NaughtyDog reveals Uncharted 2 Graphics info. Drake rendered with 80k polygons

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#151 KingsMessenger
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There is no need to ever use that many polygons in real-time. Modern mapping techniques, in addition to different shader effects make it completely irrelevant to have ultra-high polygon models. Rendering resources are better used to apply those polygons to increase the view distance, or increase the Level of Detail. Naughty Dog are great developers, but this seriously this is just stupid. Very little is gained by doing things like this, and all they are doing is holding back other components of the rendering.
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#152 Ghoul_et_OMC
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[QUOTE="siddhu33"]

[QUOTE="TheCoreGamer_"] is that suppose to look better then uncharted 1? Martin_G_N

Uncharted 1 shots that aren't bullshots. Also, my PC is quite cheap.

P.S- Why aren't you flirting with the crazy Mexican hobo fanboy on Youtube??

HAHAHA...You have'nt even played Uncharted. That picture looks like a PS2/Xbox game...LOL.

You've must have had a pretty unique PS2
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#153 TheArmyGuy48
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Very little is gained by doing things like this, and all they are doing is holding back other components of the rendering.KingsMessenger
Very little was gained.........You mean.....like having a game which is almost unanimously praised as "Console Graphics King" by almost every video game reviewer and critic?
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#154 coltsfan4ever
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Thats crazy. Tuesday cant come fast enough for me to pick this game up. I absolutely loved the first one. Naughty Dog are one of the top 5 developers in the world imo.

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#155 AnnoyedDragon
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Why are people getting hyped over a number? Who cares how many polygons it uses, the end result is what counts. Developers don't aim to use the highest number of polygons, they aim to create the desired result with as few polygons as possible.

I don't know what poly count Crysis models use, if this is supposed to be higher then it seems like a waste to me, Crysis models looked great and did it with less.

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#156 KingsMessenger
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[QUOTE="KingsMessenger"]Very little is gained by doing things like this, and all they are doing is holding back other components of the rendering.TheArmyGuy48
Very little was gained.........You mean.....like having a game which is almost unanimously praised as "Console Graphics King" by almost every video game reviewer and critic?

It would have been that way whether they had 10,000 polygons or 200,000 polygons. The other aspects of the graphics are great. They could have been even better if they weren't wasting resources on unnecessary polygon counts.
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#157 KingsMessenger
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Why are people getting hyped over a number? Who cares how many polygons it uses, the end result is what counts. Developers don't aim to use the highest number of polygons, they aim to create the desired result with as few polygons as possible.

I don't know what poly count Crysis models use, if this is supposed to be higher then it seems like a waste to me, Crysis models looked great and did it with less.

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Crysis characters had between 8000 and 12000 polygons. They just devoted resources to things like "Wrinkle Mapping" and subsurface scattering skin shaders. End result is much better IMO.
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Who cares? There's a lot more to making models look good than polygon count. Crysis models blow away Uncharted models with a lot fewer polygons.

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#159 MassacreMonk
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Who cares? There's a lot more to making models look good than polygon count. Crysis models blow away Uncharted models with a lot fewer polygons.

-Tretiak

Yeah, 2 games you'll probably never play in your life, who cares.

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#160 -Tretiak
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[QUOTE="-Tretiak"]

Who cares? There's a lot more to making models look good than polygon count. Crysis models blow away Uncharted models with a lot fewer polygons.

MassacreMonk

Yeah, 2 games you'll probably never play in your life, who cares.

...? I've played Crysis and Uncharted.

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#161 ProjectPat187
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lol I swear you people crack me up always talking about the graphics in Uncharted 2, if ya'll think this game looks good I bet ya'll will crap in your pants if you saw Crysis on PC maxed out running at 1920x1200 16xAA 16xAF, no game on any console this generation will even come close
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#162 DragonfireXZ95
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I would say that Uncharted 2 isn't even up to par with Risen...

Notice how much bigger scale this game is than Uncharted 2.

Much less Crysis... The scale is still pretty high AND it looks much better.

