Microsoft treats indie-devs horribly and ask $40,000 for patches

Apparently it costs $40,000 to simply patch your game, whether it's a indie game worth a few megabytes or not.
Microsoft continues to treat developers like those of Fez and Super Meat Boy like trash and eventually drives them nuts.
When will people see the true cancer to gaming that is Microsoft?

http://www.giantbomb.com/news/the-rabbit-hole-that-is-life-after-fez/4275/

Discuss.

Isnt this old news?

So, ads + actually have to pay + no free patches/updates + THIS

lmao why?

So, ads + actually have to pay + no free patches/updates + THIS

lmao why?

Jankarcop

It's probably an old policy that MS heads haven't reviewed since the start of this gen. They didn't even think indie developers existed back in 2005.

yadda yadda, MS = devil, yadda yadda yadda

So, ads + actually have to pay + no free patches/updates + THIS

lmao why?

Jankarcop

Why shouldn't they charge for the use of their resources? Console games shouldn't even need patches anyway :/locopatho

[QUOTE="locopatho"]Why shouldn't they charge for the use of their resources? Console games shouldn't even need patches anyway :/Blazerdt47

Why shouldn't they charge for the use of their resources? Console games shouldn't even need patches anyway :/locopatho

ladies and gentlmen, if you ever thought brainwashing wasn't real....

So, ads + actually have to pay + no free patches/updates + THIS

lmao why?

Jankarcop

Microsoft sees it as:

Money + More money + Even MORE MONEY

So you know, that explains it.

[QUOTE="Blazerdt47"][QUOTE="locopatho"]Why shouldn't they charge for the use of their resources? Console games shouldn't even need patches anyway :/DrTrafalgarLaw

Why shouldn't they charge for the use of their resources? Console games shouldn't even need patches anyway :/locopatho

Maybe its incentive to release a game that doesn't need patches?

[QUOTE="locopatho"]Why shouldn't they charge for the use of their resources? Console games shouldn't even need patches anyway :/sherman-tank1

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="Blazerdt47"] And here we go... locopatho

Don't the devs already have to pay microsoft a fee to put the game on xbox?

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="Blazerdt47"] And here we go... locopatho

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] Corporate apologists...*sigh*sherman-tank1

[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"]Why shouldn't they charge for the use of their resources? Console games shouldn't even need patches anyway :/locopatho

[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"] Does it cost MS money to release GBs of data over Xbox Live? Yes it does. They aren't making gamers pay, they are making devs pay. Ya know, the guys who left in problems that needed patching? I don't see the problem. Don't release a busted game, don't need a patch, don't need to pay MS for use of their infrastructure. Everyone wins, including gamers who get a working game day 1 :shock: :PCanYouDiglt

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] Corporate apologists...*sigh*sherman-tank1

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]God help us all.DrTrafalgarLaw

[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"]Why shouldn't they charge for the use of their resources? Console games shouldn't even need patches anyway :/locopatho

[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"] Does it cost MS money to release GBs of data over Xbox Live? Yes it does. They aren't making gamers pay, they are making devs pay. Ya know, the guys who left in problems that needed patching? I don't see the problem. Don't release a busted game, don't need a patch, don't need to pay MS for use of their infrastructure. Everyone wins, including gamers who get a working game day 1 :shock: :Pkingtito

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[QUOTE="locopatho"] Does it cost MS money to release GBs of data over Xbox Live? Yes it does. They aren't making gamers pay, they are making devs pay. Ya know, the guys who left in problems that needed patching? I don't see the problem. Don't release a busted game, don't need a patch, don't need to pay MS for use of their infrastructure. Everyone wins, including gamers who get a working game day 1 :shock: :PCanYouDiglt

That's just silly. Microsoft seems intent on half-assing indie dev support.

Time for all of them to move on the PS3.....best console ever.AtariKidX

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]Every game is going to have hidden problems when released. They can't find everything during the testing phase.

locopatho

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]God help us all.

sherman-tank1

[QUOTE="AtariKidX"]Time for all of them to move on the PS3.....best console ever.clone01

I don't hate MS... Also, how do you expect certain companies to make their games complete polished if they have deadlines?sherman-tank1

[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]I don't hate MS... Also, how do you expect certain companies to make their games complete polished if they have deadlines?clone01

Encourages devs to release polished games that don't need fixing, and doesn't cost me a penny. locopatho

That's just silly. Disregarding the inevitability of bugs in nearly any commercial software, what if the devs want to patch difficulty based on fan feedback after the product has shipped. Or optimization code to help the game perform better.

Charging an indie dev $40,000 is just silly and only encourages other developers to stay away from the platform. I'm not saying MS shouldn't charge, but they shouldn't apply a one-size-fits-all pricing scheme to this issue either.

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="kingtito"] Oh they can find a hella of a lot more than they do. They're just rushing games out now adays because they know they can still patch it later no matter how buggy. Just look at Skyrim. BTW how does this effect gamers? Last time I checked games are always coming out on XBLA. I guess the point is moot since I don't see devs pulling games or refusing to release because of the patch fee. sherman-tank1

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[QUOTE="locopatho"] Why should MS have to cover the cost of a developer patching their busted game? I really don't see the issue...locopatho

[QUOTE="locopatho"] Encourages devs to release polished games that don't need fixing, and doesn't cost me a penny. Kickinurass

That's just silly. Disregarding the inevitability of bugs in nearly any commercial software, what if the devs want to patch difficulty based on fan feedback after the product has shipped. Or optimization code to help the game perform better.

Charging an indie dev $40,000 is just silly and only encourages other developers to stay away from the platform. I'm not saying MS shouldn't charge, but they shouldn't apply a one-size-fits-all pricing scheme to this issue either.

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]I don't hate MS... Also, how do you expect certain companies to make their games complete polished if they have deadlines?sherman-tank1

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[QUOTE="locopatho"] Exactly. People are just using anything to attack MS. This is a good policy imo. Encourages devs to release polished games that don't need fixing, and doesn't cost me a penny. Only people who are mad are rabid MS haters :)locopatho

[QUOTE="locopatho"] Encourages devs to release polished games that don't need fixing, and doesn't cost me a penny. Kickinurass

That's just silly. Disregarding the inevitability of bugs in nearly any commercial software, what if the devs want to patch difficulty based on fan feedback after the product has shipped. Or optimization code to help the game perform better.

Charging an indie dev $40,000 is just silly and only encourages other developers to stay away from the platform. I'm not saying MS shouldn't charge, but they shouldn't apply a one-size-fits-all pricing scheme to this issue either.

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]Because the developers put their game on Microsoft's console, therefore Microsoft should support it. It also helps companies shy away from putting their games on the Xbox.

sherman-tank1

[QUOTE="AtariKidX"]Time for all of them to move on the PS3.....best console ever.clone01

indie and pc go togeather so great :D its simply cheaper to devlop and release on pc. and as a result from a buisness standpoint its also smarter.

alos these are indie games were talking about here.. nobody expect them to be shattering visual eyecandy perceptions anytime soon XD (this being said legend of grimrock was hawt imo :3)

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]I don't hate MS... Also, how do you expect certain companies to make their games complete polished if they have deadlines?

sherman-tank1

Console is a dying form of gaming.