PS3's hardware superiority makes PSN better than Xbox LIVE

A while back there is a study about wines. They let tasters rate wines based on prices. What came out of the experiment was that tasters rated expensive wines better than cheaper ones even though the wines are exactly the same. It is human nature to assume that if it costs more, it's got to be better. So when it comes to LIVE, people often say you get what you pay for. But do you really get what you pay for? In my opinion, you absolutely do not.

You see, when you pay for a service, you expect premium experience--better communication, more impressive games, more variety, less lag, etc. Unfortunately, because LIVE is based on Xbox 360's inferior hardware, it is impossible for LIVE to provide a more premium service than PSN.

Xbox 360 lacks cell processor, Blu-ray, motion control, and standard hard disk drives. The PS3 has all of them. As a result, only on PSN can you get:

1) Better graphics. This is a very big one. When you play a game, you are constantly looking at the TV screen. The better the graphics, the better the immersion. The better you feel like you are getting your money's worth. Without a doubt, the PS3 has better graphics. Just compare Halo 3's Mythic Map Pack Trailer HD with Killzone 2's Vekta Cruiser Gameplay HD andKillzone 2's Wasteland Bullet Gameplay HD. Killzone 2 makes Halo 3 look pathetic in this day and age.

2) Better sounds. You can say PSN has better sounds because its can produce 7.1 lossless audio, something that most gamers can't take advantaged of. The point is, PSN has better sounds overall. Should gamers want the experience the best sounds possible, they can only get it on PSN, not LIVE.

3) Larger multiplayer battles. To maintain graphical and aural integrity, the more players participate in a game, the more the processor has to work. PSN's cell is so much better than Xbox 360's processor that only on PSN can you play 32-player battles with Killzone 2's graphics, 60 players with Resistance 2's graphics, and 256 players with Mag's graphics. Larger battles mean more intense and more realistic battles.

4) Larger downloadable games. Because the PS3 has a large standard hard-disk drive, PSN allow players to download bigger games--Warhawk, Siren, GT5 Prolgoue, etc.

5) Best user generated contents/More contents overall. This is where Blu-ray disk comes in handy. LittleBigPlanet, the highest rated HD exclusve, has many, many graphical and audio contents for gamers to use to create and share games. Blu-ray also comes in handy for when developers decide to add a lot of large number of maps, cars, etc. for multiplayer gaming without having to download anything.

6) Zen gaming. This is a genre single-handedly created by Flower, the most popular game on PSN last month. Only on PSN, can you get a game that can produce the most realistic meadows because the cell processor can render grass oh so beautifully. Flower also uses motion control, making it very intuitive to play the game. The combination of graphics, control, and sounds make Flower the most soothing, relaxing, and artistic game ever created.

7) More immersive gaming. This is very, very important. When you play a game, you want to feel lost in the game world. Nothing sucks you in like the game's atmosphere. And the game's atmosphere is dependent on graphics, sounds, animation, physics, AI, number of enemies, etc.--all dependent on hardware capability. No modern game is better at creating immersion than Killzone 2.

8 ) Less Lag. We all know that PSN's big games all use dedicated serves. So games are more fair and more fun to play. With PSN you don't have to feel like you are losing a game because your opponent has a host advantage.

9)More Variety. PSN offers more "unique" gaming experiences than LIVE. LittleBigPlanet, FLower, Eye of Judgement, Warhawk, etc. are all very unique gaming epxeriences. You can't find similar experiences on LIVE.

10)Fear-free gaming. This has to do with hard-ware reliabilty. Millions of Xbox 360 fans have now experienced RROD and/or E-74. With marathon mulitplayer gaming sessions, PSN gamers don't have to worry if their console is dying on them. The same can't be said for Xbox 360 owners.

11 & 12) HOME and Web browsing (just added on 4-20-09). These might not be related to hardware, though they are very major advantages for PSN.

I challenge anyone to make a convincing case for LIVE, in light of the PSN advantages I listed above.

Ladies and gentlemen, it's time to ask when will LIVE catch up to PSN? Is it even possible? Because Xbox 360's hardware is inferior to the PS3's, LIVE is limited by hardware. It's unbelievable how Microsoft can charge for service based on inferior hardware. Unbelievable. PSN is better. And PSN is free. Unbelievable indeed.

300 post thread am confirmed.

Please post proof for all your points.

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26844267&tag=topics;title

As if this one wasn't enough. This new thread of yours will surely meet the same fate.