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#163 Classic24
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uncharted 2 is better than crysis /thread, not to mention to idiots who talk about 2500x1600 16X AA, so how many of you can run crysis at this resolution? I thouught so lol about 2 percent of the human population

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lol I swear you people crack me up always talking about the graphics in Uncharted 2, if ya'll think this game looks good I bet ya'll will crap in your pants if you saw Crysis on PC maxed out running at 1920x1200 16xAA 16xAF, no game on any console this generation will even come closeProjectPat187

youre absolutely right, but how many ppl can achieve this with 60fps with pc hardware? probably less than 2 percent of the human population

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[QUOTE="ProjectPat187"]lol I swear you people crack me up always talking about the graphics in Uncharted 2, if ya'll think this game looks good I bet ya'll will crap in your pants if you saw Crysis on PC maxed out running at 1920x1200 16xAA 16xAF, no game on any console this generation will even come closeClassic24

youre absolutely right, but how many ppl can achieve this with 60fps with pc hardware? probably less than 2 percent of the human population

Just to clarify, do you realize how man people are in 2% of the world's population?
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[QUOTE="ProjectPat187"]lol I swear you people crack me up always talking about the graphics in Uncharted 2, if ya'll think this game looks good I bet ya'll will crap in your pants if you saw Crysis on PC maxed out running at 1920x1200 16xAA 16xAF, no game on any console this generation will even come closeClassic24

youre absolutely right, but how many ppl can achieve this with 60fps with pc hardware? probably less than 2 percent of the human population

2% of the human population is a lot actually.
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[QUOTE="ProjectPat187"]lol I swear you people crack me up always talking about the graphics in Uncharted 2, if ya'll think this game looks good I bet ya'll will crap in your pants if you saw Crysis on PC maxed out running at 1920x1200 16xAA 16xAF, no game on any console this generation will even come closeClassic24

youre absolutely right, but how many ppl can achieve this with 60fps with pc hardware? probably less than 2 percent of the human population

epic self quote fail. you should at least remember to switch accounts before you even try to troll. ps. crysis can run on custom very high @ 1680x1050 with no AA on a 700$ rig (my own) and 2% of the human population falls at about 20 million ;)
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#168 killzowned24
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Check out these cover animations! Uncharted 2 owns:)
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#169 GTR2addict
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plenty other games have nice cover animations, how are uncharted 2's better than Mass Effect's, GTA IV, GeOW...
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#170 killzowned24
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plenty other games have nice cover animations, how are uncharted 2's better than Mass Effect's, GTA IV, GeOW...GTR2addict
each time you pop out he takes a different position, other games dont do that and have the same thing over and over.
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#171 GTR2addict
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[QUOTE="GTR2addict"]plenty other games have nice cover animations, how are uncharted 2's better than Mass Effect's, GTA IV, GeOW...killzowned24
each time you pop out he takes a different position, other games dont do that and have the same thing over and over.

...don't think you've played Mass Effect, Shepard always changed his position depending on what side you were turned to, wether he was crouching, on the side of a wall...
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#172 killzowned24
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[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="GTR2addict"]plenty other games have nice cover animations, how are uncharted 2's better than Mass Effect's, GTA IV, GeOW...GTR2addict
each time you pop out he takes a different position, other games dont do that and have the same thing over and over.

...don't think you've played Mass Effect, Shepard always changed his position depending on what side you were turned to, wether he was crouching, on the side of a wall...

crouching is one thing but but drake can take like 5 different positions for crouch:)
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#173 toxicmog
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I am going to question to one thing, and that is wtf o.O He doesn't look 80,000..... Also the source comes from a video interview within the game, I will wait untill I play it. I am a game artist myself and there is no way a gams company would put 80,000 polygons which is almost 160,000 triangles into a single character. Normal Maps make up the most of any next generation game. I am going to wait and view the interview for myself when my copy arrives. Yes marcus pheonix is 16k tris in gears...the same as all the characters in UT vary between 10-16k
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[QUOTE="Classic24"]

[QUOTE="ProjectPat187"]lol I swear you people crack me up always talking about the graphics in Uncharted 2, if ya'll think this game looks good I bet ya'll will crap in your pants if you saw Crysis on PC maxed out running at 1920x1200 16xAA 16xAF, no game on any console this generation will even come closeGTR2addict

youre absolutely right, but how many ppl can achieve this with 60fps with pc hardware? probably less than 2 percent of the human population

epic self quote fail. you should at least remember to switch accounts before you even try to troll. ps. crysis can run on custom very high @ 1680x1050 with no AA on a 700$ rig (my own) and 2% of the human population falls at about 20 million ;)

more than two years later, of course you'd expect a 700dollar pc to run crysisat decent settings.
the hardware of consoles however, remain the same.
never the less, pc gaming is stillexpensive.

