PS3 -- Why are developers STILL trying so hard on this platform?

Seriously. WTF is the point of devs trying.

1. Software isn't selling well.

2. PS3s aren't selling well.

3. RFOM is the best selling game, but it still doesn't hold a candle in sales to some Wiigames and several Xbox 360 games.

4. It isreportedly EXTREMELY difficult to program on PS3.

5. It has been reported thatthe financial risk for devs on PS3 is higher than the risk for Xbox 360 and Wii. Remember when it was said that many big budget titles would have to sell AT LEAST 500,000 units b4 devs see any profit? Yeah...that sounds like a risk worth taking :roll:

6. If Xbox 360 and/or Wii were selling this badly, devs would have given up almost immediately. Not so with the mighty PS3 :roll:

7. Ubisoft always makes bad ports for Wii. There have been several bad ports on the original Xbox. Oh...but not for R6V when porting from Xbox 360 to PS3. Ubisoft put in a lot of effort for a port to a console with a small userbase. They would NEVER EVER put that kinda care into a port coming to Wii or Xbox 360.

8. There are nearly as many PS3 titles coming in its 1st year that Xbox 360 had in its 1st year.

9. Square Enix made the FF13 statement saying that IF they put FF13 on Xbox 360, it would require multiple disks. Well, boo hoo. :cry:....Yeah, that REALLY bothered Square Enix when FFVII was on multiple CDs back in the day :roll:

10.Square IMMEDIATELY broke ties with Nintendo (for awhile) when N64 debuted. They didn't even wanna try to make games on the system. Yes, they complained about the cartridge format. Funny how they seem to have no problem retouching games for DS though...Face it. Square thought N64 would BOMB HARD and so they jumped ship. PS3 is bombing, yet Square Enix is sticking around. Tell me there isn't a bias there.

11. Even though PS3 is selling really badly in most areas, UK is not one of them. UK apparently just LOVES SONY to death. I guess price isn't a factor for the almighty PS3 with barely any good games.So worth it...:roll:

In other words.....

"Just Wait"

You know u wouldn't care if you owned all three consoles.......

I hope they all provide me with awesome games. which I know that they will

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Seriously. WTF is the point of devs trying.

1. Software isn't selling well.

2. PS3s aren't selling well.

3. RFOM is the best selling game, but it still doesn't hold a candle in sales to some Wiigames and several Xbox 360 games.

4. It isreportedly EXTREMELY difficult to program on PS3.

5. It has been reported thatthe financial risk for devs on PS3 is higher than the risk for Xbox 360 and Wii. Remember when it was said that many big budget titles would have to sell AT LEAST 500,000 units b4 devs see any profit? Yeah...that sounds like a risk worth taking :roll:

6. If Xbox 360 and/or Wii were selling this badly, devs would have given up almost immediately. Not so with the mighty PS3 :roll:

7. Ubisoft always makes bad ports for Wii. There have been several bad ports on the original Xbox. Oh...but not for R6V when porting from Xbox 360 to PS3. Ubisoft put in a lot of effort for a port to a console with a small userbase. They would NEVER EVER put that kinda care into a port coming to Wii or Xbox 360.

8. There are nearly as many PS3 titles coming in its 1st year that Xbox 360 had in its 1st year.

9. Square Enix made the FF13 statement saying that IF they put FF13 on Xbox 360, it would require multiple disks. Well, boo hoo. :cry:....Yeah, that REALLY bothered Square Enix when FFVII was on multiple CDs back in the day :roll:

10.Square IMMEDIATELY broke ties with Nintendo (for awhile) when N64 debuted. They didn't even wanna try to make games on the system. Yes, they complained about the cartridge format. Funny how they seem to have no problem retouching games for DS though...Face it. Square thought N64 would BOMB HARD and so they jumped ship. PS3 is bombing, yet Square Enix is sticking around. Tell me there isn't a bias there.

