The Legend of Zelda, Nintendo Only Makes Masterpieces

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]

Well, I haven't played Wind Waker in over 10 years, so I couldn't give you my opinion on it without it being muddled, but Skyward Sword was damn good.

Damn good.

And, just for future reference, that is coming from someone who doesn't enjoy the Zelda games very much.

WiiCubeM1

No, no.

I know what you're referring to, but people seem to always assume the dungeon design was best in games like Ocarina, even though it's puzzles were matched and beaten in later games (and, personally, the best dungeon design was Majora's Mask, but it went a little far on occasion).

And, honestly, I thought you hated Twilight. I could have sworn you said that at some point in the past, but I probably just misread a quote.

Ocarina's dungeon design is good (see: The Forest Temple, Fire Temple, Spirit Temple, Shadow Temple), but there's serious missteps (Water Temple). But Ocarina was a template that has been iterated on over and over and over again. It's a victim of it's own success. Is it still a well-designed game? Hell yes, especially for its time (and it's really important when discussing any work of art to consider when it was made). Ocarina is a masterpiece.

Is it the best Zelda game? No. Iteration has passed it by.

But I agree, Majora's Mask is pretty ace.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]

But what about art that is "above criticism" ? ;)

Game design judgement is prone to subjectivity, period.

Of course you can point out some "design flaws" and such, but what is a flaw in one man's eyes is a good thing in another one's.

There simply is no "universal standard" by which games would be rated other than "let's compare this to what already exists" or "do I have fun with it".

BrunoBRS

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]

But what about art that is "above criticism" ? ;)

Game design judgement is prone to subjectivity, period.

Of course you can point out some "design flaws" and such, but what is a flaw in one man's eyes is a good thing in another one's.

There simply is no "universal standard" by which games would be rated other than "let's compare this to what already exists" or "do I have fun with it".

nameless12345

And who exactly has the authority to critique objectively?

Those who played a lot of games?

That alone doesn't make them good reviewers per-se and they are still prone to subjectivity and personal opinions.

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]Ocarina of Time: 99 Majora's Mask: 95 Windwaker: 96 Twilight Princess: 95 Skyward Sword: 93 With Zelda U coming out in the next few years, Nintendo is bound to create another Masterpiece. Will The Legend of Zelda continue to deliver on all aspects or will Nintendo drop the ball with this one? DerveCreaves

Its actually not higher rated. Its so close though that its like splitting hairs, so there isnt a point in debate. You're still wrong though.

Besides that, people love the GTA series. Moreso than Zelda on this board, so I dont see your point.

[QUOTE="DerveCreaves"][QUOTE="RyanShazam"]Ocarina of Time: 99 Majora's Mask: 95 Windwaker: 96 Twilight Princess: 95 Skyward Sword: 93 With Zelda U coming out in the next few years, Nintendo is bound to create another Masterpiece. Will The Legend of Zelda continue to deliver on all aspects or will Nintendo drop the ball with this one? ConanTheStoner

Its actually not higher rated. Its so close though that its like splitting hairs, so there isnt a point in debate. You're still wrong though.

Besides that, people love the GTA series. Moreso than Zelda on this board, so I dont see your point.

I would hardly call all of them masterpieces.

Maybe OoT and Majora's Mask

[QUOTE="ConanTheStoner"]

[QUOTE="DerveCreaves"] Then someone posts the higher rated GTA series and nothing happens.DarkLink77

Its actually not higher rated. Its so close though that its like splitting hairs, so there isnt a point in debate. You're still wrong though.

Besides that, people love the GTA series. Moreso than Zelda on this board, so I dont see your point.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="ConanTheStoner"]

Its actually not higher rated. Its so close though that its like splitting hairs, so there isnt a point in debate. You're still wrong though.

Besides that, people love the GTA series. Moreso than Zelda on this board, so I dont see your point.

DerveCreaves

Just reach a little further. Grasp and the straws will come.

Wind Waker's the best Zelda game...

[spoiler] I'll add IMO incase DarkLink starts going on about objective standards [/spoiler]

So this is just a Legend of Zelda circlejerk thread? I'm down with that

*strokes

So this is just a Legend of Zelda circlejerk thread? I'm down with that

*strokes

whiskeystrike

I heard Wind Waker is geting an HD treatment on the Wii U, I'm looking forward to that since it's like the one GameCube game I can't get my hands on... but I'll need a Wii U first.lamprey263

[QUOTE="DerveCreaves"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] This. Also no GTA game has a MC rating of 99. And no game will ever get one again, most likely.ConanTheStoner

Just reach a little further. Grasp and the straws will come.

lolSkywardSwordcharizard1605

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]lolSkywardSwordRyanShazam

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"][QUOTE="charizard1605"]lolSkywardSwordcharizard1605

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"][QUOTE="charizard1605"]lolSkywardSwordcharizard1605

[QUOTE="ConanTheStoner"]

[QUOTE="DerveCreaves"] Once WWU comes out then GTA will be higher rated because then we could include remakes.DerveCreaves

Just reach a little further. Grasp and the straws will come.

Buddy you're the one that brought up GTA in a Zelda topic.

You can say neither are good. That's fine, its all a matter of preference. But they're both among the most well received gaming series of all time.

And I believe the phrase "grasping for straws" is lost on you. You're the one trying too hard to support your flimsy argument and misinformation. I'm simply hitting you the facts. So who is grasping here?

Exactly.

You'd have to be out of your mind to consider Twilight Princess a masterpiece.

You'd have to be out of your mind to consider Twilight Princess a masterpiece.

sammyjenkis898

One of my favorite games this gen, I think I liked it more than most. But yeah, masterpiece is a strong word.

