Poll: PS4 1080p, X1 900p.. NX 720/768p?

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Poll Poll: PS4 1080p, X1 900p.. NX 720/768p? (75 votes)

Definitely. 8%
Probably. 12%
Maybe. 11%
Unlikely. 28%
Nope. 41%

Do you think the NX might become the 720p/768p console? Basically can run all PS4 and XB1 multi-plats well but at the lowest resolution among the 3.

Let's say the PS4 may be considered as the "1080p console", the X1 as the "900p console".. You think the NX home console will be the "720/768p console"?

What I mean is something like being close/closer to the PS4/X1 architecture, AMD APU. Maybe even the same as the X1's CPU (slightly higher than PS4) but worse GPU compute.

Hypothetical specs:

8 core 853Mhz CPU

640 GPU Cores (X1 has 768)

8 GB DDR4 (not PS4 GDDR 5, better than X1's DDR3 but no eSRAM)

Since it may be the same or similar architecture as the PS4/X1, it's going to be much easier to port multi-platform games to compared to the Wii-U.

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#1 Blabadon
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That's disgusting, please no.

While I'm (sigh...) not against playing games at 720p, they shouldn't be rendered at that frame rate in 2015, period.

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#2 Dire_Weasel
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We're almost two years into Gen 8, I would certainly hope that the NX isn't sub-1080p, because seriously, aside from brand loyalty (cough, xbox) why would that be ok in 2016?

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@Blabadon: Can't edit. It seems DDR4 isn't yet quite an upgrade over DDR3.

I was wondering if the NX would just be that, a "720p variant" of the PS4/X1 and allow a lower cost of entry.

Toon shader heavy, exclusive games, Nintendo games would hopefully be 1080p/60 FPS.. better than Wii U in image quality (geometry, effects, LoD, etc).

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#4 xhawk27
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@Dire_Weasel said:

We're almost two years into Gen 8, I would certainly hope that the NX isn't sub-1080p, because seriously, aside from brand loyalty (cough, xbox) why would that be ok in 2016?

Also maybe it can do more than 60fps in most games, because seriously, aside from brand loyalty (cough, playstation) why would that be ok in 2016?

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#5 lamprey263
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Depends on what they want to make on it, but can't they already do 1080p/60fps on Wii U?

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#6  Edited By Blabadon
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@j2zon2591 said:

@Blabadon: Can't edit. It seems DDR4 isn't yet quite an upgrade over DDR3.

I was wondering if the NX would just be that, a "720p variant" of the PS4/X1 and allow a lower cost of entry.

Toon shader heavy, exclusive games, Nintendo games would hopefully be 1080p/60 FPS.. better than Wii U in image quality (geometry, effects, LoD, etc).

These systems are already poor man's PCs, if they can render anything, I'd prefer it be the max resolution of most TVs/monitors nowadays. Even frame rate I can handle. Games like Wolfenstein and Revelations 2 look garbage on next gen systems but for 60 FPS, I'll take it. Worst case I'll get it on my PC since it can outdo my PS4 handily.

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#7 xhawk27
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@lamprey263 said:

Depends on what they want to make on it, but can't they already do 1080p/60fps on Wii U?

Not to the level of graphics on the PS4/X1.

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#8 Chutebox
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Honestly, i'll be surprised if this isn't stronger than current systems. they have got to finally realize they need some oomph in their systems.

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#9  Edited By SonySoldier-_-
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I will be very sad if the NX isn't more powerful than PS4.

NX will be launching at least 3 to 4 years after the PS4 launched.

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#10 lamprey263
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@xhawk27 said:
@lamprey263 said:

Depends on what they want to make on it, but can't they already do 1080p/60fps on Wii U?

Not to the level of graphics on the PS4/X1.

