Tell me lemmings............

Do you really agree with 360 review scores? Seriously? I mean, we always hear about your AAA lineup. And how it doesn't matter whether there was competition around when some of those games were reviewed. I just don't see it. Let's take a look, shall we?

PDZ: Is this game really only .5 points below Halo 3? Are you telling us that PDZ is as good as Halo 3? Its as good as Bioshock?

Oblivion: This game is .1 points better than Halo 3? .6 better than Bioshock?

Graw: This game is better than Bioshock? Its only .3 points below Halo 3?

Now, don't get it twisted. I'm not saying these games aren't good, not at all. All I'm saying is that their score is much different than what it would have been had those games come out when there was more cometition. Even competition on the same console, 360.

I can't believe anyone would actually think PDZ should be inline with Halo 3 and Bioshock. Its just insane.

its the opinion of that person reviweing the game only...

plus pdz was done on the old system.

its the opinion of that person reviweing the game only...

plus pdz was done on the old system.

daveg1

Its also the opinion of every lemmings who likes to list all of the AAA 360 titles like they're all worthy and on the same level.

PDZ done on old system? Its a 360 game, reviewed as a 360 game.

Mixed feelings really, though i do agree with halo3's score and bioshock's score. I enjoyed bioshock's SP alot more than H3's so far. But since H3 has a great MP system and BS has none......

PDZ was trash IMO and i'm not s fan of tom clancey games ( i think that they are very shallow)

so in the end, i agree with gamespot's more (recent) reviews. Mainly since the new review system has been released.

[QUOTE="daveg1"]

its the opinion of that person reviweing the game only...

plus pdz was done on the old system.

The_Crucible

Its also the opinion of every lemmings who likes to list all of the AAA 360 titles like they're all worthy and on the same level.

PDZ done on old system? Its a 360 game, reviewed as a 360 game.

Dude Gamespot used to have an old system of rating games based on .1's, and it was an average of scores. Get your facts straight before you make a post like this.

Do you really agree with 360 review scores? Seriously? I mean, we always hear about your AAA lineup. And how it doesn't matter whether there was competition around when some of those games were reviewed. I just don't see it. Let's take a look, shall we?

PDZ: Is this game really only .5 points below Halo 3? Are you telling us that PDZ is as good as Halo 3? Its as good as Bioshock?

Oblivion: This game is .1 points better than Halo 3? .6 better than Bioshock?

Graw: This game is better than Bioshock? Its only .3 points below Halo 3?

Now, don't get it twisted. I'm not saying these games aren't good, not at all. All I'm saying is that their score is much different than what it would have been had those games come out when there was more cometition. Even competition on the same console, 360.

I can't believe anyone would actually think PDZ should be inline with Halo 3 and Bioshock. Its just insane.

The_Crucible

Thatsa problem with reviews though, they are scores given at that time, PDZ would never score the same mark if it were released now, it may have been worthy of the score 2 years ago when it came out but not now.

Only way around that would be to re-review and re-rate every game every 2 or 3 months.... not really a viable option is it?

Nor can you compare the World in conflict score to Halo 3, totally different genres, its like comparing chalk to cheese.

If people/cows want to keep harping on about Bioshock being on the same level as PDZ just because of the review score they need to remember thatusing that logic PDZ is better than any PS3 game ever released.

Dude Gamespot used to have an old system of rating games based on .1's, and it was an average of scores. Get your facts straight before you make a post like this.

TheGTAvaccine

The scores are what they are.

Thatsa problem with reviews though, they are scores given at that time, PDZ would never score the same mark if it were released now, it may have been worthy of the score 2 years ago when it came out but not now.

Only way around that would be to re-review and re-rate every game every 2 or 3 months.... not really a viable option is it?

Nor can you compare the World in conflict score to Halo 3, totally different genres, its like comparing chalk to cheese.

If people/cows want to keep harping on about Bioshock being on the same level as PDZ just because of the review score they need to remember thatusing that logic PDZ is better than any PS3 game ever released.

TTDog

First, I'm not asking anyone to change their reviews.

Second, I never said Halo 3 and Bioshock didn't deserve their scores. Its the earlier reviewed games that don't. Its lemmings that group them together as equals not myself or other cows.

Third, if you really think PDZ is better than ANY PS3 game released, you need a reality check. You are the definition of "fanboy."

Yup, I agree with all of the x360's AAA-scoring games.

People may rag on PDZ, but I really enjoyed the online co-op and MP. And I thought the weapons were cool.

