Is the 360 really pushing the industry forward?

All I see the 360 doing is building on everything that was successful last generation.
foxhound_fox

I think its next-gen. I mean really, it does everything better than last gen, and in my opinion better than the other next-gen systems. Its got a bunch of great games. I dont see it doing anything wrong, really.

I agree with you there. But don't you think change is needed? Eventually it will become boring if all they are doing is copying what people liked last gen. People liked last gen because it brought some new things to gaming, yet still kept the focus on games. I'm not quite sure the 360 pulls that off yet.
the-very-best

i think theres a limit on how much "NEW" developers can do, as time goes on games get more and more limited.

BUT, there will always be "Different" games such as Spore and etc. But to answer your question, i think no one could ask more from what the 360 is already doing game wise. In the sense its getting good games out at a substantial pace.

What do you guys think? Is the 360 pushing the industry forward?

I look at the 360 and while I do think it's a great console I don't see anything in it that screams out "next gen". It sometimes just feels like an Xbox with updated graphics. I also have the same problem with the PS3 but I feel it offers more (you have to pay much more too though).

It seems to me as if MS is simply going after one key demographic: male teens. They've got games like Mass Effect, Halo, Gears, and not really much variety in their library with the odd exception of games like Kameo, or Banjo.

We all talk about Wii's novelty wearing off but how much longer will people put up with the 360 if they realize it's not bringing anything majorly new to the table?

Perhaps I'm being to critical... What do you guys think? Agree/Disagree?
the-very-best

What do you guys think? Is the 360 pushing the industry forward?

I look at the 360 and while I do think it's a great console I don't see anything in it that screams out "next gen". It sometimes just feels like an Xbox with updated graphics. I also have the same problem with the PS3 but I feel it offers more (you have to pay much more too though).

It seems to me as if MS is simply going after one key demographic: male teens. They've got games like Mass Effect, Halo, Gears, and not really much variety in their library with the odd exception of games like Kameo, or Banjo.

We all talk about Wii's novelty wearing off but how much longer will people put up with the 360 if they realize it's not bringing anything majorly new to the table?

Perhaps I'm being to critical... What do you guys think? Agree/Disagree?
the-very-best

I agree as long as you add the words so far and remove the highlighted.cakeorrdeath

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I agree as long as you add the words so far and remove the highlighted.the-very-best

So you think it may offer more in the future. You don't think the 360 will offer more in the future as well?
cakeorrdeath

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So you think it may offer more in the future. You don't think the 360 will offer more in the future as well?
the-very-best

It's up to the developers, not the 360/MS to push the industry foward and to bring something new to the table.Baird-06

But it's up to the hardware developers (in this case, MS) to give developers the tools they need to develop something great and push the industry forward.

But I do think the 360 is pushing the industry forward. It's a great gaming platform, with a nice selection of great titles, and the developers are doing great things with it. I don't see MS holding back the industry by not pushing a new disk format or including a motion sensitive controller, because it has proven that it can deliver great gaming experiences without either one of those.

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So you think it may offer more in the future. You don't think the 360 will offer more in the future as well?
the-very-best

Xbox 360's brilliant contribution to gaming:

Achievement Unlocked!

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I agree as long as you add the words so far and remove the highlighted.the-very-best

[QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"]

I agree as long as you add the words so far and remove the highlighted.ringuzi

I'm pretty sure all the systems have a lot more potential to be shown.None of the 360 games haven't even exploited the multiple cores properly yet.
cakeorrdeath

What are you looking for in groundbreakin. I dont see anything groundbreakin on PS3 or Wii. In fact Xbox live come across more ground breaking then both the Wii and PS3 put together. Funny how a offical PS3 magazine was closed, because the Playstation store was suppose to make it obsolete. Yet 360 one which provides more demos then PS3 can count to, still has one going.ps3-nikita

[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"]I'm pretty sure all the systems have a lot more potential to be shown.None of the 360 games haven't even exploited the multiple cores properly yet.
the-very-best

What do you guys think? Is the 360 pushing the industry forward?

