MGO Is a Scam

Let me start this off by saying that I love the gameplay of MGO. I enjoyed the first one and I love this one even better.

But gameplay aside, Konami is ripping us off with MGO. The set up is a perfect example of why a non universal online structure isn't always good. Anybody that plays MGO, has a PSN name, a Konami ID, a Game ID, and a Character Name...:|

Why would Konami make us go through all of this you may ask? Well it's because they want to nickle and dime us like we've never seen before. I LOL'd at the screen when my little brother called me into the room and asked me what was up with the game saying that you can only register 1 MGO character for free PER SYSTEM. I was in shock really, because WHY in the hell would they make it like that? Obviously they KNOW people have siblings who may also play the same game on the same system, it's completely ridiculous that I have to pay for additional accounts to play a game because it's not made to coincide with PSN.

Then you get to the MGO Store and you see a Codec Pack for 4.99. Hmm that's prolly cool, but I passed. Comes to find out from people who bought that Codec Pack said that there wasn't even a download for the file. Hmm interesting... So they put DLC on their Store, yet people buy it and there's no downloading going on? Oh wait, that's because the Codec Pack was already on the DISC! Charging people to "unlock" stuff that's already on a disc is simply unacceptable. Makes me wonder what more is on the disc that we don't know about.

To further this point, I know MGS4 fans have followed all the news dropping about the game months prior to it's release. I'm sure you guys have seen maps in screenshots and in trailers for MGO that are mysteriously NOT in the game. Or what about the special characters that Konami said would be playable in the game, where are they? I thought downloadable content was brought into existence for devs to improve things and come up with new maps etc. and then release them to the public. Not have pre-made items ready BEFORE the release of the game simply to charge us later on for them.

Fanboys will say, "Bu but it's only a Starter Pack", no that's what Konami wants you to think. And after thinking about all of this and finding out that they charged us for stuff that's actually on the disc I see why a 50gig dual layered disc was needed for this game. To scam the fans like this.

I'm no fanboy, but it seems like all this hastle of the multiplayer in MGS4 doesn't make it worthy of a ten...Toriko42

but it deserves a 10 because at its core its a single player game. Take GTAIV as an example. The multiplayer in that game is subpar to say the very least, but the singleplayer is so great, and the game was built as a single player game that the multiplayer comes off as an extra bonus, sumthing to do once u finish the game.

I'm no fanboy, but it seems like all this hastle of the multiplayer in MGS4 doesn't make it worthy of a ten...Toriko42

The way Konami set it up is to the point where it's so separated from the actual game that reviewers probably didn't even hold it against the single player. And the whole "Starter Pack" BS is just a way of trying to make people think/feel that it's just an extra, but what shooting game doesn't have a multiplayer portion? It's pretty much standard.

This is honestly one of the most horrible things I've ever heard (No sarcasm), this is total bull that you have to pay for crap that's already on the disk, also you need to pay to make more then one character?!?!? What is this a MMO?!?!W1NGMAN-

Yes, this is 100% true. On top of this, when you make your character, whatever clothes you put on him you better REALLY REALLY like them because you won't be able to change them or change the color of them. You can only remove items like hats and goggles and armor. But as far as putting on different stuff you can't. You would have to buy a whole different account just to change clothing.

This is honestly one of the most horrible things I've ever heard (No sarcasm), this is total bull that you have to pay for crap that's already on the disk, also you need to pay to make more then one character?!?!? What is this a MMO?!?!W1NGMAN-

I still don't understand why someone would want to make more then one character..

*shrug* at least we didn't have to pay to play the basic online (yea, I'm looking at you XBL :P)

Let me start this off by saying that I love the gameplay of MGO. I enjoyed the first one and I love this one even better.

But gameplay aside, Konami is ripping us off with MGO. The set up is a perfect example of why a non universal online structure isn't always good. Anybody that plays MGO, has a PSN name, a Konami ID, a Game ID, and a Character Name...:|

Why would Konami make us go through all of this you may ask? Well it's because they want to nickle and dime us like we've never seen before. I LOL'd at the screen when my little brother called me into the room and asked me what was up with the game saying that you can only register 1 MGO character for free PER SYSTEM. I was in shock really, because WHY in the hell would they make it like that? Obviously they KNOW people have siblings who may also play the same game on the same system, it's completely ridiculous that I have to pay for additional accounts to play a game because it's not made to coincide with PSN.

