In the end the Wii U couldn't even match the Gamecube..

@emgesp:
Actually, likely not. While we'll never know, I do think a vast swath of the PS2s sold were for the playback, at least until other DVD players caught up. It's too bad they never polled people, as I'd like to know the breakdown for both the PS2 and PS3.

@mesome713:

Unfortunately don't have the time to respond other than quickly pointing out that one thing sales show is that the general consumer has next to no knowledge of quality. It makes me laugh when the pc crowd here talks about 4k when--to my knowledge--there really isn't a monitor that has the color accuracy and contrast levels to even properly display the image. A good 1080p plasma will outperform any 4k gaming monitor in terms of accurately representing the game image with motion.

This even goes to smart phones, music, etc. people are happy with iTunes even though the quality isn't great. People spend exuberant amounts of money on cell phones yet the core function of vocal clarity hasn't really improved much--in fact I'd say its worse.

Etc etc.

It is doubtful that the PS4 will sell as many consoles as the PS2 (155m). The Xbox One might be able to sell more consoles than the X Box (24m). I wonder if anyone will remember the PS4 or Xbox One 15 years from now?

The PS4 and X Box One are good expensive consoles, but with all of their 3rd party support there are only 3 or 4 games on each of them that are worth playing. Most of the games for them are lackluster, B-rated horror quality movie games without the innovation and gameplay of Nintendo games. They do nothing to advance gaming, and it is just a fluke that they are selling as well as they are. When will they take some risks and give us better games like Nintendo... Just kidding! (Over with the undue use of excessive exaggeration for attention.)

Just curious, does anyone use Sony's Experia Z3 Tablet Compact to play PS4 games remotely? You can use it for off-TV play, and even mount it on your DualShock 4.

To those gamers who have not gone next gen yet, now might be a good time for you to buy a Wii U. There are a variety of great games to play such as New Super Mario Bros. Wii U, Mario Kart 8, Super Smash Bros. Wii U, Super Mario 3D World, Splatoon, Tekken Tag Tournament 2, and Wii Sports Club. New games coming for the Wii U in the US are: Super Mario Maker (9/11/15), Yoshi's Wooly World (10/16/15), Star Fox Zero (11/20/15), and Xenoblade Chronicles X (12/04/15). I would suggest that you pick up one of the common Amiibo to use with a Nintendo game. The Wii U is backwards compatible with the Wii, and there are also hundreds of games in the Nintendo e-shop and Virtual Console to buy.

Edited to update Star Fox Zero release date.

Hm i will be kind to the cube and say its on par with the wii u, take into consideration the fact that wii u plays all wii games, the wii u was better than the gamecube the day it launched... also you said its the end, wii u has the strongest lineup of exclusives this year, this shit aint over son theres at least another 5 games im picking up..

The gamecube is only revered by saps that got an xbox one or ps4, two of the worst consoles there has ever been, so bad they make the gamecube look amazing. Wii u > Wii > Gamecube

I have been saying this since the shit released that it won't even match the GameCube. The wii u is simply a horrible console.

If you need to rely on BC for your system to get a one up on the Gamecube that is pretty sad.

Yes, the Wii U has the most exclusives coming this year, but for the most part I'm not very impressed by the games. I'm a huge Star Fox fan but the new game looks incredibly lackluster.

Sure in the beginning I will agree, but a couple years in I'm pretty sure dedicated DVD players could be had for a bit cheaper than a PS2.

I dont think BC is in any way sad, at least no more than judging the worth of a console by its 3rd party support, but w/e take out BC its still a close fight exclusive wise and like i said Wii u has a strong lineup starfox, mario maker, xenogears, zelda and fatal frame.. Exclusive wise wii>> Wiiu> Gamecube>>>> Ps4/xboxone.

it all depends how much you get back form it. $300 is not that much of an investment for a system that yields at least 15 exclusive titles of interest, like my Wii U has.

its simple math. price of admission. you put money down on a box with the idea of using it for numerous games. no more than 200 bux you say?? obviously you are a single console owner, lol. sorry for your loss.

Of course I'm a single console owner, why would I buy a Wii U or XB1 when I have a PC and PS4?

i believe i went over some of the finer points of that in my previous post. but if you are a fanboy... i guess you wouldnt. like i said, so sorry for your loss.

And the Nintendo drones will never admit it.

It gets less games than the vita too lol. The Wii u is the biggest failure after virtual boy.

I was going to argue with you, but the clear truth was shown this gen.

