@BeardMaster said:
@ronvalencia said:
@BeardMaster said:
@ronvalencia said:
@BeardMaster said:
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@TheFadeForever said:
@BeardMaster:
Yes it can run windows
Without full specs its a crapshoot though, and with the ps4 and xbox one coming in at cost. They gotta make profit somewhere, unfortunately there is just no room for profit unless they cheap out on everything besides the gpu. Which would also explain why full specs arent available.
You don't know what you are talking about.
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/29tAI
CPU: AMD FX-4130 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($52.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Toshiba 500GB 2.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($50.68 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 270 2GB Video Card ($182.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: HEC Enterprise MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($9.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: CoolMax 600W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($19.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $426.61 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.) (Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-27 02:14 EST-0500)
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The above parts are retail prices and each part has a profit margin.
Use pcpartspicker.com to add other items.
I know exactly what im talking about, ibuypower always sells their pre built rigs at a premium to self built rigs. Find a single ibuypower rig, then compare the equivalent self built rig cost. They arent selling hardware to break even.
Not to mention it includes the cost of a controller.
My selected parts includes profit margins. iBuyPower's ASP (asking price) is higher than my selected parts.
Again, without the rebate scams, which allow lower sales prices than usual.
But even just checking your memory, looks to be $77 on newegg (and thats actually slower memory).
You should really include links.
Rebates are not scams. As for memory, I'm using 8GB DDR3 1600 Mhz memory on my Mini-ITX box that includes Intel Core i5-2500K with AMD Radeon HD R9-290.
1866Mhz DDR3 is faster than my LAN party box. For the cost, I don't see going beyond 1600 Mhz as a requirement for PS4 beating box (i.e. it's CPU has access to main memory via ~20 GB/s pipe) and the main focus should be with the GPU and it's VRAM.
My other rig has 16 GB DDR3 at 2133Mhz and it's crossfired with 7970 and 7950-900Mhz.
Rebates are scams in that there is a reason they offer rebates vs just reduced prices.
Companies expect profit off people that dont submit the rebates, fill them out incorrectly, or dont cash the rebate check.
and yea see the edit, i was recently trying to build my friend a new PC, and i noticed the memory costs were not even close to what you had budgeted. The memory you listed is sold out and unavailable to purchase, far cheaper than any memory i was able to find. I assume its because of some black friday sale that sold out quickly.
Not to mention the mobo you have only supports slow ass 1333 memory well below either console, so that ram is getting bottlenecked by the mobo. And it doesnt have a single usb 3.0 port.
Im sorry but consoles are selling at near cost, simple logic dictates its impossible for you to match performance while maintaining a healthy profit margin, which companies creating steam boxes require.
Sorry but yur shit PC build isnt gonna compete with consoles, can try your tricks on other consolites, but as a lifelong PC gamer, i know garbage components when i see em.
You may not like rebates, they are not scams. Please prove they are scams. As for the links, click on http://pcpartpicker.com/p/29tAI
For the 1866Mhz memory models, there are other alternatives close to $52.99 price range. refer to http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/memory/#z=8192&sort=a10&s=301600,301866,302000,302133,302400,302600,302666,302800,302933,303000
G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory = $54.99 , http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f32133c10d8gxm As of my posting's date and time, it's in stock.
MSI FM2-A55M-E33 = $29.99 http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-fm2a55me33 This mobo supports DDR3-1066/1333/1600/1866.
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Note that PS4's CPU is limited to 20 GB/s access to main memory. http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/154924-secrets-of-the-ps4-heavily-modified-radeon-supercharged-apu-design/2 Most of PS4's memory bandwidth is geared towards the GPU.
For the CPU side, PC's a dual channel DDR3-1333Mhz with 10GB/s x 2 = 20 GB/s would cover it. Like the PS4, R9-270 would carry most of the system bandwidth. R9-270's 2 GB GDDR5 VRAM is big enough for streaming data without being gimped like X1's 32 MB ESRAM.
The iBuyPower's Steam box wasn't designed to target top PC benchmarking scores , but targeted to deliver real 1080p gaming and beat PS4..
Please note that certain cows talks about being out-of- stock as a badge of honour.
Your $hit post doesn't compete with the following
1. actual capabilities of PS4's CPU's 20 GB/s access to memory.
2. downclock 1333Mhz memory bus with a real fat out-of-order X86 CPU. In terms practical results (i.e. frame rates and resolution), my LAN party PC with Intel Core i5-2500K (overclock disabled) + down clock 1333 Mhz memory with Radeon HD 7950-900Mhz beats X1 and PS4.
Any PC worth it's salt has the capability emulate a lesser PCs disprove $hit your claims.
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PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/29xMb Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/29xMb/by_merchant/ Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/29xMb/benchmarks/
CPU: AMD Athlon II X4 740 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI FM2-A55M-E33 Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($52.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Toshiba 500GB 2.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($50.68 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 270 2GB Video Card ($182.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: HEC Enterprise MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($9.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: CoolMax 600W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($19.99 @ Microcenter)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $434.60 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.) (Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-27 06:53 EST-0500)
It has enough margin between $434.60 to $499 for other items e.g. controller.
I don't see X1 or PS4's component quality being superior to the above PC build.
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