Then you get to the MGO Store and you see a Codec Pack for 4.99. Hmm that's prolly cool, but I passed. Comes to find out from people who bought that Codec Pack said that there wasn't even a download for the file. Hmm interesting... So they put DLC on their Store, yet people buy it and there's no downloading going on? Oh wait, that's because the Codec Pack was already on the DISC! Charging people to "unlock" stuff that's already on a disc is simply unacceptable. Makes me wonder what more is on the disc that we don't know about.

To further this point, I know MGS4 fans have followed all the news dropping about the game months prior to it's release. I'm sure you guys have seen maps in screenshots and in trailers for MGO that are mysteriously NOT in the game. Or what about the special characters that Konami said would be playable in the game, where are they? I thought downloadable content was brought into existence for devs to improve things and come up with new maps etc. and then release them to the public. Not have pre-made items ready BEFORE the release of the game simply to charge us later on for them.

Fanboys will say, "Bu but it's only a Starter Pack", no that's what Konami wants you to think. And after thinking about all of this and finding out that they charged us for stuff that's actually on the disc I see why a 50gig dual layered disc was needed for this game. To scam the fans like this.

GoldenGlove

takes about a 1min each to make them:| and can be done within the game.

the online is free, and thats what counts. you still get to play the game...the rest is you being silly and stating a opinion which no one cares about.

everything costs now days, maps, addons, etc...who cares. don't get it.

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]This is honestly one of the most horrible things I've ever heard (No sarcasm), this is total bull that you have to pay for crap that's already on the disk, also you need to pay to make more then one character?!?!? What is this a MMO?!?!FragTycoon

I still don't understand why someone would want to make more then one character..

*shrug* at least we didn't have to pay to play the basic online (yea, I'm looking at you XBL :P)

I have 2 younger brothers. In order for them to play on the same PS3 that I set up my character on they would have to pay for there character.

MGO only allows 1 FREE character per PS3. So if you had brothers who wanted to play MGO on their own account they couldn't unless they paid for it. Oh and they don't let you buy 1 account you have to buy atleast 3 and that costs 6.99.

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]This is honestly one of the most horrible things I've ever heard (No sarcasm), this is total bull that you have to pay for crap that's already on the disk, also you need to pay to make more then one character?!?!? What is this a MMO?!?!GoldenGlove

I still don't understand why someone would want to make more then one character..

*shrug* at least we didn't have to pay to play the basic online (yea, I'm looking at you XBL :P)

I have 2 younger brothers. In order for them to play on the same PS3 that I set up my character on they would have to pay for there character.

MGO only allows 1 FREE character per PS3. So if you had brothers who wanted to play MGO on their own account they couldn't unless they paid for it. Oh and they don't let you buy 1 account you have to buy atleast 3 and that costs 6.99.

:lol: they can use your character..they still play the game.

share up and be family.

takes about a 1min each to make them:| and can be done within the game.

the online is free, and thats what counts. you still get to play the game...the rest is you being silly and stating a opinion which no one cares about.

everything costs now days, maps, addons, etc...who cares. don't get it.

HardTarget86

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only person who has brothers who play videogames. Sure I get to play the game for free, but what about them? Why should they have to pay to play online? Last time I checked EVERY other game on PS3 with execption to the downloaded version of Warhawk allows for multiple accounts on PSN.

NONE of what I'm saying is silly, it's 100% true.

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]This is honestly one of the most horrible things I've ever heard (No sarcasm), this is total bull that you have to pay for crap that's already on the disk, also you need to pay to make more then one character?!?!? What is this a MMO?!?!GoldenGlove

I still don't understand why someone would want to make more then one character..

*shrug* at least we didn't have to pay to play the basic online (yea, I'm looking at you XBL :P)

I have 2 younger brothers. In order for them to play on the same PS3 that I set up my character on they would have to pay for there character.

MGO only allows 1 FREE character per PS3. So if you had brothers who wanted to play MGO on their own account they couldn't unless they paid for it.

ohhh ic.. that do suck. :|

thank goodness my PS3 is all for me.

