how is Qore a "bad thing"?..

looking at these forums, you'd swear that Sony did the gaming community a disservice by introducing Qore... for those of you that dont know Qore is a monthly high-definition podcast of news, developer interviews, in-depth game previews, and behind-the-scenes looks at PlayStation games.. also with a Qore subscription you get special access to game demos, beta invitations, game add-ons, and other downloadable game-related content

not suprisingly tho, lemmings are crying foul on this new service for no real reason.. so lets clear a few things up:

"bu bu but you now have to pay 4 teh demoz!!1!"..

no.. demos, trailers, themes, and etc are all still available for free via the normal PS Store.. Qore subscribers simply get "special access" to demos and etc.. this "special access" is no different than how XBL Gold members get access to demos and etc before XBL Silver members get access to them.. the first example of this is the Socom: Confrontation theme which is currently only accessable via a Qore subscription.. it's pretty obvious that this theme will eventually be available in the genereal PS Store at some point; probably next month once the new Qore episode is released..

"bu bu but who wants to pay for previewz?!.. that's stuffz free on the interweb!!1!"

the people who want to pay for Qore are the same people who subscribe to monthly mags like OXM and OPM.. the people who have paid memberships to Gamespot.. these are the people who want that "premium" content and are willing to pay a little extra for it.. once again, Qore is just an option.. just as in the same way that you can still enjoy Gamespot without being a paying member, you can still enjoy free online multiplayer, free downloads in the PS Store, and PSN in general without ever paying for a single month of Qore.. Qore is simply "extra content".. for those that say that PSN doesnt have enough content at the moment, well Qore is your step in the right direction...

"bu bu but yo have to pay $3 for beta access?!.. betas should be free!!211!"..

firstly, lets not kid ourselves into thinking that there's going to be a beta available every month.. the Socom: Confrontation beta access is just a way for people to get buzzed about Qore.. the next beta i can forsee coming is maybe another Home beta, but beyond that who knows.. Qore simply ensures you a spot in the beta if you so desire.. there's obviously other free ways to gain entry into a beta, so Qore isnt "needed" for this.. gaining beta access via Qore is a convenience.. nothing more, nothing less..

and let's not act like this is the first time beta access has been used to promote a product.. anybody remember the Halo 3 beta that was pushed via Crackdown?.. ;).. but this is just $2.99 versus the $59.99 some people paid to be in that beta...

"bu but PSN will nevar be able to touch XBL!!1!.. Qore wont helpz joo!1!!"..

the bottomline is that PSN offers what nearly any average online gamer would want.. free online mulitplayer with the basics of a unified buddylist, messaging, and downloads.. most people wouldnt really ask for much more.. but beyond that, you have the in-game XMB which will be a huge step toward competing with XBL.. you have Home which brings a unique approach to bringing "community" to console gaming.. and now you have Qore.. it'll provide that extra content some people have been asking for and since it is a "paid service", Sony will have the leverage to get new content to PSN users just as fast as the paid subscribers of XBL Gold... the revenue that will be generated from Qore and from the optionial microtrasactions in Home will help PSN be truly competitive with a paid service like XBL Gold.. all without making people pay for the most important feature: the online multiplayer....

Qore is extra.. and it's optional.. so what's to complain about?...

its completely hypocritical is why.

so why is xbl a bad thing if qqore is a good thing?

u know what qqore rhymes with? lol.....cows

its completely hypocritical is why.

so why is xbl a bad thing if qqore is a good thing?

u know what qqore rhymes with? lol.....cows

LibertySaint

Now how is Qore a bad thign???

.. anybody remember the Halo 3 beta that was pushed via Crackdown?.. ;).. but this is just $2.99 versus the $59.99 some people paid to be in that beta..Antwan3K

eh, $25 a year is nothing. People pay $60 for unfinished games and pay extra for the game to be completed through DLC. People pay $50 a year to play games online.

If it so happens that Qore provides me nothing, oh well. I'm not going to go bankrupt because I subscribed to Qore. If it gives me special access to betas and other stuff, then it's all good.

