Lems : Are you worried about Kinect being the prime focus of Xbox720?

With Kinect crippling the Xbox360 core gaming focus, are you worried that MS will do the same thing next gen?

I've been thinking

If 720 has Kinect 2.0 built in then we will be forced to buy Kinect, if for example the hardware cost $400 then we will pay $150 for Kinect hardware that alot of us don't want and won't use.

Secondly if the GUI uses kinect, what about people who use their Xbox in a smaller room, that don't have room to be waving their arms around to control the interface.

While I understand the business reasons, Kinect still irritates.

Why can't any company just focus on providing value and service to core gamers? Everybody's busy inventing tablet controllers and all kind of stupid schit, nobody's focused on just having a normal controller and making great games.

They should be.

They should be.

'Yeah alot'

I would, but i don't think it will happen. Xbox 3 will have Kinect, sure, but not as a priority. I don't think they will be stupid enough to give up of it's most successful market.

um no, i have no emotional attachment to the Xbox brand, if it doesn't look like they'll provide enough games that interest me i'll just go with a different platform. Yeah if a console company just focused on a simple controller and enough non casual games that interest me i'd probably support that platform, unfortunantely the Wii seems to have made that a thing of the past.

With Kinect crippling the Xbox360 core gaming focus, are you worried that MS will do the same thing next gen?

I've been thinking

If 720 has Kinect 2.0 built in then we will be forced to buy Kinect, if for example the hardware cost $400 then we will pay $150 for Kinect hardware that alot of us don't want and won't use.

Secondly if the GUI uses kinect, what about people who use their Xbox in a smaller room, that don't have room to be waving their arms around to control the interface.

While I understand the business reasons, Kinect still irritates.

Why can't any company just focus on providing value and service to core gamers? Everybody's busy inventing tablet controllers and all kind of stupid schit, nobody's focused on just having a normal controller and making great games.

ZombieKiller7

• Halo 4
• Assasins Creed III
• COD BO 2
• Gears III
• Gears Judgement
• Forza Horizon
• The Witcher 2
• Skyrim
• Tomb Raider
• Tekken Tag 2
• DOA 5
• Minecraft
• Borderlands 2
• XCOM
• Darksiders 2
• GTA 5
• Crysis 3
• Devil May Cry
• Sonic Allstars Racing 2
• Dust
• Bioshock Infinite
• MGS: Zeroes

I'm sorry are those games not playable on the 360? :|

No.Blabadon

Nah...If its too kinect-heavy I won't buy it. Plenty of other options available.

The only people saying Kinect will be the prime focus are Cows; because they want to discourage people from getting the next XBox.

Sad, really...

The only people saying Kinect will be the prime focus are Cows; because they want to discourage people from getting the next XBox.

Sad, really...

StormyJoe

The only people saying Kinect will be the prime focus are Cows; because they want to discourage people from getting the next XBox.

Sad, really...

StormyJoe

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

With Kinect crippling the Xbox360 core gaming focus, are you worried that MS will do the same thing next gen?

I've been thinking

If 720 has Kinect 2.0 built in then we will be forced to buy Kinect, if for example the hardware cost $400 then we will pay $150 for Kinect hardware that alot of us don't want and won't use.

Secondly if the GUI uses kinect, what about people who use their Xbox in a smaller room, that don't have room to be waving their arms around to control the interface.

While I understand the business reasons, Kinect still irritates.

Why can't any company just focus on providing value and service to core gamers? Everybody's busy inventing tablet controllers and all kind of stupid schit, nobody's focused on just having a normal controller and making great games.

OhSnapitz

• Halo 4
• Assasins Creed III
• COD BO 2
• Gears III
• Gears Judgement
• Forza Horizon
• The Witcher 2
• Skyrim
• Tomb Raider
• Tekken Tag 2
• DOA 5
• Minecraft
• Borderlands 2
• XCOM
• Darksiders 2
• GTA 5
• Crysis 3
• Devil May Cry
• Sonic Allstars Racing 2
• Dust
• Bioshock Infinite
• MGS: Zeroes

I'm sorry are those games not playable on the 360? :|

Being ABLE to play core games is not the same as having a core gamer focus.

