PPL criticize Witcher 3 combat yet Dark Soul isn't even good

You have no place in this thread.

Anyway, I pretty much agree. The Souls games combat is cool, since you have to memorize the animations and time them right. Like in Monster Hunter, which I think have freaking awesome combat. Witcher is cool too, but a little button mashy. I know you don't have to button mash, and will get cooler looking fights out of it, but button mashing in Witcher's combat is kind of rewarded. At least it was in Witcher 1 and 2.

Kinda incredible that some are being serious and vote for TW3 trash light attack spam over the souls series. The game doesn't even have a stamina bar for attacks nor does it have attack animations lol its the same swing animation on every enemy until the end of the game... Not liking a Souls game is one thing but saying that TW3 combat (which is essentially exactly like the shitty TW2 combat) is better? What? Crazy stuff. That's like saying Darksiders have a better combat system than Ninja Gaiden, the difference is so big that its dumb even comparing the two.

No, you like the Souls type combat because it's simplistic and repetitive pattern recognition, which your brain can handle. That doesn't make it better.

See, anyone can do that crap. Pulling the ol' "you're not good enough or smart enough to understand this epic game the way I do" is lame.

You mean when dragons, zombies and wizards roamed the earth?

@kalipekona: except that's not what people are saying or why most people like it. I'm not even a fan of the series but what you said is incredibly dumb.

You must not have understood my point. I was responding to a particular comment and showing that it's easy to label something as crap and then attempt to dismiss other people's opinions by basically saying "you're opinion isn't valid because you like crap". It's pointless circular reasoning.

BUMP !!!

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Loving this thread so much right now.

@Litchie: I assure you that anyone button mashing against a group of Drowners will last just a few seconds in W3. At a high difficulty setting.

@godspellwh: I dont care what people saying ... Both Witcher AND DS series are top notch RPGs and im having a blast. Let haters hate ... who cares.

It depends on what you are trying to fight and what you are standing on. There are some areas in Demon's Souls where I would have to just sprint back into an open area so I could backpedal enough to make the red eye knight miss. That's not even addressing the game's biggest problem, which is the ridiculous amount of grinding required if you want to use good equipment. Most people complain about having to replay a level when you die. That's not nearly as boring as having to replay a level you've already beaten so you can try to find stones to upgrade your equipment. Not to mention the souls you have to harvest just to upgrade your strength and endurance enough to wear it. I'm at the very end of the game and had to grind to level 70-something just to wear the armor I want to wear. Quit playing because I still wasn't strong enough to carry a bow that I could use to kill the blue dragon.

Not seeing how luring an enemy into a more advantageous area is a fault of the game. Pretty sure that's intended, especially for that first red eye knight you encounter in 1-1 (who is totally optional by the way, and guards a door you wouldn't/couldn't normally enter at that point).

Grinding in Souls games isn't ridiculous because you're not really forced to grind. Having upgraded weapons just makes things easier, and honestly heavy armor in Demon's Souls especially is useless because fatrolling is garbage and fastroll invincibility frames are OP. My first playthrough of Demon's Souls I came across plenty of hardstone/sharpstone to upgrade the weapons I wanted, and the rarer upgrading components that let you hit +8 and above were of course something I found later in the game, or in hidden areas from crystal lizards. And yeah, parameter requirements--big deal. Just build your character accordingly if you want to equip that certain set of armor/weapon.

The hellkite drakes are totally optional by the way, it's actually more of a pain in the ass to try to kill them. But if you really want to you can just use any shitty bow and stock an insane amount of arrows; just prepare to shoot at them for like ten minutes. I will admit dealing with those shitty guys in the last level of Boletaria was frustrating and stupid, and it's one of the reasons I don't like Demon's Souls that much.

Dark Souls is obv a much easier game to make. No need for any actual events, gameplay variety beyonde the combat system, characters or story.

Sure simplicity is cool and DS does it very well. Simplicity is still simpler though.

If the bottom line result is a better playing than who cares which is easier? For all of The Witcher's desires for world building and characters, the combat isn't exactly anything worth praising. On top of that, it's pretty shallow.