I think Qore charging you for a beta can be a bad thing. I mean what if other games with betas start charging you for the betas. Betas should always be free no matter what. You're helping these devs find bugs and such in these betas and that's why they should be free because you're doing their job for them.

I hope nobody subscribe to Qore and we'll see a price drop or they'll even probably make it free. Just look at Haze, nobody bought it, and the price dropped in mere weeks. Power to the people!

People think all of the regular demos and betas and other good free content will be put there.

Qore is an online magazine of sorts which is an optional purchase and has no impact on online play or any other thing. PSN is still free.EVOLV3

[QUOTE="LibertySaint"]

its completely hypocritical is why.

so why is xbl a bad thing if qqore is a good thing?

u know what qqore rhymes with? lol.....cows

f50p90

Now how is Qore a bad thign???

its completely hypocritical is why.

so why is xbl a bad thing if qqore is a good thing?

u know what qqore rhymes with? lol.....cows

LibertySaint

its completely hypocritical is why.

so why is xbl a bad thing if qqore is a good thing?

u know what qqore rhymes with? lol.....cows

LibertySaint

the reason some people think XBL Gold is "bad" is because it makes you pay for a core gaming function.. the online multiplayer...

you buy a game for $60.. let's say this game is Halo 3.. sure there's a single player mode.. but a large reason the game received it's ratings is for it's online elements.. you want to play?.. well pay a monthly or yearly fee first... :|

it's like having to pay extra in order to access a piece of the product you already bought.. in many people's eye's, it's almost as bad as when you had to buy the Xbox remote control in order to "unlock" the Xbox's DVD playback.. it just doesnt make sense..

XBL is a better service since it is indeed a "paid service".. no doubt.. but the main reason why they have so many subscribers is simply because you must subscribe in order to fully play your game....

[QUOTE="LibertySaint"]

its completely hypocritical is why.

so why is xbl a bad thing if qqore is a good thing?

u know what qqore rhymes with? lol.....cows

toast_burner

Here's the difference with Qore and a real gaming magazine. You can put away your gaming magazine and put them in your magazine collection and you can always go back to them and read them or look at the pictures again anytime. What about Qore, how long will these videos and content stay in the service? Plus all these information coming from Qore will be downloaded to your hard drive, just another way to use up your hard drive with a quickness. Atleast with a real magazine you can recycle them and it helps out with nature.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="LibertySaint"]

its completely hypocritical is why.

so why is xbl a bad thing if qqore is a good thing?

u know what qqore rhymes with? lol.....cows

LibertySaint

and what do you think is financing that, sir?.. obviously is the $50 a year subscriptions that microsoft is getting from over 10 million subscribers...

that's over $500 million a year in XBL Gold subscriptions.. hell yes, XBL's online mag shouldnt cost you any extra....

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="LibertySaint"]

its completely hypocritical is why.

so why is xbl a bad thing if qqore is a good thing?

u know what qqore rhymes with? lol.....cows

LibertySaint

[QUOTE="LibertySaint"][QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="LibertySaint"]

its completely hypocritical is why.

so why is xbl a bad thing if qqore is a good thing?

u know what qqore rhymes with? lol.....cows

Antwan3K

and what do you think is financing that, sir?.. obviously is the $50 a year subscriptions that microsoft is getting from over 10 million subscribers...

that's over $500 million a year in XBL Gold subscriptions.. hell yes, XBL's online mag shouldnt cost you any extra....

Lollercakes.

What do you mean $50 a year? You mean 14 cents a day!

/idiotic fanboyism

Here's the difference with Qore and a real gaming magazine. You can put away your gaming magazine and put them in your magazine collection and you can always go back to them and read them or look at the pictures again anytime. What about Qore, how long will these videos and content stay in the service? Plus all these information coming from Qore will be downloaded to your hard drive, just another way to use up your hard drive with a quickness. Atleast with a real magazine you can recycle them and it helps out with nature.