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#175 toxicmog
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Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, PS3, 2007

Main characters – ~20,000-30,000 polygons

Drake – ~30,000 polygons

Pirates – ~12,000-15,000 polygons

http://www.rsart.co.uk/2007/08/27/yes-but-how-many-polygons/

If any of you actually care how game art is made head on over to the polycount or game artist forums. Insomniac artists as well as some artists from epic games post up plenty of art work.

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#176 nunovlopes
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Here's a couple of screenshots of Red Alert 3 for the PC. Amazing aren't they? 1000x better than Uncharted 2 aren't they? Especially the 1st one! :D

Can you grasp the sarcasm in my post?

Cutscenes are like this, it's just a movie being played for you to watch. Cutscenes can't be used in graphics comparisons any more than these two screenshots can. Even if a game includes cutscenes with Pixar-like quality, they can't be used in graphics comparisons, it's a movie for crying out loud!

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#177 Tessellation
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RE5 character models look better.
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#178 killzowned24
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RE5 character models look better.Tessellation
too bad it has last gen animations.
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#179 lhughey
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thats great. But the new push as been towards textures, no polygons.
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#180 HuusAsking
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thats great. But the new push as been towards textures, no polygons.lhughey
It may push back towards polygons with developments in hardware tessellation and, of course, the next big step of realtime ray-tracing.
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#181 horgen  Moderator
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Poly count isn't everything...
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#182 AnnoyedDragon
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Poly count isn't everything... horgen123

Actually it is, polygons and textures make up pretty much everything on screen :P

Of course just because polygons are the foundation of graphics doesn't mean cramming more into something automatically makes it better.

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#183 nervmeister
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Of course just because polygons are the foundation of graphics doesn't mean cramming more into something automatically makes it better.

AnnoyedDragon

True. Just look at Modern Warfare series. Technically far from the meatiest graphically, but it looks damn realistic and impressive regardless thanks to some artistic decisions by Infinity Ward.

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#184 horgen  Moderator
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[QUOTE="horgen123"]Poly count isn't everything... AnnoyedDragon

Actually it is, polygons and textures make up pretty much everything on screen :P

Of course just because polygons are the foundation of graphics doesn't mean cramming more into something automatically makes it better.

You're last line is what I am referring to. Otherwise thanks for the laugh :lol:
Edit: Not meant to be insulting here.
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#185 mayforcebeyou
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i don't think as much as 80k in game probably for cutscenes or renders only. The atmosphere looks pretty detailed as well it would be hard. I might be wrong thoutgh
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#186 Classic24
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i dont think anyone expected uncharted 2 to have a 97 metacritic rating lol, BLOWN AWAY

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[QUOTE="Tessellation"]RE5 character models look better.killzowned24
too bad it has last gen animations.

What the hell does that have to do with this thread? He's right, RE5's models do look better, and I bet the are not 80,000 polys. I'm calling BS. Unless they are talking about certin cut scenes then I don't think this is correct.
I am going to question to one thing, and that is wtf o.O He doesn't look 80,000..... toxicmog
No, he doesn't look 80K at all. I think maybe in "some" scenes, that might be true, but not any of the gameplay.
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#189 Classic24
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dont mention that dissapointment resident evil 5 with the greatness of uncharted 2

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dont mention that dissapointment resident evil 5 with the greatness of uncharted 2

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To each their own sir, to each their own...
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#191 killzowned24
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dont mention that dissapointment resident evil 5 with the greatness of uncharted 2

