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#51 project343
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.... unless it's used properly.
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#52 yoshi_64
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They added something to me. Pointer plus Bows and Arrows= Headshots galor and precision not found with analog. Motion controls were nice, made the battles, especially Boss fights, more fun and was a refreshing approach tot he genre. Eji Aonuma said the next Zelda will take it further, cause this one was just a GC game with motion buttons. That's basically it, but Wii Zelda will rock. :D
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#53 Tylendal
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They added something to me. Pointer plus Bows and Arrows= Headshots galor and precision not found with analog. Motion controls were nice, made the battles, especially Boss fights, more fun and was a refreshing approach tot he genre. Eji Aonuma said the next Zelda will take it further, cause this one was just a GC game with motion buttons. That's basically it, but Wii Zelda will rock. :Dyoshi_64
I know what you mean. I stood up during the last boss fight in TP. And though my long range accuracy with the bow has gone down a bit (in MM I could have hit the pole on the watch tower without any difficulty) I'm much better at hitting moving targets.
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#54 GanonBuRAP
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Motion sensing is the future of gaming. 360 and ps3 are rehashing xbox and ps2 games, but with shinier graphics! yay! the wii is the only console to move in a new direction, and the sales are proof enough that people love it. That aside, look at how amazing mini-game type games are doing...warioware, rayman, and so forth. It's pretty insane thats not all though...the wii isn't a kiddy system or casual gaming system. The wii just started. We got some massive titles coming our way. We HAD zelda tp, and we still have ssbb, no more heroes, day of crisis, godfather, metroid prime 3, and no doubt once E3 comes rollin around this year, there are gonna be a truck load of games for serious gamers. and the motion controls will be there to make it that much better.
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#55 GanonBuRAP
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the wii isn't a gimmick. it's a console, and it's kickin major ass.
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#56 The_Nemacyst
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the wii isn't a gimmick. it's a console, and it's kickin major ass.GanonBuRAP
I said motion sensing is a gimmick. The Wii can be a good console, if it has GOOD GAMES.
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#57 MrPinktc
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[QUOTE="GanonBuRAP"]the wii isn't a gimmick. it's a console, and it's kickin major ass.The_Nemacyst
I said motion sensing is a gimmick. The Wii can be a good console, if it has GOOD GAMES.

Good luck man....60 sheep just came in and they look hungry.
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#58 The_Nemacyst
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[QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"][QUOTE="GanonBuRAP"]the wii isn't a gimmick. it's a console, and it's kickin major ass.MrPinktc
I said motion sensing is a gimmick. The Wii can be a good console, if it has GOOD GAMES.

Good luck man....60 sheep just came in and they look hungry.

Haha, I don't care. I always own them, and they can't own me. Because I don't like any consoles/pc's.
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#59 GanonBuRAP
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[QUOTE="MrPinktc"][QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"][QUOTE="GanonBuRAP"]the wii isn't a gimmick. it's a console, and it's kickin major ass.The_Nemacyst
I said motion sensing is a gimmick. The Wii can be a good console, if it has GOOD GAMES.

Good luck man....60 sheep just came in and they look hungry.

Haha, I don't care. I always own them, and they can't own me. Because I don't like any consoles/pc's.

Then why are you here
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#60 yoshi_64
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[QUOTE="MrPinktc"][QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"][QUOTE="GanonBuRAP"]the wii isn't a gimmick. it's a console, and it's kickin major ass.The_Nemacyst
I said motion sensing is a gimmick. The Wii can be a good console, if it has GOOD GAMES.

Good luck man....60 sheep just came in and they look hungry.

Haha, I don't care. I always own them, and they can't own me. Because I don't like any consoles/pc's.

Well that's certainly one arrogant and most importantly, retarded statement ever. Cause you don't like any consoles or PCs? Well then, why the hell are you on a GAMING forum? :| As for that, the Wii has good games, and since it's SW, a 7.0+ equals "good" and the Wii has many.
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#61 taker42
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[QUOTE="MrPinktc"][QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"][QUOTE="GanonBuRAP"]the wii isn't a gimmick. it's a console, and it's kickin major ass.The_Nemacyst
I said motion sensing is a gimmick. The Wii can be a good console, if it has GOOD GAMES.

Good luck man....60 sheep just came in and they look hungry.

Haha, I don't care. I always own them, and they can't own me. Because I don't like any consoles/pc's.

