The Legend of Zelda, Nintendo Only Makes Masterpieces

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#1 Posted by RyanShazam (6498 posts) -
Ocarina of Time: 99 Majora's Mask: 95 Windwaker: 96 Twilight Princess: 95 Skyward Sword: 93 With Zelda U coming out in the next few years, Nintendo is bound to create another Masterpiece. Will The Legend of Zelda continue to deliver on all aspects or will Nintendo drop the ball with this one?
#2 Posted by DarkLink77 (31697 posts) -
[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]Ocarina of Time: 99 Majora's Mask: 95 Windwaker: 96 Twilight Princess: 95 Skyward Sword: 93 With Zelda U coming out in the next few years, Nintendo is bound to create another Masterpiece. Will The Legend of Zelda continue to silver on all aspects or will Nintendo drop the ball with this one?

Wind Waker a masterpiece? Skyward Sword a masterpiece? Get the f*ck out.
#3 Posted by Michael0134567 (28651 posts) -

Ryan telling the truth again.

#4 Posted by Thefatness16 (4672 posts) -

Wouldn't call a game a masterpiece based off of metacritc score(not saying Zelda isn't good). If that were the case Halo 4 wouldn't be an abomination.

#5 Posted by RyanShazam (6498 posts) -
[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="RyanShazam"]Ocarina of Time: 99 Majora's Mask: 95 Windwaker: 96 Twilight Princess: 95 Skyward Sword: 93 With Zelda U coming out in the next few years, Nintendo is bound to create another Masterpiece. Will The Legend of Zelda continue to silver on all aspects or will Nintendo drop the ball with this one?

Wind Waker a masterpiece? Skyward Sword a masterpiece? Get the f*ck out.

Windwaker won GOTY here didn't it?
#6 Posted by RyanShazam (6498 posts) -

Wouldn't call a game a masterpiece based off of metacritc score(not saying Zelda isn't good). If that were the case Halo 4 wouldn't an abomination.

Thefatness16
Well I personally think they are. Just using MC to back up my claim.
#7 Posted by GD1551 (9155 posts) -

Brand/Nostalgia scores. If critics weren't so inconsistent when it came to the concept of rehashing, everything after MM would not be rated so highly.

#8 Posted by PhazonBlazer (11948 posts) -

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]Ocarina of Time: 99 Majora's Mask: 95 Windwaker: 96 Twilight Princess: 95 Skyward Sword: 93 With Zelda U coming out in the next few years, Nintendo is bound to create another Masterpiece. Will The Legend of Zelda continue to silver on all aspects or will Nintendo drop the ball with this one? DarkLink77
Wind Waker a masterpiece? Skyward Sword a masterpiece? Get the f*ck out.

But they are, especially Wind Waker:|

#9 Posted by nameless12345 (15125 posts) -

Wouldn't call a game a masterpiece based off of metacritc score(not saying Zelda isn't good). If that were the case Halo 4 would be an abomination.

Thefatness16

Well what do you know... :P

#10 Posted by DJ-Lafleur (34175 posts) -

Not all Zeldas are masterpieces, but most are still pretty damn good.

#11 Posted by spike6958 (4879 posts) -
[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="RyanShazam"]Ocarina of Time: 99 Majora's Mask: 95 Windwaker: 96 Twilight Princess: 95 Skyward Sword: 93 With Zelda U coming out in the next few years, Nintendo is bound to create another Masterpiece. Will The Legend of Zelda continue to silver on all aspects or will Nintendo drop the ball with this one?

Wind Waker a masterpiece? Skyward Sword a masterpiece? Get the f*ck out.

Wind Waker is the greatest game ever made.
#12 Posted by RyanShazam (6498 posts) -

Brand/Nostalgia scores. If critics weren't so inconsistent when it came to the concept of rehashing, everything after MM would not be rated so highly.

GD1551
Sure the basic concept to a Zelda game doesn't change but each new game in the series does enough to separate itself from the rest and make it feel like a unique and fresh experience. Brand/Nostalgia can be used to contradict any score given to a new game in a series.
#13 Posted by Slashkice (13306 posts) -

>Skyward Sword

>masterpiece

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#14 Posted by Thefatness16 (4672 posts) -

[QUOTE="Thefatness16"]

Wouldn't call a game a masterpiece based off of metacritc score(not saying Zelda isn't good). If that were the case Halo 4 would be an abomination.

nameless12345

Well what do you know... :P

Halo 4 is awful.