[QUOTE="GoldenGlove"][QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]This is honestly one of the most horrible things I've ever heard (No sarcasm), this is total bull that you have to pay for crap that's already on the disk, also you need to pay to make more then one character?!?!? What is this a MMO?!?!HardTarget86

I still don't understand why someone would want to make more then one character..

*shrug* at least we didn't have to pay to play the basic online (yea, I'm looking at you XBL :P)

I have 2 younger brothers. In order for them to play on the same PS3 that I set up my character on they would have to pay for there character.

MGO only allows 1 FREE character per PS3. So if you had brothers who wanted to play MGO on their own account they couldn't unless they paid for it. Oh and they don't let you buy 1 account you have to buy atleast 3 and that costs 6.99.

:lol: they can use your character..they still play the game.

share up and be family.

You must not be a gamer.

[QUOTE="HardTarget86"][QUOTE="GoldenGlove"][QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]This is honestly one of the most horrible things I've ever heard (No sarcasm), this is total bull that you have to pay for crap that's already on the disk, also you need to pay to make more then one character?!?!? What is this a MMO?!?!GoldenGlove

I still don't understand why someone would want to make more then one character..

*shrug* at least we didn't have to pay to play the basic online (yea, I'm looking at you XBL :P)

I have 2 younger brothers. In order for them to play on the same PS3 that I set up my character on they would have to pay for there character.

MGO only allows 1 FREE character per PS3. So if you had brothers who wanted to play MGO on their own account they couldn't unless they paid for it. Oh and they don't let you buy 1 account you have to buy atleast 3 and that costs 6.99.

:lol: they can use your character..they still play the game.

share up and be family.

You must not be a gamer.

If someone touched my CoD4 account, I would prob take out a knee cap or finger.

I have a feeling that there are maps already on the disc waiting to be "unlocked". I mean even if you sit and let the trailer run when you boot up MGO you will see a map that's not in the game. Why is that? The map with the water at your feet, I've heard about this map long before the release of the game because you can choke somebody out and bring them to the ground and drown them in the process.

To the one with brothers. Try this, maybe it works

Create another account on PS3, tied to another PSN. Then enter MGO with it. if it asks for user/password, maybe you're lucky and creating a new konami id will work.

Xbox Live is a scam. Charging us for gamerpics :roll:

This is coming from a lemming.

Micro-Transactions suck.

Xbox Live is a scam. Charging us for gamerpics :roll:

This is coming from a lemming.

Micro-Transactions suck.

SpinoRaptor

Lol true true. But I don't see the reason why people actually pay for pictures. I barely focus any attention on mines. Just downloaded the free I Am Legend pack and slapped that crap on there. That's enough:D

lol stop fussing, if you can't afford it don't do it, hideo and the team over at konami poured alot of effort into this game and i have no problem at all in giving them A LITTLE MONEY FOR THEIR EFFORT!, BE GLAD that you don't have to pay for the playstation network like xbox users have to pay for live, god it amazes me at what some people complain about these days, calling it a scam, that is preposterous

reminds of the people that complain about toll booths

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]This is honestly one of the most horrible things I've ever heard (No sarcasm), this is total bull that you have to pay for crap that's already on the disk, also you need to pay to make more then one character?!?!? What is this a MMO?!?!GoldenGlove

I still don't understand why someone would want to make more then one character..

*shrug* at least we didn't have to pay to play the basic online (yea, I'm looking at you XBL :P)

I have 2 younger brothers. In order for them to play on the same PS3 that I set up my character on they would have to pay for there character.

MGO only allows 1 FREE character per PS3. So if you had brothers who wanted to play MGO on their own account they couldn't unless they paid for it. Oh and they don't let you buy 1 account you have to buy atleast 3 and that costs 6.99.

If it were on live they'd have to pay for more live accounts to play online.

[QUOTE="GoldenGlove"][QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]This is honestly one of the most horrible things I've ever heard (No sarcasm), this is total bull that you have to pay for crap that's already on the disk, also you need to pay to make more then one character?!?!? What is this a MMO?!?!rockydog1111

I still don't understand why someone would want to make more then one character..

*shrug* at least we didn't have to pay to play the basic online (yea, I'm looking at you XBL :P)

I have 2 younger brothers. In order for them to play on the same PS3 that I set up my character on they would have to pay for there character.

