is sony incapable of coming up with original ideas?

[QUOTE="asylumni"][QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"] You're changing the subject. Sony didn't invent the analog thumbstick, nintendo did, they just copied it.UT_Wrestler

How isn't it? Even if you don't have a grasp of how the chips are different you'd still have to conceed that a pentium2 chip is an improvement over the orginal pentium. It's not like intel just can just say make it faster and it just magically happens.

If you can't recognize that then any modern car is not an innovation over the model-T and no console is an innovation over the first video game console because they all still provide the same underlying functionality.

[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"][QUOTE="asylumni"] You seem to keep changing the bar (BTW, Nintendo didn't invent the analog stick either). OK, Sony either invented or was part of the inventions of 3.5 inch floppy disks, CD, DVD, Blu-Ray, Emotion Engine, and the Cell processor.Recca168

How isn't it? Even if you don't have a grasp of how the chips are different you'd still have to conceed that a pentium2 chip is an improvement over the orginal pentium. It's not like intel just can just say make it faster and it just magically happens.

If you can't recognize that then any modern car is not an innovation over the model-T and no console is an innovation over the first video game console because they all still provide the same underlying functionality.

[QUOTE="jharv"]The first company to fully dethrone Nintendo in the late 90's?UT_Wrestler

LBP, Motorstorm, R1 and R2 says hi.

Sony has developed alot more new IPs then MS this gen

ps3_owns_360Wii

[QUOTE="Recca168"]

[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"] I said analog THUMB stick. And calling faster processors and bigger storage mediums "innovative" is kind of like saying the pentium 2 is an "innovation" over the pentium 1.UT_Wrestler

How isn't it? Even if you don't have a grasp of how the chips are different you'd still have to conceed that a pentium2 chip is an improvement over the orginal pentium. It's not like intel just can just say make it faster and it just magically happens.

If you can't recognize that then any modern car is not an innovation over the model-T and no console is an innovation over the first video game console because they all still provide the same underlying functionality.

Technically you probably mean IBM as the 360 and ps3 both use their chips... and no. They make chips which perform instructions. Sony and microsoft dictate what the hardware components actually do.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="colosion"]

MM is owned by Sony.

Pariah_001

ok, but i dont think sony came up with LBP... it was pitched to them by MM

"Evans admitted to a feeling approaching the surreal with the recent release of LittleBigPlanet to worldwide acclaim, as he presented a history of the title -- starting from the formation of the company to the first pitch to Phil Harrison"

they're first attempt was a 'portal'-type of game that they pitched to Valve. when that didnt pan out, they pitched LBP to sony

which is fine if sony bought the company afterwards, but since this thread is about original ideas that sony came up with... LBP should not be included imo

"Sony innovated the IP into the market"

that doesnt make sense...

also, regarding the Dream Eye. the only info i have on that is that it was developed by Sega... do you have anything that can prove otherwise?

[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"][QUOTE="jharv"]The first company to fully dethrone Nintendo in the late 90's?jharv

[QUOTE="Leons-Hell"]

[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"]It's no wonder the ps3 is in last place. Aside from a lousy selection of games, all their innovations are just parodies of ideas originating at microsoft and nintendo.UT_Wrestler

Everything is just a knock off of everything before it. Shooters are based off of things like Wolfeinstein 3D, RPG's are just rip-offs of text based adventure games. The real test of how good a system or game is, is how do they compare to everything else at the time. Not complaining about "They took our ideaa" and "They aren't as good because they copied us." Well lets have a look at the WII's top games shall we. Well look here four out of the nine games that are 9/10 and over are remakes from previous consoles games. Oh and here as well, Nintendo is using idea that were been used in the arcade era, it is better than the light gun tech so no one cares. No one should care about if they copied any ideas because that is how progress is made.

The right hand buttons on the 360 controller are the same as the cross formation developed for the original playstation (no, not taken from the snes - it had 2 horizontaly slanted button configurations on top of each other).

