John Carmack:You need a 3.68 Teraflop GPU to match PS4's GPU

[QUOTE="LordOfPoms"][QUOTE="Mrmedia01"]

John is a smart man. I trust him. Afterall come on he knows more about this stuff than any of us in this forum.

clyde46

[QUOTE="infinite884"]

kind of think Carmack knows more about GPU's then everyone who claims he's wrong. PC gamers just been owned, just go in the corner and be quiet

clyde46

He's just someone who pointed that John Carmack owned hermits and you should go in the corner and be quiet.

Ok, j/k, but now, seriously, how can people here deny that PC's can't match consoles when given equal hardware, or even a somewhat superior hardware?

It's common knowledge: you need something far stronger to actually surpass them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E1rvJAMC78

:cool: if anyone hasn't seen it :lol:

[QUOTE="infinite884"]

kind of think Carmack knows more about GPU's then everyone who claims he's wrong. PC gamers just been owned, just go in the corner and be quiet

clyde46

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="infinite884"]

kind of think Carmack knows more about GPU's then everyone who claims he's wrong. PC gamers just been owned, just go in the corner and be quiet

infinite884

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]Lets wait and see huh? :) Remember before the last launch when the cell would end the PC, cure cancer and bring world peace?SambaLele

Wait and see? You're a level 67, you didn't start playing yesterday.

You probably already saw many generations of consoles, and how the hardware ends up being utilized in a much more optmized way than PC hardware.

Like I mentioned in another thread, try to run Bioshock Infinite, with all the features the 360/PS3 have on, on 720p, with a 2005 PC and see what you get.

One guy tried to bring a video of a system with a Intel i5 2430M + Radeon HD 6470M (which is 6 generations ahead of 360's GPU) and still couldn't match it.

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/29421263/tech-analysis-watch-dogs-on-playstation-4?msg_id=341051738#341051738

EDIT: I'm not saying that new consoles are superior to everything that's gonna be on the market for years, only that Carmack is saying the truth. You need a 2x stronger hardware (maybe even more than that) to match consoles.

[QUOTE="mastershake575"]

What a complete joke. My 8600GTS of last generation was basically a 7800 with unified shaders and I ran most games better than the consoles (and this was with the consoles NOT using pc architecture like they are this generation......).

Shewgenja

But no 360 or PS3 game anywahere close to Crysis this gen.:( Damn, I'm sure this time they will definitely squeezed teh 2x powah.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="infinite884"]

kind of think Carmack knows more about GPU's then everyone who claims he's wrong. PC gamers just been owned, just go in the corner and be quiet

SambaLele

He's just someone who pointed that John Carmack owned hermits and you should go in the corner and be quiet.

Ok, j/k, but now, seriously, how can people here deny that PC's can't match consoles when given equal hardware, or even a somewhat superior hardware?

It's common knowledge: you need something far stronger to actually surpass them.

[QUOTE="infinite884"][QUOTE="clyde46"] Who are you? clyde46

you know who I am, clyde. You know

[QUOTE="GioVela2010"][QUOTE="04dcarraher"] lol even so if we were stuck with a 8600GTS and if those games came to pc it would look better on the 8600GTS then it would have on the current consoles. 04dcarraher

O yes that's why pc's with gpu's that just as weak as the 360 is able to get comparable results as it.....

The only console system that actually has optimization you can actually see is the PS4.

Carmack is just spouting propaganda per usual.  ID stopped being relvant the moment they made rage. It's over guys, deal with it.

[QUOTE="SambaLele"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]Lets wait and see huh? :) Remember before the last launch when the cell would end the PC, cure cancer and bring world peace?blue_hazy_basic

Wait and see? You're a level 67, you didn't start playing yesterday.

You probably already saw many generations of consoles, and how the hardware ends up being utilized in a much more optmized way than PC hardware.

Like I mentioned in another thread, try to run Bioshock Infinite, with all the features the 360/PS3 have on, on 720p, with a 2005 PC and see what you get.

