Is Sony moneyhatting a reason to be happy and why?

Cows love to play the victim roles. Always putting the blame on someone else while ignoring THEIR own history.

They're not called the jokes of SWs for no reason.

I can't speak for MGS but Squaresoft put FFVII on the PS1 ultimately because they wanted the CD-Rom media for their cutscenes. N64 cartridges simply would have been too costly to publish the game on. It had nothing to do with a moneyhat move. A real gamer would know these things rather than try to spin some ancient ass shit to protect their console of choice.

The only victim of MS are its customers and Rare.

And now you are crying like a bitch, it's pretty interesting how that works.

All lems gloated about money hatted Titanfall and the recent Tomb Raider timed exclusive announcement...so why all of a sudden are you pitching a fit because Sony did it?

lol it's comical how lemmings are such sore losers this gen. Everything you lems have hyped Sony has turned around and done it better and then you guys act like victims crying foul and "no fair". lol

Cry Moar!

Depends on the reasoning for the game being exclusive. If the publisher deemed it financially wise to make it for those platforms or if Sony funded the whole project, then that's fine. If however Sony payed to keep it off of competitor's systems, then no gamer should be happy about that.

A "real gamer" doesn't put limits to 1 or 2 consoles. A "real gamer" doesn't consistently bash the other just for the sake of bashing or because they didn't agree with some of their choices. You're not a "real gamer" cow. You're almost as bad as El Tormented.

it is a reason for EXTREME happinesses. lems are finally getting a taste of their own medicine, bu-bu-bu sony dont have money!!!!! bu-bu-bu sony need to sell offices!!! lmao

MGS1 was actually going to release for 3do but it flopped bad so they switched dev to ps1. blackace again spreading lies lmao bu-bu-bu true gamers!!!!! haha shut it u clown, u are a LEM, a filthy yellow LEM

Yep. FF7 was going to be on the N64 until Nintendo revealed their poor choice for cartridge alienating publishers and developers that had started work on the CD based Saturn and Playstation the year prior. True gamers would know that instead of rewriting gaming history to suit an agenda.

Metal Gear Solid also relied on the CD-ROM space as well but Kojima at that point in time had already bounced around the industry even releasing his game on the Nintendo competition SEGA to exploit the emerging CD Rom technology (sound and space). Kojima's Snatcher was released on Sega CD (prior to Xbox or Playstation existed). The last to release of the big three back then, the N64, was out of the running for MGS for the same reason FF7 was, Nintendo's poor choice to go cartridge. Kojima wasn't even responsible for the NES port of the original MG anyways. This is also why the CD based PC got ports of FF7 and MGS.

So the question is he lying because he is hoping others don't know this as it's ancient history or does he truly believe the falsehoods he typed? He has done this many times, making up false claims about history and I've often wondered is he truly confused or lying? He has been confronted on this point many times and he usually either doesn't come back or he comes back and flames and trolls users for calling out the lies. It seems to me he has been trying to prey on others Naivety for some time, or he really just has been confused for many years.

What I do know is he has done this before and usually his M.O. is that he doesn't return and goes on with his life...only to try again months later. He does this on a variety of subjects. Perhaps he has success in smaller forums offsite and continues his propaganda parades elsewhere. Maybe he has a mentor that brainwashed him into believing the falsehoods. It's puzzled me for a few years now.

Either way, he spouted inaccurate spins of FFVII and MGS in hopes of mounting a some sort of strange Xbox defense.

The problem i've been having with this theory is the PC version right from the start.

If Sony was funding SFV, when it would be impossible for it to exist, there's no chance in hell they'd allow a PC version to be announced from the get go.

Sure, a latter port like wtih DR3 and Ryse, or possibly what might happen with Sunset Overdrive and Deep Down, i could buy it. The IP still belongs to Capcom after all

But Sony never gives PC gaming any support from games they invest money in. Advertizing the pc version so clearly sure looks too much like moneyhatting.

Edit: That is, if there is indeed no xbox one version at all, until a new edition, like super/ultra/ect SFV. Seems to be the case so far

You are assuming Sony operates like Xbox which is not the case. Your examples of DR3 and Ryse only apply to Xbox operations, not Sony operations. The companies aren't the same.

Secondly, you are completely wrong when you said, "But Sony never gives PC gaming any support from games they invest money in".

