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#52 BattleTurtles
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[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

[QUOTE="ghost392"]

By that logic any game using prerendered sucks??? FFIX Xenogears etc. all SUCK?

Seriously its called art dirrection they are making it look unique with painting esq in CC it was the same universe as FF7 so Chaos Rings is a un ique game and this is a HYPE thread not a HATE thread

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Ummmm excuse me, I may be wrong about this, but weren't you the one complaining about SMT: Strange Journey not have animations in battle.....

...seems hypocritical to use this "design choice" arguement if it was you who said that.

Also CC does look better and is more demanding.

Well if making characters jaggy and backgrounds static is a design choice it was a very terrible one imo.

Fixed.
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#53 sam_nintendo
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Wow you ask me about snow particles when you posted the pics with them... Chaos Rings has nice smoke effect in lava too soo it wins in particles. Its CC fault it uses bad 3D backgrounds as opposed to good 2D ones... Also the 2D is a design choice because they want to make it like FF7,8,9, Xnogears, etc. The backgrounds look very nice In Chaos rings like a painting.ghost392
The only "particles" I can find are in screenshots you've provided. When I went to youtube to watch videos I could only find one video. There was "rain" which consisted of a filter over the action. If the snow is the same, it's not particles.

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#55 ghost392
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I guess he got ownd too fast to respond...Desmonic

No I was adding a poll

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#56 ThePlothole
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FF13 has good 3D backgrounds but games like FFX would look better with prerendered imo

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FWIW, Final Fantasy X used a combination of 3D and pre-rendered backgrounds.

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#57 sam_nintendo
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[QUOTE="Desmonic"]I guess he got ownd too fast to respond...ghost392

No I was adding a poll

Do you have any video of your victorious particles? I can't seem to find one.
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[QUOTE="ghost392"]Wow you ask me about snow particles when you posted the pics with them... Chaos Rings has nice smoke effect in lava too soo it wins in particles. Its CC fault it uses bad 3D backgrounds as opposed to good 2D ones... Also the 2D is a design choice because they want to make it like FF7,8,9, Xnogears, etc. The backgrounds look very nice In Chaos rings like a painting.sam_nintendo

The only "particles" I can find are in screenshots you've provided. When I went to youtube to watch videos I could only find one video. There was "rain" which consisted of a filter over the action. If the snow is the same, it's not particles.

Yeah, I found that too. Seems my theory was correct, the snow and rain aren't particles, they're just screen filters. So basically the game is nothing but 2D Backgrounds, screen filters, and 3D Character models. And the character models look far worse than those seen in Crisis Core, even though they are the ONLY demanding part of the game. I'd say that's pretty bad.
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No thanks.
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#61 WAIW
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When is this getting stickied and Im hoping AAAAE because Chrono Cross got itghost392
In order to be stickied there has to be an excess of hype and excited posters for the game. This isn't getting stickied.
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#62 HuusAsking
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I couldn't say what this game will get, but it does look like something worth keeping an eye on.

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PS. Looks like the i-devices are coming closer and closer to fulfilling all the requirements in your sig, if they're not there already. This is a mainstream game (a JRPG, in fact) from a mainstream developer (Square-Enix) that (AFAWK) is only coming to the iPhone. That satisfies (1) (exclusives are by definition made specifically for the platform) and (2) (It's an official mainstream game), and combined with the other games already available should clinch (3) as well.
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#63 HuusAsking
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[QUOTE="ghost392"]

[QUOTE="Desmonic"] Again, what snow particles? The ones in the Chaos RIngs pic? What about them? Do you think having snow particles but not even being able to do 3D backgrounds is a good thing? So because Caos Rings has a little fog above the (which is likely a part of the actual background) lava it wins in particles!? LAWL! XD Also, going with your logic 2D backgrounds >>>> 3D backgrounds/enviornments.. So FF 13, in your opinion would have been better with 2D backgrounds...heck, it wouldn't even need to be a next gen game! It could all still be done on the PS2, GameCube and Xbox! Either way, Crisis Core is far more impressive for a handheld RPG and as I said will most likely end up as the better game. Desmonic

I told you it was a design choice because other Ipod Touch games do 3D and the particles are amazing compared to CC and Good 2d > jaggiefest 3D backgrounds