MGO only allows 1 FREE character per PS3. So if you had brothers who wanted to play MGO on their own account they couldn't unless they paid for it. Oh and they don't let you buy 1 account you have to buy atleast 3 and that costs 6.99.

If it were on live they'd have to pay for more live accounts to play online.

I used to consider buying extra maps and etc if it were on the PSN network but thats just BS that I have to go on another website and get it from there... + they want to make you buy codec calls, why get codec calls for 5 Pounds ( I think) When I could buy a new PSN game. :|

lol stop fussing, if you can't afford it don't do it, hideo and the team over at konami poured alot of effort into this game and i have no problem at all in giving them A LITTLE MONEY FOR THEIR EFFORT!, BE GLAD that you don't have to pay for the playstation network like xbox users have to pay for live, god it amazes me at what some people complain about these days, calling it a scam, that is preposterous

reminds of the people that complain about toll booths

supras989

I wouldn't mind it so much if i hadn't already payed $120 for the game.

[QUOTE="supras989"]

lol stop fussing, if you can't afford it don't do it, hideo and the team over at konami poured alot of effort into this game and i have no problem at all in giving them A LITTLE MONEY FOR THEIR EFFORT!, BE GLAD that you don't have to pay for the playstation network like xbox users have to pay for live, god it amazes me at what some people complain about these days, calling it a scam, that is preposterous

reminds of the people that complain about toll booths

viper1991

I wouldn't mind it so much if i hadn't already payed $120 for the game.

Now how the hell did it cost $120 don't games over America cost about $60? :?

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]This is honestly one of the most horrible things I've ever heard (No sarcasm), this is total bull that you have to pay for crap that's already on the disk, also you need to pay to make more then one character?!?!? What is this a MMO?!?!FragTycoon

I still don't understand why someone would want to make more then one character..

*shrug* at least we didn't have to pay to play the basic online (yea, I'm looking at you XBL :P)

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]This is honestly one of the most horrible things I've ever heard (No sarcasm), this is total bull that you have to pay for crap that's already on the disk, also you need to pay to make more then one character?!?!? What is this a MMO?!?!Toriko42

I still don't understand why someone would want to make more then one character..

*shrug* at least we didn't have to pay to play the basic online (yea, I'm looking at you XBL :P)

But it doesn't cost money to play online :? it just costs money to make extra characters :evil:

[QUOTE="Toriko42"][QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]This is honestly one of the most horrible things I've ever heard (No sarcasm), this is total bull that you have to pay for crap that's already on the disk, also you need to pay to make more then one character?!?!? What is this a MMO?!?!sam280992

I still don't understand why someone would want to make more then one character..

*shrug* at least we didn't have to pay to play the basic online (yea, I'm looking at you XBL :P)

But it doesn't cost money to play online :? it just costs money to make extra characters :evil:

yes, there are minor flaws, but this is nowhere near being anything to actually complain about. it's konami's first major online game, and they've done pretty well with it so far.

[QUOTE="GoldenGlove"][QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]This is honestly one of the most horrible things I've ever heard (No sarcasm), this is total bull that you have to pay for crap that's already on the disk, also you need to pay to make more then one character?!?!? What is this a MMO?!?!rockydog1111

I still don't understand why someone would want to make more then one character..

*shrug* at least we didn't have to pay to play the basic online (yea, I'm looking at you XBL :P)

I have 2 younger brothers. In order for them to play on the same PS3 that I set up my character on they would have to pay for there character.

MGO only allows 1 FREE character per PS3. So if you had brothers who wanted to play MGO on their own account they couldn't unless they paid for it. Oh and they don't let you buy 1 account you have to buy atleast 3 and that costs 6.99.

If it were on live they'd have to pay for more live accounts to play online.

owned, not 7 bucks but 50 bucks times 2

I'm no fanboy, but it seems like all this hastle of the multiplayer in MGS4 doesn't make it worthy of a ten...Toriko42

No. It just shows us how AMAZING the single player is by itself.

People, you have to understand that MGO and MGS4 were originally planned to be two separate games. Since both were scheduled to release around the same time, they decided to put them together.

This is actually saving us some money if you ask me. Originally we would have paid more for MGO. They need to make up the money lost (if these two were sold separately) some how with the micro transactions.

A few things...