Nintendo was partly to blame for the Wii U, they need to make a lot of internal changes within themselves, but the Wii U offered some innovation. MS tried to make a high tech Kinect part integrated with the Xbox One. It being integrated is fundamental difference, and we will never know what would have come from it.

Instead people spoke and opted for more or less the same experience as last gen, with an unexciting graphical leap over last gen.

I don't know why there isn't room for 3 different consoles. I don't get why they all have to offer the same thing.

How the hell am I a fanboy? If the Wii U had games I was interested in I'd buy it, but it doesn't so I'm not gonna waste my money on it, same goes for the XB1.

"Couldn't even match the GameCube".. Dude, the GameCube was a freaking masterpiece of a console. At least the Wii-U is closer to match the GameCube than the PS3, Xbox 360, PS4 and Xbox One.

Wii U to me is just a Smash machine.

Of course. I mean, the Wii U has no major 3rd party support. The Gamecube got most of the 3rd party releases during its cycle. Unlike later Nintendo consoles, some 3rd party games ran better on Gamecube, such as Star Wars Bounty Hunter. What the Wii U has is a library that caters only to Nintendo fans. There's nothing for anyone else and that is 100% Nintendo's fault. They messed up. They dropped the ball.

Maybe the NX will be better, but I need to see it. Early interest from Square seems to be a good sign.

well, because it is hard to believe you are being an unbiased consumer who just happened to go "oh, nothing of interest here... time to move on." unless you are a SW troll.--which to me is essentially the same thing as a fanboy. or you are new to gaming, then... my bad. play and learn i guess. nothing wrong with being a gaming newbie. the more the merrier, i say... we've all been there.

So because someone isn't interested in the Wii U that means they are either a fanboy, troll or game newbie?

FYI, I own every major Nintendo home console that has been released with the exception of the Wii U. The vast majority of my gaming is actually on older Nintendo consoles.

Also, I'm 32 yrs old and I've been playing games since the moment I could pickup a controller. So, please stop assuming stuff about me based off a few posts.

Yes Nintendo does release remasters and you've been given a list of a few games as examples. OOT3D and WWHD are not remakes but remasters. The meat and potatoes of the original games are kept in tact. The characters, environments and plots are also the same. Of course Nintendo added some enhancements but nothing that took away from the what I previously mentioned. A remake would be something like the original Poltergeist picture with the 2015 release. The titles were the same along with the basic idea of the plot (i.e. spirits in a house) but everything else was different from the characters, names, locations, etc.., Another remake would be the Fantastic 4 movie that just released. Think of a remaster as taking the original concept and just cleaning it up a bit.

It almost feels like the gaming industry is run by Pixies from the Fairly Odd Parents and that some want it run that way. Rather than have the more varied fairies (ranging from idiots, nagging housewives, Tooth fairies and Schwarzenegger clones) with rules

In what goddamn universe are OOT3d and Majoras mask 3d not considered remakes? Its not like they took the n64 version and upressed it

They are remakes. Improved performance, 3D support, more intuitive control options, new textures, and most of the models have been REMADE.

Gamecube was a great system in it's time that deserved a better fate (sales wise). I think that's why 3rd party developers stayed on board a little bit more, and cranked out a nice little niche of outstanding games to go with Nintendo 1st party. At least the hardware was there.

The Wii-U is just a P.O.S. that seemed ill fated from the time it was revealed.

@2Chalupas: Do you call it a PoS cause its not a copy of your other systems? Why not respect Wii U for what it is?

@mesome713: it's crap

@augustevans: Why?

They are absolutely remasters, remasters actually done correctly, but they are fucking remasters.

REremake
Metroid Zero Mission
Metal Gear Solid Twin Snakes

Those are fucking remakes. They make significant gameplay changes/scenario changes. Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask tighten up shoddy controls and do away with the shitty menu stuff, otherwise same fucking game, but prettier.

No, I call it a POS because it has less RAM then my phone, and CPU/GPU that is basically PS3/360 level. The tablet is also cheap and unsophisticated with a poor screen and poor battery life. That is supposed to be the main draw?

Even when I predicted it would fail in the market, I still envisioned it being like the Gamecube and having a solid niche of games, but it pretty much even failed at that. It has a few, but the set of games I'd care to play is far, far less than what i own on Gamecube. Therefore I refuse to buy a Wii-U, and won't until it's clearanced out of stores. I might just skip the Wii-U entirely, which would be the first time I ever skipped a generation for Nintendo. But at this point, why bother?