I look at the 360 and while I do think it's a great console I don't see anything in it that screams out "next gen". It sometimes just feels like an Xbox with updated graphics. I also have the same problem with the PS3 but I feel it offers more (you have to pay much more too though).

It seems to me as if MS is simply going after one key demographic: male teens. They've got games like Mass Effect, Halo, Gears, and not really much variety in their library with the odd exception of games like Kameo, or Banjo.

We all talk about Wii's novelty wearing off but how much longer will people put up with the 360 if they realize it's not bringing anything majorly new to the table?

Perhaps I'm being to critical... What do you guys think? Agree/Disagree?
the-very-best

i would consider how there pushing live as moving the industry forward. it may have been available last gen but this time there really getting devs on board. at the moment only a handful of games that have multiplayer dont support online, you could go as far as saying its pretty much the norm.

then theres live anywhere which is bringing platforms together live mobile and live arcade, pc and 360. i wouldnt rule out the possibility of 360 and ps3 in the future either.

another thing that should get a mention is xna. its not the first dev kit for consoles (i think ps1 had something called yarez) but it is the first to offer such a distribution method. microsoft have already got the program out to a number of colleges and universities that support game development courses, a number of forums have there own product going and there are plenty of movies and demos floating round the internet of what people have made (360.qj.net often shows these).

i am very happy from what iv seen from microsoft so far and look forward to what they show in the future.

Motion sensing and UI isn't the only way to advance games. Just look at something like Spore and you can see ways games can offer domething new which has absolutely nothing to do with a new UI.

Why would the 360 reach its limit in a couple of years? What possible evidence do you have for thinking this?

The 360 is further removed from the Xbox than the PS2 was from the PS1.
cakeorrdeath

i would consider how there pushing live as moving the industry forward. it may have been available last gen but this time there really getting devs on board. at the moment only a handful of games that have multiplayer dont support online, you could go as far as saying its pretty much the norm.

then theres live anywhere which is bringing platforms together live mobile and live arcade, pc and 360. i wouldnt rule out the possibility of 360 and ps3 in the future either.

another thing that should get a mention is xna. its not the first dev kit for consoles (i think ps1 had something called yarez) but it is the first to offer such a distribution method. microsoft have already got the program out to a number of colleges and universities that support game development courses, a number of forums have there own product going and there are plenty of movies and demos floating round the internet of what people have made (360.qj.net often shows these).

i am very happy from what iv seen from microsoft so far and look forward to what they show in the future.

mirlegend

What do you guys think? Is the 360 pushing the industry forward?

I look at the 360 and while I do think it's a great console I don't see anything in it that screams out "next gen". It sometimes just feels like an Xbox with updated graphics. I also have the same problem with the PS3 but I feel it offers more (you have to pay much more too though).

It seems to me as if MS is simply going after one key demographic: male teens. They've got games like Mass Effect, Halo, Gears, and not really much variety in their library with the odd exception of games like Kameo, or Banjo.

We all talk about Wii's novelty wearing off but how much longer will people put up with the 360 if they realize it's not bringing anything majorly new to the table?

Perhaps I'm being to critical... What do you guys think? Agree/Disagree?
the-very-best

[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"]Motion sensing and UI isn't the only way to advance games. Just look at something like Spore and you can see ways games can offer domething new which has absolutely nothing to do with a new UI.

Why would the 360 reach its limit in a couple of years? What possible evidence do you have for thinking this?

The 360 is further removed from the Xbox than the PS2 was from the PS1.
the-very-best

xna can be used as a creative outlet for 360 just as motion sensing can be used for ps3/wii. eventually xna will be able to use xbox live for online multiplayer. with careful consideration and imagination you can get very creative with multiplayer and do some unique things. theres also the vision camera to take into consideration. i dont see why that wont be added to xna in the future with its abilities (one of which is motion sensing).

It seems to me as if MS is simply going after one key demographic: male teens.