If somebody is really THAT interested about each console's power, you really should check this:

http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=1

What superiority? :|

If somebody is really THAT interested about each console's power, you really should check this:

http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=1

IronBass

I dont have an xbox360 and i never will but i did try it out with one of my friends xbox just to see why people like it and why it is a payed service and to say the truth i noticed that its exactly the same with some small difffrences but what bugs me is why do u have to pay for updates and playing online while its free on PSN.. anyways im proud to say that i think ps3 is really worth its price + all the great games on it, a while ago i was thinking about buying a 360 2 months ago but when i did some calculations i found out that it going to be even more expensive than the ps3 and so i bought another ps3 to give it to my brother :D.

overall in my opinion i say ps3 is a must have this gen.. again thats my opinion.

*Reads OP*

*Contemplates suicide after 1st paragraph*

*Reads #6*

*Roffles*

*Leaves thread*

I am not going to bother checking the link.teemany

i dont get it?

I'm gonna just say no to the title because it makes absolutely no sense. Anything else is just more rehashed arguments.

[QUOTE="IronBass"]

If somebody is really THAT interested about each console's power, you really should check this:

http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=1

teemany

If somebody is really THAT interested about each console's power, you really should check this:

http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=1

[QUOTE="darkmagician06"][QUOTE="teemany"] I am not going to bother checking the link. I am sure Sony can provide their own take on it. The proof is in the games. I listed the games. The games that hasn't/can't be made on the 360.IronBass

Your comparison in #1 is right. I don't think anyone can dispute that Halo 3 looks better than KZ2, but that's just a comparison between both of those games.

#2 is just an opinion

#3 is fact, good point there

#4 is fact

#5 Since nothing else like LBP isn't on 360, I think PS3 users have the advantage when it comes to content from other users.

#6 Is opinion, but yeah Flower is a pretty good game.

#7 is just opinion, no way to prove gaming is more immersive on PSN over XBL

#8 is true

#9 is not true --> (PSN offers a more "unique" gaming experience)

#10 Is true to an extent, but the 360's hardware is greatly improved over how it was in the past. Much more reliable now.

i know but i can tell he assumed it was biased. also i should say that the 360/PS3 each has strengths and weaknesses with no console the supreme victor (correction to the no differences comment)darkmagician06

Your comparison in #1 is right. I don't think anyone can dispute that Halo 3 looks better than KZ2, but that's just a comparison between both of those games.

#2 is just an opinion

#3 is fact, good point there

#4 is fact

#5 Since nothing else like LBP isn't on 360, I think PS3 users have the advantage when it comes to content from other users.

#6 Is opinion, but yeah Flower is a pretty good game.

#7 is just opinion, no way to prove gaming is more immersive on PSN over XBL

#8 is true

#9 is not true --> (PSN offers a more "unique" gaming experience)

#10 Is true to an extent, but the 360's hardware is greatly improved over how it was in the past. Much more reliable now.

Doolz2024

For user-created content, the 360 has XNA and community games, which I believe beats LBPpyromaniac223

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"] For user-created content, the 360 has XNA and community games, which I believe beats LBPIronBass

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="pyromaniac223"] For user-created content, the 360 has XNA and community games, which I believe beats LBPpyromaniac223

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="pyromaniac223"] For user-created content, the 360 has XNA and community games, which I believe beats LBPpyromaniac223

Can't get paid making Sackboy levels.

[QUOTE="teemany"]I am not going to bother checking the link.IronBass

I did check the link, for a few seconds:) It's written in 2006. The thing is when people compare cell, those who haven't developed any exclusive game for the PS3, they don't really know what they are talking about. They assume a game has to be made a certain way--the PC, Xbox, PS2 way. The cell architecture, as Killzone 2's developer said, is very different. Making games for the PS3 requires a very different way of thinking.

Everyone knows that on paper, the cell is significantly more powerful than the 360's processor. However, cell programming requires a new way of thinking. So all the links and all the statements that say PS3 and 360 are equal/about equal in power are all from people who haven't developed for the PS3 exclusively. Those who have developed for the PS3 exclusive have gone on records again and again and again saying that the their games can't be done without degradation on the 360. And guess what, none of those games have been done on the 360.

Folks, you need to have an open mind and stop viewing reality based on what you want reality to be. If anything, look at the games. If you look at the games I listed, every point I made is valid.

Also, I am not just talking about cell processor. I am also talking about blu-ray, motion control, and stand-dard disk drives. And also dedicated servers.

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="teemany"]I am not going to bother checking the link.teemany

Everyone knows that on paper, the cell is significantly more powerful than the 360's processor. However, cell programming requires a new way of thinking. So all the links and all the statements that say PS3 and 360 are equal/about equal in power are all from people who haven't developed for the PS3 exclusively. Those who have developed for the PS3 exclusive have gone on records again and again and again saying that the their games can't be done without degradation on the 360. And guess what, none of those games have been done on the 360.

Folks, you need to have an open mind and stop viewing reality based on what you want reality to be. If anything, look at the games. If you look at the games I listed, every point I made is valid.

