Is MS insecure about the XBOX ONE?

I was wondering if you all think that with all of the constant talking that MS is doing in regards to all things Xbone if there is a layer of insecurity going into launch? I mean to me it seems like there is a lot of "well we were doing this, but now this is what we are really doing". With all of the CPU and GPU upgrades, the news that your Kinect info doesn't leave the XBOX ONE and on and on. It just seems to be a lot of talk as if they don't have true confidence in their product.

I'm no Lem but I belive it's called advertising.

i dont consider X1 as next-gen console, mostly because it still operates around the same old 128-bit memory interface of DDR3.

Insecure?
It is $100 more than a PS4. If anything they are over-confident. 

If anyone Sony are the insecure ones with how humble they are and how they go out of their way to not step on anyone's toes. Grow a pair. LA-Nighthawk

They're launching a flagship product in less than two months. Why would they not be talking about it? They need to inform people about the console as well as clear up any confusion people may still have. If you confuse their marketing efforts for insecurity it explains why you don't run a multi-billion dollar corporation. 

[QUOTE="LA-Nighthawk"]If anyone Sony are the insecure ones with how humble they are and how they go out of their way to not step on anyone's toes. Grow a pair. ZoomZoom2490

 

I'm no Lem but I belive it's called advertising.

muffin200

Insecure?
It is $100 more than a PS4. If anything they are over-confident. 

timbers_WSU

I was wondering if you all think that with all of the constant talking that MS is doing in regards to all things Xbone if there is a layer of insecurity going into launch? I mean to me it seems like there is a lot of "well we were doing this, but now this is what we are really doing". With all of the CPU and GPU upgrades, the news that your Kinect info doesn't leave the XBOX ONE and on and on. It just seems to be a lot of talk as if they don't have true confidence in their product.

ShoTTyMcNaDeS

I was wondering if you all think that with all of the constant talking that MS is doing in regards to all things Xbone if there is a layer of insecurity going into launch? I mean to me it seems like there is a lot of "well we were doing this, but now this is what we are really doing". With all of the CPU and GPU upgrades, the news that your Kinect info doesn't leave the XBOX ONE and on and on. It just seems to be a lot of talk as if they don't have true confidence in their product.

ShoTTyMcNaDeS

yep, ever since that E3 debacle, they've done a huge PR push

i dont consider X1 as next-gen console, mostly because it still operates around the same old 128-bit memory interface of DDR3.

ZoomZoom2490

lol GDDR5 and DDR3 from the same family, the XB1 actually has higher bandwidth to the CPU than the PS4. ESRAM pi*** on the GDDR5 where it matters. And before you talk about the 18 CUs, the 4 cu's are worth sh** Sony already admited it. That leaves just 2 CU more than XB1. Guess what? the higher clocked GPU will pi** on the extra 2 CU. Sony pulled a fast one and cows fell for it just as last gen.

They should feel insecure. Even the US favors Sony next gen, partly because they are releasing weaker hardware at $100 more than the competition. I'd say the Xbox brand doesn't have half the appeal that it used to.

No, but since e3 they have been in full DC mode  and they need to be. 

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i dont consider X1 as next-gen console, mostly because it still operates around the same old 128-bit memory interface of DDR3.

Scipio8

lol GDDR5 and DDR3 from the same family, the XB1 actually has higher bandwidth to the CPU than the PS4. ESRAM pi*** on the GDDR5 where it matters. And before you talk about the 18 CUs, the 4 cu's are worth sh** Sony already admited it. That leaves just 2 CU more than XB1. Guess what? the higher clocked GPU will pi** on the extra 2 CU. Sony pulled a fast one and cows fell for it just as last gen.

when did Sony say 4 extra CU's are garbage ? :lol: 

Microsoft has stated and DF has stated that their is diminishing returns on adding CU's around 12-14 CU's, adding more CU's doesnt scale linearly anymore, okay, so Sony is RECOMMENDING, not FORCING, that developers use the 14:4 model, doesnt mean they have to use that CU setup at all.

so no, the 4 extra CU's arent useless, because those 4 CU's will be applied to GCN compute, over 400+ gigaflops for awesome physics and everything else while the Xbox One will still be stuck using 12 CU's, 2 LESS then PS4's 14 CU's for graphical rendering and stuck with absolutely no compute from the GCN GPU LOL 

so wow PS4 having 2 more CU's for graphical rendering and over 400+ gigaflops dedicated to physics,raytracing audio, compute, everything.

sorry to say but either the Xbox One tries to match the PS4 in compute by dedicating CU's to compute, 8:4 if trying to replicate the 14:4 model of the PS4 or its games will suffer HARD when compared to ps4 games and have sucky physics and everything else.

oh and BTW, Xbox One CU count isnt in the diminishing returns terroritory of adding CU's to a GCN card, so if it were to even try to match 14:4, you will see even more of a drop per CU because from 1-12 CU's it does scale linearly, meaning a bigger dip in graphical quality, etc

Microsoft seems very confident to me, they are convinced that the Kinect has something to add for everyone whether it be motion games like we've seen on the 360 or voice controls or the fact that you automatically sign in when you pick up the controller.  Plus, the XB1 is launching with Forza 5, which is huge, and getting a new Halo sometime soon.