Perhaps I'm being to critical... What do you guys think? Agree/Disagree?
the-very-best

well to that i disagree, wat about game like viva pinata and fuzion frenzy 2

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i would consider how there pushing live as moving the industry forward. it may have been available last gen but this time there really getting devs on board. at the moment only a handful of games that have multiplayer dont support online, you could go as far as saying its pretty much the norm.

then theres live anywhere which is bringing platforms together live mobile and live arcade, pc and 360. i wouldnt rule out the possibility of 360 and ps3 in the future either.

another thing that should get a mention is xna. its not the first dev kit for consoles (i think ps1 had something called yarez) but it is the first to offer such a distribution method. microsoft have already got the program out to a number of colleges and universities that support game development courses, a number of forums have there own product going and there are plenty of movies and demos floating round the internet of what people have made (360.qj.net often shows these).

i am very happy from what iv seen from microsoft so far and look forward to what they show in the future.

shungokustasu

for consoles it is. for xbox 1 online was something like 1 in 10 games now its it most of them on 360.

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It seems to me as if MS is simply going after one key demographic: male teens.


Perhaps I'm being to critical... What do you guys think? Agree/Disagree?
Aerosmith_Lova

well to that i disagree, wat about game like viva pinata and fuzion frenzy 2

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="mirlegend"]

i would consider how there pushing live as moving the industry forward. it may have been available last gen but this time there really getting devs on board. at the moment only a handful of games that have multiplayer dont support online, you could go as far as saying its pretty much the norm.

then theres live anywhere which is bringing platforms together live mobile and live arcade, pc and 360. i wouldnt rule out the possibility of 360 and ps3 in the future either.

another thing that should get a mention is xna. its not the first dev kit for consoles (i think ps1 had something called yarez) but it is the first to offer such a distribution method. microsoft have already got the program out to a number of colleges and universities that support game development courses, a number of forums have there own product going and there are plenty of movies and demos floating round the internet of what people have made (360.qj.net often shows these).

i am very happy from what iv seen from microsoft so far and look forward to what they show in the future.

mirlegend

for consoles it is. for xbox 1 online was something like 1 in 10 games now its it most of them on 360.

Xbox Live is a bigger innovation then motion sensor. BioShockOwnz

What do you guys think? Is the 360 pushing the industry forward?

I look at the 360 and while I do think it's a great console I don't see anything in it that screams out "next gen". It sometimes just feels like an Xbox with updated graphics. I also have the same problem with the PS3 but I feel it offers more (you have to pay much more too though).

It seems to me as if MS is simply going after one key demographic: male teens. They've got games like Mass Effect, Halo, Gears, and not really much variety in their library with the odd exception of games like Kameo, or Banjo.

We all talk about Wii's novelty wearing off but how much longer will people put up with the 360 if they realize it's not bringing anything majorly new to the table?

Perhaps I'm being to critical... What do you guys think? Agree/Disagree?
the-very-best

I agree to an extent with what you are saying. The 360, even though it is a great system, very great indeed, it is essentially xbox with steroids and a better xbox live as well as hddvd thingy (dont know much about it -.-). And ps3 is essentially ps2 with steroids, psn, and blu ray. Wii is bringing something new to the table, but at the same time they are drastically cutting back on graphics. I personally dont think that there is anything... original left in the world, its just something thats been done before, but made to look better and more colorful.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Xbox Live is a bigger innovation then motion sensor. the-very-best

[QUOTE="mirlegend"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="mirlegend"]

i would consider how there pushing live as moving the industry forward. it may have been available last gen but this time there really getting devs on board. at the moment only a handful of games that have multiplayer dont support online, you could go as far as saying its pretty much the norm.

then theres live anywhere which is bringing platforms together live mobile and live arcade, pc and 360. i wouldnt rule out the possibility of 360 and ps3 in the future either.

another thing that should get a mention is xna. its not the first dev kit for consoles (i think ps1 had something called yarez) but it is the first to offer such a distribution method. microsoft have already got the program out to a number of colleges and universities that support game development courses, a number of forums have there own product going and there are plenty of movies and demos floating round the internet of what people have made (360.qj.net often shows these).

i am very happy from what iv seen from microsoft so far and look forward to what they show in the future.

shungokustasu

for consoles it is. for xbox 1 online was something like 1 in 10 games now its it most of them on 360.

its pushing it forward by making it close to expectance that games that feature a multiplayer mode will be online multiplayer for 360 and hopefully by the end of the gen all 3 machines.