More patching problems on 360: Konami cancels Silent Hill HD patch on 360

The error was server side, IE didn't require a title update.

razgriz_101

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http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2009/03/20/sony-now-charging-publishers-for-ps3-downloadable-content/

Sony's fees add a new expense. For a demo that is sized at exactly 1GB and is downloaded one million times, that would add an extra $160,000 that Sony is now charging and that, according to publishing sources, Microsoft isn't. That's what could scare publishers from placing content on the PS

yeeah...lets see how we spin this one, effectively Sony's worse in senses you cant try before you buy stop posting drivel btw your giving an immense band a bad name,

razgriz_101

Edit: NVm, seems to be for full retail games. Fine by me, those greedy publishers should have to pay.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

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http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2009/03/20/sony-now-charging-publishers-for-ps3-downloadable-content/

Sony's fees add a new expense. For a demo that is sized at exactly 1GB and is downloaded one million times, that would add an extra $160,000 that Sony is now charging and that, according to publishing sources, Microsoft isn't. That's what could scare publishers from placing content on the PS

yeeah...lets see how we spin this one, effectively Sony's worse in senses you cant try before you buy stop posting drivel btw your giving an immense band a bad name,

senses_fail_06

Edit: NVm, seems to be for full retail games. Fine by me, those greedy publishers should have to pay.

hahah keep defending Sony, it means less demos which means you need to rely more on sites like this.If thats your thing then fair play but i like demo's and cheaper content, this cost still hits you in the pocket regardless of how you try spinning it.

Its not a popular move with publishers, you know the folks who make or break a system.

And its not rare its a cost for every piece of content uploaded to PSN.Its a pisspoor method worse than this patching stuff that you cant even provide a link for.

[QUOTE="senses_fail_06"]

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

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http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2009/03/20/sony-now-charging-publishers-for-ps3-downloadable-content/

Sony's fees add a new expense. For a demo that is sized at exactly 1GB and is downloaded one million times, that would add an extra $160,000 that Sony is now charging and that, according to publishing sources, Microsoft isn't. That's what could scare publishers from placing content on the PS

yeeah...lets see how we spin this one, effectively Sony's worse in senses you cant try before you buy stop posting drivel btw your giving an immense band a bad name,

razgriz_101

Edit: NVm, seems to be for full retail games. Fine by me, those greedy publishers should have to pay.

hahah keep defending Sony, it means less demos which means you need to rely more on sites like this.If thats your thing then fair play but i like demo's and cheaper content, this cost still hits you in the pocket regardless of how you try spinning it.

Its not a popular move with publishers, you know the folks who make or break a system.

And its not rare its a cost for every piece of content uploaded to PSN.Its a pisspoor method worse than this patching stuff that you cant even provide a link for.

Haven't downloaded a demo in over a year. I seriously can't remember the last one I played.

Not sure how this is costing me $$$...I don't think Sony has taken any money away from my bank account or charged me more for games.

Doubt publishers will jump ship because of this...none have so far.

No the patching stuff is much worse. Fez is a broken game, left broken, because the studio couldn't afford to pay M$ money for a patch. If you need a link for the 40k thing, I can get one. I heard it on the bombcast, but its not like a big secret. Just ask :wink:

[QUOTE="senses_fail_06"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Already fixed

"Update: 5th Cell has told Joystiq the issue has been fixed, and the game will be back on Xbox Live tonight. Creative director Jeremiah Slaczka issued this statement:

'We have worked with Microsoft to diagnose and resolve the server issue surrounding Hybrid. Our entire team appreciates the overwhelming response of fans logging in on day-1 and for bearing with us during this short downtime. We expect a smooth gameplay experience from here on out.'"

Damn Microsoft, working with a developer to get a game's issues resolved within hours of the problems being reported! :x

razgriz_101

http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2009/03/20/sony-now-charging-publishers-for-ps3-downloadable-content/

Sony's fees add a new expense. For a demo that is sized at exactly 1GB and is downloaded one million times, that would add an extra $160,000 that Sony is now charging and that, according to publishing sources, Microsoft isn't. That's what could scare publishers from placing content on the PS

yeeah...lets see how we spin this one, effectively Sony's worse in senses you cant try before you buy stop posting drivel btw your giving an immense band a bad name,

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="senses_fail_06"] Sounds rare, how many games would qualify for that? Does Sony make their exclusive partners pay?