...maybe if Nintendo took a page from M$'s book..  the Wii-U would've sold more. :|

I'd say the near constant DC coming out of ms lately is a good sign that shrinkage has occurred.

I would hope so, the xbone is an awful product. Its the next Zune.

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I was wondering if you all think that with all of the constant talking that MS is doing in regards to all things Xbone if there is a layer of insecurity going into launch? I mean to me it seems like there is a lot of "well we were doing this, but now this is what we are really doing". With all of the CPU and GPU upgrades, the news that your Kinect info doesn't leave the XBOX ONE and on and on. It just seems to be a lot of talk as if they don't have true confidence in their product.

Krelian-co

[QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"][QUOTE="LA-Nighthawk"]If anyone Sony are the insecure ones with how humble they are and how they go out of their way to not step on anyone's toes. Grow a pair. LA-Nighthawk

TitanFall isn't exclusive to Xbone either.

I was wondering if you all think that with all of the constant talking that MS is doing in regards to all things Xbone if there is a layer of insecurity going into launch? I mean to me it seems like there is a lot of "well we were doing this, but now this is what we are really doing". With all of the CPU and GPU upgrades, the news that your Kinect info doesn't leave the XBOX ONE and on and on. It just seems to be a lot of talk as if they don't have true confidence in their product.

ShoTTyMcNaDeS

It just seems to me, Microsoft is always saying and doing stuff to damage controll... Every time I see a Microsoft or Xbox One artical, they're always mentioning "Sony", "What Sony is doing with PS4", "GDDR5 vs DDR3", "Their games vs PS4 games", "Their system is balanced... blah, blah, blah!" 

So far, Microsoft has proven to be unprofessional, damage controlling, and really, really, childish, ever since the reveal about Xbox One. If Microsoft was so sure about X1, they'd shut up and let the games and the hardware do the talking; instead, they're constantly in gaming forums and on Neogaf, damage controlling... I think that says a lot about their insecurities...

For a company that has said before that, "it's not about the hardware, it's about the games", they sure can't seem to shut up about it... This company has spent hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars (enough money to feed a small starving country) on a "gaming console" because they thought they could secure a #1 spot in gaming while, the competition probably hasn't even spent half that.

They're feeling scared going into this next gen and it's making them feel "sick"; It's understandable... The pressure and all!!!

i dont consider X1 as next-gen console, mostly because it still operates around the same old 128-bit memory interface of DDR3.

ZoomZoom2490

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i dont consider X1 as next-gen console, mostly because it still operates around the same old 128-bit memory interface of DDR3.

Scipio8

lol GDDR5 and DDR3 from the same family, the XB1 actually has higher bandwidth to the CPU than the PS4. ESRAM pi*** on the GDDR5 where it matters. And before you talk about the 18 CUs, the 4 cu's are worth sh** Sony already admited it. That leaves just 2 CU more than XB1. Guess what? the higher clocked GPU will pi** on the extra 2 CU. Sony pulled a fast one and cows fell for it just as last gen.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/768-shader-pitcairn-review,3196-5.html

PS4's GCN with 18 CUs @800Mhz with 176 GB/s memory is slightly faster than retail 7850 with 16 CUs @ 860 Mhz with 153.6 GB/s memory.

Well. The Xbox team is unsure about what they want their product to be. We have seen this since the announcement with all the 180s. So yeah, I think they are insecure about their product.

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[QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"]

i dont consider X1 as next-gen console, mostly because it still operates around the same old 128-bit memory interface of DDR3.

xboxiphoneps3

lol GDDR5 and DDR3 from the same family, the XB1 actually has higher bandwidth to the CPU than the PS4. ESRAM pi*** on the GDDR5 where it matters. And before you talk about the 18 CUs, the 4 cu's are worth sh** Sony already admited it. That leaves just 2 CU more than XB1. Guess what? the higher clocked GPU will pi** on the extra 2 CU. Sony pulled a fast one and cows fell for it just as last gen.

when did Sony say 4 extra CU's are garbage ? :lol:

Microsoft has stated and DF has stated that their is diminishing returns on adding CU's around 12-14 CU's, adding more CU's doesnt scale linearly anymore, okay, so Sony is RECOMMENDING, not FORCING, that developers use the 14:4 model, doesnt mean they have to use that CU setup at all.

so no, the 4 extra CU's arent useless, because those 4 CU's will be applied to GCN compute, over 400+ gigaflops for awesome physics and everything else while the Xbox One will still be stuck using 12 CU's, 2 LESS then PS4's 14 CU's for graphical rendering and stuck with absolutely no compute from the GCN GPU LOL

so wow PS4 having 2 more CU's for graphical rendering and over 400+ gigaflops dedicated to physics,raytracing audio, compute, everything.

sorry to say but either the Xbox One tries to match the PS4 in compute by dedicating CU's to compute, 8:4 if trying to replicate the 14:4 model of the PS4 or its games will suffer HARD when compared to ps4 games and have sucky physics and everything else.

oh and BTW, Xbox One CU count isnt in the diminishing returns terroritory of adding CU's to a GCN card, so if it were to even try to match 14:4, you will see even more of a drop per CU because from 1-12 CU's it does scale linearly, meaning a bigger dip in graphical quality, etc

On certain segment, CUs can scale...