I could care less about the NX having the capabilities of the PS4 or XBO, I just want them to support it with awesome first party games. I'd be fine with them sticking with the Wii U if they made the games I wanna see for it, like a new Metroid would be a start, instead the first new and only new Zelda game for the Wii U will be its swan song. They could make it as powerful as the PS4 and/or XBO but it might not mean much to me if I doubt Nintendo's commitment to supporting their consoles.

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#11 santoron
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By the time the Nintendo get's this out the door the PS4 will be three years old. If they can't match that level of performance I won't even bother, and neither will the 3rd parties.

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#12 BobRossPerm
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Nah it will be the worlds most powerful console at release. This thing was built to compete with the PS4 and X1 though, not the PS5 and X2.

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#13  Edited By j2zon2591
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@lamprey263 said:

Depends on what they want to make on it, but can't they already do 1080p/60fps on Wii U?

1080p/60fps is a different but related factor to other image quality settings. Yeah it already does that but not with a higher graphical setting.

Rough, hypothetical example:

Battlefront 3 (a non toon shader [Mario, Zelda, SMTxFE]), probably harder to compute game..

PS4 900p

XB1 sub 900p or dynamic res

NX 768p.

Wii U = no Battlefront 3 release because image quality might not be acceptable to EA or too hard/expensive to port for what EA considers acceptable on current consoles (different architecture).

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#14 ShadowDeathX
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Doubt it. In the worst scenario, the NX will perform similar to the Xbox One.

The only difference might be that Nintendo will use LPDDR3 or LPDDR4 RAM instead of DDR3/4 or GDDR5.

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#15  Edited By commander
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PS4 a 1080p console? lmao

the witcher 3 at 20 fps

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#16 j2zon2591
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@ShadowDeathX said:

Doubt it. In the worst scenario, the NX will perform similar to the Xbox One.

The only difference might be that Nintendo will use LPDDR3 or LPDDR4 RAM instead of DDR3/4 or GDDR5.

So roughly X1 without eSRAM?

Less consumption, newer node = smaller machine, smaller power supply, cheaper.

Maybe.

Probably makes little sense to perform much lower than the X1 because why would more chose that version over the X1's.

@bobrossperm said:

Nah it will be the worlds most powerful console at release. This thing was built to compete with the PS4 and X1 though, not the PS5 and X2.

Rumor:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1074926

NX is not aiming to compete on a power level

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#17  Edited By BobRossPerm
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@j2zon2591 said:

@bobrossperm said:

Nah it will be the worlds most powerful console at release. This thing was built to compete with the PS4 and X1 though, not the PS5 and X2.

Rumor:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1074926

NX is not aiming to compete on a power level

Well if this is indeed going to be their legit gen 9 platform, there goes another gen where they can't get next gen multiplats, resulting in the big releases for PS5 and X2 not coming to Nintendos console yet again. That's one of the main reasons the WiiU died.

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#18 ShadowDeathX
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@j2zon2591 said:
@ShadowDeathX said:

Doubt it. In the worst scenario, the NX will perform similar to the Xbox One.

The only difference might be that Nintendo will use LPDDR3 or LPDDR4 RAM instead of DDR3/4 or GDDR5.

So roughly X1 without eSRAM?

Less consumption, newer node = smaller machine, smaller power supply, cheaper.

Maybe.

Probably makes little sense to perform much lower than the X1 because why would more chose that version over the X1's.

Nintendo has designed their Wii and Wii U consoles with eDRAM. I highly doubt it will change with the NX.

8GB of LPDDR3 + whatever amount of eDRAM Nintendo puts on the APU.

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#19 j2zon2591
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@ShadowDeathX said:
@j2zon2591 said:
@ShadowDeathX said:

Doubt it. In the worst scenario, the NX will perform similar to the Xbox One.

The only difference might be that Nintendo will use LPDDR3 or LPDDR4 RAM instead of DDR3/4 or GDDR5.

So roughly X1 without eSRAM?

Less consumption, newer node = smaller machine, smaller power supply, cheaper.

Maybe.

Probably makes little sense to perform much lower than the X1 because why would more chose that version over the X1's.