11. Even though PS3 is selling really badly in most areas, UK is not one of them. UK apparently just LOVES SONY to death. I guess price isn't a factor for the almighty PS3 with barely any good games.So worth it...:roll:

AvIdGaMeR444

Ps3 have sold 3 million with no amazing exlusive. If i wear you i should worry about the xbox instead it have been

out in 17 month have a huge library of good games and it doesent sell werry well.

Are you jealous of a game system or something? Oh no the PS3 gets to have games!!!! People support the PS3 cause they know there are 100+ million PS2 owners who are ready to go next-gen. Besides wouldn't you support a console who's predecessors sold over 200+ million?Ragnarok1051

Well Xbox = 24 million

GC = 20 million last gen.

PS2 = 115-120 Million and it's still selling.

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]Are you jealous of a game system or something? Oh no the PS3 gets to have games!!!! People support the PS3 cause they know there are 100+ million PS2 owners who are ready to go next-gen. Besides wouldn't you support a console who's predecessors sold over 200+ million?SpecialForcesOp

Well Xbox = 24 million

GC = 20 million last gen.

PS2 = 115-120 Million and it's still selling.

Sony created a beast when they made the PS2

I think it might be the same reason that the wii has bad ports. It is just too early for sales to matter at. At this point, the games we have were all in development before launch. All the big ps3 games fall in this category. I think that 2008 will be a good indicator of where dev support will be. 360 will stretch its advantage even farther, and wii will get a flood of games (with mixed results). PS3? we'll see.

Also, sony has a good reputation in terms of helping out 3rd party devs in order to make sure their titles are as good as can be. The other 2 only do that for 2nd party games. (could be wrong on that one, but that's what I hear)

Are you jealous of a game system or something? Oh no the PS3 gets to have games!!!! People support the PS3 cause they know there are 100+ million PS2 owners who are ready to go next-gen. Besides wouldn't you support a console who's predecessors sold over 200+ million?Ragnarok1051

Not jealous. Just confused. Developers abandon platforms that aren't selling well. This has ALWAYS been the case. Not with PS3 though. I guess I just don't understand the logic at all. It is difficult to program for, expensive, risky, etc. And to top it off, other than RFOM, NONE OF THE GAMES ARE SELLING WELL. This should be a red flag for devs, but it isn't. It was said that one of the main reasons devs abandoned N64 was...

1. Difficult to program for

2. High cost of development

3. 3rd parties not selling well

PS3 hasall of theseissues. So, I have to ask this...Why are devs clinging on to PS3 still? It makes ZERO sense. None.

I don't own any of the new consoles. But people don't want to make a mistake like the Dreamcast. As for the Playstation 3, even though it has been rough for Sony they have no real reason to give up. Yes, I will agree that people are waiting for better games on the PS3. I'm just saying that if you spend so much money in promoting and building a console you "better" make it work. Nintendo didn't back out with the GameCube that's for sure. Even with Sony's PSP, you still see support even though it's not selling well as the Nintendo DS.

I am considering a Playstation 3 purchase(not exactly right now; maybe in the Fall). I say that because IGN just reported that Square Enix has no plans to release any Final Fantasygame on the Xbox 360. Don't get me wrong. I REALLY REALLY WANT TO PLAY MASS EFFECT!Thank God, I did some serious PC upgrades recently to play Alan Wake!

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]Are you jealous of a game system or something?Oh no the PS3 gets to have games!!!! People support the PS3 cause they know there are 100+ million PS2 owners who are ready to go next-gen. Besides wouldn't you support a console who's predecessors sold over 200+ million?AvIdGaMeR444

Not jealous. Just confused. Developers abandon platforms that aren't selling well. This has ALWAYS been the case. Not with PS3 though. I guess I just don't understand the logic at all. It is difficult to program for, expensive, risky, etc. And to top it off, other than RFOM, NONE OF THE GAMES ARE SELLING WELL. This should be a red flag for devs, but it isn't. It was said that one of the main reasons devs abandoned N64 was...