I'll post another 768 stream processor GCN, but with lower memory specs i.e. AMD FirePro W5000 SKU.

FirePro W5000's 102 GB/s video memory bandwidth and has four links to L2 cache pools.

Some gaming benchmarks for AMD FirePro W5000.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/workstation-graphics-card-gaming,review-32643-9.html

7850 = 45.

W5000 = 33.

FirePro W5000's 12 CUs (825 Mhz) scales down from Radeon HD 7850's 16 CUs (860 Mhz).

7850's 45.3 fps / 16 CUs (860Mhz) = 2.831 x 8 CUs = 22.65 fps which roughly matches 7750's 21.5 fps result. 7750 is clocked at 800Mhz.

My scale down theory vs actual results works.

If we use the 7850 and 7750 as the two points for the "line of best fit", FirePro W5000 falls into the expected slot for scaled 12 CUs @ ~800 Mhz i.e. 2.831 x 12 CU = 33.97 fps.

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i dont consider X1 as next-gen console, mostly because it still operates around the same old 128-bit memory interface of DDR3.

Scipio8

lol GDDR5 and DDR3 from the same family, the XB1 actually has higher bandwidth to the CPU than the PS4. ESRAM pi*** on the GDDR5 where it matters. And before you talk about the 18 CUs, the 4 cu's are worth sh** Sony already admited it. That leaves just 2 CU more than XB1. Guess what? the higher clocked GPU will pi** on the extra 2 CU. Sony pulled a fast one and cows fell for it just as last gen.

So you think the X1 is stronger/faster than the PS4? :lol:

Microsoft seems very confident to me, they are convinced that the Kinect has something to add for everyone whether it be motion games like we've seen on the 360 or voice controls or the fact that you automatically sign in when you pick up the controller.  Plus, the XB1 is launching with Forza 5, which is huge, and getting a new Halo sometime soon.

realguitarhero5

Forza is not a system seller like Grand Turismo. Killzone SF will sell more than Forza.

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i dont consider X1 as next-gen console, mostly because it still operates around the same old 128-bit memory interface of DDR3.

StrongBlackVine

lol GDDR5 and DDR3 from the same family, the XB1 actually has higher bandwidth to the CPU than the PS4. ESRAM pi*** on the GDDR5 where it matters. And before you talk about the 18 CUs, the 4 cu's are worth sh** Sony already admited it. That leaves just 2 CU more than XB1. Guess what? the higher clocked GPU will pi** on the extra 2 CU. Sony pulled a fast one and cows fell for it just as last gen.

So you think the X1 is stronger/faster than the PS4? :lol:

X1's GPU has superior GPU memory write speeds and triangle rate.

PS4's GPU has superior GPU memory read speeds and CU(ALU/TMUs) count.

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Microsoft seems very confident to me, they are convinced that the Kinect has something to add for everyone whether it be motion games like we've seen on the 360 or voice controls or the fact that you automatically sign in when you pick up the controller.  Plus, the XB1 is launching with Forza 5, which is huge, and getting a new Halo sometime soon.

StrongBlackVine

Forza is not a system seller like Grand Turismo. Killzone SF will sell more than Forza.

I would hope so, the xbone is an awful product. Its the next Zune.

tenaka2

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i dont consider X1 as next-gen console, mostly because it still operates around the same old 128-bit memory interface of DDR3.

Scipio8

lol GDDR5 and DDR3 from the same family, the XB1 actually has higher bandwidth to the CPU than the PS4. ESRAM pi*** on the GDDR5 where it matters. And before you talk about the 18 CUs, the 4 cu's are worth sh** Sony already admited it. That leaves just 2 CU more than XB1. Guess what? the higher clocked GPU will pi** on the extra 2 CU. Sony pulled a fast one and cows fell for it just as last gen.

It just seems to be a lot of talk as if they don't have true confidence in their product.

ShoTTyMcNaDeS

So a lack of confidence means you talk often about the subject you are insecure about and having confidence means you don't talk about the subject you are so sure of?

come on TC

Lemmings are insecure about it, that much is certain.

If anyone Sony are the insecure ones with how humble they are and how they go out of their way to not step on anyone's toes. Grow a pair. LA-Nighthawk

Lemmings are insecure about it, that much is certain.

Netherscourge

With this kind of weak specs expecting the system to last 10 years you better be insecure.silversix_

That doesn't make sense at all, I would call them over confident .

They found room to bump up clock speeds on both the CPU and GPU, how is that insecure? If they were that insecure, they would have made major changes as soon as they found out what Sony were doing in February.

Talking more about the other console and games then the one you want to buy yourself, now that is considered insecure !