One guy tried to bring a video of a system with a Intel i5 2430M + Radeon HD 6470M (which is 6 generations ahead of 360's GPU) and still couldn't match it.

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/29421263/tech-analysis-watch-dogs-on-playstation-4?msg_id=341051738#341051738

EDIT: I'm not saying that new consoles are superior to everything that's gonna be on the market for years, only that Carmack is saying the truth. You need a 2x stronger hardware (maybe even more than that) to match consoles.

The CELL just took a tiny little bit to be properly used... like 6-7 years... and only some 1st/2nd party studios can real use its full power.

Good thing Sony hired someone with brains to create the PS4!

Cows are trying to hang on for dear life. First, they are informed that their console has no in-game advantage over the X1, then they are cursed with a terrible launch line up, and then the news of Sony supporting Iran.

Epic fail

Source:

http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/sony-admits-selling-iran-131248141.html

Carmack is just spouting propaganda per usual.  ID stopped being relvant the moment they made rage. It's over guys, deal with it.

uninspiredcup

I'm buying the PS4 for its world class exclusives, I have a gaming PC when performance matters to me. Heil68

HMMM who do we believe? non logical, delusional, system war fanboys that dont present absolutely any facts or a very renowned developer who has been in the business for so long? 

stay mad hermts/lemmings, 

john is running at 3.68 terahype.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E1rvJAMC78

I wish carmack could give a explanation behind this :lol:

[QUOTE="SambaLele"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]Lets wait and see huh? :) Remember before the last launch when the cell would end the PC, cure cancer and bring world peace?blue_hazy_basic

Wait and see? You're a level 67, you didn't start playing yesterday.

You probably already saw many generations of consoles, and how the hardware ends up being utilized in a much more optmized way than PC hardware.

Like I mentioned in another thread, try to run Bioshock Infinite, with all the features the 360/PS3 have on, on 720p, with a 2005 PC and see what you get.

One guy tried to bring a video of a system with a Intel i5 2430M + Radeon HD 6470M (which is 6 generations ahead of 360's GPU) and still couldn't match it.

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/29421263/tech-analysis-watch-dogs-on-playstation-4?msg_id=341051738#341051738

EDIT: I'm not saying that new consoles are superior to everything that's gonna be on the market for years, only that Carmack is saying the truth. You need a 2x stronger hardware (maybe even more than that) to match consoles.

Of course I remember what was claimed about the Cell in this forum.

But do you remember John Carmack saying the same things about it in the industry?

In fact, he was doubtful of it being used for games:

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2299

But again, you agreed that console's have a more optimized hardware, so what is wrong with this recent Carmack affirmation?

[QUOTE="uninspiredcup"]

Carmack is just spouting propaganda per usual.  ID stopped being relvant the moment they made rage. It's over guys, deal with it.

clyde46

But wat he said makes him less intelligent

HMMM who do we believe? non logical, delusional, system war fanboys that dont present absolutely any facts or a very renowned developer who has been in the business for so long? 

 

stay mad hermts/lemmings, 

xboxiphoneps3

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="GioVela2010"] Not without single spec optimization, try againGioVela2010

O yes that's why pc's with gpu's that just as weak as the 360 is able to get comparable results as it.....

The only console system that actually has optimization you can actually see is the PS4.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="uninspiredcup"]

Carmack is just spouting propaganda per usual.  ID stopped being relvant the moment they made rage. It's over guys, deal with it.

John_Read

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E1rvJAMC78

 

I wish carmack could give a explanation behind this :lol:

 

 

 &TheFadeForever

I guess you cearly don't get what he meant

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E1rvJAMC78

 

Crysis being played on a PC with similar GPU to current gen console yet the console version doesn't look as good where the optimization :lol:

 

TheFadeForever

But again, you agreed that console's have a more optimized hardware, so what is wrong with this recent Carmack affirmation?SambaLele

Lol. This is so old and he never says anything about PS4 or Titan. Never specifies the GPU. 

Let's see what he really has to say about next-gen consoles:

"If you take a current game like Halo which is a 30 hertz game at 720p; if you run that at 1080p, 60 frames with high dynamic frame buffers, all of a sudden you've sucked up all the power you have in the next-generation."