ReverseCycology

Qore downloads will be saved to the PSN network just as any other download you purchased is saved and you can re-download it at any time if you choose to erase it...

other than that, you can probably back them up on an external HDD.. i got a 500gb external USB HDD for cheap and that's where i would store them if i wanted to keep a "collection"... havent tried it though.. and probably wont since i can just redownload specific episodes as i see fit....

[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

Here's the difference with Qore and a real gaming magazine. You can put away your gaming magazine and put them in your magazine collection and you can always go back to them and read them or look at the pictures again anytime. What about Qore, how long will these videos and content stay in the service? Plus all these information coming from Qore will be downloaded to your hard drive, just another way to use up your hard drive with a quickness. Atleast with a real magazine you can recycle them and it helps out with nature.

Antwan3K

Qore downloads will be saved to the PSN network just as any other download you purchased is saved and you can re-download it at any time if you choose to erase it...

other than that, you can probably back them up on an external HDD.. i got a 500gb external USB HDD for cheap and that's where i would store them if i wanted to keep a "collection"... havent tried it though.. and probably wont since i can just redownload specific episodes as i see fit....

Hey do you have a Calvary brand HDD?

[QUOTE="LibertySaint"]

its completely hypocritical is why.

so why is xbl a bad thing if qqore is a good thing?

u know what qqore rhymes with? lol.....cows

Antwan3K

the reason some people think XBL Gold is "bad" is because it makes you pay for a core gaming function.. the online multiplayer...

you buy a game for $60.. let's say this game is Halo 3.. sure there's a single player mode.. but a large reason the game received it's ratings is for it's online elements.. you want to play?.. well pay a monthly or yearly fee first... :|

it's like having to pay extra in order to access a piece of the product you already bought.. in many people's eye's, it's almost as bad as when you had to buy the Xbox remote control in order to "unlock" the Xbox's DVD playback.. it just doesnt make sense..

XBL is a better service since it is indeed a "paid service".. no doubt.. but the main reason why they have so many subscribers is simply because you must subscribe in order to fully play your game....

/thread

[QUOTE="Antwan3K"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

Here's the difference with Qore and a real gaming magazine. You can put away your gaming magazine and put them in your magazine collection and you can always go back to them and read them or look at the pictures again anytime. What about Qore, how long will these videos and content stay in the service? Plus all these information coming from Qore will be downloaded to your hard drive, just another way to use up your hard drive with a quickness. Atleast with a real magazine you can recycle them and it helps out with nature.

ReverseCycology

Qore downloads will be saved to the PSN network just as any other download you purchased is saved and you can re-download it at any time if you choose to erase it...

other than that, you can probably back them up on an external HDD.. i got a 500gb external USB HDD for cheap and that's where i would store them if i wanted to keep a "collection"... havent tried it though.. and probably wont since i can just redownload specific episodes as i see fit....

Hey do you have a Calvary brand HDD?

naw, not that brand.. not home right now and cant think of it off the top of my head..

People think all of the regular demos and betas and other good free content will be put there.

Nike_Air

people think of all the demos and other good free content that regular folks like us (who ain't payin' a dime for no damn qore, core, cuore, whatever the f it is) would be deprived of. Stuff we used to get for free, pre-qore....

[QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

People think all of the regular demos and betas and other good free content will be put there.

tok1879

people think of all the demos and other good free content that regular folks like us (who ain't payin' a dime for no damn qore, core, cuore, whatever the f it is) would be deprived of. Stuff we used to get for free, pre-qore....

[QUOTE="tok1879"][QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

People think all of the regular demos and betas and other good free content will be put there.

Nike_Air

people think of all the demos and other good free content that regular folks like us (who ain't payin' a dime for no damn qore, core, cuore, whatever the f it is) would be deprived of. Stuff we used to get for free, pre-qore....

exactly...

I think Qore charging you for a beta can be a bad thing. I mean what if other games with betas start charging you for the betas. Betas should always be free no matter what. You're helping these devs find bugs and such in these betas and that's why they should be free because you're doing their job for them.