Edit: NVm, seems to be for full retail games. Fine by me, those greedy publishers should have to pay.

senses_fail_06

hahah keep defending Sony, it means less demos which means you need to rely more on sites like this.If thats your thing then fair play but i like demo's and cheaper content, this cost still hits you in the pocket regardless of how you try spinning it.

Its not a popular move with publishers, you know the folks who make or break a system.

And its not rare its a cost for every piece of content uploaded to PSN.Its a pisspoor method worse than this patching stuff that you cant even provide a link for.

Haven't downloaded a demo in over a year. I seriously can't remember the last one I played.

Not sure how this is costing me $$$...I don't think Sony has taken any money away from my bank account or charged me more for games.

Doubt publishers will jump ship because of this...none have so far.

No the patching stuff is much worse. Fez is a broken game, left broken, because the studio couldn't afford to pay M$ money for a patch. If you need a link for the 40k thing, I can get one. I heard it on the bombcast, but its not like a big secret. Just ask :wink:

the cost gets added to things like content, do you think companies lie down and take these hits?

I honestly think that paying for every patch after 1 initial patch is a good thing, forces better quality control practices.Besides the Fez developer is a total plank and an arrogant schmuck so i just think its good old karmaic retribution.

Still least when your spouting provide links helps your arguement, and once again please stop tainting a good bands name with your seemingly infinite amounts of drivel.

I would rather be able to play Witcher 2, Fable Journey, Mass Effect 3 KINECT, Crimson Dragon, Haunt, Forza Horizon, Halo 4, Alan Wake AN, Battleblock Theater, Deadlight, Dust Elysian Tale,Gears of War Judgement, Ryse,Trials Evolution,Spelunky, FEZ, Mincecraft,Dungeon Fighter Live etc

than have zero games to play and a patch for a game i have no interest in

I would rather be able to play Witcher 2, Fable Journey, Mass Effect 3 KINECT, Crimson Dragon, Haunt, Forza Horizon, Halo 4, Alan Wake AN, Battleblock Theater, Deadlight, Dust Elysian Tale,Gears of War Judgement, Ryse,Trials Evolution,Spelunky, FEZ, Mincecraft,Dungeon Fighter Live etc

than have zero games to play and a patch for a game i have no interest in

loosingENDS

what bout people like me who have intrest in this game but havent purchased it due to issues?

Mass Effect 3 Kinect arguement is still worth a laugh though.

I'm confused, why is it having problems exactly? Is it technical or just MS being douches to the devs again? The OP was just a rant, it didn't really say anything. Either way it doesn't matter, it's not right for people to have to put up with this kind of stuff, especially if the consumer is paying for XBL. This should not happen when they are forced to pay for a service.

[QUOTE="senses_fail_06"]

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

hahah keep defending Sony, it means less demos which means you need to rely more on sites like this.If thats your thing then fair play but i like demo's and cheaper content, this cost still hits you in the pocket regardless of how you try spinning it.

Its not a popular move with publishers, you know the folks who make or break a system.

And its not rare its a cost for every piece of content uploaded to PSN.Its a pisspoor method worse than this patching stuff that you cant even provide a link for.

razgriz_101

Haven't downloaded a demo in over a year. I seriously can't remember the last one I played.

Not sure how this is costing me $$$...I don't think Sony has taken any money away from my bank account or charged me more for games.

Doubt publishers will jump ship because of this...none have so far.

No the patching stuff is much worse. Fez is a broken game, left broken, because the studio couldn't afford to pay M$ money for a patch. If you need a link for the 40k thing, I can get one. I heard it on the bombcast, but its not like a big secret. Just ask :wink:

the cost gets added to things like content, do you think companies lie down and take these hits?

I honestly think that paying for every patch after 1 initial patch is a good thing, forces better quality control practices.Besides the Fez developer is a total plank and an arrogant schmuck so i just think its good old karmaic retribution.