Easily the worst game I played last year, and I'm including several IOS games. It's easily the most disgraceful sequel I've ever played, that throws out the core foundation of what it was built upon.

#15 Posted by BrunoBRS (73263 posts) -
[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="RyanShazam"]Ocarina of Time: 99 Majora's Mask: 95 Windwaker: 96 Twilight Princess: 95 Skyward Sword: 93 With Zelda U coming out in the next few years, Nintendo is bound to create another Masterpiece. Will The Legend of Zelda continue to silver on all aspects or will Nintendo drop the ball with this one?

Wind Waker a masterpiece? Skyward Sword a masterpiece? Get the f*ck out.

no u.
#16 Posted by DarkLink77 (31697 posts) -
[QUOTE="spike6958"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="RyanShazam"]Ocarina of Time: 99 Majora's Mask: 95 Windwaker: 96 Twilight Princess: 95 Skyward Sword: 93 With Zelda U coming out in the next few years, Nintendo is bound to create another Masterpiece. Will The Legend of Zelda continue to silver on all aspects or will Nintendo drop the ball with this one?

Wind Waker a masterpiece? Skyward Sword a masterpiece? Get the f*ck out.

Wind Waker is the greatest game ever made.

Your taste is objectively terrible.
#17 Posted by BrunoBRS (73263 posts) -
[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="spike6958"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Wind Waker a masterpiece? Skyward Sword a masterpiece? Get the f*ck out.

Wind Waker is the greatest game ever made.

Your taste is objectively terrible.

stop projecting yourself on other people.
#18 Posted by spike6958 (4879 posts) -
[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="spike6958"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Wind Waker a masterpiece? Skyward Sword a masterpiece? Get the f*ck out.

Wind Waker is the greatest game ever made.

Your taste is objectively terrible.

No, you're getting me and you confused. Just because you can't enjoy amazing games, doesn't mean there bad, just means you are an idiot.
#19 Posted by DarkLink77 (31697 posts) -
[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="spike6958"] Wind Waker is the greatest game ever made.

Your taste is objectively terrible.

stop projecting yourself on other people.

:lol: Please. Wind Waker has flaws up the wazoo.
#20 Posted by nameless12345 (15125 posts) -

[QUOTE="spike6958"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Wind Waker a masterpiece? Skyward Sword a masterpiece? Get the f*ck out. DarkLink77
Wind Waker is the greatest game ever made.

Your taste is objectively terrible.

How can you judge taste objectively?

He could consider Big Rigs or Faces of Evil his top game and you still cound't judge his taste "objectively"...

(btw, you hating on WW & SS makes me think you do have a prejudice against good games...)

#21 Posted by DJ-Lafleur (34175 posts) -

This thread hasn't reached second page yet and it's already turning to sh*t.

I should be abonding the thread, but yet I'm still here. :(

EDIT: oh look second page.

#22 Posted by DarkLink77 (31697 posts) -
[QUOTE="spike6958"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="spike6958"] Wind Waker is the greatest game ever made.

Your taste is objectively terrible.

No, you're getting me and you confused. Just because you can't enjoy amazing games, doesn't mean there bad, just means you are an idiot.

If you can enjoy lame dungeons and and even lamer fetch quest, more power to you. I can't because I actually have standards for Zelda games.
#23 Posted by WiiCubeM1 (4728 posts) -

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]Ocarina of Time: 99 Majora's Mask: 95 Windwaker: 96 Twilight Princess: 95 Skyward Sword: 93 With Zelda U coming out in the next few years, Nintendo is bound to create another Masterpiece. Will The Legend of Zelda continue to silver on all aspects or will Nintendo drop the ball with this one? DarkLink77
Wind Waker a masterpiece? Skyward Sword a masterpiece? Get the f*ck out.

Classic System Wars logic, right here.

#24 Posted by Michael0134567 (28651 posts) -

Seriously? :|

#25 Posted by RyanShazam (6498 posts) -
[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Your taste is objectively terrible.

stop projecting yourself on other people.

:lol: Please. Wind Waker has flaws up the wazoo.