FF13 has good 3D backgrounds but games like FFX would look better with prerendered imo

Sorry, my bad when writting the name of the game. But anyway.again proof? Proof tha iPod Touch games do 3D and particles better than Crisis Core. And I'd rather have a fully 3D explorable, interactive background than a "pretty" static 2D background. As I said, it's more impressive and it's far more enjoyable to play. But if you think a game with 2D backgrounds and 3D characters that still look far worse than those found on Crisis Core, is going to be the pinnacle of RPG's on handhelds well you are gravely mistaken buddy. Also basing myself from the trailer the battle system doesn't seem to be all that great either....

There may be another reason. Try moving around a fully 3D-explorable area...with no controller stick. Remember: iPhones have their touchscreen and "that button", and that's it.
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#65 ghost392
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To be fair though CC uses alot more space then Chaos Rings so stop comparing... or I will compare to DS rpg graphics XD
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#66 shadow_hosi
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my word, iphone games are getting hype threads now? *sigh* maybe its time i give up the rat race
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#67 Skittles_McGee
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To be fair though CC uses alot more space then Chaos Rings so stop comparing... or I will compare to DS rpg graphics XDghost392
So basically you're admitting defeat. Of course if you're gonna compare graphics with DS RPGs, then be prepared compare everything else too. So now you have to make Chaos Rings compete with Devil Survivor, Strange Journey, The World Ends with You, FFIV, Chrono Trigger, Lunar Knights, you know what the point is there. Good luck :|
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[QUOTE="ghost392"]To be fair though CC uses alot more space then Chaos Rings so stop comparing... or I will compare to DS rpg graphics XDSkittles_McGee
So basically you're admitting defeat. Of course if you're gonna compare graphics with DS RPGs, then be prepared compare everything else too. So now you have to make Chaos Rings compete with Devil Survivor, Strange Journey, The World Ends with You, FFIV, Chrono Trigger, Lunar Knights, you know what the point is there. Good luck :|

Um Im sure it can handle it and what is defeat? It would look much better then CC if Apple wanted to dump UMD on their consumer... Ipod Touch has best spec btw.

Are you seriously going to use strange journey

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[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="ghost392"]To be fair though CC uses alot more space then Chaos Rings so stop comparing... or I will compare to DS rpg graphics XDghost392

So basically you're admitting defeat. Of course if you're gonna compare graphics with DS RPGs, then be prepared compare everything else too. So now you have to make Chaos Rings compete with Devil Survivor, Strange Journey, The World Ends with You, FFIV, Chrono Trigger, Lunar Knights, you know what the point is there. Good luck :|

Um Im sure it can handle it and what is defeat? It would look much better then CC if Apple wanted to dump UMD on their consumer... Ipod Touch has best spec btw.

Are you seriously going to use strange journey

Well you're quite content using Non-GS reviews. You do it all the time, so yes I will use Strange Journey. But basically you've been trying to say Chaos Rings looks more impressive than Crisis Core. Obviously it doesn't. Don't backtrack. You lost, admit to that.
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#70 ghost392
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^ Your saying STRANGE JOURNEY does XD Chaos Rings is more impressive btw considering its size
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#71 Skittles_McGee
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^ Your saying STRANGE JOURNEY does XD Chaos Rings is more impressive btw considering its sizeghost392
Well lets see. As I said you LOVE not using Gamespot reviews. Take a look around the internet. Off of GS, Strange Journey has great scores. So now you're in a corner, you either have to admit Strange Journey is a great game or you discredit any reviews that are not Gamespot, and thus you have NOTHING. No AAAs, no AAs, NOTHING. :o :o :shock: :o

Pick your poison.

