PC power doesn't matter when you have sub par animation

Look at the horrible animation of The Witcher

Compare that to Demon's Souls

See how much better the Animation is for Demon's Souls is? The animation is so much better that even if you crank the resolution and effects for the Witcher all the way up Demon's Souls is still the better looking game. How can this be? Demon Souls is a console game and the witcher is a PC exclusive! They're both low budget so there is no excuse.

So the next time somoene tells you "consoles are ruining.." this and "..only 512mb of ram" that, you tell them that animation and collision detection are way more important, and at that sort of thing is way more dependant on developer skill not the pricetag of your GPU.

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gmaster456

You're the one trolling and trying to derail my thread. If you don't agree then feel free to explain why.

Logic is horribly flawed, you are expressing a completely situational scenario based on the developer rather than the system. The thing is in that situation the system wasn't a limiting factor, when there are so many other factors that are system-dependent.

Its of the things that really bothered me when this gen started.... Look at old games like Fight Night 3 compare to what they have now.... its a huge improvement. Even looking at a game like Crysis had sub par charater animation, though they are much improved in Crysis 2. A game need good animation, and physics, if it wants to have good graphics.

Logic is horribly flawed, you are expressing a completely situational scenario based on the developer rather than the systemDiviniuz

Developer skill is more important then system specs in other words.

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Pray_to_me

You're the one trolling and trying to derail my thread. If you don't agree then feel free to explain why.

That's what you call the Aurora Engine. Try harder.

[QUOTE="Diviniuz"]Logic is horribly flawed, you are expressing a completely situational scenario based on the developer rather than the systemPray_to_me

Developer skill is more important then system specs in other words.

One situation can't be applied to everyhing

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gmaster456

You're the one trolling and trying to derail my thread. If you don't agree then feel free to explain why.

And yet everyday here somone says a 2007 game is "graphics king"...

Try actual debate instead of just slander.

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[QUOTE="Pray_to_me"]

You're the one trolling and trying to derail my thread. If you don't agree then feel free to explain why.

Pray_to_me

And yet everyday here somone says a 2007 game is "graphics king"...

Try actual debate instead of just slander.

lol wut? :P slander? I thought we were talking about The Witcher not Crysis. My bad

You are cherry-picking here. Furthermore, The Witcher was based on a very old Bioware engine that was completely revamped, but was still heavily dated.

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[QUOTE="Pray_to_me"]

You're the one trolling and trying to derail my thread. If you don't agree then feel free to explain why.

Pray_to_me

And yet everyday here somone says a 2007 game is "graphics king"...

Try actual debate instead of just slander.

You are cherry-picking here. Furthermore, The Witcher was based on a very old Bioware engine that was completely revamped, but was still heavily dated.

lundy86_4

But shouldent the superior ram of the PC overide that fact? Or is a systems specs only a fraction of the factors that determines a games aesthetics?

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[QUOTE="Pray_to_me"]

You're the one trolling and trying to derail my thread. If you don't agree then feel free to explain why.

Pray_to_me

And yet everyday here somone says a 2007 game is "graphics king"...

Try actual debate instead of just slander.

Using your own logic, that would mean that the PS3 is a crummy console compared to the X360 because the animations in Valkyria Chronicles are far worse than the animations in Halo Reach.

But shouldent the superior ram of the PC overide that fact? Or is a systems specs only a fraction of the factors that determines a games aesthetics?

Pray_to_me

What would the RAM have to do with anything regarding that? If the engine is dated, all your computer is gonna do is run it at crazy FPS. It won't magically increase texture resolutions, provide better animation, character detail etc etc.

Said 2007 game also has better animation than your 2009 console game. Ace6301

I don't agree. But to each

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You are cherry-picking here. Furthermore, The Witcher was based on a very old Bioware engine that was completely revamped, but was still heavily dated.

Pray_to_me

But shouldent the superior ram of the PC overide that fact? Or is a systems specs only a fraction of the factors that determines a games aesthetics?

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But shouldent the superior ram of the PC overide that fact? Or is a systems specs only a fraction of the factors that determines a games aesthetics?

lundy86_4

What would the RAM have to do with anything regarding that? If the engine is dated, all your computer is gonna do is run it at crazy FPS. It won't magically increase texture resolutions, provide better animation, character detail etc etc.

Exactly

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[QUOTE="Pray_to_me"]

But shouldent the superior ram of the PC overide that fact? Or is a systems specs only a fraction of the factors that determines a games aesthetics?

Pray_to_me

What would the RAM have to do with anything regarding that? If the engine is dated, all your computer is gonna do is run it at crazy FPS. It won't magically increase texture resolutions, provide better animation, character detail etc etc.

Exactly

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[QUOTE="Pray_to_me"]

But shouldent the superior ram of the PC overide that fact? Or is a systems specs only a fraction of the factors that determines a games aesthetics?

Pray_to_me

What would the RAM have to do with anything regarding that? If the engine is dated, all your computer is gonna do is run it at crazy FPS. It won't magically increase texture resolutions, provide better animation, character detail etc etc.