[QUOTE="daveg1"]

its the opinion of that person reviweing the game only...

plus pdz was done on the old system.

The_Crucible

Its also the opinion of every lemmings who likes to list all of the AAA 360 titles like they're all worthy and on the same level.

PDZ done on old system? Its a 360 game, reviewed as a 360 game.

so, will this logic apply to the ps3 AAAs aswell?

Do you really agree with 360 review scores? Seriously? I mean, we always hear about your AAA lineup. And how it doesn't matter whether there was competition around when some of those games were reviewed. I just don't see it. Let's take a look, shall we?

PDZ: Is this game really only .5 points below Halo 3? Are you telling us that PDZ is as good as Halo 3? Its as good as Bioshock?

Oblivion: This game is .1 points better than Halo 3? .6 better than Bioshock?

Graw: This game is better than Bioshock? Its only .3 points below Halo 3?

Now, don't get it twisted. I'm not saying these games aren't good, not at all. All I'm saying is that their score is much different than what it would have been had those games come out when there was more cometition. Even competition on the same console, 360.

I can't believe anyone would actually think PDZ should be inline with Halo 3 and Bioshock. Its just insane.

The_Crucible

PDZ: is 2 years old... Bioshock might aswell been 9.2 for all I know + it has bugs...yesa game with a multiplayer is most of the times better than a game without multiplayer... Im sellling bioshock and PDZ I really enjoyed the game and im still enjoying once in awhile

Oblivion: is an RPG how can you compare it to halo3 or bioshock???? and if Oblivion would be rated now it would have gotten 9.5or maybe even less after ME comes outand other way around halo3 would have gotten more than 9.5..

GRAW: once again this game is 1 and half years older than bioshock and those games cant be compared.. look atgraw 2.. sonowwho has the better score??

Yup, I agree with all of the x360's AAA-scoring games.

People may rag on PDZ, but I really enjoyed the online co-op and MP. And I thought the weapons were cool.

LosDaddie

I loved it too. I liked trying to improve my stats for a level and Guided rockets only MP games.

Time Plays a BIG roleFruity_mixer

By his reckoning NGB 9.4 is a better game than NGS 9.0, would any Cows like to confirm this?

[QUOTE="Fruity_mixer"]Time Plays a BIG roleSgtWhiskeyjack

By his reckoning NGB 9.4 is a better game than NGS 9.0, would any Cows like to confirm this?

[QUOTE="SgtWhiskeyjack"]

[QUOTE="Fruity_mixer"]Time Plays a BIG roleSecretPolice

By his reckoning NGB 9.4 is a better game than NGS 9.0, would any Cows like to confirm this?

It very well may be better. I have no clue. Or maybe, if you read my post, you'd see that ALL early 360 games are overrated. So, that 9.4 shouldn't be a 9.4, genius.

You lems loive twisting words, don't you?

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="SgtWhiskeyjack"]

[QUOTE="Fruity_mixer"]Time Plays a BIG roleThe_Crucible

By his reckoning NGB 9.4 is a better game than NGS 9.0, would any Cows like to confirm this?

It very well may be better. I have no clue. Or maybe, if you read my post, you'd see that ALL early 360 games are overrated. So, that 9.4 shouldn't be a 9.4, genius.

You lems loive twisting words, don't you?

You cows are just hating life after Halo3 got AAA, aren't you?

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="SgtWhiskeyjack"]

[QUOTE="Fruity_mixer"]Time Plays a BIG roleThe_Crucible

By his reckoning NGB 9.4 is a better game than NGS 9.0, would any Cows like to confirm this?

It very well may be better. I have no clue. Or maybe, if you read my post, you'd see that ALL early 360 games are overrated. So, that 9.4 shouldn't be a 9.4, genius.

You lems loive twisting words, don't you?

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="SgtWhiskeyjack"]

[QUOTE="Fruity_mixer"]Time Plays a BIG roleLosDaddie

By his reckoning NGB 9.4 is a better game than NGS 9.0, would any Cows like to confirm this?

It very well may be better. I have no clue. Or maybe, if you read my post, you'd see that ALL early 360 games are overrated. So, that 9.4 shouldn't be a 9.4, genius.

You lems loive twisting words, don't you?

You cows are just hating life after Halo3 got AAA, aren't you?

They should stop hating and all these "I'm really jealous" threads and start saving. If I didn't already have a 360, I'd be saving like mad to play all the awesome games it's getting. If Mass Effect lives upto its hype and gets a 9.5, then :o what could be a gamers reason for not buying one.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="SgtWhiskeyjack"]

[QUOTE="Fruity_mixer"]Time Plays a BIG roleLosDaddie

By his reckoning NGB 9.4 is a better game than NGS 9.0, would any Cows like to confirm this?