@princeofshapeir:

Theres a finite of weapons in Dark Souls thats actually usefull to you when you pick it up........... I mean theres three things to consider, Minimum Requirements to Wield, Scaling and Uograding The Weapon itself.

When you first play this game its going to take you a while to understand exactly how scaling works........ even if you do know how it works you won't know whether a weapon scales well or not until you fully upgrade it, and even if you did know that theres judmst know getting around the fact that you need Grind To buy the resources to upgrade the weapon, you need to grind the levels to make that weapon usable and then you need to farm for the resources to upgrade the weapon because nobody sells the Larger Titanites...... and thats just to upgrade one single weapon, theres still the matter if each piece of your armor any other weapons you might need to use and Dark Souls doesn't give you enough resources or Souls for one single halfway decent character.........

Dark Souls is just as Grindy as any other RPG if not more since other RPGs only need to grind for onething when Dark Souls asks you to Grind for 2 things.

Imagine if you actually spent five seconds reading my post. That'd be wild!

Oh no, Attack of the Lulu_Lulu. :(

Different strokes for different folks. I really did not care for Blood borne, not to say I didn't give it the time to grow on me. The Witcher 3 on the other hand has me immersed. I tend to like large open world games with detailed environments to explore.

The combat in TW3 is perfectly fine for the type of game it is.

LOL +9000

I love both games but to be honest, The Witcher 3's combat is far better than Dark Souls.

@Gamerno6666:

FLASH KICK !!!!

If you have a melee build, the red one isn't all that optional, unless you are just so good at the game you can beat the Flame Lurker without taking a single shot, or you grind a whole lot more than I did. The kite shield and winged spear just wasn't getting it done. That is the only portion of the game I consulted a guide for. Took about 20 minutes of shooting the dragon with arrows, then another hour and a half to grind for enough souls to actually carry the stupid flame shield.

I shot the blue one with as many arrows as my endurance would let me hold and it did not die. It was like 300 times I shot that thing. I might run past it this weekend, just so I can say I beat the game, though.

Nothing is wrong with the combat its the huge overworld that engages players in the game.

The player reaction I am talking about is just the animation of you getting stunned, not the actual player's reaction to the situation. You praise the enemy a.i. and the encounters system in W3, which is totally fine, but that is not what I'm talking about when I say the souls combat system is better. I just mean the animations of attack, the combos, the look, the weight of attacks...just the overall feel.

I still think if you took 8-10 BB dogs on in W3...you (and most everyone else) would probably die. I agree that they wouldn't use tactics on you...the would all just lunge in a torrent of doggy doom! You would probably get staggered once and die before you could regain your footing. That is the assumed outcome I see.

I'm just glad that there enough games for all of us. So you can like yours, and I can like mine.

you need to play a game called Bloodborne

Yep...I've just recently played Dark Souls for the first time, to see what the fuss is all about, and from start to finish I couldn't stop thinking...."That's it?"

Sluggish and clumsy movement, unresponsive controls where it can take even more than a second to register, slow animations, bad UI, no tutorial of any kind, glitchy lock on targetting system, retarded AI with poor collision detection( I left a game for five hours running...and that archer still hasn't figured out to move and then try to shoot AROUND objects), enemies attacks passing through objects, no satisfying hit effect on you or when you're striking opponents as your over sized weapon simply passes through them and their corpses later float around as if filled with hellium, difficulty based on nothing more than grinding, exploiting AI with I-frames, and tedious, pointless repetition...and I won't even get started on it's poor magic system or probably the worst archery I've seen in any game.

And the "legendary" boss fights?...you roll left and right for five minutes on a bridge as an oversized (like everything else in the game) butterfly shoots at you, then it lands in the middle and stands around doing absolutely nothing, while you hack it away, and then you go about repeating the same thing five times over....great sense of triumph and accomplishment! It never felt like there is any real sense of character progression or that the game encourages you to experiment and combine different attacks ...just observe and exploit, for everything you face in the game. Despite it's reputation for being "hard", it really isn't...it's simply tedious.

Funny thing is then seeing these blind fanatics as they go about criticizing other games, for a lot of things they do a LOT better than Dark Souls or Bloodborne ever could.

And that Gif? It's actually pretty damn accurate.