Never?

NEVER?

It seems to me you have never heard of EverQuest, EverQuest II, The Matrix Online, PlanetSide, Star Wars Galaxies, Free Realms, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, DC Universe Online, PlanetSide 2, and more.

That's a lot of games to write off under the Sony Online Entertainment umbrella. We aren't even talking about one or two exceptions to the "NEVER", we are talking about an entire division of Sony that you are writing off into non-existence.

lol pretty much, and you even left off the unreleased HZN1, yet he claims to be a hermit lol. A hermit would know these things but in this case it only seems important for him to to cast doubt on the fact that this may never come to the xbox platform.

Honestly there is no reason for him to get so defensive about this as we will know sometime this weekend and unlike the Tomb Raider timed exclusive announcement which MS tired to make sound like an exclusive and CD had to clarify; "exclusively on PC and PS4" is pretty cut and dry. The only question is if it is only for Japan or WW.

Sony Online Entertainment has been PC focused from the beginning.

I'm talking about games that are on Playstation consoles that might end up on PC. Sony always goes in to get control of the IP (read Sunset Overdrive for that), or keep them away from PC abit (potential situation with Deep Down and Let it Die).

Hell, Sony isn't even allowing Resogun to come to PC.

You're telling me Sony invested the money to fund and develop this game from the ground up, yet they're allowing a simultanious release with PC when they don't even let a fucking indie twin stick shooter on the platform (for now atleast)? Cmon man.

Two wrongs don't make a right dude, just sayin.........

Not everyone will overlook it dude, and, as always, Flopster hits the Mark.

They do if MS gets pushed out of the market. Someone needs to make room for Steambox and it sure as shit doesn't need to be Nintendo.

@kinectthedots: your meltdowns are the best

the xbox controller is a crap controller to play fighters w/ anyway....

"Why are Cows jumping with joy when their beloved company is doing something they so furiously criticize when other companies do the same thing?"

It's hypocrisy man. Damian was spouting similar crap over TR and... some indie game.

Good on Sony, the same thing I said about Tomb Raider with Microsoft, these companies have to give reasons and selling points for their consoles. I couldn't care less if SF5 or Tomb Raider became full Ps4 and Xbox One exclusives, if I want to play those games I'll just have to buy those consoles. Pretty simple really.

Holy shit, sf5 is ps4 exclusive?

@deadline-zero0: "But Sony never gives PC gaming any support from games they invest money in".

You should focus on trying to get your story straight before going any further because you have already completely contradicted your original argument lol.

Sure, if by exclusive you mean on the PC as well. Then....no it's not exclusive.

@kinectthedots: hehe you're so cute

Dude, you said,

"Sony never gives PC gaming any support from games they invest money in"

I simply proved that wasn't true with Sony Online Entertainment. You may have meant something else, but I can only go on what you said and what you said wasn't true. Remember, I'm the guy that helped you understand Xbox published IPs in the other thread you made ( it seemed to be a Bloodborne PC port thread?), I'm well aware of these things. I'm not just debating for the sake of debating. You said Sony never did something that they did. If you meant Playstation 1st party games, then I agree Sony doesn't port those, but you didn't state that. You stated the inaccurate sentence I quoted above.

I never stated Sony invested money to fund Streetfighter 5, but if they did, we are in uncharted territory as Sony typically reserve and utilize their funds for their own IPs. If Sony helped Capcom, this is new waters and precedent is harder to adhere too. If we look back to PS1 era, I would point to the ports of FF7 to PC, but that was a looong time ago. Remember, Sony has new leaders and these guys are changing the playbook behind the scenes, assuming Sony invested anything with this SF title. We simply don't know, Sony typically doesn't fund 3rd party games which this game clearly is as it's a Capcom IP.

I have no stance on if Sony did help fund this game or not (because I don't know), I wanted to correct the statement you made about Sony never gives PC gaming any support from games they invest money in". I've read that line about 1000x times over the years and many times users are surprised to find out about SOE. It turns out today, you misspoke and meant something other than what you typed for us to read and it turns out you know about SOE, but I can't know what you know or don't know. I only can go by what is typed on the screen.

Next week, somewhere someone else is going to point out that Sony never makes PC games or supports PC gaming and I may correct them too if I catch it. That's all, I'm just trying to keep things honest.

