Square knows you hate them

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]its not like other people haven't come in and shown that a great rpg could be made on an HD console. Just look at lost odyssey or white knight chronicles.savagetwinkie

I remeber after playing lost oddyssey getting so psyched for FFXIII, because i reasoned if they can make a JRPG like this in 2 years imagine what Square will do with FFXIII.... Now I can't beleive I would actually recommend LO over FFXIII to someone ..thats just insane

we got reasons for our hate, they dun goof'd up this gen and for giving the PS3 the cold shoulder

J-WOW

[QUOTE="J-WOW"]

we got reasons for our hate, they dun goof'd up this gen and for giving the PS3 the cold shoulder

crippled_ram

FF series have been crap since Sakaguchi & co. left for Mistwalker. FF12 had a lot of potential but was a major disappointment (bland characters, 90% dungeon drudgery, 10% uninteresting/underwhelming story). Crisis Core's only good parts were the during the revisiting of Nibelheim and even then they can't claim it as their own since Sakaguchi was responsible for that during FF7. Angeal having the Buster sword was lame as hell and don't get me started on Sephiroth wannabe (literally and figuratively) Genesis with lame and bland genesis copy enemies who eat hair lol.

It seems they are bankrupt creatively and while FFv13 looks nice, after the mass disappointment from FF13 I will definitely wait for it at the bargain bin. They really should just remake the ****c FFs (Starting with FF6), since clearly they have no more magic in their games and just know how to pad their games with repetitive and boring sidequests (Crisis Core/FF12).

SE is OK on handhelds so I'm not worried about the 3rd birthday or Agito but they are sucking a lot lately on Home consoles so i'm worried about their home consoles projects.

Kashiwaba

Alot? All I can recall is ff13 and imo that was good. Besides that I dont remember any other home console games. All iv seen from them is handheld stuff.

It's funny really. FFXII and FFXIII are probably two of the most different FF titles there are (Other than the MMORPG FFs), and both just so happen to be the most hated main FF titles there are...

Actually I liked their PSP games but didn't like most of their games on pretty much every other platform this gen :S

Hmmm, I also can't help but wonder if Square even means what they are saying and aren't just trying to suck up to all the haters by saying they have been doing badly.

That's almost what it feels like to me.

Square would have been a better developer if they stuck closer to Sony.

Square would have been a better developer if they stuck closer to Sony.

argetlam00

The only game from them this generation that I've had any desire to play was The World Ends With You, which was actually fantastic. Everything else I just passed over because it didn't look that good to me.

A lot of their talent landed in Mistwalker. I'm playing Lost Odyssey right now and loving it.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="RandomWinner"]

I hate them because they take a great game, like KH, make a sequel with an unnecessary plot, then make 30 spin offs rather than making an actual SEQUEL!!! I hate square, if they went bankrupt and had to pass up all their franchises to other developers I'd probably throw a parade.

RandomWinner

What KH game doesn't have an unnecessary plot?

Everything after the first. The first was great, but can anybody say that they cared about Roxas at all and were happy with the start? I got over played the game, and enjoyed it. Then I started waiting for a sequel on the PS3 (or 360) but they won't deliver. I wish that 1. They kept it simple and 2. They'd at least announce KH3 before GT5 came out. It's milking at its finest.

Other than DQX, I don't care about any of their console games now. Their handheld efforts are good though. TWEWY is still one of my favorite games this gen. I still need to pick up DQIX. Agito, 3rd Birthday and Tactics Ogre look awesome too.

Still can't get over the fact that somebody at Square thought it was a good idea to make a sequel for FFX but not VII. And that it should have a Charlie's Angels theme. And that no one did anything to stop them. Square should just go away, IMO.

It's funny really. FFXII and FFXIII are probably two of the most different FF titles there are (Other than the MMORPG FFs), and both just so happen to be the most hated main FF titles there are...

DJ-Lafleur

Its impossible to please everyone in the fanbase. Some are going to complain. Hell eveniv done it some time or another.I actually like and enjoyed both 12 and 13.