Flaws??? That game was near perfect. Everything about it was fantastic. Long side quest, good dungeons, excellent boss battles, introduced picking up enemies weapons and using them, roll and counter attacks, HUGE world, lots of exploration and secrets. You are crazy to think this was a bad game,
#26 Posted by DarkLink77 (31697 posts) -

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="RyanShazam"]Ocarina of Time: 99 Majora's Mask: 95 Windwaker: 96 Twilight Princess: 95 Skyward Sword: 93 With Zelda U coming out in the next few years, Nintendo is bound to create another Masterpiece. Will The Legend of Zelda continue to silver on all aspects or will Nintendo drop the ball with this one? WiiCubeM1

Wind Waker a masterpiece? Skyward Sword a masterpiece? Get the f*ck out.

Classic System Wars logic, right here.

They're not masterpieces by any objective standard of measurement. Good games? Sure. Masterpieces? Come on now.
#27 Posted by DarkLink77 (31697 posts) -
[QUOTE="RyanShazam"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] stop projecting yourself on other people.

:lol: Please. Wind Waker has flaws up the wazoo.

Flaws??? That game was near perfect. Everything about it was fantastic. Long side quest, good dungeons, excellent boss battles, introduced picking up enemies weapons and using them, roll and counter attacks, HUGE world, lots of exploration and secrets. You are crazy to think this was a bad game,

I never once said it was bad. And good dungeons? Please. Wind Waker has some of the worst dungeons in the series.
#28 Posted by BrunoBRS (73263 posts) -
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Wind Waker a masterpiece? Skyward Sword a masterpiece? Get the f*ck out. DarkLink77

Classic System Wars logic, right here.

They're not masterpieces by any objective standard of measurement. Good games? Sure. Masterpieces? Come on now.

good thing there are no objective standards of measurements and you're talking out of your ass. game is incredibly well received, and no amount of BS talk about "objective measures" will change it.
#29 Posted by RyanShazam (6498 posts) -

Ryan telling the truth again.

Michael0134567
I only speak the truth and nothing but the truth :)
#30 Posted by DJ-Lafleur (34175 posts) -

[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Wind Waker a masterpiece? Skyward Sword a masterpiece? Get the f*ck out. DarkLink77

Classic System Wars logic, right here.

They're not masterpieces by any objective standard of measurement. Good games? Sure. Masterpieces? Come on now.

As much as I like WW and SS, I agree with darklink in that they aren't masterpieces. Both games definitely had their issues.

#31 Posted by spike6958 (4879 posts) -
[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="spike6958"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Your taste is objectively terrible.

No, you're getting me and you confused. Just because you can't enjoy amazing games, doesn't mean there bad, just means you are an idiot.

If you can enjoy lame dungeons and and even lamer fetch quest, more power to you. I can't because I actually have standards for Zelda games.

The dungeons where better than any of the other Zelda games, and sure collecting the tri-force can be tedious, but hardly enough to ruin the game. It also has the best story, art designe and music of any game in the series. Certainly better than the over-hype Ocarina, which IMO is the worst game in the series.
#32 Posted by DarkLink77 (31697 posts) -
[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]

Classic System Wars logic, right here.

BrunoBRS
They're not masterpieces by any objective standard of measurement. Good games? Sure. Masterpieces? Come on now.

good thing there are no objective standards of measurements and you're talking out of your ass. game is incredibly well received, and no amount of BS talk about "objective measures" will change it.

Um.. yes there is. You can judge game design on an objective standard, same way you can writing or art. You just have to separate what you like from what is good on its own merits.
#33 Posted by WiiCubeM1 (4728 posts) -

[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Wind Waker a masterpiece? Skyward Sword a masterpiece? Get the f*ck out. DarkLink77

Classic System Wars logic, right here.

They're not masterpieces by any objective standard of measurement. Good games? Sure. Masterpieces? Come on now.

Well, I haven't played Wind Waker in over 10 years, so I couldn't give you my opinion on it without it being muddled, but Skyward Sword was damn good.

Damn good.

And, just for future reference, that is coming from someone who doesn't enjoy the Zelda games very much.

#34 Posted by Michael0134567 (28651 posts) -
[QUOTE="Michael0134567"]

Ryan telling the truth again.

RyanShazam
I only speak the truth and nothing but the truth :)

Indeed ;).
#35 Posted by DarkLink77 (31697 posts) -

The dungeons where better than any of the other Zelda games.spike6958

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#36 Posted by dream431ca (10165 posts) -

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]Ocarina of Time: 99 Majora's Mask: 95 Windwaker: 96 Twilight Princess: 95 Skyward Sword: 93 With Zelda U coming out in the next few years, Nintendo is bound to create another Masterpiece. Will The Legend of Zelda continue to silver on all aspects or will Nintendo drop the ball with this one? DarkLink77
Wind Waker a masterpiece? Skyward Sword a masterpiece? Get the f*ck out.