I've spoken about these types of behind the scenes console deals in the past over and over and over, and I've stated I don't like it. When money goes to temporarily shelve 3rd party games that were ALREADY going to be released across machines (but they are being paid to shelve competitor versions), that means we are getting less money towards the creation of new 1st party games on the market.

More timed deals = less new games. Sadly, people don't seem to realize this because how can you miss something that doesn't exist?

The question in SF5's case is if it was going to exist or not. I think it was going to exist which leads me to believe a Sony deal (a page out of the M$ handbook), but I don't know for sure. It's possible this is more like the Bayonetta deal, or even the idea fronted that this is due to the Japanese market. It's tough. What I do know is SOE proves that one line about sony investing in PC inaccurate today.

TLHBO!

Tomb Raider is nothing, NOTHING compared to Street Fighter.

I have a PC copy of FFVII so it wasn't just released on the playstation and FFVIII was also on the PC which kind of negates the point about SONY moneyhatting the FF franchise.

And MGS was also available on the PC so again, you can't accuse SONY of moneyhatting the MGS franchise either.

To be fair though , SONY did a Ton of moneyhatting and shady Backroom deals with publishers during the Ps1 Era, thats why there where a TON more games on the Ps1 than any other console released in that gen.

so how many exlucisves does xbawk have? can u please remind me lmao xbawk has no exclusives!!! NO exclusives!!

Your constant meltdowns about sony games and damage controlling for xbone are also quite entertaining. I am sure you, like all neglected and game deprived lems, will be tuned into the Sony experience this weekend.

I look forward to your salty tears of desperation, endless excuses for the MIA games of MS and multiple wish list scenarios about how these PS4 games 'you are praying' will somehow come to xbone...I know you won't let me down.

So far you've already created hypothetical situations in your head where Deep Down, Bloodborne and now Street Fighter V all have time lines to come out on the xbone. lol you are really a transparent fakeboy, a hermit would only care about a PC version.

Cry moar lem.

@kingtito: Except Sony didn't pay for exclusives back in the PS1/PS2 days. The reason the PS1 secured so many exclusives was because the N64 was cartridge based and a complete pain in the ass to dev for. Nintendo also had higher royalty fees.

In the case of the PS2 Era Sony had 75% marketshare and development for each console was quite different. Devs didn't feel the need to go multiplat as Sales from the PS2 made all the money.

Thanks Sony,this is one less thing the Cows can bitch and cry about going forward.

(laugh)

Then why are you responding to me? I was responding to Jim has to why i think SF5 not being on the xb1 was a case of Sony moneyhatting, and not a case of them funding it.

That's why it wasn't even hinting at SOE in the slightest,

I was pointing out both Sony and MS, when funding the marketing and development of games, always make them exclusives to their consoles during the beginning.

It's with games like DR3 and Ryse, and potentially SO, DD and Let it Die, that we see latter on that those might not be exclusive.

So, if Sony was co-funding, they probably would only allow a pc release a few months latter and announce the game has a full blown PS4 exclusive. like the games i just meantioned above.

That's why i elieve SF5's absence on the xb1 is a case of Sony moneyhatting it's exclusivity. Again, not stating my point has fact, just saying it makes little sense for a pc version right from the get go

'The problem i've been having with this theory is the PC version right from the start.'

Yeah, they would

'But Sony never gives PC gaming any support from games they invest money in. Advertizing the pc version so clearly sure looks too much like moneyhatting.'

Wrong, you just have to look at DC universe online, published by SONY/Warner Bros but developed by SOE austin Which is a subscription based cross platform MMORPG , it's on PC and is heavily supported by both SONY and Warner bros

''I was pointing out both Sony and MS, when funding the marketing and development of games, always make them exclusives to their consoles during the beginning.'' << lmao please stawwpp

was titanfall not released on pc from the beginning? bu-bu-bu always!!! haha

How old where you then? because i can tell you it wasn't just the Factors you stated, SONY DID do a lot of moneyhatting and shady Backroom deals during the Ps1 Era, everyone knew that but nobody cared.

Obviously Nintendo didn't help themselves but don't try to shovel all the Blame onto them.

You young -uns really do get hung up over **** all, Back in the day we didn't Care if SONY was moneyhatting, nobody cared if Nintendo where money hatting, all we cared about was playing good games, we didn't give a **** where the games came from ,a good game was a good game, **** everything else.