Any benefit to average gamers is accidental, not part of the "Xbox 5 year plan."

We are nowhere in their plan, except to milk us to finance crummy dancing games.

Halo Gears Forza is not a "library."

That's like saying "WiiU is giving us CoD" no, it's not, it's just helping to finance the next iteration of Nintendogs.

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

With Kinect crippling the Xbox360 core gaming focus, are you worried that MS will do the same thing next gen?

I've been thinking

If 720 has Kinect 2.0 built in then we will be forced to buy Kinect, if for example the hardware cost $400 then we will pay $150 for Kinect hardware that alot of us don't want and won't use.

Secondly if the GUI uses kinect, what about people who use their Xbox in a smaller room, that don't have room to be waving their arms around to control the interface.

While I understand the business reasons, Kinect still irritates.

Why can't any company just focus on providing value and service to core gamers? Everybody's busy inventing tablet controllers and all kind of stupid schit, nobody's focused on just having a normal controller and making great games.

OhSnapitz

• Halo 4
• Assasins Creed III
• COD BO 2
• Gears III
• Gears Judgement
• Forza Horizon
• The Witcher 2
• Skyrim
• Tomb Raider
• Tekken Tag 2
• DOA 5
• Minecraft
• Borderlands 2
• XCOM
• Darksiders 2
• GTA 5
• Crysis 3
• Devil May Cry
• Sonic Allstars Racing 2
• Dust
• Bioshock Infinite
• MGS: Zeroes

I'm sorry are those games not playable on the 360? :|

notice how most of what you listed is multiplats that can be played on other platforms, what about first party/third party exclusives, kinect is basically being tacked onto almost every Xbox 360 exclusive these days.

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

The only people saying Kinect will be the prime focus are Cows; because they want to discourage people from getting the next XBox.

Sad, really...

OhSnapitz

Well we already know that Kinect 2.0 will be built in.

How do you feel about paying for something you won't use?

They should be indeed

good post zombo

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

With Kinect crippling the Xbox360 core gaming focus, are you worried that MS will do the same thing next gen?

I've been thinking

If 720 has Kinect 2.0 built in then we will be forced to buy Kinect, if for example the hardware cost $400 then we will pay $150 for Kinect hardware that alot of us don't want and won't use.

Secondly if the GUI uses kinect, what about people who use their Xbox in a smaller room, that don't have room to be waving their arms around to control the interface.

While I understand the business reasons, Kinect still irritates.

Why can't any company just focus on providing value and service to core gamers? Everybody's busy inventing tablet controllers and all kind of stupid schit, nobody's focused on just having a normal controller and making great games.

ZombieKiller7

• Halo 4
• Assasins Creed III
• COD BO 2
• Gears III
• Gears Judgement
• Forza Horizon
• The Witcher 2
• Skyrim
• Tomb Raider
• Tekken Tag 2
• DOA 5
• Minecraft
• Borderlands 2
• XCOM
• Darksiders 2
• GTA 5
• Crysis 3
• Devil May Cry
• Sonic Allstars Racing 2
• Dust
• Bioshock Infinite
• MGS: Zeroes

I'm sorry are those games not playable on the 360? :|

Being ABLE to play core games is not the same as having a core gamer focus.

Any benefit to average gamers is accidental, not part of the "Xbox 5 year plan."

We are nowhere in their plan, except to milk us to finance crummy dancing games.

Halo Gears Forza is not a "library."

That's like saying "WiiU is giving us CoD" no, it's not, it's just helping to finance the next iteration of Nintendogs.

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]

• Halo 4
• Assasins Creed III
• COD BO 2
• Gears III
• Gears Judgement
• Forza Horizon
• The Witcher 2
• Skyrim
• Tomb Raider
• Tekken Tag 2
• DOA 5
• Minecraft
• Borderlands 2
• XCOM
• Darksiders 2
• GTA 5
• Crysis 3
• Devil May Cry
• Sonic Allstars Racing 2
• Dust
• Bioshock Infinite
• MGS: Zeroes

I'm sorry are those games not playable on the 360? :|

OhSnapitz

Being ABLE to play core games is not the same as having a core gamer focus.

