from watching a youtube video including the QTE segments.

Seriously you'd have some semblance of a point if the game had a single ounce of dept, but it doesn't.

@Snugenz: See that's it.

You say it's shallow....but the gameplay is actually good. So yeah....not the same. I've played it....I should know.

@Snugenz: Good to know people with strong hate towards the game never played it.

A game can be good and shallow. The Order isn't 60€ good though, not even close.

@AM-Gamer It means **** all that i havn't played it when there's an avenue for me to get a very very good impression of the entire game. Come back with an actual argument next time.

From most (if not all) of the most recognizable sites, only Gametrailers & GameInformer gave the game a good review. And that's out of 70+ reviews. The game tanked. #getoverit!

I look forward to playing it, WHEN it's in the bargain bin.

@OhSnapitz: If only there was something to get over.

I played it....enjoyed it.....can't do anything about it.

The gameplay is serviceable. It is nothing special. It is very basic and it strings together the different areas and cut-scenes. The game is designed to get you from point A to B so that another cutscene can be triggered. That is the problem. There is not enough variety in the gameplay. All the scripted moments happen as a cutscene or QTE and are not integrated into the gameplay.

Look at the Half-Life games. They don't even have cutscenes, but yet they are able to tell a story that you feel directly involved in because the scripted events and story telling elements are woven into the gameplay. Those are well designed games. That is why they get 9s or 10s.

Mediocre is the word you're looking for.

Everything it does in the gameplay department has been done and done much better by other games. Gears, TLOU, and Uncharted 2 are all far better constructed TPS's gameplay-wise, and all with far more content to boot. Order has very basic AI, a weak quick-time melee system, low enemy and environment variety, and really boring, basic weapons. Seriously the only interesting weapons in the game are ones you have to dump 5 minutes after getting them.

The best thing you can really say about it is it's functional and does nothing especially wrong. That doesn't mean it's worth praising in any way for anything it does.

@mr_huggles_dog: Yet, before the game launched, i was able to predict with acuraccy the complaints multiple reviewers had with the game, including Kevin (GS), Kotaku, IGN and a couple of others (Yes, i read the reviews), just from watching old footage and the leaked first hour of the game.

Check the hype thread and my discussion with Desmonic. I even quoted all those 3 of my posts again.

From the inclosed level design, to the cutscene overload, the lack of interactivity with the world except for those shallow inspection mechanics, to the lack of mobility and lateral or vertical design during combat. Even the overuse of weapons that are nothing but modified traditional weapons like the shotgun, automatic rifle, pistol, etc, instead of weapons like the Thermite Rifle.

Only thing i couldn't analyze was the quality of the storyline, which, after seeing the sequel bait ending, just gave way to potential fears.

You know why? Because while i can't give you details on the quality of the gunplay, movement, etc, i can easily analyze basic gameplay/level design.

Now, had the game been a more "standart" TPS like TEW and such, i might not have been able to pinpoint issues so easily. But with TO1886, the clear problems of design where obvious just by watching.

For a game i haven't played, i was pretty spot on wiht The Order, huh?

Just got around to watching the whole video. The level of desperation and damage control in this video is unreal. As if the entire video game media industry is incapable of reviewing the game. You need to be a qualified pompous ass to do it? And it discredits him when he keeps talking about other reviewers, because it just makes him sound unbelievably butt hurt.

He also said because this game reached number 1 in the UK, it can't be shit. Does he even know how many shit games top the sales charts.

The developer needs to carry themselves with some dignity as well. This damage control is pathetic. They made a shit game live with it.

The Batman Arkham series is some of the most cinematic games I've played, with fantastic story, characters, design and the gameplay is awesome. These guys can't act like they're too good to include good gameplay and act like a bunch of artsy fartsy pricks about it having film like cinematics and then complain when people don't like it.

@R4gn4r0k said:

A review about review scores ? What the hell ?! :/

Clearly they should've made a review embargo where reviews above a certain score could be published first, while other reviews had to wait if they care that much about what their bloody 5 hour rollercoaster scored.

@Thunderdrone said:

LOL the simpsons is so awesome !

geez, captain obvious to the rescue....how old are you? simpsons has been awesome since the 80's lol

@deadline-zero0: You were able to predict it b/c of ppl who had played a demo saying such things. It's not like you knew from watching a trailer or something.

@Vaasman: @BassMan: It's not mediocre. The gameplay isn't anything new....but that doesn't make it crap. The gunplay satisfying....thats it....not revolutionary. Thats not to say that EITHER WAY....someone can get the feel of a game from watching a video of it.

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All in all....it's just a 7/10 game. It's not bad. Do I think it's worth $60? Thats for each individual to decide. But to say it is or isn't and all this based off 1. what reviewers who rated it for what it's not and not what it is.....and 2. videos..........is not how it should work.

Mediocre does not mean bad. It just means it is nothing special. It does enough things right, but has a lot of shortcomings. As for watching a video and getting a feel for the game, that is very much possible. I can tell right away by looking at gameplay footage, the quality of the game. I have probably played over 1000 games in my lifetime, and I am very good at evaluating gameplay footage.

You'd think maturity would be standard for a game developer, and they could accept criticism and learn from it.

Agreed, it's much worse than mediocre.

It's a 5/10 game that was reviewed for what it is, a full priced mediocre 5-7 hour game with very little actual gameplay.

Fanboys and devs are making so many excuses for why it's been recieved so poorly that they need to step back and realize that the game just isn't as good as they'd like to believe and they're the only ones who havn't caught on to that fact yet.

@Snugenz: Look at the points in the video. There are other games that do exactly what The Order does that are scored higher.

And look at the last part of the video....if you even watched it....a reviewer said one thing and it was never marketed as such.

So forgive me if I seem like a fanboy and give it LOWER than what I hyped it to be. I give it a 7/10....and I hyped it for a 8/10.

It's all just excuses. It doesn't matter what you give it, it's a 5/10 here, and under a 70 on MC.

@Snugenz: It might be excuses...but it doesn't mean they don't have merit.

It's also just easy prey for those who don't want the game to do well to just jump on the bandwagon and say "Oh here ya go....even though I don't know what I'm talking about my opinion matches others."

I can't remember a game getting this much DC, not only in SW, but around the internet.

It's hilarious the amount of butthurt that has occurred.

and just watching cows actually defend him right now is very disturbing. Its not even about video games at this point..you HAVE to learn how to sit and take the heat.

Having played at least a portion of it myself, it is unfortunately essentially the same as watching the videos. It does feel slightly better looking at it yourself, because you can catch a lot of small environment details, enjoy the soundtrack, and enjoy the heft of the character, but otherwise what you see is basically what you get. The game is so linear and the events are so scripted that you really miss very little by watching it instead of playing. This is especially true if you've played any TPS in the last 9 years, since the shooting portions are nothing that other games haven't already done, and done much better.

Also calling something mediocre is not equal to "crap." Mediocre means plain, average, standard, run-of-the-mill. The connotation is typically negative because no one appreciates a product that doesn't put any effort forth to distinguish itself. 1886 is a mediocre game.

I don't like it, but I don't hate it.

I nothing it.