Remember the PS3 was more "powerful" then the 360...

When the PS3 dropped in 2006 it was a more powerful console then the 360 was and these forums looked exactly the same..

Teh playstation secret sauce for the win.. Now it has been a better start this time around for the playstation brand and I do enjoy my PS4, although it's kind of just sitting under my TV right now not being used. I had some fun with KZ and NBA but now whats left is just kind of meh.

I'm picking up my X1 friday and I'm pretty damn excited about Ryse and Dead Rising 3..

Anyway we've heard this song and dance before, I realize dev's don't have to work with the cell this time around and that's going to help.. but with some of the reviews already coming in and X1 games scoring higher I can't help but worry history is repeating it's self.. The PS4 will be worth it, but not for a few years down the road, where I'll get regular use out of the Xbox from day one.

Any dual console owners worried about their investment in the PS4 not paying off?

Dreamcast lineup>>>>>all other consoles.

Yeah, it was. And it continued to make great exclusives after 2011.

And this time around PS4 has PC architecture and Sony talked to developers to make sure it was much easier to work with.

For sure, but it took forever for those good exclusives to come out and make the PS3 worth it.. I guess it'll take a year or so to really see if it was worth it buying the PS4 so early but it already seems like a bit of a mistake.

I'm pretty sure that the PS360 were roughly the same in power and any difference wasn't worth arguing over. It wasn't the 50% greater difference the PS4 has over the Xbone. 360 had a much stronger GPU and a weaker CPU. PS3 had a much stronger CPU and a weaker GPU. PS3 had more RAM (according to cows this means it's more powerful right?). At the end of the day the results were the same or close enough that it only mattered on places like here.

I think that since the PS4 is meaningfully more powerful than the Xbone and since they have similar archectecture, that if they aren't handcuffed with stupid requirements like 1080p at 60fps that PS4 games can look substantially better than xbone games.

Not at all. The Ps4 is looking to be one of the best consoles to date with a reasonable price, great specs, and a solid first party developer backing.

Ninja Troll I smell, get lost clown.

he's buying Xbox One to play Ryse, rofl.

for dead rising just get x360 for cheap, lol.

Hmm? PS3 was indeed more powerful than 360. And by the end of the gen even multiplats like GTA5, Tomb Raider, Bioshock Infinite, etc looked better on PS3. As far as exclusives go PS3 kidnaped and abused 360. Took it to an abandoned shack and burned it with cigarette butts etc:

Here, have some abuse:

So as you can see all of these game are in 720P which is the same resolution that XBone is running Call of Duty.

PS4 runs games in 1080P. That means that the difference of resolution between PS4 and Xbone games is higher than the entirety of xbone games resolution. Or if you have a problem understanding first grade math let's put it this way: PS4 is a generation ahead of Xbone 720. Thanks.

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The PS4's GPU is significantly more powerful than the Xbox One's.

I will just leave this here.

I'm not touching the new set of consoles for a long ass time because my current systems suit me just fine. With that said, I see the PS4 as the best investment because when the PS3 development loses steam, Japanese developers are either going to go to handhelds (which is where a lot of the market over there is) or to the Sony system that is more geared towards them since Microsoft doesn't seem like they give a **** about that demographic. Then you have the first party which ranges from really good (God of War before 3, Infamous 1 and 2, Little Big Planet 1 and 2) to really bad (God of War 3, Uncharted trilogy, Killzone trilogy, and Resistance Trilogy), so there are bound to be some winners there depending on taste since there is a little bit of everything compared to Microsoft which is really heavy in a couple of genres and weak in others.

@killzowned24 said:

I will just leave this here.

But OP is going to say: "All those PS4 games fails and are boring. Only Xbox One games are good and better."

http://www.ign.com/games/reviews?platformSlug=ps4

According to IGN, PS4 has a GRAND TOTAL of 5 AAAs, 6 AAs, 2 As and a couple crappers (Knack & NBA Live)

Not too bad for a Launch with 1 million consoles sold in 24 hours to go with it.

2014 will be an AWESOME year for the PS4!

but it was....360 didnt have any games that came close to the looks of killzone 2-3 uncharted 2-3 god of war 3 the last of us beyond 2 souls

@killzowned24 said:

I will just leave this here.

Oh wow, looks like lemmings will be using Xbox one as a Media center next year, while us cows being gaming now and repeating thatall year, next year.

I love cow DC

The PS3 and 360 had vastly different architectures making a direct comparison of technical specifications useless.

The Xbox One and the PS4 share practically the same architectures made by the same company (AMD). The fact is that the PS4 has better ram, a more efficient design for the RAM, and a straight up bigger and better GPU. These are facts. The PS4 is more powerful, this can't even be argued this time around.

The multiplats prove it. Nearly every single multiplat is running at a higher resolution than the Xbox One version.

NVIDIA RSX has gimped 32bit floating point performance....