Any benefit to average gamers is accidental, not part of the "Xbox 5 year plan."

We are nowhere in their plan, except to milk us to finance crummy dancing games.

Halo Gears Forza is not a "library."

That's like saying "WiiU is giving us CoD" no, it's not, it's just helping to finance the next iteration of Nintendogs.

cuz PC isn't a major gaming platform

Ok I see now.. that'll explain why Minecraft, The Witcher 2, L4D, Mark of the Ninja, Dust, ect.. are available for the Wii and PS3.. :|OhSnapitz

Are you saying that Xbox was responsible for those games?

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

The only people saying Kinect will be the prime focus are Cows; because they want to discourage people from getting the next XBox.

Sad, really...

ZombieKiller7

Well we already know that Kinect 2.0 will be built in.

How do you feel about paying for something you won't use?

Who says no one will use it? I don't play Kinect games on my 360, but I have used Kinect for "Kinect enhanced" games. Issuing commands in ME3 with Kinect is nice, speaking the shouts in Skyrim is even better. I wouldn't buy a Kinect for that (I got mine off a buddy), but I would use that functionality if it were built in.

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

Being ABLE to play core games is not the same as having a core gamer focus.

Any benefit to average gamers is accidental, not part of the "Xbox 5 year plan."

We are nowhere in their plan, except to milk us to finance crummy dancing games.

Halo Gears Forza is not a "library."

That's like saying "WiiU is giving us CoD" no, it's not, it's just helping to finance the next iteration of Nintendogs.

NoodleFighter

cuz PC isn't a major gaming platform

This is about as relevant as me asking "Hermits are you afraid that touch enabled monitors will ruin the PC". Kinect is simply an input device that the manufacturer (MS) wants to do well. But it is developers who determine what games to invest their time and money in, not MS. So when people say "M$ is focusing on Kinect" it really lets me know that they don't understand how business works. Unless you think M$ has called developers and told them NOT to make non kinect games.lhughey

The analogy would be if Steam spent $60 million to develop "Touch Screen Cheerleaders" and required that every PC have a touch screen monitor.

If that happened, hermits would be upset (and rightly so)

But lems just go "oh well I just won't use the touch screen feature."

Are you kidding me?

Who says no one will use it? I don't play Kinect games on my 360, but I have used Kinect for "Kinect enhanced" games. Issuing commands in ME3 with Kinect is nice, speaking the shouts in Skyrim is even better. I wouldn't buy a Kinect for that (I got mine off a buddy), but I would use that functionality if it were built in.

StormyJoe

Yeah cuz yelling "SQUAD GO LEFT" at your TV is easier than pressing d-pad.

They should be.

Obviously_Right

They should be.

GamerwillzPS

I'm not worried, more ways to play and better integration with current games is the goal. I treat Kinect as a peripheral for upcoming games such as Dead Space 3 and Splinter Cell: Blacklist. Kinect also has some great features to have that are quite enjoyable in the house. I can't wait for Kinect 2.0 as the hope is to ever expand my ways to mess around and play, to have fun and enjoy the technology. I sometimes, you know, just want to relax while saying "Xbox, Bing, Prometheus" with the controller down and my feet up watching a movie.

[QUOTE="Blabadon"]No.Cheleman

They should be.

GamerwillzPS

I'm not worried, more ways to play and better integration with current games is the goal. I treat Kinect as a peripheral for upcoming games such as Dead Space 3 and Splinter Cell: Blacklist. Kinect also has some great features to have that are quite enjoyable in the house. I can't wait for Kinect 2.0 as the hope is to ever expand my ways to mess around and play, to have fun and enjoy the technology. I sometimes, you know, just want to relax while saying "Xbox, Bing, Prometheus" with the controller down and my feet up watching a movie.

AnXboxGuy

Best answer from a level 3.

Not a very appealing answer, but hey it's a valid opinion, this guy likes "more ways to play" it's a valid opinion right.

Just sad that MS stuffs the other %90 of us (who don't want "other ways to play") in the ass while wasting our development dollars on things for the %10 who actually like Kinect.

kinect is actually quite fun in moderate doses. unless you're playing it by yourself, in which case you're doing it wrong.