Classic24
I know right the game doesnt even have streaming textures lol on top of its crap animations.
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#192 abuabed
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I don't care about those numbers, all I can say is that the game looks phenomenal, one of the best looking games on all systems. Its graphics wowed me more than or just as much as Crysis did. From my point of view of course. The graphics are beautiful, char models are top notch, environments are stunning, animations are smooth. Having another game that looks better than this won't let me change my mind about such masterpiece. [spoiler] I have already finished the game once, check my PSN for proof. [/spoiler]
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#193 agff9
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1st of all...what is a polygon ?
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#194 adman66
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="TheCoreGamer_"] because if im not mistaken, this is more then Crysis. PC owners owned.TheCoreGamer_
lulz, I cannot wait for a bunch of people to come post crysis screenshots and put U2 to shame :P

uncharted 2 looks way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crysis IMHO.

then you should upgrade your 5200fx gpu to something a little newer, then play crisis again
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#195 Classic24
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well when it comes to pc gaming only crysis has pushed the limits of graphics, i ask the question, is it worth it for one game? pretty good campaign, crappy multiplayer, so one game this generation in graphics is crysis which is unmatched but I ask the question again....is it worth it? pc gaming talks about great graphics but so far there has been only one game the past several years that has pushed hardware, the next jump isnt going to happen until 2012/2013 when the next consoles arrive...so i ask again.........is it worth it????

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[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="Tessellation"] too bad it has last gen animations.Shattered007
What the hell does that have to do with this thread? He's right, RE5's models do look better, and I bet the are not 80,000 polys. I'm calling BS. Unless they are talking about certin cut scenes then I don't think this is correct.
I am going to question to one thing, and that is wtf o.O He doesn't look 80,000..... toxicmog
No, he doesn't look 80K at all. I think maybe in "some" scenes, that might be true, but not any of the gameplay.

Lol, wax model.
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i dont think anyone expected uncharted 2 to have a 97 metacritic rating lol, BLOWN AWAY

Classic24

Still needs 40 or more reviews.

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#198 _Pedro_
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well when it comes to pc gaming only crysis has pushed the limits of graphics, i ask the question, is it worth it for one game? pretty good campaign, crappy multiplayer, so one game this generation in graphics is crysis which is unmatched but I ask the question again....is it worth it? pc gaming talks about great graphics but so far there has been only one game the past several years that has pushed hardware, the next jump isnt going to happen until 2012/2013 when the next consoles arrive...so i ask again.........is it worth it????

Classic24

only crysis? you think only crysis looks better than most console games? Have you forgotten about nearly all the multiplats released for both consoles and pcs?

and check the textures on this game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKHbtxmybmc&feature=related

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#199 15strong
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[QUOTE="Classic24"]

well when it comes to pc gaming only crysis has pushed the limits of graphics, i ask the question, is it worth it for one game? pretty good campaign, crappy multiplayer, so one game this generation in graphics is crysis which is unmatched but I ask the question again....is it worth it? pc gaming talks about great graphics but so far there has been only one game the past several years that has pushed hardware, the next jump isnt going to happen until 2012/2013 when the next consoles arrive...so i ask again.........is it worth it????

_Pedro_

only crysis? you think only crysis looks better than most console games? Have you forgotten about nearly all the multiplats released for both consoles and pcs?

and check the textures on this game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKHbtxmybmc&feature=related

tbh, that didn't look that good.

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#200 _Pedro_
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[QUOTE="_Pedro_"]

[QUOTE="Classic24"]

well when it comes to pc gaming only crysis has pushed the limits of graphics, i ask the question, is it worth it for one game? pretty good campaign, crappy multiplayer, so one game this generation in graphics is crysis which is unmatched but I ask the question again....is it worth it? pc gaming talks about great graphics but so far there has been only one game the past several years that has pushed hardware, the next jump isnt going to happen until 2012/2013 when the next consoles arrive...so i ask again.........is it worth it????

15strong

only crysis? you think only crysis looks better than most console games? Have you forgotten about nearly all the multiplats released for both consoles and pcs?

and check the textures on this game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKHbtxmybmc&feature=related

tbh, that didn't look that good.

You have to judge the visuals of a game in motion so check some of the other vids of the game and honestly, playing STALKER with the additional mods makes it look better than anything I've played except for crysis.

Which ofcourse can do things like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isvFY59DavA&feature=related