MGS: GZ is less than 2 hours - Kojima Defends

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#1 Edited by seanmcloughlin (38216 posts) -

Game Informer has a MGS blowout for their March edition and talked about Ground Zeroes. They had an exclusive play of the game and they finished the main mission along with extra modes in about 4 hours.

We had four hours of exclusive hands-on time with Ground Zeroes, which we used to play through the main mission and experiment with extra modes.

UPDATE: Judged just by the core story mission, Ground Zeroes is short," Game Informer writes in the cover story (only available in the magazine, not online). "We completed it in just less than two hours

At first thought they meant they only had 4 hours with the game but they state they got through the main mission in that time. Kind of disappointing considering the price point for GZ

Source

GI source

Let's not forget that this is just the intro to MGS V (the phantom pain) and it costs $30 retail for PS360 and $20 digital but $40 PS4 and X1 retail and $30 digital. Not only that but Kojima has said if Ground Zeroes doesn't do well that they will delay MGS V.

Kojima has defended the length of the game but made things slightly worse by detailing what was actually in the game. The main mission, 5 side missions and a time trial like mode

#2 Edited by PonchoTaco (2044 posts) -

Wasn't the original MGS super short too?

#3 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38216 posts) -

Wasn't the original MGS super short too?

MGS1 on playstation? That game is really damn long

#4 Edited by lamprey263 (23522 posts) -

@seanmcloughlin said:

Kind of disappointing considering the price point for GZ

And what is the price point of Ground Zero? $4.99? Or free with pre-order of MGS5?

EDIT: nevermind, holy shit, $20 digital and $30 physical on Xbox 360 and PS3, $30/$40 digital/physical on PS4 and X1... and being an MGS game that probably means 1 hour of gameplay 3 hours of cutscenes

#5 Edited by m_machine024 (14904 posts) -

Hmm 4 hours including the cutscenes?

#6 Posted by kinectthedots (1698 posts) -

Damn *sad face*

scraches one off the list...

#7 Posted by W1NGMAN- (9959 posts) -

@PonchoTaco said:

Wasn't the original MGS super short too?

MGS1 on playstation? That game is really damn long

No it's not :/ ... It's about a 5 hour game, 7 or 8 without skipping cut scenes.

#8 Posted by RR360DD (11778 posts) -

I'll probably wait for it to drop below £20 before I pick it up. You can already preorder it for like £25

#9 Edited by seanmcloughlin (38216 posts) -

@lamprey263 said:

@seanmcloughlin said:

Kind of disappointing considering the price point for GZ

And what is the price point of Ground Zero? $4.99? Or free with pre-order of MGS5?

Um more like $30 physical copy, $20 digital for PS360

PS4 and X1 is $30 digital and $40 retail

#10 Posted by kinectthedots (1698 posts) -

@seanmcloughlin said:

Kind of disappointing considering the price point for GZ

And what is the price point of Ground Zero? $4.99? Or free with pre-order of MGS5?

Oh, ok...rewrites back on list

#11 Edited by jhonMalcovich (4629 posts) -

Because consoles, ladies and gentlemen. On consoles, games dont need to be good anymore. Fanboys will hype them anyway.

#12 Posted by uninspiredcup (8304 posts) -

At least metal gear rising is good.

#13 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38216 posts) -

@W1NGMAN- said:

@seanmcloughlin said:

@PonchoTaco said:

Wasn't the original MGS super short too?

MGS1 on playstation? That game is really damn long

No it's not :/ ... It's about a 5 hour game, 7 or 8 without skipping cut scenes.

Well I haven't played it in years so maybe my memory is clouded. It feels like it was longer

#14 Edited by seanmcloughlin (38216 posts) -

@jhonMalcovich said:

Because consoles, ladies and gentlemen.

Well MGS is a console franchise so I don't see your point

nice stealth edit BTW

#15 Posted by R4gn4r0k (16449 posts) -

Because consoles, ladies and gentlemen. On consoles, games dont need to be good anymore. Fanboys will hype them anyway.

Lol, I wish PC had MGS V

#16 Posted by Krelian-co (10660 posts) -

isn't it just an intro for mgs 5? like the tanker in mgs 2?