I reserve that for games like SMG2, FFVI, Chrono Trigger, SotN, Yoshis Island, MGS3, Ninja Gaiden Black, etc..

[QUOTE="DerveCreaves"][QUOTE="ConanTheStoner"]

Just reach a little further. Grasp and the straws will come.

ConanTheStoner

Buddy you're the one that brought up GTA in a Zelda topic.

You can say neither are good. That's fine, its all a matter of preference. But they're both among the most well received gaming series of all time.

And I believe the phrase "grasping for straws" is lost on you. You're the one trying too hard to support your flimsy argument and misinformation. I'm simply hitting you the facts. So who is grasping here?

Exactly.

Ah the butthurt in this thread is pricless :cool: way to go, Ryan, I agree.bbkkristian

Ocarina of Time: 99 Majora's Mask: 95 Windwaker: 96 Twilight Princess: 95 Skyward Sword: 93 With Zelda U coming out in the next few years, Nintendo is bound to create another Masterpiece. Will The Legend of Zelda continue to deliver on all aspects or will Nintendo drop the ball with this one? RyanShazam

yep a santas little helper that goes around with a twig saying ha ha ha ha ha ha and thats all he says throughout his life.

Ah the butthurt in this thread is pricless :cool: way to go, Ryan, I agree.bbkkristian

I'm not a big Zelda guy, Wind Waker was pretty f*cking great, though. TP and SS were beautiful and entertaining but... eh. It's time to shake it up. I'm glad to hear that Nintendo is looking to restructure the next game, the series has basically followed the same blueprint since '98.enterawesome

[QUOTE="enterawesome"]I'm not a big Zelda guy, Wind Waker was pretty f*cking great, though. TP and SS were beautiful and entertaining but... eh. It's time to shake it up. I'm glad to hear that Nintendo is looking to restructure the next game, the series has basically followed the same blueprint since '98.sammyjenkis898

[QUOTE="ConanTheStoner"]

[QUOTE="DerveCreaves"] It's the only reason people say Zelda is better than GTA for the sole reason that(on MC) that they don't include re-releases/remakes. Also neither are that good so I think you are grasping at straws thinking I am tied to one or the other.DerveCreaves

Buddy you're the one that brought up GTA in a Zelda topic.

You can say neither are good. That's fine, its all a matter of preference. But they're both among the most well received gaming series of all time.

And I believe the phrase "grasping for straws" is lost on you. You're the one trying too hard to support your flimsy argument and misinformation. I'm simply hitting you the facts. So who is grasping here?

Exactly.

Allow me to make this easy for you.

You randomly brought up a point that the GTA series is higher scoring. MISINFORMATION. I told you that you were wrong. FACT. Not that it matters as they are so close, but still you're wrong.

Rather than simply admit you were wrong, or just leave it alone, you come at me with the "what if" scenarios as if they have any bearing on your off topic tangent to begin with. GRASPING.

Get it? Good.

[QUOTE="DerveCreaves"][QUOTE="ConanTheStoner"]

Buddy you're the one that brought up GTA in a Zelda topic.

You can say neither are good. That's fine, its all a matter of preference. But they're both among the most well received gaming series of all time.

And I believe the phrase "grasping for straws" is lost on you. You're the one trying too hard to support your flimsy argument and misinformation. I'm simply hitting you the facts. So who is grasping here?

Exactly.

ConanTheStoner

Allow me to make this easy for you.

You randomly brought up a point that the GTA series is higher scoring. MISINFORMATION. I told you that you we're wrong. FACT. Not that it matters as they are so close, but still you're wrong.

Rather than simply admit you were wrong, or just leave it alone, you come at me with the "what if" scenarios as if they have any bearing on your off topic tangent to begin with. GRASPING.

Get it? Good.

[QUOTE="ConanTheStoner"]

[QUOTE="DerveCreaves"] Hitting me with facts you have no proof of? How is it misinformation when counting rated re-releases/Remakes Zelda losses but if you don't Zelda wins? You are spreading misinformation.DerveCreaves

Allow me to make this easy for you.

You randomly brought up a point that the GTA series is higher scoring. MISINFORMATION. I told you that you we're wrong. FACT. Not that it matters as they are so close, but still you're wrong.

Rather than simply admit you were wrong, or just leave it alone, you come at me with the "what if" scenarios as if they have any bearing on your off topic tangent to begin with. GRASPING.

Get it? Good.

1. Wrong. go back and read your post. It was quoted by multiple people, including myself.

2. Even if you would have originally (which you did later), that is grasping. The point you attempted to make fell flat on its ass. So now you're back pedaling trying to save face... as if it matters.

You're not going to win a prize for being right, but in this case you're wrong.

Getting upset and telling me to shut up doesn't help you at all.

The only real butthurt are fans that take Aonuma's Wind Waker up. Really, Aonuma can't make a good Zelda game.

[QUOTE="DerveCreaves"][QUOTE="ConanTheStoner"]

Allow me to make this easy for you.

You randomly brought up a point that the GTA series is higher scoring. MISINFORMATION. I told you that you we're wrong. FACT. Not that it matters as they are so close, but still you're wrong.

Rather than simply admit you were wrong, or just leave it alone, you come at me with the "what if" scenarios as if they have any bearing on your off topic tangent to begin with. GRASPING.

Get it? Good.

ConanTheStoner

1. Wrong. go back and read your post. It was quoted by multiple people, including myself.

2. Even if you would have originally (which you did later), that is grasping. The point you attempted to make fell flat on its ass. So now you're back pedaling trying to save face... as if it matters.

You're not going to win a prize for being right, but in this case you're wrong.

Getting upset and telling me to shut up doesn't help you at all.