Nintendo has designed their Wii and Wii U consoles with eDRAM. I highly doubt it will change with the NX.

8GB of LPDDR3 + whatever amount of eDRAM Nintendo puts on the APU.

I see. I guess only a matter of time now to actually now the real specs.

TGS 2015 reveal or that timing's bad?

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#20  Edited By Razik
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The NX will be 1080p 60FPS with everything while the PS4 and X1 go between 1080p, 900p, 60FPS, 30FPS with some games hitting lower FPS

With some games like Forza 6 hitting 1080p 60FPS

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#21 j2zon2591
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@razik said:

The NX will be 1080p 60FPS with everything while the PS4 and X1 go between 1080p, 900p, 60FPS, 30FPS with some games hitting lower FPS

With some games like Forza 6 hitting 1080p 60FPS

So in order for them to achieve that, wouldn't that mean a more expensive console or same priced console with no gimmicks (gamepad)?

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#22 svaubel
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I just want Nintendo to make a console with no gimmicks. Im fine with paying $399 for a system. It doesnt matter whose brand it is.

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#23 deactivated-58ce94803a170
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I picked nope, i think NX will be 2k resolution.

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#25  Edited By j2zon2591
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@mesome713 said:

I picked nope, i think NX will be 2k resolution.

Maybe with 2D games or 3D games with PS2/OGXB assets?

@speak_low said:

720p/60fps will be fine. That will last all the way until 2020.

Maybe.. specially if NX is crazy aggressive with price.

$ 250 MSRP, +1 3rd party game + 1 1st party game, + ability to play all new multi-plats (Battlefront 3, CoDBO3, lastest sports games, Witcher 4, etc.) but at 720/768p.. worse res but same game and same image settings to PS4/X1 (LoD, shader quality, shadows, etc.).

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#26  Edited By deactivated-58ce94803a170
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@j2zon2591 said:
@mesome713 said:

I picked nope, i think NX will be 2k resolution.

Maybe with 2D games or 3D games with PS2/OGXB assets?

@speak_low said:

720p/60fps will be fine. That will last all the way until 2020.

Maybe.. specially if NX is crazy aggressive with price.

$ 250 MSRP, +1 3rd party game + 1 1st party game, + ability to play all new multi-plats (Battlefront 3, CoDBO3, lastest sports games, Witcher 4, etc.) but at 720/768p.. worse res but same game and same image settings to PS4/X1 (LoD, shader quality, shadows, etc.).

??? Wii U has games now that play in 1080p @60fps that blow PS3 out the water, not only that, it can Stream to a 480p Gamepad at the same time, like a boss. Wait till you see NX Smash Bros in 2K ;)

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#28 Telekill
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I doubt it. Nintendo is one generation behind; not two

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#29 deactivated-57d8401f17c55
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Nintendo's games will all be 1080p regardless of 3rd parties, thankfully. Honestly, I don't give a shit if Nintendo gets the multiplats, the majority of AAA games and the business practices just suck now. As long as Nintendo can support the console themselves, maybe with some 3rd party exclusives, I don't care.

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#30 2Chalupas
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@lamprey263 said:

Depends on what they want to make on it, but can't they already do 1080p/60fps on Wii U?

Even PS3/360 do 1080p/60fps in a few rare cases. So of course the Wii you "can" do that. But for a typical AAA multiplat, it would be stuck at 720p and 30fps just like PS3/360. Even PS4 isn't exactly nailing all games at 1080p/30fps, let alone 60fps.

It would be shockingly stupid if NX was substantially weaker than PS4/XB1 - but I'm not sure Nintendo is going to move the needle much beyond those consoles.

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#31  Edited By Raptor_Herc
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NX will do 4k... Netflix streaming.

On a more serious note, since quite a few Wii U games push 720p resolution, I would be surprised if the NX did not go beyond that level of detail.