PS4 is slightly faster since it has 18 CUs at 800Mhz when compared to X1's 12 CUs at 853Mhz and both consoles are based on AMD's GCN architecture.

While I think the Xbox one will do just fine I'm more interested in the PlayStation 4 for now. It's cheaper, more powerful, more innovative controller, and I know in time it will have the games I want from both east and west. The difference this gen is much bigger than it was last gen in terms of performance.

X360 gpu - 240 gflops unified 512mb ram

Ps3 - gpu 178 gflops 512mb split pool

Xone gpu - 1200 gflops 8gb ddr3

PS4 gpu - 1840 gflops 8gb gddr5

More than a 600gflop difference is big not to mention superior memory solution.

@Bishop1310:

Yea,and it was the better console.

And PS4 is WAY more powerful than Xbone and again will be the better console.

PS3's SPEs acts like it's compute shader units.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=57736&page=5

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Yea transparencies are all about bandwidth right?He also mentioned that people forget that while you have 6 spus not only do you have to do geometry on them(since RSX has problems with it) but along all that post processing you have to dedicate some spus for that 3ppus and 3 VMX128 units from 360 for general code.On top of that there is long list of alot of minuses on RSX side when compared to xenos.Here is what he said...

"I could go on for pages listing the types of things the spu's are used for to make up for the machines aging gpu, which may be 7 series NVidia but that's basically a tweaked 6 series NVidia for the most part. But I'll just type a few off the top of my head:"

1) Two ppu/vmx units There are three ppu/vmx units on the 360, and just one on the PS3. So any load on the 360's remaining two ppu/vmx units must be moved to spu.

2) Vertex culling You can look back a few years at my first post talking about this, but it's common knowledge now that you need to move as much vertex load as possible to spu otherwise it won't keep pace with the 360.

3) Vertex texture sampling You can texture sample in vertex shaders on 360 just fine, but it's unusably slow on PS3. Most multi platform games simply won't use this feature on 360 to make keeping parity easier, but if a dev does make use of it then you will have no choice but to move all such functionality to spu.

4) Shader patching Changing variables in shader programs is cake on the 360. Not so on the PS3 because they are embedded into the shader programs. So you have to use spu's to patch your shader programs.

5) Branching You never want a lot of branching in general, but when you do really need it the 360 handles it fine, PS3 does not. If you are stuck needing branching in shaders then you will want to move all such functionality to spu.

6) Shader inputs You can pass plenty of inputs to shaders on 360, but do it on PS3 and your game will grind to a halt. You will want to move all such functionality to spu to minimize the amount of inputs needed on the shader programs.

7) Msaa alternatives Msaa runs full speed on 360 gpu needing just cpu tiling calculations. Msaa on PS3 gpu is very slow. You will want to move msaa to spu as soon as you can.

Post processing 360 is unified architecture meaning post process steps can often be slotted into gpu idle time. This is not as easily doable on PS3, so you will want to move as much post process to spu as possible.

9) Load balancing 360 gpu load balances itself just fine since it's unified. If the load on a given frame shifts to heavy vertex or heavy pixel load then you don't care. Not so on PS3 where such load shifts will cause frame drops. You will want to shift as much load as possible to spu to minimize your peak load on the gpu.

10) Half floats You can use full floats just fine on the 360 gpu. On the PS3 gpu they cause performance slowdowns. If you really need/have to use shaders with many full floats then you will want to move such functionality over to the spu's.

11) Shader array indexing You can index into arrays in shaders on the 360 gpu no problem. You can't do that on PS3. If you absolutely need this functionality then you will have to either rework your shaders or move it all to spu.

Etc, etc, etc...

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With PS3 vs Xbox 360, you can't compare it by direct CPU vs CPU and GPU vs GPU.

If you know anything about hardware you would know that the PS3 was a disaster to program for. The PS4's GPU is 40% more powerful then the X1's. Once studios like Santa Monica and Naughty Dog start with their magic it will be game over for X1...game over, man...that and the multiplats will be better on PS4...

Not the same situation at all, for many many reasons.

How about people start playing whatever system it is they like regardless of what another person says?

You'd swear people are comparing an Atari 2600 to a Genesis.

Truer words were never spoken....

So what? The Saturn was harder to program than the PS....but I love my Saturn.

Truer words were never spoken....

On paper, the PS3 is more powerful. Engine structure and programming practices make all the difference. Just play whatever system has the games you want.

Xbox games scoring higher the best looking game scored 4 just now...hahahaha

Also it already payed off Ghost 720p 60 FPS on xbox one,Ghost 1080p 70 FPS on PS4...Yeah is not an error i say 70 FPS...hahaha

The ps3 did not have more ram it had the same 512mb the 360 had. If anythin the ram in the 360 was better cause it was a unified pool of 512mb rather than 2 seperate pools of 256mb like the ps3.

720peasant race lol

360 was the best console of Gen7

1. I'm sorry

2. Games don't need arbitrary numbers to have fun with them

3. No