#17 Posted by KHAndAnime (13621 posts) -

@W1NGMAN- said:

@seanmcloughlin said:

@PonchoTaco said:

Wasn't the original MGS super short too?

MGS1 on playstation? That game is really damn long

No it's not :/ ... It's about a 5 hour game, 7 or 8 without skipping cut scenes.

MGS1 is pretty short. It's one of the few games that I have almost the entirety stuck in my head. And MGS1 was a full game game. This is only supposed to be a "prequel" or whatever....

#18 Posted by jhonMalcovich (4629 posts) -

@R4gn4r0k said:

@jhonMalcovich said:

Because consoles, ladies and gentlemen. On consoles, games dont need to be good anymore. Fanboys will hype them anyway.

Lol, I wish PC had MGS V

So you could finish it in 4 hours.

#19 Edited by W1NGMAN- (9959 posts) -

@W1NGMAN- said:

@seanmcloughlin said:

@PonchoTaco said:

Wasn't the original MGS super short too?

MGS1 on playstation? That game is really damn long

No it's not :/ ... It's about a 5 hour game, 7 or 8 without skipping cut scenes.

Well I haven't played it in years so maybe my memory is clouded. It feels like it was longer

Yea I remember thinking it was a super long game but in reality it's fairly short, I played through it again about a year or two go that's the only reason I know that it's short :P

#20 Posted by TwistedShade (3164 posts) -

At least you can afford March now!

#21 Posted by Sword-Demon (6970 posts) -

Does that include both parts?

Ground zeroes and the Phantom pain are two parts to the same game, right? So are they just talking about ground zeroes or what?

#22 Edited by seanmcloughlin (38216 posts) -

At least you can afford March now!

haha yep lol

Does that include both parts?

Ground zeroes and the Phantom pain are two parts to the same game, right? So are they just talking about ground zeroes or what?

It only includes Ground Zeroes, the intro to the phantom pain. The same demo we've been seeing over and over again of snake infiltrating that base

#23 Posted by freedomfreak (40002 posts) -

Cutscenes included, I assume?

It's not that bad considering the pricepoint. MGS games never were that lengthy to begin with. You can go through them in less than 5 hours.

#24 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38216 posts) -

Cutscenes included, I assume?

It's not that bad considering the pricepoint. MGS games never were that lengthy to begin with. You can go through them in less than 5 hours.

It's with the whole main mission and extra modes so yeah I'd assume it's cutscenes and all. The fact that it's an intro to a bigger game and an introduction to get people used to the mechanics means the price is bullshit. Pay up to $40 for this and then full price for the full game after that. That's like an upper maximum of $100 just for the full experience

#25 Posted by PonchoTaco (2044 posts) -

@PonchoTaco said:

Wasn't the original MGS super short too?

MGS1 on playstation? That game is really damn long

I remember skipping cut scenes and beating the game in ~5 hours.

#26 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38216 posts) -

@seanmcloughlin said:

@PonchoTaco said:

Wasn't the original MGS super short too?

MGS1 on playstation? That game is really damn long

I remember skipping cut scenes and beating the game in ~5 hours.

Yeah apparently it IS short and I just can't remember. But it was like 12 years ago when I played it last so I'll take you guys' word for it over my nostalgia :P

#27 Posted by PurpleMan5000 (7139 posts) -

@freedomfreak said:

Cutscenes included, I assume?

It's not that bad considering the pricepoint. MGS games never were that lengthy to begin with. You can go through them in less than 5 hours.

It's with the whole main mission and extra modes so yeah I'd assume it's cutscenes and all. The fact that it's an intro to a bigger game and an introduction to get people used to the mechanics means the price is bullshit. Pay up to $40 for this and then full price for the full game after that. That's like an upper maximum of $100 just for the full experience

You could also just wait until the actual game launches and probably find this for less than $10 at that time.

#28 Posted by TwistedShade (3164 posts) -

Lol I just realized with their history of long cutscenes I wonder how long the actual gameplay is.

#29 Posted by jhonMalcovich (4629 posts) -

Lol I just realized with their history of long cutscenes I wonder how long the actual gameplay is.

What gameplay XD

#30 Posted by Articuno76 (18774 posts) -

@W1NGMAN-: True, but not on first playthrough, which I'd reckon is 12-16 hours.