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#32 ReadingRainbow4
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Atleast enough for stable 1080p. I mean c'mon it's going to be 2016.

If nintendo pulls the 720/760p card It's going to be a massive fail.

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#33 the_master_race
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@commander said:

PS4 a 1080p console? lmao

the witcher 3 at 20 fps

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#34 StrongBlackVine
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@razik: There is no way Nintendo is building a console that runs current gen games at 1080p/60fps. The are all about being affordable and that would make it more expensive than both PS4 and Xbox One. They don't eat losses on hardware either.

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#35 superbuuman
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1080p at 60fps is what I am expecting from NX especially coming in this late or early. :P

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#36 l34052
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There's no point nintendo making another console unless it absolutely makes the current big 2 look like pocket calculators in comparison, if it doesnt then they may as well stick with the wii u and save themselves a couple billion in development costs.

Id like to think nintendo know that building a PS4/bone level console would be financial suicide but looking at them of late you have to wonder....

I still maintain that nintendos new console will be markedly more powerful than the current gen machines.

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#37 Heil68
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I would hope it could be 1080 in gen 9, but we're talking about Nintendo here.

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#39 SoftwareGeek
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Graphical fidelity. Not huge jumps in it from 900p to 1080p. sorry moo cows. Games look about the same cross platform. Try harder OP.

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#40 Ribstaylor1
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I honestly can't even see it being an HD machine. If it is 720 will be where it sits most likely but with the idea floating around of it being a hand held and console with weak hardware I'm more inclined to think it's going to be just a standard definition. DOn't forget they've mentioned several times they'd like to bring in the more poor parts of the world into gaming and an HD machine isn't going to be affordable to anyone in those countries.

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@xhawk27 said:

Also maybe it can do more than 60fps in most games, because seriously, aside from brand loyalty (cough, playstation) why would that be ok in 2016?

More than 60fps?

Did you actually read that before you hit "enter" because it needs some work.

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#42 j2zon2591
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@ribstaylor1 said:

I honestly can't even see it being an HD machine. If it is 720 will be where it sits most likely but with the idea floating around of it being a hand held and console with weak hardware I'm more inclined to think it's going to be just a standard definition. DOn't forget they've mentioned several times they'd like to bring in the more poor parts of the world into gaming and an HD machine isn't going to be affordable to anyone in those countries.

Hm... forgot about that.

I was reading around the net a bit and there were rumors of just using ARM CPU not x86. Maybe that's for the handheld version at least.

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#43  Edited By FoxbatAlpha
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No mention of ESRam in OP. Stopped right there. Bye.

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#44 Yams1980
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1080p has been the native res for most tvs out since 2005 or earlier. There should be a law against selling hardware that can't do a bare minimum of 1080p, its 2015... we landed on Mars damnit.

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#45 iambatman7986
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I'm really hoping that the NX is more powerful than the PS4. It will be releasing around 3 years after the PS4 so I'd imagine the costs of making a system more powerful than the PS4 should be lower than what the PS4 was costing Sony at launch.

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#46 AzatiS
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No way NX to be 720p console

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#47  Edited By foxhound_fox
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The Wii U is a 720p60 console. If the NX is upgraded in any way, 1080p60 shouldn't be hard to achieve.

But we have to remember, the NX is not going to be either a console or a handheld. It's going to be a new brand that crosses multiple device archetypes... so it's power is going to vary depending on the type of device.

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#48 LadyBlue
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That would be beyond disappointing, but not surprising. :(

The WiiU launched 7/6 years later than the 360, & PS3. It still can't match sony's or MS last generation systems. We see plenty of games running better than the wiiu version. Have you seen how bad Revelations plays on it? It's a disgrace.

They should be able to make an affordable machine that can match or surpass the ps4.

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#49 emgesp
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Why bother releasing another under powered console?

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#50 LadyBlue
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@emgesp said:

Why bother releasing another under powered console?

Because nintendo, they prefer to sell dinosaur level tech consoles for maximum profits.