I assume the 360 can play DVDs which the PS2 pioneered originally.

[QUOTE="Recca168"]

[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"] I said analog THUMB stick. And calling faster processors and bigger storage mediums "innovative" is kind of like saying the pentium 2 is an "innovation" over the pentium 1.UT_Wrestler

How isn't it? Even if you don't have a grasp of how the chips are different you'd still have to conceed that a pentium2 chip is an improvement over the orginal pentium. It's not like intel just can just say make it faster and it just magically happens.

If you can't recognize that then any modern car is not an innovation over the model-T and no console is an innovation over the first video game console because they all still provide the same underlying functionality.

Doing things in a new way can be innovative.

Wireless controllers and wired controllers are both controllers, but the first wireless controller can be called an innovation because it takes something and does it in a new way. The dualshock was innovative because unlike the N64's rumblepack which you had to buy separately, the rumble was housed in the controller. Innovative. Innovation can also apply to things that have been done but not often or in well documented cases. Etc, etc. innovation is not simply whoever invented what first.

[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"][QUOTE="Leons-Hell"]

Everything is just a knock off of everything before it. Shooters are based off of things like Wolfeinstein 3D, RPG's are just rip-offs of text based adventure games. The real test of how good a system or game is, is how do they compare to everything else at the time. Not complaining about "They took our ideaa" and "They aren't as good because they copied us." Well lets have a look at the WII's top games shall we. Well look here four out of the nine games that are 9/10 and over are remakes from previous consoles games. Oh and here as well, Nintendo is using idea that were been used in the arcade era, it is better than the light gun tech so no one cares. No one should care about if they copied any ideas because that is how progress is made.

hakanakumono

The right hand buttons on the 360 controller are the same as the cross formation developed for the original playstation (no, not taken from the snes - it had 2 horizontaly slanted button configurations on top of each other).

I assume the 360 can play DVDs which the PS2 pioneered originally.

the difference between the face button setup for the snes compared to the ps1 is so negligible that its pretty much a copy...

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"][QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"] So who's copying Sony's "ideas"? *crickets chirp*ogvampire

The right hand buttons on the 360 controller are the same as the cross formation developed for the original playstation (no, not taken from the snes - it had 2 horizontaly slanted button configurations on top of each other).

I assume the 360 can play DVDs which the PS2 pioneered originally.

the difference between the face button setup for the snes compared to the ps1 is so negligible that its pretty much a copy...

No its not. The only thing it copied was the fact that there were 4 buttons (which is really just ideal, systems like the saturn have too many buttons) and the fact that they were on the right side not the left. That was pretty much standardized though.

A cross shaped configuration is different than the snes configuration, not to mention better. Of course, the Dreamcast and 360 copied the configuration later on (not sure about original xbox).

Playstation also innovated shapes instead of letters, which imo, is also superior (although sony did screw it up a bit when they made x standard for "yes" in America).

Nintendo wasn't the first to use analog. Atar was first then Sony.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_stick

Look under history.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

The right hand buttons on the 360 controller are the same as the cross formation developed for the original playstation (no, not taken from the snes - it had 2 horizontaly slanted button configurations on top of each other).

I assume the 360 can play DVDs which the PS2 pioneered originally.

hakanakumono

the difference between the face button setup for the snes compared to the ps1 is so negligible that its pretty much a copy...

No its not. The only thing it copied was the fact that there were 4 buttons (which is really just ideal, systems like the saturn have too many buttons) and the fact that they were on the right side not the left. That was pretty much standardized though.

A cross shaped configuration is different than the snes configuration, not to mention better. Of course, the Dreamcast and 360 copied the configuration later on (not sure about original xbox).