1. Difficult to program for

2. High cost of development

3. 3rd parties not selling well

PS3 hasall of theseissues. So, I have to ask this...Why are devs clinging on to PS3 still? It makes ZERO sense. None.

The developers said the PS2 was hard to develop for, and 3rd party has always done real good on Sony's consoles thats what made the PS2 a beast. 3rd party on Nintendo has been horrible since the N64 days.

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]Are you jealous of a game system or something? Oh no the PS3 gets to have games!!!! People support the PS3 cause they know there are 100+ million PS2 owners who are ready to go next-gen. Besides wouldn't you support a console who's predecessors sold over 200+ million?AvIdGaMeR444

Not jealous. Just confused. Developers abandon platforms that aren't selling well. This has ALWAYS been the case. Not with PS3 though. I guess I just don't understand the logic at all. It is difficult to program for, expensive, risky, etc. And to top it off, other than RFOM, NONE OF THE GAMES ARE SELLING WELL. This should be a red flag for devs, but it isn't. It was said that one of the main reasons devs abandoned N64 was...

1. Difficult to program for

2. High cost of development

3. 3rd parties not selling well

PS3 hasall of theseissues. So, I have to ask this...Why are devs clinging on to PS3 still? It makes ZERO sense. None.

The game devs are already deep into PS3 development of certain games.

Companies have Long Term investments in the PS3. It's only been 7 months.

If u owned all three consoles I doubt u be so harsh on any of them

Not jealous. Just confused. Developers abandon platforms that aren't selling well. This has ALWAYS been the case. Not with PS3 though. I guess I just don't understand the logic at all. It is difficult to program for, expensive, risky, etc. And to top it off, other than RFOM, NONE OF THE GAMES ARE SELLING WELL. This should be a red flag for devs, but it isn't. It was said that one of the main reasons devs abandoned N64 was...

1. Difficult to program for

2. High cost of development

3. 3rd parties not selling well

PS3 hasall of theseissues. So, I have to ask this...Why are devs clinging on to PS3 still? It makes ZERO sense. None.

AvIdGaMeR444

Well from what RV6 shows, some devs aren't working as hard as others. Sony's inhouse people are really busting their butts on their games and so are companies like Square and Konami. It isn't selling well? Considering the system is 600 plus dollar, and has no games at the moment the PS3 is selling almost exactly what 360 was selling at this point in it's existence. You lems gotta stop saying that the PS3 isn't selling well because it's just not true. Within 2 months the PS3 will have games dropping non stop. By years end there will be more games than many can buy and an increased installed base. CyanX73

1. It has been said that PS3 is more costly to develop games for

2. PS3 may have sold as many consoles as Xbox 360 did in the same time period. HOWEVER, software on PS3 is selling MUCH WORSE than Xbox 360 software. The attach rate is TERRIBLE. THAT is where devs make their money!

3. PS3 consoles are dropping off in sales quickly. Xbox 360 had a shortage for a few months. PS3 did not not. PS3 is sitting on store shelves. Xbox 360 userbase kept rising during its 1st year. PS3 userbase isn't rising nearly as much now. It is struggling to compete with GBA...

[QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]

Not jealous. Just confused. Developers abandon platforms that aren't selling well. This has ALWAYS been the case. Not with PS3 though. I guess I just don't understand the logic at all. It is difficult to program for, expensive, risky, etc. And to top it off, other than RFOM, NONE OF THE GAMES ARE SELLING WELL. This should be a red flag for devs, but it isn't. It was said that one of the main reasons devs abandoned N64 was...

1. Difficult to program for

2. High cost of development

3. 3rd parties not selling well

PS3 hasall of theseissues. So, I have to ask this...Why are devs clinging on to PS3 still? It makes ZERO sense. None.

nickmag

Ok...I shouldn't have slammed PS3 sales. However, like I said, the software is where devs make their money. And software is selling really badly on PS3. The attach rate is low. If software fails to sell, then devs don't make money. It is a huge risk, and PS3 is costly to develop for. So you have high cost combined with software not selling...a LOSING combination. Yet, 3rd party devs keep trucking along and making games anyway.