So going by that (admittedly very unscientific) measure, GZ is less than 1/4 of the length of MGS1 (remember the journos did side stuff too!).

Still that is twice-ish as long as the tanker sequence in MGS2. Bit expensive for what it is I think.

#31 Posted by freedomfreak (40002 posts) -

It's with the whole main mission and extra modes so yeah I'd assume it's cutscenes and all. The fact that it's an intro to a bigger game and an introduction to get people used to the mechanics means the price is bullshit. Pay up to $40 for this and then full price for the full game after that. That's like an upper maximum of $100 just for the full experience

Yeah, it's lame, but this shit happens. Same with GT: Prologue.

Something you just gotta deal with.

#32 Posted by charizard1605 (56889 posts) -

So 30 minutes of actual gameplay?

#33 Posted by ghostwarrior786 (4314 posts) -

@PonchoTaco said:

Wasn't the original MGS super short too?

MGS1 on playstation? That game is really damn long

mostly because of cutscenes, boss fights and back tracking though. i wouldnt be surprised if mgs1 had about 4 hours of pure gameplay

#34 Posted by TheFadeForever (1732 posts) -

Get it for 40 dollars than pay more for the full game, so anyways who's idea was it to get gamers to pay that much money lol?

#35 Posted by Ghost120x (3799 posts) -

Kojima san, No.

#36 Posted by Animal-Mother (26751 posts) -

As a fan I will gladly pay. Kojima has made some great games that I enjoy every time.

#37 Posted by AmazonTreeBoa (16745 posts) -

@W1NGMAN- said:

@seanmcloughlin said:

@PonchoTaco said:

Wasn't the original MGS super short too?

MGS1 on playstation? That game is really damn long

No it's not :/ ... It's about a 5 hour game, 7 or 8 without skipping cut scenes.

You are wrong

#38 Posted by Joedgabe (5111 posts) -

How many of those 4 hours are cut-scenes ?

#39 Posted by lhughey (4228 posts) -

Get it for 40 dollars than pay more for the full game, so anyways who's idea was it to get gamers to pay that much money lol?

GT Prologue.

#40 Posted by AmazonTreeBoa (16745 posts) -

Anyways, if this is true. I have just lost all interest in the game.

#41 Posted by senses_fail_06 (6736 posts) -

Seems fair. It's only $30. And the open world nature of the levels seem like they lead themselves to multiple replays.

#42 Posted by Netret0120 (2084 posts) -

Metal Gear Solid 1 took me around 8-10 hours to beat. Fantastic game despite only playing it in 07.

This is why I am waiting for the INEVITABLE MGS5 Complete Edition for $50-60.

Bloody ripoff to get this. 4 hours?! I can beat it in a one night!!! I was happy with how MGS4 closed the franchise so I am watching this one closely

#43 Posted by PrincessGomez92 (3539 posts) -

Good thing you're getting your moneys worth.

#44 Edited by Large_Soda (8610 posts) -

@seanmcloughlin: Is there something else in that article that suggests they completed the entire main mission? To me it read like they had 4 hours in which to play the game and in that 4 hours they played some of the main mission and the extra modes.

#45 Posted by donalbane (16270 posts) -

Needs more cutscenes.

#46 Posted by FoxbatAlpha (6767 posts) -

This is just suppose to be more like a extended demo. 4 hours is fine.

#47 Posted by CrownKingArthur (4650 posts) -

nanomachines

#48 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38216 posts) -

@seanmcloughlin: Is there something else in that article that suggests they completed the entire main mission? To me it read like they had 4 hours in which to play the game and in that 4 hours they played some of the main mission and the extra modes.

they state they got through the main mission in that time

This to me sounds like they did the whole main mission, otherwise they'd say they got through SOME of the main mission

#49 Posted by JangoWuzHere (16271 posts) -

That's why I was worried about the weird prices between all the different versions. It's weird enough to have a 10$ difference between digital and retail, but to have an extra $10 premium between last gen and current gen is absurd.

#50 Posted by Locutus_Picard (3980 posts) -

Not surprising, Kojima has to cater to the xbox fanbase's attention span after all.