Still least when your spouting provide links helps your arguement, and once again please stop tainting a good bands name with your seemingly infinite amounts of drivel.

They would seemingly have to.

You think EA will release a MP pack for $3 more on PS3 than 360...forget about it. That sh*t would be blown up with people bit*hing and sites like Kotaku and GB would kill it with negative pub.

Yeah that's cute. Fish is a bit*h...but you're punishing the people who bough the game. The patch was done, Fish didn't suffer at all. Forces quality practices? What a joke. Games have so many lines of codes. You can play a game 1000 different times and not find a bug that can occur at one point or another. It really sucks when it breaks your save in the case of Fez.

Thought it was common knowledge. You should listen to the bombcast, it's one of the few places you can go to get real insider talk about what actually goes down. Again, ask for a link if you don't believe.

I don't know what you are going on about at the end of that paragraph. Toodles.

I'm confused, why is it having problems exactly? Is it technical or just MS being douches to the devs again? The OP was just a rant, it didn't really say anything. Either way it doesn't matter, it's not right for people to have to put up with this kind of stuff, especially if the consumer is paying for XBL. This should not happen when they are forced to pay for a service.

ShadowMoses900

Guess you've not followed this game.

Both versions have had issues of sporadic framerates,audio issues even read in a few places that it was even the beta build of the games the company that ported it used in the end which is inevitably a much buggier build.

I wouldnt blame MS, i'd blame the developers own incompetance over the board for not being able to do a pretty simple job correctly.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="senses_fail_06"] Well there goes their one free patch (conceivably). Next one will cost em 40k...hopefully nothing breaks again. DrTrafalgarLaw

http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2009/03/20/sony-now-charging-publishers-for-ps3-downloadable-content/

Sony's fees add a new expense. For a demo that is sized at exactly 1GB and is downloaded one million times, that would add an extra $160,000 that Sony is now charging and that, according to publishing sources, Microsoft isn't. That's what could scare publishers from placing content on the PS

yeeah...lets see how we spin this one, effectively Sony's worse in senses you cant try before you buy stop posting drivel btw your giving an immense band a bad name,

I cant see how MS is to blame for Komani releasing an unfinished game

Xbox is not PC, you cant just release unfinished games and then patch for eternity

It is amazing that MS has these rules and makes you pay extra when you want to release a million patches, so developers are forced to create better and functioning games from the start

As they should be

I would rather be able to play Witcher 2, Fable Journey, Mass Effect 3 KINECT, Crimson Dragon, Haunt, Forza Horizon, Halo 4, Alan Wake AN, Battleblock Theater, Deadlight, Dust Elysian Tale,Gears of War Judgement, Ryse,Trials Evolution,Spelunky, FEZ, Mincecraft,Dungeon Fighter Live etc

than have zero games to play and a patch for a game i have no interest in

loosingENDS

Been on your infamous list for awhile. Too bad it's under 3 hours long, has a poor story and below 70 on both Meta and GR. :(

You should do some quality control on your own list.

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

I would rather be able to play Witcher 2, Fable Journey, Mass Effect 3 KINECT, Crimson Dragon, Haunt, Forza Horizon, Halo 4, Alan Wake AN, Battleblock Theater, Deadlight, Dust Elysian Tale,Gears of War Judgement, Ryse,Trials Evolution,Spelunky, FEZ, Mincecraft,Dungeon Fighter Live etc

than have zero games to play and a patch for a game i have no interest in

senses_fail_06

Been on your infamous list for awhile. Too bad it's under 3 hours long, has a poor story and below 70 on both Meta and GR. :(

You should do some quality control on your own list.

I absolutly loved the game, so why not be in my list ?

Journey is great and is under 1.5 hour

[QUOTE="senses_fail_06"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

I would rather be able to play Witcher 2, Fable Journey, Mass Effect 3 KINECT, Crimson Dragon, Haunt, Forza Horizon, Halo 4, Alan Wake AN, Battleblock Theater, Deadlight, Dust Elysian Tale,Gears of War Judgement, Ryse,Trials Evolution,Spelunky, FEZ, Mincecraft,Dungeon Fighter Live etc

than have zero games to play and a patch for a game i have no interest in

loosingENDS

Been on your infamous list for awhile. Too bad it's under 3 hours long, has a poor story and below 70 on both Meta and GR. :(

You should do some quality control on your own list.