Exactly

So you stated the obvious... Where do we go from here? Things like animation are going to be down to better engines, things like Mo-Cap which can be expensive for devs etc. You used a fairly low-budget PC game running on an old and dated engine. All you managed to show was that you are trying to stick in a generally lower quality (in terms of design) game against a game that came a few years after and is a 2nd party title (?).

Animation is more important then aliasing buffering and all that mumbo jumbo.

Animation is more important then aliasing buffering and all that mumbo jumbo.

Pray_to_me

Animation is more important then aliasing buffering and all that mumbo jumbo.

Pray_to_me

Animation is more important then aliasing buffering and all that mumbo jumbo.

Pray_to_me

Epic fail at trolling TC.

Your logic is basically saying "game X" vs "game B" clearly proves that PCs epic graphic capabilities are irrelevant, which is clearly a flawed test of your hypothesis.

How about: game X on both systems? BC2 for example is in a different league on PC, to the point that I would scoff at it on console.

Or are you honestly suggesting that the PC isn't capable of Demon Souls animation quality? Watch a BF3 video plox.

If you love the consoles thats fine, but trying to invalidate a clearly superior platform with obviously flawed logic is trite and comes off as mere jealousy.

Animation is more important then aliasing buffering and all that mumbo jumbo.

Pray_to_me

Just because a PC can be more powerful then consoles doesn't mean that some games on consoles can look better then some games on PC.

This is like saying the power of PS3 and 360 don't matter because Twilight Princess has better animations than Fable II, so clearly the Wii is better.

Just because a PC can be more powerful then consoles doesn't mean that some games on consoles can look better then some games on PC.

Pray_to_me

Yes, when talking subjectively (usually when talking artistically). Objectively, that would be difficult because you'd need to measure it in order to determine if its factual (usually done on the technical aspect).

TC you are basically just using subjective reasoning and coming to a conclusion all to yourself. Good on ya!

Just because a PC can be more powerful then consoles doesn't mean that some games on consoles can look better then some games on PC.

Pray_to_me

Just because a PC can be more powerful then consoles doesn't mean that some games on consoles can look better then some games on PC.

Pray_to_me

The problem with consoles aren't the graphics, its the controls. 2 analog sticks and a few buttons aren't enough to create A) a good UI and B) a PC-level deep game.

That is why consoles ruin games. More memory/cpu would allow devs to create more AI/open worlds, but the real issue is definitely the controls.

Other than that consoles are A:OK.

Yet the Witcher is probably the best RPG to come out this gen so far.

Those two .gifs make a terrible comparison.

Yet the Witcher is probably the best RPG to come out this gen so far.

jasonharris48

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Just because a PC can be more powerful then consoles doesn't mean that some games on consoles can look better then some games on PC.

lundy86_4

Yes, when talking subjectively (usually when talking artistically). Objectively, that would be difficult because you'd need to measure it in order to determine if its factual (usually done on the technical aspect).

TC you are basically just using subjective reasoning and coming to a conclusion all to yourself. Good on ya!

You can hook up a machine to a game and it can analyize FPS, resolution AA methods, but unfortunately there's no machine that coould possibly count the animations in a game. The animations in a game the amount and the quality is quantifiable and not subjective but you can't just have access to that information by checking out the latest link at Lens of Truth but I could say for example that MGS4 has like 4 times the animations that Crysis does (not even including cut scenes) I could say that because I've played both games in their entirety.

Yet the Witcher is probably the best RPG to come out this gen so far.

jasonharris48

I think it's pretty horrid.

[QUOTE="lettuceman44"]Didn't Demon Souls come out like, two years after the Witcher. Just look at the Witcher 2.ferret-gamer

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Yet the Witcher is probably the best RPG to come out this gen so far.

-Unreal-

I think all games now a days should have good animations, more so then just trying to improve the graphics. Look at games like TES,Fallout,Metro, all decent looking games, but have bad animations. I dont think you should single out the PC here, since you will find games with horrible animation in all platforms.

You can hook up a machine to a game and it can analyize FPS, resolution AA methods, but unfortunately there's no machine that coould possibly count the animations in a game. The animations in a game the amount and the quality is quantifiable and not subjective but you can't just have access to that information by checking out the latest link at Lens of Truth but I could say for example that MGS4 has like 4 times the animations that Crysis does (not even including cut scenes) I could say that because I've played both games in their entirety.

Pray_to_me

You can't see the woods for the tress and are overlooking my point. The point was that you are arbitrarily defining what is important in making a game look good. Furthermore, you are doing so by cherry-picking games to make your point, rather than looking at a reasonably sized sample. There are games with better animation on PC, but you are narrowing your focus way too much.

Why are you quantifying the amount of animations? What determines a full animation cycle? Who determines the quality of the animation? Do we go by smoothness? Amount? Degree of animation? Quality of animation? Realism of animation?What sorts of animations do we count? All are arbitrarily defined, and thus the count would likely be subjective as to what the person counting would deem necessary.

Just because a PC can be more powerful then consoles doesn't mean that some games on consoles can look better then some games on PC.

Pray_to_me