Do you think game developers are a bunch of fanboys that are blinded by the company they support and that can't see the long term potential of another console?

There you go.

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]Are you jealous of a game system or something? Oh no the PS3 gets to have games!!!! People support the PS3 cause they know there are 100+ million PS2 owners who are ready to go next-gen. Besides wouldn't you support a console who's predecessors sold over 200+ million?AvIdGaMeR444

Not jealous. Just confused. Developers abandon platforms that aren't selling well. This has ALWAYS been the case. Not with PS3 though. I guess I just don't understand the logic at all. It is difficult to program for, expensive, risky, etc. And to top it off, other than RFOM, NONE OF THE GAMES ARE SELLING WELL. This should be a red flag for devs, but it isn't. It was said that one of the main reasons devs abandoned N64 was...

1. Difficult to program for

2. High cost of development

3. 3rd parties not selling well

PS3 hasall of theseissues. So, I have to ask this...Why are devs clinging on to PS3 still? It makes ZERO sense. None.

I understand. But this isn't an era where companies know what work and what "can" work. The Playstation franchise is the reason why people continue to develop on the PS3. The console has problems, but it has never been in the ditch. I don't think this holiday season is going to be awesome compared to next year. People will be purchasing the games they have been dying to play along with a console in 08; compared to purchasing a console and then waiting for a blasted game to come out.

some developers have swtich to develope for wii more than ps3..

its where the sales go and before you know it its going to be new winner this current gen... who we dont know time will tell...

You know u wouldn't care if you owned all three consoles.......

I hope they all provide me with awesome games. which I know that they will

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SpecialForcesOp

i own all 3 and i care.

maybe you don't appreciate the things you pay lots of money for - or someone else bought em for ya :)

i extremely pissed at Sony and PS3 so far, total disappointment.

they already sunk the money into the development. I woudl think many of the titles they're working on were being worked on before the ps3 launched...

once they see the abysmal returns on their investment tho, not many will make a second or third game for the ps3....;)

"hidden power"... i love it...:lol:

[QUOTE="SpecialForcesOp"]

You know u wouldn't care if you owned all three consoles.......

I hope they all provide me with awesome games. which I know that they will

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3picuri3

i own all 3 and i care.

maybe you don't appreciate the things you pay lots of money for - or someone else bought em for ya :)

i extremely pissed at Sony and PS3 so far, total disappointment.

Actually scratch that. I am sick and tired of waiting for this 600$ POS god forsaken Rock to start to have games for it.

it's Bull ****

Ok...I shouldn't have slammed PS3 sales. However, like I said, the software is where devs make their money. And software is selling really badly on PS3. The attach rate is low. If software fails to sell, then devs don't make money. It is a huge risk, and PS3 is costly to develop for. So you have high cost combined with software not selling...a LOSING combination. Yet, 3rd party devs keep trucking along and making games anyway.

AvIdGaMeR444

Think about it!!! Developers already started on titles like FFXIII and MGS4 before the launch of the PS3 and don't forget that many Japanese developers are already switch there focus on the Wii now but they have to complete whatever PS3 title they are making since it cost a lot of money to develope for!!! In other words, why stop on something when you already puta lot of money on???

PS3 is selling as well as 360 or PS3.

Games are selling decently.

What's your point?

they already sunk the money into the development. I woudl think many of the titles they're working on were being worked on before the ps3 launched...

once they see the abysmal returns on their investment tho, not many will make a second or third game for the ps3....;)

"hidden power"... i love it...:lol:

tango90101

QFT!

Devs know of the x360's industry-leading game attach rate and will make most of their games mulitplatform. This trend has already started.

This is the gen we watch Sony lose its dominance in the market. Just wait for May's NPD numbers.....under 100k again.

PS3 is selling as well as 360 or PS3.

Games are selling decently.