You don't like gaming?
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#62 Idonomeus
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I liked them at first. Then the novelty wore off and I realised just how limited and unaccurate they were as a control method.
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#63 MrPinktc
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[QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"][QUOTE="MrPinktc"][QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"][QUOTE="GanonBuRAP"]the wii isn't a gimmick. it's a console, and it's kickin major ass.taker42
I said motion sensing is a gimmick. The Wii can be a good console, if it has GOOD GAMES.

Good luck man....60 sheep just came in and they look hungry.

Haha, I don't care. I always own them, and they can't own me. Because I don't like any consoles/pc's.

You don't like gaming?

I think he means he is not a fanboy of any console like me I just defend the PS3 more because it gets too much hate. XBL is a rip off though XD
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#64 GanonBuRAP
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Lol i don't think The_Nemacyst will be replying. "I can't be owned because I hate everything ahahha im so fulfilled." rofl get the hell off of SW
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#65 machitocaliente
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TEARS. IT DSNT MATER IF YOU NEED THEM, A LOT OF PEOPLE HATE RETRO GAMEPADS. ITS A STEP IN THE WRIGHT DIRECTION. YOU ARE LIVING IN THE PAST. MY FRIEND
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#66 blackpretttyboy
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i agree 100%
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#67 The_Nemacyst
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[QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"][QUOTE="MrPinktc"][QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"][QUOTE="GanonBuRAP"]the wii isn't a gimmick. it's a console, and it's kickin major ass.yoshi_64
I said motion sensing is a gimmick. The Wii can be a good console, if it has GOOD GAMES.

Good luck man....60 sheep just came in and they look hungry.

Haha, I don't care. I always own them, and they can't own me. Because I don't like any consoles/pc's.

Well that's certainly one arrogant and most importantly, retarded statement ever. Cause you don't like any consoles or PCs? Well then, why the hell are you on a GAMING forum? :| As for that, the Wii has good games, and since it's SW, a 7.0+ equals "good" and the Wii has many.

I love gaming, just I don't find any particular console "great" Games are great, just not the consoles.
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#68 The_Nemacyst
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Anyways, if you look at my threads, you'll find out that I bash every console out there... But you will also find out that I will never ever bash honorable games such as: Halo, WC3, Diablo, GTA, GoW, GeoW etc..
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#69 fartgorilla
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A controller is a controller...tell me why I can't make the exact same argument against analog sticks or a m/kb.
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#70 -supercharged-
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Motion sensing brings alot to gameplay
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#71 blackpretttyboy
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Motion sensing brings alot to gameplay-supercharged-
ok all games bring alot of gameplay . what u are saying is not so smart
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#72 flazzle
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[QUOTE="-supercharged-"]Motion sensing brings alot to gameplayblackpretttyboy
ok all games bring alot of gameplay . what u are saying is not so smart