Playstation also innovated shapes instead of letters, which imo, is also superior (although sony did screw it up a bit when they made x standard for "yes" in America).

yes it was... Sony really did copy the snes controller, they just moved the buttons a little. if you didnt know, nintendo had a partnership with sony to make an add-on for the snes... guess where sony got the idea for the controller when the deal went bad.

also, using shapes instead of letters isnt much of an innovation. its just a picture on a button, it does absolutley nothing.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

the difference between the face button setup for the snes compared to the ps1 is so negligible that its pretty much a copy...

ogvampire

No its not. The only thing it copied was the fact that there were 4 buttons (which is really just ideal, systems like the saturn have too many buttons) and the fact that they were on the right side not the left. That was pretty much standardized though.

A cross shaped configuration is different than the snes configuration, not to mention better. Of course, the Dreamcast and 360 copied the configuration later on (not sure about original xbox).

Playstation also innovated shapes instead of letters, which imo, is also superior (although sony did screw it up a bit when they made x standard for "yes" in America).

yes it was... Sony really did copy the snes controller, they just moved the buttons a little. if you didnt know, nintendo had a partnership with sony to make an add-on for the snes... guess where sony got the idea for the controller when the deal went bad.

also, using shapes instead of letters isnt much of an innovation. its just a picture on a button, it does absolutley nothing.

I looked at the snes' controller again and I wasn't remembering the button configuration from my childhood correctly. Sorry, I take it back. They are horizontally configured, but the playstation configuration IS a step up from that. Oops, my bad.

But its not entirely a copy. One thing sony had that neither nintendo's original controller or saturn's controller (before the playstation) had. Handles. The snes and saturn ("original" and "competition") both had game PADS. Sony pioneered a controller for a 3D console that wasn't just flat, it was also 3D, designed to be ergonomic.

It hand handles. The base had depth. And in the dualshock, the rumble was housed inside. These are things that sony did. The way sony made their controller set the stage for the N64, the Dreamcast, the PS2, The gamecube, etc etc etc.

[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"][QUOTE="Leons-Hell"]

Everything is just a knock off of everything before it. Shooters are based off of things like Wolfeinstein 3D, RPG's are just rip-offs of text based adventure games. The real test of how good a system or game is, is how do they compare to everything else at the time. Not complaining about "They took our ideaa" and "They aren't as good because they copied us." Well lets have a look at the WII's top games shall we. Well look here four out of the nine games that are 9/10 and over are remakes from previous consoles games. Oh and here as well, Nintendo is using idea that were been used in the arcade era, it is better than the light gun tech so no one cares. No one should care about if they copied any ideas because that is how progress is made.

hakanakumono

The right hand buttons on the 360 controller are the same as the cross formation developed for the original playstation (no, not taken from the snes - it had 2 horizontaly slanted button configurations on top of each other).

I assume the 360 can play DVDs which the PS2 pioneered originally.

Nintendo wasn't the first to use analog. Atar was first then Sony.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_stick

Look under history.

Also note that, the N64 didn't really have an analog stick. It was an digital stick.Soulja_West

[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"][QUOTE="ps3_owns_360Wii"]

LBP, Motorstorm, R1 and R2 says hi.

Sony has developed alot more new IPs then MS this gen

ps3_owns_360Wii

Resistance-40 mp games or 60 mp games on a console and they do it without lag

That isn't original, its technically impressive.

Not original though.

[QUOTE="Soulja_West"]

Nintendo wasn't the first to use analog. Atar was first then Sony.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_stick

Look under history.

UT_Wrestler

[QUOTE="JacobD1505"]Ok.......UT_Wrestler.....does that mean the 360 ripped off the dreamcast with its controller, does that mean the 360 ripped off the ps3 by being able to install the game, does that mean the 360 ripped off the wii with the with the new xbox live experience thing???? Did the 360 rip off the PS3 by adding HDMI and 1080 p? Pretty much...companies do it all the time. If it's a good idea, people are going to take advantage of it. Get used to it.UT_Wrestler

Perhaps sony doesn't innovate much...then again, neither does nintendo (except controller). Nintento innovated themselves all the way to now making the trashiest games ever to grace the industry.