I absolutly loved the game, so why not be in my list ?

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I'm confused, why is it having problems exactly? Is it technical or just MS being douches to the devs again? The OP was just a rant, it didn't really say anything. Either way it doesn't matter, it's not right for people to have to put up with this kind of stuff, especially if the consumer is paying for XBL. This should not happen when they are forced to pay for a service.

razgriz_101

Guess you've not followed this game.

Both versions have had issues of sporadic framerates,audio issues even read in a few places that it was even the beta build of the games the company that ported it used in the end which is inevitably a much buggier build.

I wouldnt blame MS, i'd blame the developers own incompetance over the board for not being able to do a pretty simple job correctly.

I cant see how MS is to blame for Komani releasing an unfinished game

Xbox is not PC, you cant just release unfinished games and then patch for eternity

It is amazing that MS has these rules and makes you pay extra when you want to release a million patches, so developers are forced to create better and functioning games from the start

As they should be

loosingENDS

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I'm confused, why is it having problems exactly? Is it technical or just MS being douches to the devs again? The OP was just a rant, it didn't really say anything. Either way it doesn't matter, it's not right for people to have to put up with this kind of stuff, especially if the consumer is paying for XBL. This should not happen when they are forced to pay for a service.

razgriz_101

Guess you've not followed this game.

Both versions have had issues of sporadic framerates,audio issues even read in a few places that it was even the beta build of the games the company that ported it used in the end which is inevitably a much buggier build.

I wouldnt blame MS, i'd blame the developers own incompetance over the board for not being able to do a pretty simple job correctly.

So the devs are giving the finger to 360 owners? Well that's just wrong, why do they have a problem developing for 360? I know what it's like, Bethesda did the same thing to PS3 owners with Skyrim, gave us the finger (even though Lems celebrate it). Konami should treat the consumer better.

A shame too because they made one of the best games ever, Metal Gear Solid.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="senses_fail_06"]

Haven't downloaded a demo in over a year. I seriously can't remember the last one I played.

Not sure how this is costing me $$$...I don't think Sony has taken any money away from my bank account or charged me more for games.

Doubt publishers will jump ship because of this...none have so far.

No the patching stuff is much worse. Fez is a broken game, left broken, because the studio couldn't afford to pay M$ money for a patch. If you need a link for the 40k thing, I can get one. I heard it on the bombcast, but its not like a big secret. Just ask :wink:

senses_fail_06

the cost gets added to things like content, do you think companies lie down and take these hits?

I honestly think that paying for every patch after 1 initial patch is a good thing, forces better quality control practices.Besides the Fez developer is a total plank and an arrogant schmuck so i just think its good old karmaic retribution.

Still least when your spouting provide links helps your arguement, and once again please stop tainting a good bands name with your seemingly infinite amounts of drivel.

They would seemingly have to.

You think EA will release a MP pack for $3 more on PS3 than 360...forget about it. That sh*t would be blown up with people bit*hing and sites like Kotaku and GB would kill it with negative pub.

Yeah that's cute. Fish is a bit*h...but you're punishing the people who bough the game. The patch was done, Fish didn't suffer at all. Forces quality practices? What a joke. Games have so many lines of codes. You can play a game 1000 different times and not find a bug that can occur at one point or another. It really sucks when it breaks your save in the case of Fez.

Thought it was common knowledge. You should listen to the bombcast, it's one of the few places you can go to get real insider talk about what actually goes down. Again, ask for a link if you don't believe.

I don't know what you are going on about at the end of that paragraph. Toodles.

you need to learn bout profitability and all that matey.

Less profitability on the PS3 through these measures is offputting to company as i wil l say for a 3rd time stop bringing disrepute to a good bands name and learn a bit bout economic sustainability.

Fez's developer should have QA'd better to be brutally honest, same goes for any company that releases a game with a bug of this nature i have no sympathy for developers who dont do a sufficient QA job regardless of platform.They only bring on these expenses on themselves.