What's your point?

NobuoMusicMaker

No they aren't :|

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

PS3 is selling as well as 360 or PS3.

Games are selling decently.

What's your point?

AvIdGaMeR444

No they aren't :|

There hasn't been a must-have game yet................

and it's going to be that way until MGS4 hits.

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

PS3 is selling as well as 360 or PS3.

Games are selling decently.

What's your point?

AvIdGaMeR444

No they aren't :|

Resistance sold 600 000 copies in Europe in just over 2 months. Good games sell, crap games don't.

^^^^

[QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

PS3 is selling as well as 360 or PS3.

Games are selling decently.

What's your point?

lusitanogamer

No they aren't :|

Resistance sold 600 000 copies in Europe in just over 2 months. Good games sell, crap games don't.

^^^^

TheOwnerOner

:lol: :lol:

That picture is PERFECT!!

[QUOTE="lusitanogamer"][QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

PS3 is selling as well as 360 or PS3.

Games are selling decently.

What's your point?

GunSmith1_basic

No they aren't :|

Resistance sold 600 000 copies in Europe in just over 2 months. Good games sell, crap games don't.

No, that should encourage them to put more effort on what they do for the PS3.

If someone told me my work was crap, i sure has hell would work harder to make it better.

there are so many things in the ps3 that make it differnt than past consoles that you cant look at the past

blue-ray and HOME ar 2 main ones...

I think it is doing fine. Selling as much as the 360 was at this time in the 360s life. Software is marginal but there really arn't that many titles worth owning yet.

Give it a bit of time. I think sales will stay where they are and may even improve when some games come out. Then a price drop will send the system skyrocketing, but that won't be for awhile.

I think it is doing fine. Selling as much as the 360 was at this time in the 360s life. Software is marginal but there really arn't that many titles worth owning yet.

Give it a bit of time. I think sales will stay where they are and may even improve when some games come out. Then a price drop will send the system skyrocketing, but that won't be for awhile.

Wasdie

The PS3's price will have to be in the impulse-buy range before sales will skyrocket.

PS3 is selling as well as 360 or PS3.

Games are selling decently.

What's your point?

NobuoMusicMaker

no, no, and i think the point is the games suck really bad so far. i personally don't want devs to give up, but i've pretty much given up all hope.

Seriously. WTF is the point of devs trying.

1. Software isn't selling well.

2. PS3s aren't selling well.

3. RFOM is the best selling game, but it still doesn't hold a candle in sales to some Wiigames and several Xbox 360 games.

4. It isreportedly EXTREMELY difficult to program on PS3.

5. It has been reported thatthe financial risk for devs on PS3 is higher than the risk for Xbox 360 and Wii. Remember when it was said that many big budget titles would have to sell AT LEAST 500,000 units b4 devs see any profit? Yeah...that sounds like a risk worth taking :roll:

6. If Xbox 360 and/or Wii were selling this badly, devs would have given up almost immediately. Not so with the mighty PS3 :roll:

7. Ubisoft always makes bad ports for Wii. There have been several bad ports on the original Xbox. Oh...but not for R6V when porting from Xbox 360 to PS3. Ubisoft put in a lot of effort for a port to a console with a small userbase. They would NEVER EVER put that kinda care into a port coming to Wii or Xbox 360.

8. There are nearly as many PS3 titles coming in its 1st year that Xbox 360 had in its 1st year.

9. Square Enix made the FF13 statement saying that IF they put FF13 on Xbox 360, it would require multiple disks. Well, boo hoo. :cry:....Yeah, that REALLY bothered Square Enix when FFVII was on multiple CDs back in the day :roll:

10.Square IMMEDIATELY broke ties with Nintendo (for awhile) when N64 debuted. They didn't even wanna try to make games on the system. Yes, they complained about the cartridge format. Funny how they seem to have no problem retouching games for DS though...Face it. Square thought N64 would BOMB HARD and so they jumped ship. PS3 is bombing, yet Square Enix is sticking around. Tell me there isn't a bias there.