[QUOTE="Parasomniac"]Playstation was originally supposed to be an SNES add-on. They ripped off that whole project.trasherhead

gawd... Someone needs a history leeson.
Nintendo ask Sony to develop the PSX as an adon for the snes, Nintendo backed out of the deal. Sony got pissed off and wanted to get even. SO they released the PSX as a standalone system. The symboles on the controler is from Super Mario World even. Just to piss them off.

You could actualy say that the Playstation is Nintendos bastard son that they didn't want anything to do with. So its not steal, it is taking what is rightfully its. ;)

But, people seem to forget why Nintendo backed out of the deal with Sony.

"The SNES-CD was to be announced at the June 1991 Consumer Electronics Show (CES). However, when Hiroshi Yamauchi read the original 1988 contract between Sony and Nintendo, he realized that the earlier agreement essentially handed Sony complete control over any and all titles written on the SNES CD-ROM format. Yamauchi decided that the contract was totally unacceptable and he secretly canceled all plans for the joint Nintendo-Sony SNES CD attachment. Instead of announcing a partnership between Sony and Nintendo, at 9 a.m. the day of the CES, Nintendo chairman Howard Lincoln stepped onto the stage and revealed that Nintendo was now allied with Philips, and Nintendo was planning on abandoning all the previous work Nintendo and Sony had accomplished."

Now, wouldn't you back out of a deal if some other company wanted to take control of all of your franchises?

Just read

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"][QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"] So who's copying Sony's "ideas"? *crickets chirp*UT_Wrestler

The right hand buttons on the 360 controller are the same as the cross formation developed for the original playstation (no, not taken from the snes - it had 2 horizontaly slanted button configurations on top of each other).

I assume the 360 can play DVDs which the PS2 pioneered originally.

I've held a snes controller. The cosmetic diagonals are how they're arranged, and the top one is SLIGHTLY to the side, just not as much as i remember. Playstation just took the next logical step from that and made it into a single cross pattern instead of two pairs.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

the difference between the face button setup for the snes compared to the ps1 is so negligible that its pretty much a copy...

ogvampire

No its not. The only thing it copied was the fact that there were 4 buttons (which is really just ideal, systems like the saturn have too many buttons) and the fact that they were on the right side not the left. That was pretty much standardized though.

A cross shaped configuration is different than the snes configuration, not to mention better. Of course, the Dreamcast and 360 copied the configuration later on (not sure about original xbox).

Playstation also innovated shapes instead of letters, which imo, is also superior (although sony did screw it up a bit when they made x standard for "yes" in America).

yes it was... Sony really did copy the snes controller, they just moved the buttons a little. if you didnt know, nintendo had a partnership with sony to make an add-on for the snes... guess where sony got the idea for the controller when the deal went bad.

also, using shapes instead of letters isnt much of an innovation. its just a picture on a button, it does absolutley nothing.

Yes they copied some aspects. But the playstation controller is a lot different from the snes controller because its not a pad.

I know about the deal. Nintendo decided to partner with sony, but they signed a deal that gave sony a lot of control. They later realized the deal was an error (Note that Nintendo should have paid closer attention to their dealings with sony in the first place) and said "sorry, snes CD is canceled bye." Sony decided to develop a system anyways after being jerked around by nintendo (all that work on development for nothing?) and naturally developed a controller that was reminiscent of the snes controller. But so was sega's Saturn controller, even more so. Sony developed the controller so that it had handles and was more ergonomic than the standard pad.

Shapes instead of letters has to do with something thats more easily identifiable, especially for Japanese people. Easier to pick up on, remember ... imo. Of course, this is my opinion so naturally you can and will say "no." XD

[QUOTE="trasherhead"]

[QUOTE="Parasomniac"]Playstation was originally supposed to be an SNES add-on. They ripped off that whole project.Wolblade

gawd... Someone needs a history leeson.
Nintendo ask Sony to develop the PSX as an adon for the snes, Nintendo backed out of the deal. Sony got pissed off and wanted to get even. SO they released the PSX as a standalone system. The symboles on the controler is from Super Mario World even. Just to piss them off.