It very well may be better. I have no clue. Or maybe, if you read my post, you'd see that ALL early 360 games are overrated. So, that 9.4 shouldn't be a 9.4, genius.

You lems loive twisting words, don't you?

You cows are just hating life after Halo3 got AAA, aren't you?

Listen, I'm not complaining about Halo 3's score. If its worthy, its worthy. I sure as heck think the score is a lot more real now than it would have been in 2005. It actually has some good competition to compare to. The game has met its hype, good for Halo.

I wrote this thread because of lemminsg blindly listing AAA titles like their all equal. Plain and simple.

I'm not denying 360 has more games. I'm not denying 360 has more "good" games. All I'm arguing is that PDZ doesn't equal the other games in its score range. Nor do the other titles I listed. Bioshock, GeOW, and Halo 3 are very good games, no doubt.

I think that the reviewers have been unfairly tough on the 360 yes. Dead Rising, CoD2 and GHIIwere cracking games and should have been AAA.

On the other hand games like Warhawk, while fun has no single player, or button mashing god of war and heavenly swordwere gone far far to lightly on and should have scored much less.

Gamespot is far to easy on Sony games

Listen, I'm not complaining about Halo 3's score. If its worthy, its worthy. I sure as heck think the score is a lot more real now than it would have been in 2005. It actually has some good competition to compare to. The game has met its hype, good for Halo.

I wrote this thread because of lemminsg blindly listing AAA titles like their all equal. Plain and simple.

I'm not denying 360 has more games. I'm not denying 360 has more "good" games. All I'm arguing is that PDZ doesn't equal the other games in its score range. Nor do the other titles I listed. Bioshock, GeOW, and Halo 3 are very good games, no doubt.

The_Crucible

Translation:

Listen, I'm not complaining about Halo 3's score. If its worthy, its worthy. I sure as heck think the score is a lot more real now than it would have been in 2005. It actually has some good competition to compare to. The game has met its hype, good for Halo.

I wrote this thread because of lemminsg blindly listing AAA titles like their all equal. Plain and simple.

I'm not denying 360 has more games. I'm not denying 360 has more "good" games. All I'm arguing is that PDZ doesn't equal the other games in its score range. Nor do the other titles I listed. Bioshock, GeOW, and Halo 3 are very good games, no doubt.

The_Crucible

So, your main gripe is PDZ. You know, the same thing would happen if a PS3 game got AAA that was really questionable. Of course people are going to use it as a AAAE. Why wouldn't they? It's system wars on GS, take it as a grain of salt...

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

Listen, I'm not complaining about Halo 3's score. If its worthy, its worthy. I sure as heck think the score is a lot more real now than it would have been in 2005. It actually has some good competition to compare to. The game has met its hype, good for Halo.

I wrote this thread because of lemminsg blindly listing AAA titles like their all equal. Plain and simple.

I'm not denying 360 has more games. I'm not denying 360 has more "good" games. All I'm arguing is that PDZ doesn't equal the other games in its score range. Nor do the other titles I listed. Bioshock, GeOW, and Halo 3 are very good games, no doubt.

LosDaddie

Translation:

Your picture is absent, just like your ability to come up with intelligent rebuttals.

Do you really agree with 360 review scores? Seriously? I mean, we always hear about your AAA lineup. And how it doesn't matter whether there was competition around when some of those games were reviewed. I just don't see it. Let's take a look, shall we?

PDZ: Is this game really only .5 points below Halo 3? Are you telling us that PDZ is as good as Halo 3? Its as good as Bioshock?

Oblivion: This game is .1 points better than Halo 3? .6 better than Bioshock?

Graw: This game is better than Bioshock? Its only .3 points below Halo 3?

Now, don't get it twisted. I'm not saying these games aren't good, not at all. All I'm saying is that their score is much different than what it would have been had those games come out when there was more cometition. Even competition on the same console, 360.

I can't believe anyone would actually think PDZ should be inline with Halo 3 and Bioshock. Its just insane.

The_Crucible

GRAW, Halo 3 and Gears of War deffinitley deserve what they got, PDZ and Oblivion should have scored lower.....Maximum Oblivion should have got is 9.0 and Maximum PDZ should have got is 8.5

GRAW, Halo 3 and Gears of War deffinitley deserve what they got, PDZ and Oblivion should have scored lower.....Maximum Oblivion should have got is 9.0 and Maximum PDZ should have got is 8.5

mingo123

Thank you for your honesty. Now, if only more lems were like you.