LOLZZ YOU MAD BRO! :lol:

#37 Posted by DarkLink77 (31697 posts) -

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]

Classic System Wars logic, right here.

WiiCubeM1

They're not masterpieces by any objective standard of measurement. Good games? Sure. Masterpieces? Come on now.

Well, I haven't played Wind Waker in over 10 years, so I couldn't give you my opinion on it without it being muddled, but Skyward Sword was damn good.

Damn good.

And, just for future reference, that is coming from someone who doesn't enjoy the Zelda games very much.

Man, as soon as I say they aren't masterpieces, people assume I mean they're awful. They're both very good games. But you can't stack up Wind Waker's dungeon design next to, say Twilight Princess', for instance. They're not perfect, and if any Zelda game would heavily benefit from a remake that actually changes the design, it's WInd Waker.
#38 Posted by Razor_defiace (1618 posts) -

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]

Classic System Wars logic, right here.

BrunoBRS

They're not masterpieces by any objective standard of measurement. Good games? Sure. Masterpieces? Come on now.

good thing there are no objective standards of measurements and you're talking out of your ass. game is incredibly well received, and no amount of BS talk about "objective measures" will change it.

They're really well received. But they're not masterpieces by any stretch of the imagination. At least the ones that came after the N64 Zeldas

#39 Posted by DarkLink77 (31697 posts) -

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="RyanShazam"]Ocarina of Time: 99 Majora's Mask: 95 Windwaker: 96 Twilight Princess: 95 Skyward Sword: 93 With Zelda U coming out in the next few years, Nintendo is bound to create another Masterpiece. Will The Legend of Zelda continue to silver on all aspects or will Nintendo drop the ball with this one? dream431ca

Wind Waker a masterpiece? Skyward Sword a masterpiece? Get the f*ck out.

LOLZZ YOU MAD BRO! :lol:

Yep. So mad, man. Practically raging. I hate all those Zelda games that I own.
#40 Posted by nameless12345 (15125 posts) -

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] They're not masterpieces by any objective standard of measurement. Good games? Sure. Masterpieces? Come on now.DarkLink77
good thing there are no objective standards of measurements and you're talking out of your ass. game is incredibly well received, and no amount of BS talk about "objective measures" will change it.

Um.. yes there is. You can judge game design on an objective standard, same way you can writing or art. You just have to separate what you like from what is good on its own merits.

But what about art that is "above criticism" ? ;)

Game design judgement is prone to subjectivity, period.

Of course you can point out some "design flaws" and such, but what is a flaw in one man's eyes is a good thing in another one's.

There simply is no "universal standard" by which games would be rated other than "let's compare this to what already exists" or "do I have fun with it".

#41 Posted by DJ-Lafleur (34175 posts) -

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="spike6958"] No, you're getting me and you confused. Just because you can't enjoy amazing games, doesn't mean there bad, just means you are an idiot.spike6958
If you can enjoy lame dungeons and and even lamer fetch quest, more power to you. I can't because I actually have standards for Zelda games.

The dungeons where better than any of the other Zelda games, and sure collecting the tri-force can be tedious, but hardly enough to ruin the game. It also has the best story, art designe and music of any game in the series. Certainly better than the over-hype Ocarina, which IMO is the worst game in the series.

Nah wind Waker probably did have the weakest dungeons in the series. I don't think any of them were bad, just not as good as some other duneons in other Zelda games.

Best story? One of the best I'd agree, although I'd give the absolute best to Majora's Mask

Art design and music? Maybe, I dunno.

#42 Posted by DarkLink77 (31697 posts) -

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] good thing there are no objective standards of measurements and you're talking out of your ass. game is incredibly well received, and no amount of BS talk about "objective measures" will change it.nameless12345

Um.. yes there is. You can judge game design on an objective standard, same way you can writing or art. You just have to separate what you like from what is good on its own merits.

But what about art that is "above criticism" ? ;)

Game design judgement is prone to subjectivity, period.

Of course you can point out some "design flaws" and such, but what is a flaw in one man's eyes is a good thing in another one's.

There simply is no "universal standard" by which games would be rated other than "let's compare this to what already exists" or "do I have fun with it".