You could actualy say that the Playstation is Nintendos bastard son that they didn't want anything to do with. So its not steal, it is taking what is rightfully its. ;)

But, people seem to forget why Nintendo backed out of the deal with Sony.

"The SNES-CD was to be announced at the June 1991 Consumer Electronics Show (CES). However, when Hiroshi Yamauchi read the original 1988 contract between Sony and Nintendo, he realized that the earlier agreement essentially handed Sony complete control over any and all titles written on the SNES CD-ROM format. Yamauchi decided that the contract was totally unacceptable and he secretly canceled all plans for the joint Nintendo-Sony SNES CD attachment. Instead of announcing a partnership between Sony and Nintendo, at 9 a.m. the day of the CES, Nintendo chairman Howard Lincoln stepped onto the stage and revealed that Nintendo was now allied with Philips, and Nintendo was planning on abandoning all the previous work Nintendo and Sony had accomplished."

Now, wouldn't you back out of a deal if some other company wanted to take control of all of your franchises?

Just read

Why did nintendo agree to the deal if it was unfair in the first place.

They agreed to it. Then left Sony hanging. It was nintendo's fault for not paying attention.

playstation can come out with originial ideas...they just can deliver..like ps3 features...pricing....home....etc...cool on paper.....but reality not so much!

[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"][QUOTE="JacobD1505"]Ok.......UT_Wrestler.....does that mean the 360 ripped off the dreamcast with its controller, does that mean the 360 ripped off the ps3 by being able to install the game, does that mean the 360 ripped off the wii with the with the new xbox live experience thing???? Did the 360 rip off the PS3 by adding HDMI and 1080 p? Pretty much...companies do it all the time. If it's a good idea, people are going to take advantage of it. Get used to it.Derek240

Perhaps sony doesn't innovate much...then again, neither does nintendo (except controller). Nintento innovated themselves all the way to now making the trashiest games ever to grace the industry.

lol! man, talk about uninformed :lol:

its 3rd parties that are doing that.... not Nintendo :roll:

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]what LBP not enough for you?UT_Wrestler

I have a few ideas which I think are innovative (correct me if they aren't)- -PS3/PSP Remote Play. And the various ways in which the 2 machines connect. -Having the PS Store on the PSP. I think it's the first handheld to have a built in online store to DL games, demos, etc. -They were the first to use DVD drives in a console, the same way MS were the first to use hard drives. -Blurring the line between retail and downloadable games eg, Socom, GT5P, Siren, Warhawk etc.Floppy_Jim

Siren was only released on DL because they didn't want to risk having to have hundreds of Siren games sit in best buys again (the original sold poorly).

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"] Home is a rip off of Second Life/Sims. Sony didn't create the DVD, that was Toshiba. Sony had their own version, but it failed. Look it up. How did MS fail miserably wqith HD DVD? MS didn't create HD DVD. Toshiba did. That was Toshiba's failure, not MS. If you're going to argue about something, a little research does help/Angry_PolarBear

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvd

So MS helped innovate the DVD ;)

[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"][QUOTE="JacobD1505"]Ok.......UT_Wrestler.....does that mean the 360 ripped off the dreamcast with its controller, does that mean the 360 ripped off the ps3 by being able to install the game, does that mean the 360 ripped off the wii with the with the new xbox live experience thing???? Did the 360 rip off the PS3 by adding HDMI and 1080 p? Pretty much...companies do it all the time. If it's a good idea, people are going to take advantage of it. Get used to it.Derek240

Perhaps sony doesn't innovate much...then again, neither does nintendo (except controller). Nintento innovated themselves all the way to now making the trashiest games ever to grace the industry.