1. Does MGO actually come on the MGS4 game disc or is it a seperate purchase?

2. Are there a good sum of people playing online?

3. Is ther a lot of lag?

Kind in mind that to game online is FREE... BUT having said that, you get what you pay for.. I love customizing my characters so I'd be slightly peev'd at this. However it's still free to play online..

People, you have to understand that MGO and MGS4 were originally planned to be two separate games. Since the both were scheduled to release around the same time, they decided to put them together.\

This is actually saving us some money if you ask me. Originally we would have paid more for MGO. They need to make up the money lost (if these two were sold separately) some how with the micro transactions.

TREAL_Since

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]

People, you have to understand that MGO and MGS4 were originally planned to be two separate games. Since the both were scheduled to release around the same time, they decided to put them together.\

This is actually saving us some money if you ask me. Originally we would have paid more for MGO. They need to make up the money lost (if these two were sold separately) some how with the micro transactions.

blackdreamhunk

It's not a rip off considering what you get for $60. It's not like we paid for MGO only. They combined the two. We would have spent a bit more money if it were the other way around.

They are nickel and diming MGO players, but if you were going to buy MGO as a separate game the outcome would still be the same or most likely worse (as far as overall money spent).

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"][QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]

People, you have to understand that MGO and MGS4 were originally planned to be two separate games. Since the both were scheduled to release around the same time, they decided to put them together.\

This is actually saving us some money if you ask me. Originally we would have paid more for MGO. They need to make up the money lost (if these two were sold separately) some how with the micro transactions.

TREAL_Since

It's not a rip off considering what you get for $60. It's not like we paid for MGO only. They combined the two. We would have spent a bit more money if it were the other way around. They are nickel and diming MGO players, but if you were going to buy MGO as a separate game anyways it wouldn't matter.

I'm no fanboy, but it seems like all this hastle of the multiplayer in MGS4 doesn't make it worthy of a ten...Toriko42

It isn't worthy of a 10 at all if you view a 10 as "perfect", but i dont think gamespot does any more with the introduction of the .5 system. It's just a really, really awesome game. But obviously it has flaws. All games do.

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"][QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]

hahahahahaha that would nver happen on guess pc lol what rep off
blackdreamhunk

It's not a rip off considering what you get for $60. It's not like we paid for MGO only. They combined the two. We would have spent a bit more money if it were the other way around. They are nickel and diming MGO players, but if you were going to buy MGO as a separate game anyways it wouldn't matter.

Guild Wars is a great value. I never compared MGS4/MGO to any PC game. Stop being such a fanboy.

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"][QUOTE="TREAL_Since"][QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]

hahahahahaha that would nver happen on guess pc lol what rep off
TREAL_Since

It's not a rip off considering what you get for $60. It's not like we paid for MGO only. They combined the two. We would have spent a bit more money if it were the other way around. They are nickel and diming MGO players, but if you were going to buy MGO as a separate game anyways it wouldn't matter.

Guild Wars is a great value. I never compared MGS4/MGO to any PC game. Stop being such a fanboy.

how sad

even the mmo's you pay today don't do that and you get better online expeince from pc with better graphics and game play lol

Wow, thats pretty sad on Konami's part. Simply getting online is bad enough. Making a GameID then a KonamiID? I mean come on. MGS4 is a great game, but MGO is anything but that. I already didn't like it that much, but the idea that you buy something and then it unlocks it on the disc is just flat out bad. Other games have tried to do this, even on 360. I think Halo 2 did it, but I can't remember correctly. This is going to come back to Konami and undoubtedly Kojima too.MadExponent

Halo 2 never charged you for content that was already on the disc... The Halo 2 mappack was a DL item awell as an enitre disc by itself.

Wow, thats pretty sad on Konami's part. Simply getting online is bad enough. Making a GameID then a KonamiID? I mean come on. MGS4 is a great game, but MGO is anything but that. I already didn't like it that much, but the idea that you buy something and then it unlocks it on the disc is just flat out bad. Other games have tried to do this, even on 360. I think Halo 2 did it, but I can't remember correctly. This is going to come back to Konami and undoubtedly Kojima too.MadExponent

I agree that getting setup for MGO is ouright ridiculous, but the game and features don't suffer from that.

The game is already critically acclaimed, is a blockbuster hit, and MGO has it's fan base. I don't see anything coming back to Konami or Kojima.