He said 'Motion sensing brings alot TO gameplay' not 'bring alot OF gameplay.' Your comprehensive skills are not so smart.
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#73 Metrovania
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You're forgetting the fact that certain games are getting things done to them thanks to the controller that would simply be impossible on the other current gen consoles. The Wii-mote is great, not because it maps button presses to motions, but because it allows greater control over the game. There are only so many combinations of buttons that can be intuitively used to add control over the character and the game world; whereas with the Wii-mote you can map very complex moves that simply couldn't be done on a regular controller to a simple gesture. Look at MP3 and it's grapple beam - I'd imagine it would be rather unintuitive to implement the beam as a weapon with a regular controller since every button on the GC controller was used in the first 2 MP games; on the Wii however, a simple flick of the nunchuk and a whole new play mechanic is born!! The Wii-mote also allows a whole new level of interactivity and multi-tasking to the game world. Look at SMG, for example: there you can do every move you ever could in a Mario game (plus a few new moves courtesy of the nunchuk) while simultaneously interacting with the environment with the Wii-mote pointer function. This would simply be impossible to d with a regular control. Even 3rd parties are beginning to use the Wii-mote to add things to ports than weren't in the original game. For example MoH:V on the Wii has every single move that can be done on the PS2 version, plus the addition of 180 degree spin thanks to the nunchuk. True, this game probably won't be particularly good, but this is an example of motion sensing not simply being used to replace a button command; but to add greater control over the character. Almost every game that has come out this gen could be done on the Wii. It's true that Oblivion would need graphics more on par with Elder Scrolls III, but the gameplay could basically make the move untouched. GeoW could be done with roughly Chronicles of Riddick-level graphics (given a dedicated developer) and no real gameplay downgrade. However, MP3 and SMG simply could not intuitively be done on the 360/PS3. In both cases the gameplay would need to be altered significantly in order to bring them to the other current-gen consoles. At least that's the way I see it.
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#74 Ontain
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Do you need it? No. you don't need HD either right? or blu-ray, or analog, or rumble, or graphics. we can still play board games or the nes. Does it make games better? Yes. would wii sports be as fun if you used buttons? how about Rayman? No they wouldn't, thus the wiimote made them better.
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#75 Sinheart
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buttons are a gimmick you don't need them in wii sports tennis, boxing or baseball
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#76 flazzle
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I dont know why game companies just don't abandon controllers and pack keyboards. You can do everything with a keyboard.
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#77 Metrovania
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I dont know why game companies just don't abandon controllers and pack keyboards. You can do everything with a keyboard.flazzle
They are useless for platformers, fighters and racers.
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#78 chrisdojo
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COMPLETE motion sensing (as on the wii) is not a gimick. it's a new way to play games. now, if you are talking about the sixaxis that has partial motion sensing, now you're talking gimicks.
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#79 TNT_Slug
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[QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"][QUOTE="OGTiago"]HD graphics = GIMMICK does it make the game better? no. *eats mario mushroom*

Except the fact that you can see things clearer, and so thus in RPG games you can be more immersed as if you were watching a movie. Let's see raw power, does a lot more than "HD Graphics" Physics, Draw Distance, AI majorly effect gameplay.

That's hypocrisy. Halo fanboys, a.k.a. typical gfx whores, did pretty much enjoy reading the Halo novels, even though they have, guess what, zero graphics power. Immersion doesn't require graphics at all.
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#80 UDA1983
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I agree with what you trying to say about after a while you don't realize what kind of controls you're using... But then again that can be said about Graphics too, once you start playing and old game for a while you start to forget you playing a game with out-dated visuals and just enjoy the game. In the end the things that REALLY MATTER are Gameplay which although It doesn't depend too much on what kind of controller you're using, the actual controller can "limit" what kind of gameplay is possible... Sound plays another huge rol, although some people might not take this into consideration it really immerses you into the game and can make you feel certain was depending on the plot. And at last the plot or story, although not as important in some games, a good story REALLY HELPS and can make the game even more memorable...
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#81 Tylendal
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[QUOTE="GanonBuRAP"]the wii isn't a gimmick. it's a console, and it's kickin major ass.The_Nemacyst
I said motion sensing is a gimmick. The Wii can be a good console, if it has GOOD GAMES.

Which it does, and nothing you say is going to change that. If just don't happen to like them, then don't buy any.
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#82 OhhSnap50893
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Going by that theory you don't 'need' HD either. So let's go back to playing our NES's, shall we? And while TP may not need motion sensing, Wii Sports would be just another sports game without it. With motion sensing, Wii Sports is one of the best Wii titles out right now.
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#83 OhhSnap50893
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Oh, and if Warioware sucked then how come it got AAA? Buh, buh, teh bias! ... no.
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#84 Jrob2k8
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Do you need it? No.

Does it make games better? No.

Motion Sensing is a gimmick. You don't need it. It's like the HD-DVD Add on for the XBox360.. Worthless (in the bad way)

I'll give you an example. Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess.

You don't need motion sensing. Once you forget about the movements that you have to do, you will probably so immersed inside the game you forgot all about it.

You can play LoZ:TP on the Gamecube, and have the same experience.

For non-wii owners, I'll explain it this way. When you first played a new game with entirely different controls then you are used to, you fidget on the controls a bunch, and you seem to always think of what button to press. But later on, once you have gotten use to it, it flows freely and you have forgotten all about the controls/movements that you have to do with your fingers. Same for the Wiimote. You will get use to it.

But does it create a new genre of games? = Yes.

I believe the only argument the sheep have with this motionsensing stuff is that it creates different genre's of games.. But no one cares about these games anyways, and they aren't better then the classic games like MGS, Halo, WC:3.

These games I am talking about is games such as :WarioWare, CookingMama, Trauma Center. These games are in a different category exclusively for motionsensing, but who really cares about them anyways? They suck.