This right here in a nutshell is the problem with the modern gamer. Everything is either the best thing ever or a pile of shit. No one actually has the intelligence to just admit to themselves that something isn't for them.

How can anyone slag off the combat in dark souls? And the witcher is one of the best games this year, if not the best, so ignorant morons dislike it just because they think it gives them status to be different. It doesn't. No one cares what games you like. People only care about games they like.

Jesus H Christ I am getting tired of these people. Grow up.

I actually wanted to prove my point with a frame of mind that most Dark Souls/Bloodborne players here display when criticizing combat in other games...If you focus on the negatives as I just did, everything, from the simplest video games to greatest works of art in human history can be proclaimed as a piece of shit, by our common, everyday amateur "critic" you'll find on the Internet.

What I "somehow" failed to mention is an amazing variety of AI's in DS, different weapon styles and builds, strong psychological tension, and so on...just as a lot of people here "failed to notice" in Wild Hunt, it's very flexible game play with that allows you to easily switch between different type of attacks in a very fluid motion, amazing dodge mechanics, excellent sense of "rhythm" , adrenaline and toxicity system, huge variety of bombs and potion effects, strategic use of signs on enemies or the environment, etc, etc...only to end up describing it as "repetitive, boring button mashing".

Stop wearing heavy armor. That's why it's sluggish you silly plebs.

I dunno, but the fights in the Whitcher look like a dance contest. Especially when I use the (non rolling) dodge button.

This ,Souls & Dogma/Dark Arisen have the best hack-n-slash combat for action RPGs.

And pleeeeease....Twitcher isn't on their level when it comes to combat.

When you're on the matter of examining the "credibility" of the author of that video, check out his "review" of Arkham Knight's combat system, as well. Especially when his epileptic episodes start to kick in.

combat simulator

I like the combat in both games/series (TW1&2 being the exceptions). People probably just get killed too easily in TW3/DS because they think that the character is a some kind of an untouchable ninja or something lol.

"Sluggish and clunky" translates into "I have no idea what I'm doing or what I'm supposed to do".

Every weapon in Dark Souls has its own thought out moveset and timing windows it's meant to exploit. The reason why the Souls games are so popular is because they can't be beaten by a braindead person on autopilot like a game like Skyrim can. Without proper preparation, reactiveness, awareness and good execution you wouldn't be able to get past the bell gargoyles.

Not to say the Witcher 3's combat is bad, just saying that you have quite evidently no clue of what you're talking about.

Your focus on the negative is the kind of thing a person who doesn't understand Dark Souls would say though. Without proper focus on the negative you could even make people believe Fallout 3 is a good game.

Souls games requires learning the pattern of every enemy, TW3 doesnt or at least not to the extent of the souls games.

His 3 "reviews" of TW3 are disingenuous garbage, i've picked them apart in the comment section.

They're reaching so hard it made me unsub without a second thought.

Him doing 3 videos on a single game should already make you doubt his integrity.

"Bu-bu-but i'm not wrong, you guys!"

If you think Dark Souls combat is poor, I can't really respect your opinion on other action RPGs.

I agree with Dark Souls best combat. TW3 combat i like....less.

Darks Souls combat is very deliberate. TW3 feels more automatic like the Batman games.... but I play TW3 mainly for the story and exploration so it's not a big deal.

It's satisfying combat, not the deepest in the world, but very well implamented. The Witchers isn't.

Was that a TW3 console version? I'm still trying to understand how so many people call movement/combat in TW3 unresponsive or having weird momentum whereas I had zero problems like that since its release on PC.

I agree both games have crappy combat which is why I don't like either game

@N30F3N1X: I'm saying basically the same thing as Doc sanchez/what's his name, in a post above...most people on the Internet have less reasoning abilities than a goat and are thoroughly incapable of looking at anything from different angles without reaching a binary conclusion that boils down to... This shit sucks or It is the Best ever!

Witcher emphasizes rhythm, faster and more flexible combat and involves more strategy and complementary mechanics than the majority of action games, including Dark Souls. And it excells at those, despite all it's flaws.

Dark Souls emphasizes slower, more metodical combat with the player fully in control of every type of attack, variety of AI's and different play styles. And it also excells at those, despite having many flaws.

Each should be examined on it's own merits and design goals.