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

Square would have been a better developer if they stuck closer to Sony.

jasonharris48

Magic sony wizard duh:P

i will still buy squeenix games...well as long as they are publishing stuff like just cause 2 and not any of the games they are famous for making popular then running into the ground.

we got reasons for our hate, they dun goof'd up this gen and for giving the PS3 the cold shoulder

J-WOW

we got reasons for our hate, they dun goof'd up this gen and for giving the PS3 the cold shoulder

[QUOTE="J-WOW"]

we got reasons for our hate, they dun goof'd up this gen and for giving the PS3 the cold shoulder

Phazevariance

Imagine how I felt in the 90s when Square anounced they were putting FF7 on the PS1 instead of the N64. :o

Haters gonna hate.

I don't really understand the hate, but ok.

[QUOTE="Phazevariance"][QUOTE="J-WOW"]

we got reasons for our hate, they dun goof'd up this gen and for giving the PS3 the cold shoulder

Imagine how I felt in the 90s when Square anounced they were putting FF7 on the PS1 instead of the N64. :o

If they truly acknowledged the hate they would do something about it. I'm just not seeing any results at all.

[QUOTE="NEStorianPriest"]

[QUOTE="Phazevariance"] How did they give Sony the ocld shoulder? As far as I know, all their games are available on the PS3 too.Phazevariance

Imagine how I felt in the 90s when Square anounced they were putting FF7 on the PS1 instead of the N64. :o

Yeah. Wonder how many people were trying to decide wether they wanted a console that could play Demon Souls or Mass-Effect 2, only to learn after they bought a 360 they could've with a PS3 if they had just waited.

Now you just expect that the industry will find a way to stick it to you. :|

If Square would justget to work onKingdom Hearts 3, I would hate them less.

I don't know if I care anymore.

The only new game I've enjoyed from them this generation are Crisis core and The World Ends With You.

I've been waiting years for the real KH3 and vs13 are slowly getting into vaporware territory.

what games again did they make for pS3 this gen? FF13 only :lol: then it went Multiplat....(might have affected the quality) Good Job! /sarcasm :xRatchet_Fan8

Well they did also publish Star Ocean 4.

I wouldnt say I hate square. I would say im Disappointed. I mean....Huge Delays on games. KH3(Not announced) FFV13, FF Agito. I can't hate square enix.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

Well, Square said that they didn't feel that they could "create an open world game like western developers and still tell a story," but I don't think they referenced this afterwards. I know they said something, but I don't think it was this.

Which was a misinterpretation of western expectations to some degree. They're just generally very confused about the whole linearity thing.

hakanakumono

I don't think fans really know what they want.

Many fans talk about "linearity," when in reality they mean "diversity of/and optional content." Moreover, fans complained about the nonlinearity of FFXII. A lot. More than that, FFXIII was originally less linear but was changed to be more linear so "it would be less confusing," which probably suggests that focus groups originally complained about more complicated areas in the game like the areas where Lightning makes reference to more complicated map designs that are now completely linear.

Playing FFXIII and FFX back to back and comparing actual map design, the dungeon design is very similar, but FFXIII is actually often more open than FFX and offers more to explore on the sides and more optional routes. I don't think it's the actual linearity of these dungeons that bothers people so much as how obvious it is. FFX was split into multiple maps and utilized set camera angles that masked the linearity and element of "moving forward." They were also much smaller so the length of the main path didn't make it as obvious how prominent it was. Perception is everything (yet I do think FFX is a less linear game in a broader sense).

How do world maps make a game better or worse?

I don't think FFXIII "sucks," especially not based on the idea that it's not designed exactly like previous FF games which were flawed in their own right. FFXIII offers what is probably the best battle system in the series, and passable design as a game. Yet the lack of diversity in content, the poor pacing and use of resources, as well as the failure to tell and communicate a decent story bring it down.

[QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]

SE is OK on handhelds so I'm not worried about the 3rd birthday or Agito but they are sucking a lot lately on Home consoles so i'm worried about their home consoles projects.

finalfantasy94

Alot? All I can recall is ff13 and imo that was good. Besides that I dont remember any other home console games. All iv seen from them is handheld stuff.

FF13 was a good game but it didn't feel like playing a JRPG, Star ocean 4 an OK game, Front mission evolved sucked hard, Nier (I enjoyed it especially the music) but overall it was an average game, Infinite undiscovery below average and The last remnant was good but also bad.

i hate square-enix for ff 13 and 14, but they get a pass for kh: bbs

I started hating square when they started making crap rpg's. They know the're crap.

Shin Megami Tensei is where it's all at now. I've moved on, eff you square.