[QUOTE="AnXboxGuy"]

I'm not worried, more ways to play and better integration with current games is the goal. I treat Kinect as a peripheral for upcoming games such as Dead Space 3 and Splinter Cell: Blacklist. Kinect also has some great features to have that are quite enjoyable in the house. I can't wait for Kinect 2.0 as the hope is to ever expand my ways to mess around and play, to have fun and enjoy the technology. I sometimes, you know, just want to relax while saying "Xbox, Bing, Prometheus" with the controller down and my feet up watching a movie.

ZombieKiller7

Best answer from a level 3.

Not a very appealing answer, but hey it's a valid opinion, this guy likes "more ways to play" it's a valid opinion right.

Just sad that MS stuffs the other %90 of us (who don't want "other ways to play") in the ass while wasting our development dollars on things for the %10 who actually like Kinect.

Well, the thing is I'm happy for Kinect and the integration with games that it has. I don't buy tons of actual Kinect games though, but The Gunstringer and Dance Central 2 were great fun. I still play 90% regular games, but the appeal of Kinect is being able to incorporate more ways to play into the game. I know voice commands are slower than using your controller, but games such as Dead Space 3 look really promising as a fun way to go through the game, giving out commands.

kinect is actually quite fun in moderate doses. unless you're playing it by yourself, in which case you're doing it wrong.

KarateeeChop

Eh, I still don't find it fun. Got it as a gift a few years ago, I don't think I have used it since then.

Yes because there is no way in hell I will pay more than $300 for the rumored 1.2 Tflop console with or without Kinect built in. MS can shove it if they think I am going to subsidize garbage hardware with Xbox Live fees. I didn't mind paying for Live this gen when MS took a financial bloodbath selling 360's at $300 and $400 at launch. If MS is going to sell us hardware at cost then it better be free Gold or I won't bother with the Xbox brand next gen. I am already leaning to PS4 with rumors of PS4 being 50% faster than Xbox 720 and Sony having the Superior 1st Party devs. Next Gen the choice might be alot clearer. PS4 not only having the Graphical advantage, 1st party dev advantage AND Free Online. We will see if these Rumors stick but if they do I'll stick with Sony next gen and won't even buy the Nextbox even though I own both a PS3 and 360 this gen. Hopefully the rumors of there being 2 equal S.O.C. in the 720 are true. 1.2Tflop X 2 = 2.4 Tflop which would be competitive with Sony's rumored 1.8 Tflop Gpu + .6 Tflop APU = 2.4 Tflop.

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

[QUOTE="AnXboxGuy"]

I'm not worried, more ways to play and better integration with current games is the goal. I treat Kinect as a peripheral for upcoming games such as Dead Space 3 and Splinter Cell: Blacklist. Kinect also has some great features to have that are quite enjoyable in the house. I can't wait for Kinect 2.0 as the hope is to ever expand my ways to mess around and play, to have fun and enjoy the technology. I sometimes, you know, just want to relax while saying "Xbox, Bing, Prometheus" with the controller down and my feet up watching a movie.

AnXboxGuy

Best answer from a level 3.

Not a very appealing answer, but hey it's a valid opinion, this guy likes "more ways to play" it's a valid opinion right.

Just sad that MS stuffs the other %90 of us (who don't want "other ways to play") in the ass while wasting our development dollars on things for the %10 who actually like Kinect.

Well, the thing is I'm happy for Kinect and the integration with games that it has. I don't buy tons of actual Kinect games though, but The Gunstringer and Dance Central 2 were great fun. I still play 90% regular games, but the appeal of Kinect is being able to incorporate more ways to play into the game. I know voice commands are slower than using your controller, but games such as Dead Space 3 look really promising as a fun way to go through the game, giving out commands.

I wish Kinect appealed to me.

My 360 is in my bedroom next to a window, like 2 feet from a recliner, I have zero hope of playing Dance Central.

Also have people in the house, I can't be yelling "SQUAD GO LEFT!"" at 1am.

If I had a different living situation it might be fun to be silly and try these things out.

Oh well.