Seriously i'd advise you to actually work a day in your life doing a QA job or any job that involves any form of quality inspection then you'll know what i mean.I might work in a food factory but the principles are the same of highest quality being optimal or its gonna cost and its gonna cost you dear.Bet you didnt know any form of metal found in a food can actually cost a manufactuer up to or around £1,000 per fault.

Its simple logical buisness to implement good QA practices regardless of work sector, or its gonna cost you.Dont try defending them to make a point that MS is bad but its the same as being fined off say Health and Safety for negligent QA practices.

I honestly have no sympathy for Fez's developer or your own naivity towards QA and buisness itself.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I'm confused, why is it having problems exactly? Is it technical or just MS being douches to the devs again? The OP was just a rant, it didn't really say anything. Either way it doesn't matter, it's not right for people to have to put up with this kind of stuff, especially if the consumer is paying for XBL. This should not happen when they are forced to pay for a service.

ShadowMoses900

Guess you've not followed this game.

Both versions have had issues of sporadic framerates,audio issues even read in a few places that it was even the beta build of the games the company that ported it used in the end which is inevitably a much buggier build.

I wouldnt blame MS, i'd blame the developers own incompetance over the board for not being able to do a pretty simple job correctly.

So the devs are giving the finger to 360 owners? Well that's just wrong, why do they have a problem developing for 360? I know what it's like, Bethesda did the same thing to PS3 owners with Skyrim, gave us the finger (even though Lems celebrate it). Konami should treat the consumer better.

A shame too because they made one of the best games ever, Metal Gear Solid.

As per usual a cow spins words.

Issues are platform specific, one platform might hit the acceptable levvel before the other.

Look at previous games, patching schedules do not always match one another as the platforms differ in nature meaning the bug fixing and shooting itself is diffrent, you cant just bish bash bosh something together and it work on both platforms.

One might take longer than the other, its a part of life.

Mind you cows like yourself are some of the most ignorant and hands down dumb posters on this board equiped with knowledge conjured up by their own imagination half the time.

Is Konami so incompetent they can't put together and test a compilation disc.

So it's M$'s fault these dev's are putting out a gimp product on the Xbox... and it's "hard" to fix their gimp product. :|OhSnapitz

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

"We can't fix technical issues because of technical issues"

That makes Microsoft a cancer, yeah ok.

Well gee, who wrote the operating system that Steam runs on?

lol

MS is so terrible you can't stop using their stuff.

Why not just call a spade a spade and just say "Konami don't feel like spending $50k to put out a patch." But they sure loved getting millions from selling the game didn't they.

aroxx_ab

Steam is jumping off from the sinking ship that is MS/Windows and move on to Linux ;)

so lets get this straight...Konami rereleased silent hill in hd, when they did they ""confirmed"" used a beta version of the original build....some how konami couldn't find the original pressed version that every one got back when these silent hill games were first released so they were working on buggy beta code trying to port it onto a current gen system and thus creating many other problems and instead of putting a stop on the game and trying to squash this stuff or find the original pressed code when its problems were so obviously large they released it anyways then they worked on a patch one that not only doesn't help much of anything on the ps3 version now they have figured that no ones going to actuall buy the game beyond what has been purchased so they have canceled the 360 version of the patch.

and this is microsofts fault? you mention fez yet the entire problem with fez is that the developer took 4 years to produce a game that would have taken most amataurs to make in 2 years they released it in an almost unplayable form then they released a patch that didn't even work right and microsoft offered them the chance to release a second patch for no or little to no money incured....and they refused...

This is microsofts fault? and last I checked Tim Schafer was talking about Sony's patch process too...not just Microsofts.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

so lets get this straight...Konami rereleased silent hill in hd, when they did they ""confirmed"" used a beta version of the original build....some how konami couldn't find the original pressed version that every one got back when these silent hill games were first released so they were working on buggy beta code trying to port it onto a current gen system and thus creating many other problems and instead of putting a stop on the game and trying to squash this stuff or find the original pressed code when its problems were so obviously large they released it anyways then they worked on a patch one that not only doesn't help much of anything on the ps3 version now they have figured that no ones going to actuall buy the game beyond what has been purchased so they have canceled the 360 version of the patch.

and this is microsofts fault? you mention fez yet the entire problem with fez is that the developer took 4 years to produce a game that would have taken most amataurs to make in 2 years they released it in an almost unplayable form then they released a patch that didn't even work right and microsoft offered them the chance to release a second patch for no or little to no money incured....and they refused...