That is a really terrible series of excuses made by people who don't understand how to objectively critique something.
#43 Posted by DarkLink77 (31697 posts) -

[QUOTE="spike6958"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] If you can enjoy lame dungeons and and even lamer fetch quest, more power to you. I can't because I actually have standards for Zelda games.DJ-Lafleur

The dungeons where better than any of the other Zelda games, and sure collecting the tri-force can be tedious, but hardly enough to ruin the game. It also has the best story, art designe and music of any game in the series. Certainly better than the over-hype Ocarina, which IMO is the worst game in the series.

Nah wind Waker probably did have the weakest dungeons in the series. I don't think any of them were bad, just not as good as some other duneons in other Zelda games.

Best story? One of the best I'd agree, although I'd give the absolute best to Majora's Mask

Art design and music? Maybe, I dunno.

I agree with this man. Finally, someone with sense.
#44 Posted by Drasonak (1509 posts) -
Yup, and only masterpieces win Game of the Year. That's why you never see any PC games take home the prize; they're too busy being ****ty and not fun.
#45 Posted by DarkLink77 (31697 posts) -
Yup, and only masterpieces win Game of the Year. That's why you never see any PC games take home the prize; they're too busy being ****ty and not fun.Drasonak
:|
#46 Posted by Razor_defiace (1618 posts) -

Yup, and only masterpieces win Game of the Year. That's why you never see any PC games take home the prize; they're too busy being ****ty and not fun.Drasonak

Lay off the shrooms dude, seriously :(

#47 Posted by nameless12345 (15125 posts) -

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Um.. yes there is. You can judge game design on an objective standard, same way you can writing or art. You just have to separate what you like from what is good on its own merits.DarkLink77

But what about art that is "above criticism" ? ;)

Game design judgement is prone to subjectivity, period.

Of course you can point out some "design flaws" and such, but what is a flaw in one man's eyes is a good thing in another one's.

There simply is no "universal standard" by which games would be rated other than "let's compare this to what already exists" or "do I have fun with it".

That is a really terrible series of excuses made by people who don't understand how to objectively critique something.

And who exactly has the authority to critique objectively?

Those who played a lot of games?

That alone doesn't make them good reviewers per-se and they are still prone to subjectivity and personal opinions.

#48 Posted by WiiCubeM1 (4728 posts) -

[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] They're not masterpieces by any objective standard of measurement. Good games? Sure. Masterpieces? Come on now.DarkLink77

Well, I haven't played Wind Waker in over 10 years, so I couldn't give you my opinion on it without it being muddled, but Skyward Sword was damn good.

Damn good.

And, just for future reference, that is coming from someone who doesn't enjoy the Zelda games very much.

Man, as soon as I say they aren't masterpieces, people assume I mean they're awful. They're both very good games. But you can't stack up Wind Waker's dungeon design next to, say Twilight Princess', for instance. They're not perfect, and if any Zelda game would heavily benefit from a remake that actually changes the design, it's WInd Waker.

No, no.

I know what you're referring to, but people seem to always assume the dungeon design was best in games like Ocarina, even though it's puzzles were matched and beaten in later games (and, personally, the best dungeon design was Majora's Mask, but it went a little far on occasion).

And, honestly, I thought you hated Twilight. I could have sworn you said that at some point in the past, but I probably just misread a quote.

#49 Posted by BrunoBRS (73263 posts) -
[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Um.. yes there is. You can judge game design on an objective standard, same way you can writing or art. You just have to separate what you like from what is good on its own merits.DarkLink77

But what about art that is "above criticism" ? ;)

Game design judgement is prone to subjectivity, period.

Of course you can point out some "design flaws" and such, but what is a flaw in one man's eyes is a good thing in another one's.

There simply is no "universal standard" by which games would be rated other than "let's compare this to what already exists" or "do I have fun with it".

That is a really terrible series of excuses made by people who don't understand how to objectively critique something.

not really. for example, you hold wind waker's mediocre dungeons to much higher ground than i do. i found them to be just a small part of the game, one that i really don't care about for better or for worse, because they weren't the reason i was playing the game to begin with. you hold the triforce quest as "objectively bad", which it isn't. you see, i see the triforce hunt as the perfect excuse to sail everywhere, charting new lands and uncovering secrets, which is the reason i love wind waker so much. so while you see it as dragging and padding, i see it as the apex of the game's concept, which is the sailing. games can not be judged objectively.
#50 Posted by rockydog1111 (2076 posts) -

WW is my favorite Zelda. It is the Zelda game that tried to be different. It wasn't OoT again. Now all Zelda games feel like OoT rehashed. Still love the series though.