ReverseCycology

You aren't paying for a beta. Betas are not going to be on the service every single month. More than likely a Home beta and Agency beta will eventually be released.

You pay for the subscription and they give you instant access to betas as opposed to having to sign up for free others ways without any promise of getting in.

[QUOTE="tok1879"][QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

People think all of the regular demos and betas and other good free content will be put there.

Nike_Air

people think of all the demos and other good free content that regular folks like us (who ain't payin' a dime for no damn qore, core, cuore, whatever the f it is) would be deprived of. Stuff we used to get for free, pre-qore....

nope, not yet, but they gotta start somewhere, right??

Well there's the obvious hypocritical nature of fanboys. Ther 360'ers are tired of hearing how they're the only ones paying for online content, especially all those "lol now you have to pay for demos" threads around the time it was announced XBL Gold accounts would have access to content before Silver accounts. So now that PS3 owners are being charged for what was (essentially) free, the 360 fanboys are going to town.

The other is that Qore sets a precedent. Right now it might not be a big deal, but you never know what Sony could add to the service later on. Maybe there will be Qore-only areas in Home, or Qore users will get exclusive access to some in-game content. Obviously this is just speculation, but if you were looking for a conspiracy you could argue that Qore is the precursor for a subscription-based service a la XBL.

Great points.

Qore is a cool optional feature. Plain and simple.

[QUOTE="Antwan3K"].. anybody remember the Halo 3 beta that was pushed via Crackdown?.. ;).. but this is just $2.99 versus the $59.99 some people paid to be in that beta..II-FBIsniper-II

And after that, all you had to do is rent it from BB to get into the Halo 3 beta like I did :).

But still Qore is not a bad thing at all. It's a nice optional feature. I pay for GI every year, so I might pay for Qore.

It's hilarious imo. Where are all the people subscribing to this qore garbage, but cried about paying for XBL? The content equivalent of Qore on XBL is completely free.

It isn't neccessarily a bad thing, but it is mediocre. And putting all those ads in it is dumb.I think people defending it should buy it first. I'll give it some time and get the first few "issues" but so far I'm not impressed.

Secondly, there's this thing: it does something that cows ripped the lemmings for: Charges for advance access to beta's and demos.Now if the advance demos turn out to be exclusive demos, I think that's terrible.

Third: They already screwed the beta access up because people who didn't buy Qore will have access to the Socom beta first.

Fourth. Playstation Underground offered access to betas and demos for free.

Fifth. GET RID OF THE FRACKING ADS. Granted you only have to watch them once, but you have to watch them. I've already paid for this crap and I don't need intrusive ads messing up my experience. LAME.

Qore better step it up. To be fair, this is only the first issue. I'll keep checking in on it for now. But it's a pretty lackluster effort ATM.

Great points.

Qore is a cool optional feature. Plain and simple.

TREAL_Since

its completely hypocritical is why.

so why is xbl a bad thing if qqore is a good thing?

u know what qqore rhymes with? lol.....cows

LibertySaint

How about that Qqore is optional and XBL is mandatory for online gaming?

[QUOTE="LibertySaint"]

its completely hypocritical is why.

so why is xbl a bad thing if qqore is a good thing?

u know what qqore rhymes with? lol.....cows

Wasdie

How about that Qqore is optional and XBL is mandatory for online gaming?

[QUOTE="Wasdie"][QUOTE="LibertySaint"]

its completely hypocritical is why.

so why is xbl a bad thing if qqore is a good thing?

u know what qqore rhymes with? lol.....cows

heretrix

How about that Qqore is optional and XBL is mandatory for online gaming?

Even further proves my point. You don't need to pay to play online with PSN and you do have to with XBL.

[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="Wasdie"][QUOTE="LibertySaint"]

its completely hypocritical is why.

so why is xbl a bad thing if qqore is a good thing?

u know what qqore rhymes with? lol.....cows

Wasdie

How about that Qqore is optional and XBL is mandatory for online gaming?

Even further proves my point. You don't need to pay to play online with PSN and you do have to with XBL.