11. Even though PS3 is selling really badly in most areas, UK is not one of them. UK apparently just LOVES SONY to death. I guess price isn't a factor for the almighty PS3 with barely any good games.So worth it...:roll:

AvIdGaMeR444

on the subject of the programming, you exxagerrated when you said it was extremely difficult to program for. It's not rocket science when they port something. third party devs have kits that help them port games to the PS3, making it somewhat challenging, if they are not used to it. it's not a big deal. the way you twist information around is very irresponsible, and not a good way to get your point across, just a friendly reminder. :)

ps3 is a beast waiting to be unleashed. After playstation selling over 200+million, it would be foolish NOT to develop good games for it.

I think lemmings and sheep alike are just scared of the potential of ps3. this is why you always say "MGS4 in 2008!".

You received a beating with ps1, you recieved a beating with ps2. and even if ps3 doesnt give out a beating, im sure it will have the most diverse games as well as online games, especially with warhawk, the agency, HOMe (not a game i know), and confrontation.

I hate to keep saying it, but JUST WAIT!!!!

Are you jealous of a game system or something? Oh no the PS3 gets to have games!!!! People support the PS3 cause they know there are 100+ million PS2 owners who are ready to go next-gen. Besides wouldn't you support a console who's predecessors sold over 200+ million?Ragnarok1051

all my friends worshiped sony with the ps2 and now all moved over to the 360. and some instead of having a 360 and ps3 have a 360 and wii. its funny that you think that theres actually 100million ps2 owners

Seriously. WTF is the point of devs trying.

1. Software isn't selling well.

2. PS3s aren't selling well.

3. RFOM is the best selling game, but it still doesn't hold a candle in sales to some Wiigames and several Xbox 360 games.

4. It isreportedly EXTREMELY difficult to program on PS3.

5. It has been reported thatthe financial risk for devs on PS3 is higher than the risk for Xbox 360 and Wii. Remember when it was said that many big budget titles would have to sell AT LEAST 500,000 units b4 devs see any profit? Yeah...that sounds like a risk worth taking :roll:

6. If Xbox 360 and/or Wii were selling this badly, devs would have given up almost immediately. Not so with the mighty PS3 :roll:

7. Ubisoft always makes bad ports for Wii. There have been several bad ports on the original Xbox. Oh...but not for R6V when porting from Xbox 360 to PS3. Ubisoft put in a lot of effort for a port to a console with a small userbase. They would NEVER EVER put that kinda care into a port coming to Wii or Xbox 360.

8. There are nearly as many PS3 titles coming in its 1st year that Xbox 360 had in its 1st year.

9. Square Enix made the FF13 statement saying that IF they put FF13 on Xbox 360, it would require multiple disks. Well, boo hoo. :cry:....Yeah, that REALLY bothered Square Enix when FFVII was on multiple CDs back in the day :roll:

10.Square IMMEDIATELY broke ties with Nintendo (for awhile) when N64 debuted. They didn't even wanna try to make games on the system. Yes, they complained about the cartridge format. Funny how they seem to have no problem retouching games for DS though...Face it. Square thought N64 would BOMB HARD and so they jumped ship. PS3 is bombing, yet Square Enix is sticking around. Tell me there isn't a bias there.

11. Even though PS3 is selling really badly in most areas, UK is not one of them. UK apparently just LOVES SONY to death. I guess price isn't a factor for the almighty PS3 with barely any good games.So worth it...:roll:

AvIdGaMeR444

"If your so confident about the XBox360, why is there the constant need to slate the PS3? If "almost every gamer" really thinks it's so cr@p, vision-less, filled with bad decisions, etc. then why the tireless efforts by you lot, to prove (and almost overstate) this? just relax and stop trying so hard to convince everyone (including yourselves) - The truth is... Your all afraid of the PS3 and what will come over the next 18 months! My advice... Continue to be afraid... Be very afraid"