@jg4xchamp: I can see a case for ocarina being a remaster but they made alot more changes to majora.

It's the same fucking bosses, what did they change?

That's still not a fucking remake, a remake should make sweeping changes to the core foundation of the game. That's what a remake is in any other field. All these games are glorified director's cut or touch up projects. Nintendo has a text book of what an actual remake it, it was called Metroid: Zero Mission. That game simply can't be dismissed as Metroid, but prettyier. All its gameplay cues, scenarios, and design are taken from improvements made in Super Metroid. But with the layout of Metroid. That's a remake, there is a massive difference between OG Metroid and Zero Mission.

lol Wii U

This should be in the legacy section.

Im curious to see what you think of that horrible battery life on Dual Shock 4? Its funny you judge Wii Us features and content so much and dont even own one. But, its your opinion, good luck with it.

The Dualshock 4 is certainly an issue. I would put that in the category of "modestly annoying". It's definitely much less battery life than Dualshock 3, probably a cut of 75% (just a guess based on my observation). However even that is not as cripplingly bad as I know the Wii-U tablet battery is. We are talking 20 hours vs. like 3 hours.

I don't see why I would have to own a Wii-U to be able to criticize it's features. I am aware of the issues, and the issues are why I decided to pass on the Wii-U. Do you typically go out and buy products you suspect strongly or know are bad just to see for yourself just HOW bad they are?

You actually think PS4 controller can get past 7 hours? I do not condemn products i "think" are bad unless i have experienced them. I do not condemn content i "think" is bad, unless i have experienced it. And even if i do "think" its bad, i dont spend my time hating on it, its not worth my time.

Considering I only plug it in every 3 days or so, yeah. Seems they go about 15-20 hours playtime to me.

I'm not condemning any games, as that is more a matter of personal feeling. But the hardware I can condemn because there are specifications that tell me they are weak and/or flawed. It's less a matter of personal feeling or attachment, and more a cold-hard analysis of specifications and what you are paying for those specifications.

Mmkay. So, if 90% of a car's reviews mention poor reliability, that's not good enough for you? You have to buy it to know for sure? If a cold medicine was on the market that caused hair loss as an unlisted side effect, you would have to take it and experience the loss before you could write it off?

@2Chalupas: But you havnt experienced that hardware, so what would you know? You havnt felt the fun of the Gyro in Splatoon, the greatness of touchscreen control in Pikmin 3, and so much more, you condemn it without even experiencing it. Why even waste your time hating on it?

In order for me to say the car has poor reliability and condemn such car for it i would have to have experienced its poor reliability. Else, what the heck would i know about how reliable the car is.

In order for me to condemn such hair product for causing loss of hair, yes, i would have had to have had experience with said product, else im talking out my arse and condemning a product for what i "think" it might do.

Yeah it's really crap, looks like it'll have the lowest sales, worst games library and shortest lifespan of any Nintendo console. (2nd worst, if you count Virtual Boy as a Nintendo console) Even the heights of N64 or Wii droughts weren't as bad as WiiU's 2015.

Oh well, it was my own dumb fault for buying one before Zelda was actually on the store shelves.

Gamecube had a better arsenal of games in my opinion. It's sad that the Wii U has done so poorly, but Nintendo hasn't really done anything to try to fix it either. 3rd parties with a system that compares in power to the competition would've made the Wii U much more attractive to the average consumer. Instead with the Wii U it is almost a necessity to own another console, handheld, or pc because of the droughts the machine goes through.

It still has some good games coming out though. There's at least 4 games I'm interested in which puts it right in line with the X1 and PS4 lineups for me.

@iambatman7986: I think NX will help fix that, like Nintendo did with N3DS, its for people who want more power and for developers needing it. Nintendo can release NX for developers who want more power to match PS4 and Xbox One, can make the games work like they do on N3DS where new games released will work on NX and Wii U.

I haven't turned on my Wii U since January. It basically just exists to play Zelda at this point.

I don't know man, 2009 Wii games were pretty bad.

@mesome713: We've been through 3 decades of consoles to know why the wii u is crap. It shouldn't even be a question. Nintendo should really be ashamed of themselves. The NX will either save Nintendo or finish em for good. The nx will have to be an outstanding system all the way around and should be at LEAST as powerful as the ps4.

@augustevans: Your still being vague mate, why is it crap?

exactly this. although, unlike sony 2006 and microsoft 2013, they are remaining arrogant and have done nothing to reverse their mistakes. its just standard nintendo arrogance and idiocy.