Hardware and online services fit into two different categories.JarrottB

Only 3,4 and 8 are valid. The rest are either oppinions or don't matter. Oh and XBL has some advantages over PSN that you left out...

emorainbo

The thing is on-line services are dependent on hardware. Xbox LIVE is limited by Xbox 360's hard. You can't deny that. Nobody here has given as a convincing case for LIVE as I have for PSN. Whatever advantages LIVE has over PSN, PSN has more. Prove me wrong. Anyone. I promise to have an open mind. Let's settle it here in this thread. LIVE is a rip-off. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.teemany

Though some of that is true, you missed some points, 360 downloadable content is usually more expensive, but the PS3 lacks cross game chat and partyshoosier7

I have made a convincing case that LIVE is inferior to PSN. Nobody has man a convincing counter argument. I am still waiting.

9)More Variety. PSN offers more "unique" gaming experiences than LIVE. LittleBigPlanet, FLower, Eye of Judgement, Warhawk, etc. are all very unique gaming epxeriences. You can't find them on LIVE.

teemany

We can't find PS3 exclusives on the 360? My mind? Blown. And if we're talking about variety here...weeeeeeell, which system has the bigger library out of the two?

You basically copy and paste the same points over and over in all your threads. They weren't valid then, and they aren't valid now.pyromaniac223

No.

That's really all that needs to be said on the matter.

[QUOTE="hoosier7"]Though some of that is true, you missed some points, 360 downloadable content is usually more expensive, but the PS3 lacks cross game chat and partysteemany

I have made a convincing case that LIVE is inferior to PSN. Nobody has man a convincing counter argument. I am still waiting.

1) Better graphics. This is a very big one. When you play a game, you are constantly looking at the TV screen. The better the graphics, the better the immersion. The better you feel like you are getting your money's worth. Without a doubt, the PS3 has better graphics. Just compare Halo 3's Mythic Map Pack Trailer HD with Killzone 2's Vekta Cruiser Gameplay HD andKillzone 2's Wasteland Bullet Gameplay HD. Killzone 2 makes Halo 3 look pathetic in this day and age.

Better graphics are going to be subjective, and even so, one game does not a very compelling case make.

2) Better sounds. You can say PSN has better sounds because its can produce 7.1 lossless audio, something that most gamers can't take advantaged of. The point is, PSN has better sounds overall. Should gamers want the experience the best sounds possible, they can only get it on PSN, not LIVE.

This is true. PS3 offers better sound.

3) Larger multiplayer battles. To maintain graphical and aural integrity, the more players participate in a game, the more the processor has to work. PSN's cell is so much better than Xbox 360's processor that only on PSN can you play 32-player battles with Killzone 2's graphics, 60 players with Resistance 2's graphics, and 256 players with Mag's graphics. Larger battles mean more intense and more realistic battles.

This is dependant on the game and the method of executing it in netcode/hosting, not at all the system.

4) Larger downloadable games. Because the PS3 has a large standard hard-disk drive, PSN allow players to download bigger games--Warhawk, Siren, GT5 Prolgoue, etc.

This is true, but could very well be irrelevant as MS will allow larger games on a case by case basis, and size is generally not related to quality. I mean, you can fit every NES game made on one CD....

5) Best user generated contents/More contents overall. This is where Blu-ray disk comes in handy. LittleBigPlanet, the highest rated HD exclusve, has many, many graphical and audio contents for gamers to use to create and share games. Blu-ray also comes in handy for when developers decide to add a lot of large number of maps, cars, etc. for multiplayer gaming without having to download anything.

Ok. Sure, you can have this one since I don't care either way.

6) Zen gaming. This is a genre single-handedly created by Flower, the most popular game on PSN last month. Only on PSN, can you get a game that can produce the most realistic meadows because the cell processor can render grass oh so beautifully. Flower also uses motion control, making it very intuitive to play the game. The combination of graphics, control, and sounds make Flower the most soothing, relaxing, and artistic game ever created.

What the heck is this junk? Zen gaming? How about the state of "Zen" you can get in playing E4 or similar on XBL? You made "zen" up here specifically to exclude teh 360. Its like me saying the 360 has the best games playable on a console with a Xenon chip...

7) More immersive gaming. This is very, very important. When you play a game, you want to feel lost in the game world. Nothing sucks you in like the game's atmosphere. And the game's atmosphere is dependent graphics, sounds, animation, physics, AI, number of enemies, etc.--all dependent of hardware capability. No modern game is better at creating immersion than Killzone 2.

I would argue this, since this is completely subjective.

8 ) Less Lag. We all know that PSN's big games all use dedicated serves. So games are more fair and more fun to play. With PSN you don't have to feel like you are losing a game because your opponent has a host advantage.

Both systems lag. Lag is a fact of life on Online games. Period.