Good point person. if the Playstation 4 is so amazing how come not a single game looks as good as Crysis 3?

And please... dont attempt to use the old man head demo, nvidia used one real time, it was much more impressive.

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"]

This topic may be old but I want to reiterate on wasdie's beautiful post that PC's have a lot of bullshit overhead to deal with so they gimp their games to the lowest specs. From the legend Carmack himself. Hermits lining up for a Titan as we speak.

Now this "My PC is better" bullshit can rest, unless you own a Titan.

ronvalencia

[QUOTE="SambaLele"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] Who are you? 04dcarraher

He's just someone who pointed that John Carmack owned hermits and you should go in the corner and be quiet.

Ok, j/k, but now, seriously, how can people here deny that PC's can't match consoles when given equal hardware, or even a somewhat superior hardware?

It's common knowledge: you need something far stronger to actually surpass them.

In fact the card that is closer to the 360/PS3's in those charts would be the GeForce 7900, which is still stronger than them. And the card is doing worse than these consoles, given that, althought the resolution is higher, there is no specification of CPU, memory, etc. being used, and I'd doubt they were running those tests with a 2005 CPU and RAM.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"]

This topic may be old but I want to reiterate on wasdie's beautiful post that PC's have a lot of bullshit overhead to deal with so they gimp their games to the lowest specs. From the legend Carmack himself. Hermits lining up for a Titan as we speak.

Now this "My PC is better" bullshit can rest, unless you own a Titan.

faizan_faizan

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"]

This topic may be old but I want to reiterate on wasdie's beautiful post that PC's have a lot of bullshit overhead to deal with so they gimp their games to the lowest specs. From the legend Carmack himself. Hermits lining up for a Titan as we speak.

Now this "My PC is better" bullshit can rest, unless you own a Titan.

faizan_faizan

[QUOTE="SambaLele"]But again, you agreed that console's have a more optimized hardware, so what is wrong with this recent Carmack affirmation?blue_hazy_basic

The teraflop affirmation was something added by the TC. Carmack didn't say anything that specific.

I agree that a Titan would be overkill, but still, launch games on consoles can not represent the potential of their hardware.

Good point person. if the Playstation 4 is so amazing how come not a single game looks as good as Crysis 3?

And please... dont attempt to use the old man head demo, nvidia used one real time, it was much more impressive.

uninspiredcup

PC tech demonstrations look better than PS4 tech demonstrations.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"]

This topic may be old but I want to reiterate on wasdie's beautiful post that PC's have a lot of bullshit overhead to deal with so they gimp their games to the lowest specs. From the legend Carmack himself. Hermits lining up for a Titan as we speak.

Now this "My PC is better" bullshit can rest, unless you own a Titan.

faizan_faizan

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/29421263/tech-analysis-watch-dogs-on-playstation-4?msg_id=341051738#341051738

[QUOTE="uninspiredcup"]

Good point person. if the Playstation 4 is so amazing how come not a single game looks as good as Crysis 3?

And please... dont attempt to use the old man head demo, nvidia used one real time, it was much more impressive.

faizan_faizan

PC tech demonstrations look better than PS4 tech demonstrations.

Exactly. All Johns tech talk and shooting rockets into space and he can't remember to put a flashlight on a gun. 

How are we suppose to take him serously?

[QUOTE="GioVela2010"][QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

O yes that's why pc's with gpu's that just as weak as the 360 is able to get comparable results as it.....

The only console system that actually has optimization you can actually see is the PS4.

04dcarraher

Lol my pc is still way better than the ps4, u mad cows?

Lol my pc is still way better than the ps4, u mad cows?

deeliman

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="SambaLele"]But again, you agreed that console's have a more optimized hardware, so what is wrong with this recent Carmack affirmation?SambaLele

The teraflop affirmation was something added by the TC. Carmack didn't say anything that specific.

I agree that a Titan would be overkill, but still, launch games on consoles can not represent the potential of their hardware.