Listen, I'm not complaining about Halo 3's score. If its worthy, its worthy. I sure as heck think the score is a lot more real now than it would have been in 2005. It actually has some good competition to compare to. The game has met its hype, good for Halo.

I wrote this thread because of lemminsg blindly listing AAA titles like their all equal. Plain and simple.

I'm not denying 360 has more games. I'm not denying 360 has more "good" games. All I'm arguing is that PDZ doesn't equal the other games in its score range. Nor do the other titles I listed. Bioshock, GeOW, and Halo 3 are very good games, no doubt.

The_Crucible

PDZ sucks!

Now, are you satisfied? Feeling a bit better about how things are going for the PS3?

If not make me up a list of the rest of the 360 titles that you want me to say suck and I'll try to get back and diss them for you.

No need to thank me, thats just the kind of guy I am.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

Listen, I'm not complaining about Halo 3's score. If its worthy, its worthy. I sure as heck think the score is a lot more real now than it would have been in 2005. It actually has some good competition to compare to. The game has met its hype, good for Halo.

I wrote this thread because of lemminsg blindly listing AAA titles like their all equal. Plain and simple.

I'm not denying 360 has more games. I'm not denying 360 has more "good" games. All I'm arguing is that PDZ doesn't equal the other games in its score range. Nor do the other titles I listed. Bioshock, GeOW, and Halo 3 are very good games, no doubt.

Riverwolf007

PDZ sucks!

Now, are you satisfied? Feeling a bit better about how things are going for the PS3?

If not make me up a list of the rest of the 360 titles that you want me to say suck and I'll try to get back and diss them for you.

No need to thank me, thats just the kind of guy I am.

All be satisfied when all lemmings stop using a blind list of all AAA's for 360 when entering any debate. Its used as ammo waaaaaay too often. And then you have to stop the conversation to get that ignorance to shut up. Its annoying as hell.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

Listen, I'm not complaining about Halo 3's score. If its worthy, its worthy. I sure as heck think the score is a lot more real now than it would have been in 2005. It actually has some good competition to compare to. The game has met its hype, good for Halo.

I wrote this thread because of lemminsg blindly listing AAA titles like their all equal. Plain and simple.

I'm not denying 360 has more games. I'm not denying 360 has more "good" games. All I'm arguing is that PDZ doesn't equal the other games in its score range. Nor do the other titles I listed. Bioshock, GeOW, and Halo 3 are very good games, no doubt.

The_Crucible

Translation:

Your picture is absent, just like your ability to come up with intelligent rebuttals.

That picture perfectly depicts your reasoning behind this thread.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

Listen, I'm not complaining about Halo 3's score. If its worthy, its worthy. I sure as heck think the score is a lot more real now than it would have been in 2005. It actually has some good competition to compare to. The game has met its hype, good for Halo.

I wrote this thread because of lemminsg blindly listing AAA titles like their all equal. Plain and simple.

I'm not denying 360 has more games. I'm not denying 360 has more "good" games. All I'm arguing is that PDZ doesn't equal the other games in its score range. Nor do the other titles I listed. Bioshock, GeOW, and Halo 3 are very good games, no doubt.

Riverwolf007

PDZ sucks!

Now, are you satisfied? Feeling a bit better about how things are going for the PS3?

If not make me up a list of the rest of the 360 titles that you want me to say suck and I'll try to get back and diss them for you.

No need to thank me, thats just the kind of guy I am.

PDZ0 multiplayer >>> GeOW multiplayer. yes i am insane. but for release game it deserved a 9.

every triple AAA game deserves its score, and this thread should be locked cause you didn't read the stickies, OBVIOUSLY you didn't or else you'd know that the rating system just changed and that scores become harder to achieve as the industry gets more advanced

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25882132

that link, /thread

[QUOTE="daveg1"]

its the opinion of that person reviweing the game only...

plus pdz was done on the old system.

The_Crucible

Its also the opinion of every lemmings who likes to list all of the AAA 360 titles like they're all worthy and on the same level.

PDZ done on old system? Its a 360 game, reviewed as a 360 game.

PDZ was before Gears, Bioshock, and Halo3. Great games raise the bar. At it's time, PDZ could have very well deserved the score. If PDZ were released on the PS3, it would probably get a good score because the PS3's library is so weak that it would stand out.

if pds came out now it will probaly get a 7.