So do we really need Motion Sensing? No.

Unless you want to play games like Cooking Mama, then fine.

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#85 jackassultima
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[QUOTE="OGTiago"]HD graphics = GIMMICK does it make the game better? no. *eats mario mushroom*

True
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#86 rowzzr
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[QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"]

Do you need it? No.

Does it make games better? No.

Motion Sensing is a gimmick. You don't need it. It's like the HD-DVD Add on for the XBox360.. Worthless (in the bad way)

I'll give you an example. Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess.

You don't need motion sensing. Once you forget about the movements that you have to do, you will probably so immersed inside the game you forgot all about it.

You can play LoZ:TP on the Gamecube, and have the same experience.

For non-wii owners, I'll explain it this way. When you first played a new game with entirely different controls then you are used to, you fidget on the controls a bunch, and you seem to always think of what button to press. But later on, once you have gotten use to it, it flows freely and you have forgotten all about the controls/movements that you have to do with your fingers. Same for the Wiimote. You will get use to it.

But does it create a new genre of games? = Yes.

I believe the only argument the sheep have with this motionsensing stuff is that it creates different genre's of games.. But no one cares about these games anyways, and they aren't better then the classic games like MGS, Halo, WC:3.

These games I am talking about is games such as :WarioWare, CookingMama, Trauma Center. These games are in a different category exclusively for motionsensing, but who really cares about them anyways? They suck.

So do we really need Motion Sensing? No.

Unless you want to play games like Cooking Mama, then fine.

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100% correct. Motion adds nothing to gaming. Its a waste of time and money.

i'd rather pay $250 on a console with fun games than pay $600 on a console with nothing but a suck-on-this--blue-ray-format that nobody really needs - and if i wanted to watch great cinematics, i'd just watch a movie, pay less and enjoy myself. yeah, go try to justify your $600 waste of money. "You will get used to it" --> well, duh. everybody will in time with whatever controller you bring up.
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#87 Dr_Corndog
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Actually, yes. I loved the motion sensing the entire way through TP. Every time I pulled out my bow, I thought, wow, I can't go back. Then I got to the fishing game, and I went nuts. I popped in Wind Waker after I'd finished TP, and I started hitting a button to swing Link's sword. I thought, wow, it doesn't feel like I'm even doing anything. It feels so artificial now.
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#88 jaminator45
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To the OP, the 360 hd-dvd addon is not a waste of money if you want to watch hd-dvds
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#89 Darthmatt
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Once upon a time I'm sure people said the motor car was a gimick.
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#90 KungfuKitten
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Humanity doesn't need videogames does it? Games don't need screens to create visuals, we don't need controllers to control games and we don't need an operating system to use a PC. We don't need something in order for it to be useful. I don't see how pointing out how unnecesary motion sensing is, can show us how little it brings to the table. That we get used to the control system is actually welcome. The wiimote is easier to get in to, to get used to and harder to perfect. It's essential we forget about the controls during a game for the ultimate experience, but the way we control a game does have an everlasting impact on the way we experience it. I think this sounds confusing because we are used to the idea of consciousness determining our experience, because consciousness is ultimately what we experience, and what we are aware of that influenced our experience. But it seems the subconscious (which we named separate but in my opinion should be named as a part of our consciousness) can support our next moment of experience. Something that is less existent in our awareness can still have an incredible impact on its outcome, like a bullet we don't see coming.

Please note Trauma Center and WarioWare are popular series. I expect many people will disagree (which doesn't mean anyone is wrong). Personally i dislike warioware, and trauma center, because i don't like the quirkiness/humor or focus on malfunctioning bodies.

If people don't care about new genres, then in what direction should gaming go? I find it hard to predict what new genres will be created, even harder to tell whether they will be popular or not. By the way I wouldn't expect the first of a genre to be the best either.

Motion sensing doesn't need to create new genres to evolve gaming however. It can add options to existing genres (opening a door as far as You want), change the efficiency of control (one hand instead of two, or grouped functions under one button in a certain position), add or detract from realism (realistic aiming, carrying a house) or impact of a gaming sequence (being forced to make the movement of slicing Your loved ones throat in a scene).
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#91 StealthSting
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If people don't care about new genres, then in what direction should gaming go?
KungfuKitten


If only some people actually reflected on that.