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

Who says no one will use it? I don't play Kinect games on my 360, but I have used Kinect for "Kinect enhanced" games. Issuing commands in ME3 with Kinect is nice, speaking the shouts in Skyrim is even better. I wouldn't buy a Kinect for that (I got mine off a buddy), but I would use that functionality if it were built in.

ZombieKiller7

Yeah cuz yelling "SQUAD GO LEFT" at your TV is easier than pressing d-pad.

Ahh... someone who has never used it before. It's more like this: "Liara, Warp", and Liara (providing she is in your squad at the time), fires a Warp Biotic blast at the target you have in your crosshairs. That's a lot more fluid than: stopping game play, brigingin up the radial menu, scrolling over to Liara, and clicking on the "Warp" biotic icon; wouldn't you say?

As for Skyrim, yelling FUS RU DAH at your TV to have your character use Unrelenting Force is hella fun.

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

Who says no one will use it? I don't play Kinect games on my 360, but I have used Kinect for "Kinect enhanced" games. Issuing commands in ME3 with Kinect is nice, speaking the shouts in Skyrim is even better. I wouldn't buy a Kinect for that (I got mine off a buddy), but I would use that functionality if it were built in.

StormyJoe

Yeah cuz yelling "SQUAD GO LEFT" at your TV is easier than pressing d-pad.

Ahh... someone who has never used it before. It's more like this: "Liara, Warp", and Liara (providing she is in your squad at the time), fires a Warp Biotic blast at the target you have in your crosshairs. That's a lot more fluid than: stopping game play, brigingin up the radial menu, scrolling over to Liara, and clicking on the "Warp" biotic icon; wouldn't you say?

As for Skyrim, yelling FUS RU DAH at your TV to have your character use Unrelenting Force is hella fun.

It's a f*cking sacrilege.

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

Being ABLE to play core games is not the same as having a core gamer focus.

Any benefit to average gamers is accidental, not part of the "Xbox 5 year plan."

We are nowhere in their plan, except to milk us to finance crummy dancing games.

Halo Gears Forza is not a "library."

That's like saying "WiiU is giving us CoD" no, it's not, it's just helping to finance the next iteration of Nintendogs.

NoodleFighter

cuz PC isn't a major gaming platform

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"] Ok I see now.. that'll explain why Minecraft, The Witcher 2, L4D, Mark of the Ninja, Dust, ect.. are available for the Wii and PS3.. :|OhSnapitz

cuz PC isn't a major gaming platform

If a game is on the 360 and PC that only means a bad thing for the 360. The PC is unaffected by multiplat status, and Wii/PS3 owners, that can't play the game on their consoles, also somehow benefit.

Nope. I don't doubt it will have a more central role than this gen, but I doubt Microsoft are going to ostracize an entire portion of their market.

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"] Ok I see now.. that'll explain why Minecraft, The Witcher 2, L4D, Mark of the Ninja, Dust, ect.. are available for the Wii and PS3.. :|OhSnapitz

cuz PC isn't a major gaming platform

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

Yeah cuz yelling "SQUAD GO LEFT" at your TV is easier than pressing d-pad.

ZombieKiller7

Ahh... someone who has never used it before. It's more like this: "Liara, Warp", and Liara (providing she is in your squad at the time), fires a Warp Biotic blast at the target you have in your crosshairs. That's a lot more fluid than: stopping game play, brigingin up the radial menu, scrolling over to Liara, and clicking on the "Warp" biotic icon; wouldn't you say?

As for Skyrim, yelling FUS RU DAH at your TV to have your character use Unrelenting Force is hella fun.

It's a f*cking sacrilege.

The only people saying Kinect will be the prime focus are Cows; because they want to discourage people from getting the next XBox.

Sad, really...

StormyJoe

i have a WIIU so nope not worried

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

Ahh... someone who has never used it before. It's more like this: "Liara, Warp", and Liara (providing she is in your squad at the time), fires a Warp Biotic blast at the target you have in your crosshairs. That's a lot more fluid than: stopping game play, brigingin up the radial menu, scrolling over to Liara, and clicking on the "Warp" biotic icon; wouldn't you say?

As for Skyrim, yelling FUS RU DAH at your TV to have your character use Unrelenting Force is hella fun.

FastEddie2121

It's a f*cking sacrilege.

touche