9)More Variety. PSN offers more "unique" gaming experiences than LIVE. LittleBigPlanet, FLower, Eye of Judgement, Warhawk, etc. are all very unique gaming epxeriences. You can't find them on LIVE.

You show that you have little experience on the 360 and DLable games on it if you think this is true. At worse, they would both be equally amazing.

10)Fear-free gaming. This has to do with hard-ware reliabilty. Millions of Xbox 360 fans have now experienced RROD and/or E-74. With marathon mulitplayer gaming sessions, PSN gamers don't have to worry is their console is dying on them. The same can't be said for Xbox 360 owners.

Anything can break. I don't live in fear over what "might happen" or I would never leave my house or get out of my Nerf protective suit.

Your comparison in #1 is right. I don't think anyone can dispute that Halo 3 looks better than KZ2, but that's just a comparison between both of those games.

#2 is just an opinion

#3 is fact, good point there

#4 is fact

#5 Since nothing else like LBP isn't on 360, I think PS3 users have the advantage when it comes to content from other users.

#6 Is opinion, but yeah Flower is a pretty good game.

#7 is just opinion, no way to prove gaming is more immersive on PSN over XBL

#8 is true

#9 is not true --> (PSN offers a more "unique" gaming experience)

#10 Is true to an extent, but the 360's hardware is greatly improved over how it was in the past. Much more reliable now.

Doolz2024

1) We agree that it's valid.

2) It's not an opinion. Only the PS3 can have the space for more lossless sounds--Blu-ray disk matters. It is true that any gamer wanting to experience the 7.1 sounds (the best there is) then the PS3 is the best option for home consoles. So number is valid.

3) We agree that it's valid.

4) We again agree.

5) You seem to agree that this is valid, too.

6) It is not an opinion. There is no game on any console, on any platform, for that matter, that has received as much acclaim as FLower for being intuitive, artistic and relaxing at the same time. The grass, there are meadows and meadows of them, are rendered so beautifully that the 360 can't do it. Until a 360 game can show the quality of grass/meadows like Flower, then this point is valid. Until the 360 has motion control, then this point is valid. So, overall, this point is valid.

7) Just because I can't prove it doesn't mean it's not valid. If you read the reviews for all the shooters, or any game this generation, Killzone 2 comes on top when it comes to getting players immersed in a war time evironment. It is obvious, if the PS3 produces better sights (lighting, animation, physics, cut-scenes, etc.) and sounds, as well as having the power for larger numbers of players/enemies then the PS3 has the best odds of producing the most immersive game on the home consoles. This point is again very valid.

8 ) We agree.

9) This is also valid. PSN does offer more unique gaming experiences. There are absolutely no game on the 360 that offers a similar experience to any of the following: Flower, LittleBigPlanet, Eye of Judgement, WarHawk, etc. On the contrary, no game, that I can think of, on the 360 can produce the experences that can't be found, in a similar way, on the PS3. PSN does offer more unique experiences. This point is valid.

10) You seem to agree that this point is valid as well.

So, all my points are valid--10 for 10. PSN is a more premium service than LIVE. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

[QUOTE="Doolz2024"]

Your comparison in #1 is right. I don't think anyone can dispute that Halo 3 looks better than KZ2, but that's just a comparison between both of those games.

#2 is just an opinion

#3 is fact, good point there

#4 is fact

#5 Since nothing else like LBP isn't on 360, I think PS3 users have the advantage when it comes to content from other users.

#6 Is opinion, but yeah Flower is a pretty good game.

#7 is just opinion, no way to prove gaming is more immersive on PSN over XBL

#8 is true

#9 is not true --> (PSN offers a more "unique" gaming experience)

#10 Is true to an extent, but the 360's hardware is greatly improved over how it was in the past. Much more reliable now.

pyromaniac223

Dear me. Against my better judgement, I will rebut yet another nonsensical argument by teemany.

To rebut this argument, all I will say is this: the service we commonly call "Xbox Live" actually runs on several devices: the original Xbox and Xbox 360 (Xbox Live,) Windows PCs (Games For Windows--LIVE) and Zune (Zune Marketplace.) That automatically negates any attempt to tie hardware capability of the device to the features of the service. The service supports what it supports. It is up to each device to tap into the service, and each device does so in different ways commesurate to their capability.

Once again, teemany = FAIL.

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="pyromaniac223"] For user-created content, the 360 has XNA and community games, which I believe beats LBPpyromaniac223

Oh, it seems like you forgot too tell us all about how a regular game update takes 5 mins uppward,(not a first time install, which takes long anyway) while the same update on the 360 takes about 20 seconds.

That's a pretty important one, because if something updates faster, you would generally think it's superior.

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"][QUOTE="IronBass"] Did XNA has something to do with the developement of Dishwasher?IronBass