Well there's the obvious hypocritical nature of fanboys. Ther 360'ers are tired of hearing how they're the only ones paying for online content, especially all those "lol now you have to pay for demos" threads around the time it was announced XBL Gold accounts would have access to content before Silver accounts. So now that PS3 owners are being charged for what was (essentially) free, the 360 fanboys are going to town.

The other is that Qore sets a precedent. Right now it might not be a big deal, but you never know what Sony could add to the service later on. Maybe there will be Qore-only areas in Home, or Qore users will get exclusive access to some in-game content. Obviously this is just speculation, but if you were looking for a conspiracy you could argue that Qore is the precursor for a subscription-based service a la XBL.

PBSnipes

Although Qore is not a service, it's function does EXACTLY what lemmings were once criticized for: Paying for advance access to demos, much like XBL gold users getting demos one or two weeks eariler than the silver users...

THIS IS NOT ABOUT PSN vs XBL, or whether or not online gaming should be free or not. I really wish people would stop dodging the issue and trying to make it that.

Qore is extra and is part of the media that the PSN offers.

So i see Qore as a good thing. While PSN offers free online, you get to manage ur demos, previews, articles etc and updated.

[QUOTE="LibertySaint"]

its completely hypocritical is why.

so why is xbl a bad thing if qqore is a good thing?

u know what qqore rhymes with? lol.....cows

Antwan3K

the reason some people think XBL Gold is "bad" is because it makes you pay for a core gaming function.. the online multiplayer...

you buy a game for $60.. let's say this game is Halo 3.. sure there's a single player mode.. but a large reason the game received it's ratings is for it's online elements.. you want to play?.. well pay a monthly or yearly fee first... :|

it's like having to pay extra in order to access a piece of the product you already bought.. in many people's eye's, it's almost as bad as when you had to buy the Xbox remote control in order to "unlock" the Xbox's DVD playback.. it just doesnt make sense..

XBL is a better service since it is indeed a "paid service".. no doubt.. but the main reason why they have so many subscribers is simply because you must subscribe in order to fully play your game....

Logical post i have seen in a while.

Agreed!

Omg some of you are just clueless. You can still get into the special beta's without Qore. Qore just gives you that guarenteed seat. The Socom Confrontation beta entries will be offered in other ways besides through Qore.

when cows stop saying that 50 dollars a year gets us every thing they will get with Qore and more much much more is a bad thing.

then we will stop saying qore is a rip off.

I'm sorry but paying for beta access is lame no matter how much you want to spin things. beta is a testing phase so that they can find out what's wrong with the game before it's launched. being a free tester is one thing. paying for the "privilege" to help them test is another. it's like an internship where you have to pay the company for the "privilege" of interning with them.Ontain

when cows stop saying that 50 dollars a year gets us every thing they will get with Qore and more much much more is a bad thing.

then we will stop saying qore is a rip off.

WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="Ontain"]I'm sorry but paying for beta access is lame no matter how much you want to spin things. beta is a testing phase so that they can find out what's wrong with the game before it's launched. being a free tester is one thing. paying for the "privilege" to help them test is another. it's like an internship where you have to pay the company for the "privilege" of interning with them.Nike_Air

[QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

[QUOTE="Ontain"]I'm sorry but paying for beta access is lame no matter how much you want to spin things. beta is a testing phase so that they can find out what's wrong with the game before it's launched. being a free tester is one thing. paying for the "privilege" to help them test is another. it's like an internship where you have to pay the company for the "privilege" of interning with them.heretrix

[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

[QUOTE="Ontain"]I'm sorry but paying for beta access is lame no matter how much you want to spin things. beta is a testing phase so that they can find out what's wrong with the game before it's launched. being a free tester is one thing. paying for the "privilege" to help them test is another. it's like an internship where you have to pay the company for the "privilege" of interning with them.Nike_Air

;)

As its COMPLETELY optional, I don't see how anyone can complain about it...

I mean its not like Sony are pushing for people to pay for online, its like an interactive magazine...