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#72 ghost392
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^ Other reviews arent on GS site though... Any review on GS has credit in system wars. Go to their site and you will find a plethora of Ipod Touch reviews and GS handpicked the ones they accepted and placed them on this site ( Why write the same review when they are both owned by CNET)
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[QUOTE="ghost392"]^ Other reviews arent on GS site though... Any review on GS has credit in system wars. Go to their site and you will find a plethora of Ipod Touch reviews and GS handpicked the ones they accepted and placed them on this site ( Why write the same review when they are both owned by CNET)

Guess what, ever click the little thing called "critic score"? Those are other sites. Linked on GS. Backtrack some more please.
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#74 ghost392
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[QUOTE="ghost392"]^ Other reviews arent on GS site though... Any review on GS has credit in system wars. Go to their site and you will find a plethora of Ipod Touch reviews and GS handpicked the ones they accepted and placed them on this site ( Why write the same review when they are both owned by CNET) Skittles_McGee
Guess what, ever click the little thing called "critic score"? Those are other sites. Linked on GS. Backtrack some more please.

Keyword LINKED and go look and the Slide2Play reviews they have a GAMESPOT SCORE meaning the review is agreed with and gamespot scores the game the same

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[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="ghost392"]^ Other reviews arent on GS site though... Any review on GS has credit in system wars. Go to their site and you will find a plethora of Ipod Touch reviews and GS handpicked the ones they accepted and placed them on this site ( Why write the same review when they are both owned by CNET) ghost392

Guess what, ever click the little thing called "critic score"? Those are other sites. Linked on GS. Backtrack some more please.

Keyword LINKED and go look and the Slide2Play reviews they have a GAMESPOT SCORE meaning the review is agreed with and gamespot scores the game the same

They are specified as not being Gamespot scores however. Spin that how you like, they are not GS.
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#77 HuusAsking
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[QUOTE="ghost392"]

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"] Guess what, ever click the little thing called "critic score"? Those are other sites. Linked on GS. Backtrack some more please.Skittles_McGee

Keyword LINKED and go look and the Slide2Play reviews they have a GAMESPOT SCORE meaning the review is agreed with and gamespot scores the game the same

They are specified as not being Gamespot scores however. Spin that how you like, they are not GS.

So basically, Slide2Play and GS are lying?
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[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="ghost392"]To be fair though CC uses alot more space then Chaos Rings so stop comparing... or I will compare to DS rpg graphics XDghost392

So basically you're admitting defeat. Of course if you're gonna compare graphics with DS RPGs, then be prepared compare everything else too. So now you have to make Chaos Rings compete with Devil Survivor, Strange Journey, The World Ends with You, FFIV, Chrono Trigger, Lunar Knights, you know what the point is there. Good luck :|

Um Im sure it can handle it and what is defeat? It would look much better then CC if Apple wanted to dump UMD on their consumer... Ipod Touch has best spec btw.

Are you seriously going to use strange journey

Care to compare the specs of a PSP and an iPod Touch to show us how much better? And don't forget the GPUs, too.
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#79 ghost392
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[QUOTE="ghost392"]

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"] So basically you're admitting defeat. Of course if you're gonna compare graphics with DS RPGs, then be prepared compare everything else too. So now you have to make Chaos Rings compete with Devil Survivor, Strange Journey, The World Ends with You, FFIV, Chrono Trigger, Lunar Knights, you know what the point is there. Good luck :|HuusAsking

Um Im sure it can handle it and what is defeat? It would look much better then CC if Apple wanted to dump UMD on their consumer... Ipod Touch has best spec btw.

Are you seriously going to use strange journey

Care to compare the specs of a PSP and an iPod Touch to show us how much better? And don't forget the GPUs, too.

PS- CPU MIPS R4000-based; clocked from 1 to 333MHz

Memory 32 and 64 MB

Weight 158grams

Resolution 480 × 272

Ipod Touch/Iphone- CPU ARM Cortex-A8 833MHz (underclocked to 600MHz)

Memory 256 MB

Weight 115grams

Resolution 480 × 320

DS( Just to laugh)

CPU DS and DSL: 67MHz ARM9 and 33MHz ARM7 ( Most games use this )