This is microsofts fault? and last I checked Tim Schafer was talking about Sony's patch process too...not just Microsofts.

sts106mat

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

It is to be expected, it's Microsoft, the cancer of gaming.

kozzy1234

The Cancer of gaming?:lol:

Yes, they are.

Microsoft going bankrupt will give a breath of fresh air. We already have Nintendo who started the terrible casual trend, and now we have Microsoft doing the same... We cannot afford to let them to kill gaming. We ought to get rid of Microsoft.

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

It is to be expected, it's Microsoft, the cancer of gaming.

GamerwillzPS

The Cancer of gaming?:lol:

Yes, they are.

Microsoft going bankrupt will give a breath of fresh air. We already have Nintendo who started the terrible casual trend, and now we have Microsoft doing the same... We cannot afford to let them to kill gaming. We ought to get rid of Microsoft.

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

The Cancer of gaming?:lol:

WilliamRLBaker

Yes, they are.

Microsoft going bankrupt will give a breath of fresh air. We already have Nintendo who started the terrible casual trend, and now we have Microsoft doing the same... We cannot afford to let them to kill gaming. We ought to get rid of Microsoft.

I know, but that's one thing. Not big enough to casualise the PlayStation brand. Sony aren't forcing it.

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] ......wonder book.....sts106mat

I know, but that's one thing. Not big enough to casualise the PlayStation brand. Sony aren't forcing it.

LBP Karting is not bad. It looks fun.

Mark my words, if Sony goes casual, I will be leaving PlayStation.

M$ is the biggest cancer to ever enter gaming. Lems are so delusional. Stop bending over lems, it's for your own good.

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="sts106mat"] Little big planet kartingsts106mat

LBP Karting is not bad. It looks fun.

Mark my words, if Sony goes casual, I will be leaving PlayStation.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="sts106mat"] its a shamelss rip off of Mario Kart though, one of THE most casual happy franchises there is on consoles dude. You cannot get more casual than mario kart. also Mario kart is a good game, there is nothing wrong with it, just pointing out that there are plenty of casual games on the ps3, this year there aren't many non-casual exclusives at all, there are a few for next year though.sts106mat

lol

This has nothing to do with the costs, because Sony has similar process and cost. It's just that they're unable to fix the game. So, like you Sony fans like to say: lazy devs.

M$ is the biggest cancer to ever enter gaming. Lems are so delusional. Stop bending over lems, it's for your own good.

Eddie-Vedder

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="sts106mat"] Little big planet kartingsts106mat

LBP Karting is not bad. It looks fun.

Mark my words, if Sony goes casual, I will be leaving PlayStation.

Allright people let's hear it for Microsoft!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8E_zMLCRNg

[QUOTE="sts106mat"][QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

LBP Karting is not bad. It looks fun.

Mark my words, if Sony goes casual, I will be leaving PlayStation.

parkurtommo

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

It is to be expected, it's Microsoft, the cancer of gaming.

GamerwillzPS

The Cancer of gaming?:lol:

Yes, they are.

Microsoft going bankrupt will give a breath of fresh air. We already have Nintendo who started the terrible casual trend, and now we have Microsoft doing the same... We cannot afford to let them to kill gaming. We ought to get rid of Microsoft.

irony is MS could consume both of its competitors, and posted profits in every quarter in its existance as a company over the space of 2 decades apart from the last one, where as Sony on the other hand is slowly sinking and haemmorhaging money even in its gaming division.

If anything for the best future of this board it'd be better if sony died so we didnt have to put up with silly cows such as yourselves who are angry basicalyl on the grounds mummy wont buy them everything.

[QUOTE="sts106mat"][QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

LBP Karting is not bad. It looks fun.

Mark my words, if Sony goes casual, I will be leaving PlayStation.

parkurtommo