The Ps1 is my favorite console of all time and if SONY did a lot of moneyhattting to make it that way then Kudos to them, it gave me a great gaming experience so i really don't care.

Do you have any evidence whatsoever of this claim that Sony was buying the industry? All I hear is conjecture and you are talking down to people who don't buy the conjecture. If it isn't, it at least comes across as duplicitous.

Funny thing is, Titanfall doesn't list Microsoft studios has publishers, unlike DR3, Ryse and Sunset Overdrive.

But, my point stands.

that's why ps4 is current gen 8 leader, not timed exclusives crap microsoft is pulling this gen.

I remember back then dude, end of, i am not being slightly duplicitous.

The bottom line is that all companys do it, i don't really care,like Floppy said earlier, sometimes it can be a good thing because if a company didn't moneyhat certain games they would never have seen the light of day.

To be honest i don't know why people are making a fuss about it, the way these companys acquire games doesn't really affect us unless we don't own a console the game is released on, i really cannot take this shit seriously any more, it's capitalism , we look after ourselves as consumers, compnays look after themselves and make as many bucks as they can.

What you people call Moneyhatting i have a different word for 'investment'

@delta3074: I was 12 when I got my PS1. I actually bought a N64 first as I was a hardcore Nintendo fanboy. And no Sony didn't do alot of moneyhatting. I was furious when Castlevania , SF : Alpha, Mega Man and dozens of other games only found there way to Sony's platform. I wanted to do everything to avoid buying Sony's console but after reading some interesting interviews in game magazines such as GameFan, Gamepro and NextGen I learned the truth. Just about all the devs had the same reasons for not producing games on Nintendo's platform. Which were the reasons I listed before. So no it's not bullshit.

Nintendo screwed over devs to save money on the hardware of the N64. And as the Saturn was already dead it left Sony in a golden position.

Why? Because Playstation is where franchises that aren't shooters go to thrive. This only means better games. Or do you kids wanna play CoD for the next 10 years?

ms bankrolled that shit, devs said so themselves. and when was the last time sony funded an established ip that they didnt own? face it pc is a non factor, its not going to take sales away from ps4, different market. ur theory of sony blocking a release of x1 makes no sense considering the dev has stated already that capcom couldnt afford the dev cost of sequel. so unless u have access and can prove otherwise im gona believe the producer on this one

Deep Down and Let it Die.

Has for PC, then why isn't Sony letting both of those games on PC, considering Deep Down was even running on a rig at one point?

Hell, why doesn't Sony letting Housemarque release Resogun on PC since they own the IP? MS has no issues letting Moon Studios release Ori on PC. And both those devs are independant.

Why did No Man's Sky and Grim Fandango have to be tweet has coming to PC?

Face it dude, when companies can block out pc, other consoles, or anything they do it. If Sony was funding the game, they'd have enough pulling power to block out the pc version, atleast for a few months, too.

really? like what? UC4 shooter, TLOU shooter, even a bad franchise like KZ, Shooter. what non shooting franchises does sony have? yeah God of War is awesome, but thats the only non shooting franchise sony has that is worth a dam. And the last one sucked sadly

i said ESTABLISHED ip. deepdown and let it die are NEW. has housemarque stated sony is blocking them from releasing on pc or are u talking out of ur ass?

and lol at the assumption 'If Sony was funding the game, they'd have enough pulling power to block out the pc version' << for what purpose?? how about they let capcom self publish the pc version since it isnt going to harm them and in return capcom offer them a cheaper deal of keeping exclusivity.

its a win/win. capcom get funded to make ps4 version, pc verison they self publish and sony get console exclusive

ms funded titanfall, its a FACT, the devs have said so. but by ur logic they couldnt have because they 'didnt have enough pull to block pc version' lol just lol

Go play your killer instinct brother lolol

Still wondering where was TC when microsoft announced the tomb raider timed exclusive..... oh right being and lem and having double standards.

Do I care? Have I ever said anything about it?

Keep trying cow.

And you have proof they didn't? Games like Madden all of a sudden just abandoned Sega for the hell of it? Yeah you have no proof so you have NO idea what Sony did or didn't do. Sony is JUST as shady as every other company out there. You cows need to stop acting like Sony is innocent.