DSi: 133MHz ARM9 and 33MHz ARM7 ( havent seen a game use

Memory 4mb and 16mb for DSi

Weight 314 g

Resolution 256 × 192

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#80 ghost392
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Cant find ipod Touch gpu but I know Ipod Touch is better because it has better video playback the only reason CC looks good is space DS- 656 KB VRAM 260,000 colors PS- 2 MB EDRAM 16.77 million colors
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Looks like a solid, 6.0.
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#83 HuusAsking
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Cant find ipod Touch gpu but I know Ipod Touch is better because it has better video playback the only reason CC looks good is space DS- 656 KB VRAM 260,000 colors PS- 2 MB EDRAM 16.77 million colorsghost392
Not always. Video playback and 3D rendering are two different tasks. In the days before 3D accelerators, graphics cards carried video acceleration capabilities, and the two capabilities remain rather separate (the GPU makers have to program in the capability). However, in the low-power arena, video-playback specialization is handy--3D acceleration not so much (chews up the batteries). That's why I need to know the GPUs, too. The iPhone's GPU could be stronger with video than with 3D, which is why the PSP's GPU (which is a known 3D-capable part) can show much more flash.

UPDATE: OK, I got the answers myself. The iPhone's GPU is a PowerVR part. This makes its 3D capabilities a wildcard in that no one really knows its limits. The PSPs is unknown, too, because it's proprietary, but odds are it's related to the Graphics Synthesizer that was on the PS2.

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#84 Miroku32
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I'm seeing why people is starting to hate TC. He is annoying with all the Apple Hype. So, there are worms in System Wars now?
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i've seen train wrecks that have gone better than this 'hype' thread
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[QUOTE="ghost392"]Cant find ipod Touch gpu but I know Ipod Touch is better because it has better video playback the only reason CC looks good is space DS- 656 KB VRAM 260,000 colors PS- 2 MB EDRAM 16.77 million colors

Hey, you planning on backing up your "particles" claim yet?
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[QUOTE="ghost392"]Cant find ipod Touch gpu but I know Ipod Touch is better because it has better video playback the only reason CC looks good is space DS- 656 KB VRAM 260,000 colors PS- 2 MB EDRAM 16.77 million colorssam_nintendo
Hey, you planning on backing up your "particles" claim yet?

I dont need to the game will back it up for me on release.

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#89 Richymisiak
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[QUOTE="sam_nintendo"][QUOTE="ghost392"]Cant find ipod Touch gpu but I know Ipod Touch is better because it has better video playback the only reason CC looks good is space DS- 656 KB VRAM 260,000 colors PS- 2 MB EDRAM 16.77 million colorsghost392

Hey, you planning on backing up your "particles" claim yet?

I dont need to the game will back it up for me on release.

so you can't, thats nice to know
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#90 sam_nintendo
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[QUOTE="sam_nintendo"][QUOTE="ghost392"]Cant find ipod Touch gpu but I know Ipod Touch is better because it has better video playback the only reason CC looks good is space DS- 656 KB VRAM 260,000 colors PS- 2 MB EDRAM 16.77 million colorsghost392

Hey, you planning on backing up your "particles" claim yet?

I dont need to the game will back it up for me on release.

Bull, you said the game had better graphics because of these "particles." You were lying, deal with it.

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When is this getting stickied and Im hoping AAAAE because Chrono Cross got itghost392

I can't believe you just said that.

Chrono Cross ANNIHILATES this game! This game is NOTHING compared to Chrono Cross! Let along Chrono Trigger!

The only game that can beat Chrono Cross would be another "Chrono" game AND THAT'S A FACT! Don't compare this to Chrono Cross. heck NEVER Compare this to Chrono Cross!

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I'm guessing AAA, since the site that does the iPhone/iPod Touch reviews here are an iPhone exclusive reviewer.

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#93 ghost392
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[QUOTE="ghost392"]When is this getting stickied and Im hoping AAAAE because Chrono Cross got itLegatoSkyheart

I can't believe you just said that.

Chrono Cross ANNIHILATES this game! This game is NOTHING compared to Chrono Cross! Let along Chrono Trigger!

The only game that can beat Chrono Cross would be another "Chrono" game AND THAT'S A FACT! Don't compare this to Chrono Cross. heck NEVER Compare this to Chrono Cross!

Why they are made by the same people and this has a visually unique art dirrection to it

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I'm guessing AAA, since the site that does the iPhone/iPod Touch reviews here are an iPhone exclusive reviewer.