It's truly unreal that you cant get it in you're head that PDZ was avail. reviewed & played Nov. 2005 !

One full year before you're precious PS3 was even launched !!

What is so hard to understand - You think RFOM would score the same if launched today ? Cmon - enough already !

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

Listen, I'm not complaining about Halo 3's score. If its worthy, its worthy. I sure as heck think the score is a lot more real now than it would have been in 2005. It actually has some good competition to compare to. The game has met its hype, good for Halo.

I wrote this thread because of lemminsg blindly listing AAA titles like their all equal. Plain and simple.

I'm not denying 360 has more games. I'm not denying 360 has more "good" games. All I'm arguing is that PDZ doesn't equal the other games in its score range. Nor do the other titles I listed. Bioshock, GeOW, and Halo 3 are very good games, no doubt.

The_Crucible

PDZ sucks!

Now, are you satisfied? Feeling a bit better about how things are going for the PS3?

If not make me up a list of the rest of the 360 titles that you want me to say suck and I'll try to get back and diss them for you.

No need to thank me, thats just the kind of guy I am.

All be satisfied when all lemmings stop using a blind list of all AAA's for 360 when entering any debate. Its used as ammo waaaaaay too often. And then you have to stop the conversation to get that ignorance to shut up. Its annoying as hell.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

Listen, I'm not complaining about Halo 3's score. If its worthy, its worthy. I sure as heck think the score is a lot more real now than it would have been in 2005. It actually has some good competition to compare to. The game has met its hype, good for Halo.

I wrote this thread because of lemminsg blindly listing AAA titles like their all equal. Plain and simple.

I'm not denying 360 has more games. I'm not denying 360 has more "good" games. All I'm arguing is that PDZ doesn't equal the other games in its score range. Nor do the other titles I listed. Bioshock, GeOW, and Halo 3 are very good games, no doubt.

Teh_Bob

PDZ sucks!

Now, are you satisfied? Feeling a bit better about how things are going for the PS3?

If not make me up a list of the rest of the 360 titles that you want me to say suck and I'll try to get back and diss them for you.

No need to thank me, thats just the kind of guy I am.

All be satisfied when all lemmings stop using a blind list of all AAA's for 360 when entering any debate. Its used as ammo waaaaaay too often. And then you have to stop the conversation to get that ignorance to shut up. Its annoying as hell.

QFT!!:D

Halo3 earning AAA was like a punch in the gut for cows. Now all they have left is bringing up old scores.

:lol: I love it!

Do you really agree with 360 review scores? Seriously? I mean, we always hear about your AAA lineup. And how it doesn't matter whether there was competition around when some of those games were reviewed. I just don't see it. Let's take a look, shall we?

PDZ: Is this game really only .5 points below Halo 3? Are you telling us that PDZ is as good as Halo 3? Its as good as Bioshock?

Oblivion: This game is .1 points better than Halo 3? .6 better than Bioshock?

Graw: This game is better than Bioshock? Its only .3 points below Halo 3?

Now, don't get it twisted. I'm not saying these games aren't good, not at all. All I'm saying is that their score is much different than what it would have been had those games come out when there was more cometition. Even competition on the same console, 360.

I can't believe anyone would actually think PDZ should be inline with Halo 3 and Bioshock. Its just insane.

The_Crucible

Most lemmings will admit that PDZ doesnt deserve 9.0 & that Bioshock should have gotten more than 9.0. But apart from that everything is ok.

PDO did NOT deserve AAA. not then, not now. however COD2 and FNR3 were underrated and did deserve AAA imo.

i mean, i gave my friend who just got a 360 my copy of FNR3 (i had played it so much that I wore out a thumbstick on my control pad) and I don't think there's been a free minute gone by that he hasn't been playing that game.

THETRUEDOZAH

i dont know about FNR3 im not sports game fan- but i agree with you 100% on COD2- man that game is totally underrated it deserved ATLEAST a 9.0. yeah i know at launch it had issues with lag in multiplayer but once it was fixed it was seriously the best Xbox Live game at the time. it still is an excellent game. it did get some bad press for only 8players online which was lower than the PC version but it made the game more tactical & really multiplayer was sublime. it was the most popular xbox360 online game for a whole year- second only to Halo2 overall- & only when newer games like GoW came out did it start to lower the amount of players- which incidently is still high- its still ranked 6th or 7th in the top 10 list. btw i forgot to mention its single player which is far better than PDZ.

If one X360 game that didnt get AAA that should have its COD2 without a doubt!