Phoenix534

Reviews dont convert to AAA scores do and GS scores the games (Unless your trying to call them liers *glares* which would not only be reckless but unnecessary as the other site gave Eliminate Pro a 4/4 which would be roughly 10/10 here but GS scored it a 9/10)

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[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

I'm guessing AAA, since the site that does the iPhone/iPod Touch reviews here are an iPhone exclusive reviewer.

ghost392

Reviews dont convert to AAA scores do and GS scores the games (Unless your trying to call them liers *glares* which would not only be reckless but unnecessary as the other site gave Eliminate Pro a 4/4 which would be roughly 10/10 here but GS scored it a 9/10)

Doesn't SlidtoPlay review the games, and GS just post the scores on the site?
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(Unless your trying to call them liers >ghost392
Uhh.. What?
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#97 ghost392
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[QUOTE="ghost392"]

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

I'm guessing AAA, since the site that does the iPhone/iPod Touch reviews here are an iPhone exclusive reviewer.

After_Math

Reviews dont convert to AAA scores do and GS scores the games (Unless your trying to call them liers *glares* which would not only be reckless but unnecessary as the other site gave Eliminate Pro a 4/4 which would be roughly 10/10 here but GS scored it a 9/10)

Doesn't SlidtoPlay review the games, and GS just post the scores on the site?

GS scores the games themselves and System wars goes by scores not reviews and a 9is AAAE allways when it has the words OFFICIAL GAMESPOT I repeat GAMESPOT SCORE UNDER THE REVIEW ( also the score is DIFFERENT then what the converted Slide2Play score would infact be) but go ahead and dismiss Ipod Touch games

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[QUOTE="After_Math"][QUOTE="ghost392"]

Reviews dont convert to AAA scores do and GS scores the games (Unless your trying to call them liers *glares* which would not only be reckless but unnecessary as the other site gave Eliminate Pro a 4/4 which would be roughly 10/10 here but GS scored it a 9/10)

ghost392

Doesn't SlidtoPlay review the games, and GS just post the scores on the site?

GS scores the games themselves and System wars goes by scores not reviews and a 9is AAAE allways when it has the words OFFICIAL GAMESPOT I repeat GAMESPOT SCORE UNDER THE REVIEW ( also the score is DIFFERENT then what the converted Slide2Play score would infact be) but go ahead and dismiss Ipod Touch games

I haven't dismissed anything. On the iPhone page I only see User Rated Games. Why is that? Am I looking at the wrong thing?
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#99 ghost392
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[QUOTE="After_Math"] Doesn't SlidtoPlay review the games, and GS just post the scores on the site?After_Math

GS scores the games themselves and System wars goes by scores not reviews and a 9is AAAE allways when it has the words OFFICIAL GAMESPOT I repeat GAMESPOT SCORE UNDER THE REVIEW ( also the score is DIFFERENT then what the converted Slide2Play score would infact be) but go ahead and dismiss Ipod Touch games

I haven't dismissed anything. On the iPhone page I only see User Rated Games. Why is that? Am I looking at the wrong thing?

Here is the review page with GS scores

Recent Reviews ( I chose to post this as it clearly displays the Gamespot Score and Editors Choice)

Now does anyone else think the character with white hair in Chaos Rings looks sweet?

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#100 After_Math
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[QUOTE="After_Math"][QUOTE="ghost392"]

GS scores the games themselves and System wars goes by scores not reviews and a 9is AAAE allways when it has the words OFFICIAL GAMESPOT I repeat GAMESPOT SCORE UNDER THE REVIEW ( also the score is DIFFERENT then what the converted Slide2Play score would infact be) but go ahead and dismiss Ipod Touch games

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I haven't dismissed anything. On the iPhone page I only see User Rated Games. Why is that? Am I looking at the wrong thing?

Here is the review page with GS scores

Recent Reviews ( I chose to post this as it clearly displays the Gamespot Score and Editors Choice)

Now does anyone else think the character with white hair in Chaos Rings looks sweet?

The character seems kinda scary to me actually btw. And the games were reviewed by Slide2Play "This review was provided by GameSpot mobile content partner SlideToPlay.com. By Chris Reed/SlideToPlay.com, GameSpotPosted Feb 12, 2010 7:02 pm PT "

I know you say GS goes by scores, but GS didn't even write the review, and prob. didn't even play the game. The editor isn't even from Gamespot.