How are Nintendo still around?

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#1 Posted by mrfrosty151986 (526 posts) -

I love a good Nintendo game as much as the next man, heck my 2 favorite games of all time are mario 64 and Zelda OOT but it just seems that Nintendo games are not moving forward at all, sure they stil make some decent titles but for the most part they're completely unchanged from the games that they made 20 years ago.

Sega had a much better track record and they ended up going the software way and yet Nintendo are still around?

I don't get it.... :(

#2 Posted by psymon100 (6138 posts) -

When talking about Sega's track record, what about Sonic?

#3 Posted by themajormayor (25703 posts) -
Kids
#4 Posted by Lulekani (2216 posts) -
The same reason Valve's Steam is still around, and the same reason the PS VITA will still be around 5 years from now : sheer and unbridled and Stubborn PERSISTANCE. I love it when a company wont admit defeat for so long it actualy ends being true.
#5 Posted by MSXBOX4EVER (550 posts) -

nintendos handhelds say hi ...

#6 Posted by Shirokishi_ (11195 posts) -

Gimmicks/"innovations" and well made games in established franchises.
Thier games may not be as revolutionary as they once were but they still dish out top notch quality and fun titles.

#7 Posted by HarlockJC (25546 posts) -
Sega has a better track record...SMG 1 and SMG 2 are two of the highest rated games they won many GOTY awards. Zelda:TP won many GOTY and Gametrailers named it as one of the best games during the gen. Please tell me what Sega has done that compares to that record?
#8 Posted by CDUB316 (6589 posts) -

because they were number one in sales in both the console race and handheld race?

that MAAAY have something to do with it...sales and money...but hey, i'm no doctor

#9 Posted by nintendoboy16 (26278 posts) -

At this point, that's what I'm ready to ask. For reasons why, I'm not repeating myself as SW'ers are annoyed by me enough already.

#10 Posted by Newhopes (4511 posts) -

Why change to formula when your games sell by the bucket load?

#11 Posted by LordQuorthon (5287 posts) -

1) Outsell your competition.

2) Drop out of the console race.

3) ???

4) Make dumb system warriors happy!

#12 Posted by Miroku32 (8666 posts) -
Sometimes I wonder why people are so stupid.
#13 Posted by SecretPolice (21493 posts) -

It's all in the name :o especially in Japan.

Just sayin. :P

#14 Posted by clone01 (24535 posts) -

I love a good Nintendo game as much as the next man, heck my 2 favorite games of all time are mario 64 and Zelda OOT but it just seems that Nintendo games are not moving forward at all, sure they stil make some decent titles but for the most part they're completely unchanged from the games that they made 20 years ago.

Sega had a much better track record and they ended up going the software way and yet Nintendo are still around?

I don't get it.... :(

mrfrosty151986
Because their products sell a sh*t ton.
#15 Posted by Michael0134567 (28651 posts) -

Lol what?

#16 Posted by King_Dodongo (3247 posts) -
This is a joke thread, right? They are at the top and some people at SW really have such questions.
#17 Posted by KungfuKitten (20865 posts) -

Because they keep changing their games up, they can be around for a long time. Their IP's don't grow stale nearly as fast as IP's of other dev/publishers.

#18 Posted by sailor232 (4450 posts) -

They make a ton of money, most of there games and systems sell bucket loads.

#19 Posted by delta3074 (17906 posts) -
Nintendo has always dominated the Handheld market which at one point made up almost 70% of the whole market.
#20 Posted by delta3074 (17906 posts) -

Because they keep changing their games up, they can be around for a long time. Their IP's don't grow stale nearly as fast as IP's of other dev/publishers.

KungfuKitten
This is tru, look at what they did with Metroid.
#21 Posted by WitIsWisdom (3696 posts) -

Its simple... There are casual gamers. Like most of the people on this website. These people usually own just one console and they live and breathe that console. They may own a couple games, and they love anything they have played. Then you have the I used to be a casual gamer/I want to be hip gamers who are either aging Nintendo fans, or parents who want their kids to play a cleaner product devoid of violence and harsh language. This is unfortunately Nintendos market... The "even bigger than casual" audience... lol

I hope Nintendo mixes it up with the Wii U, but I dont really see why they would... I mean they have about half the gaming community under their thumb.

#22 Posted by Heirren (16572 posts) -
Nintendo is facing serious issues with download content. It could ultimately be their demise.
#23 Posted by Pikminmaniac (8774 posts) -

I dunno, I found the Mario Galaxy games and Skyward Sword to be some of the freshest mainstream games, if not the freshest this entire gen. They're old franchises, but they're hardly cut and paste. Nintendo is constantly reinventing and adding to their old franchises and the reason their still around is because they own the handheld market and constantly innovate the console space.

#24 Posted by Blaz3_fox (174 posts) -
This is a joke thread, right? They are at the top and some people at SW really have such questions. King_Dodongo
This. Nintendo dominated this generation whether or not you all want to admit it. The Wii sold insanely, the first party games have remained consistently awesome and they have made some daring, but very clever business decisions which have paid off for them and now the industry is trying to catch up to them. If anybody, I believe that Sony is most likely to drop out of the console race, because Ps3 started as a huge failure, although it has gotten better, and the psp and ps vita I think we can now consider failures. A company can only take so much. I just want Nintendo and ms to learn from Sony and it's embracing of the free-to-play games, and free online play.
#25 Posted by CaseyWegner (70104 posts) -

not everybody has been gaming for 20 years.

#26 Posted by bonesawisready5 (4628 posts) -
They make analog sticks popular in console gaming, make rumble popular, give us motion controls, make the DS, put 3D without glasses in a handheld and then bring out the Wii U Game Pad and you think they aren't "really doing anything"?
#27 Posted by FlamesOfGrey (7503 posts) -
Console wise Nintendo is poor and has had mediocore libraries being held up by the 1st party brand name games since the N64 (A few 3rd party gems that didn't get the respect they deserved thrown in). Handheld wise Nintendo have always dominated with tons of high quality 3rd party in additon to their 1st party. Also, you have the Nostalgia factor which plays a huge role. For me Nintendo being handheld only hardware wise would be ideal.
#28 Posted by BigBoss255 (3538 posts) -
Because the Wii, DS and 3DS have sold sh!t loads.
#29 Posted by KungfuKitten (20865 posts) -
[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"]

Because they keep changing their games up, they can be around for a long time. Their IP's don't grow stale nearly as fast as IP's of other dev/publishers.

delta3074
This is tru, look at what they did with Metroid.

Yes and sometimes it fails. IMO Metroid Other M wasn't great. But it's fine, next time they'll think of something better.
#30 Posted by Gue1 (9513 posts) -

nostalgia is their main weapon. And now the casual market they captured ith the Wii but those are now flocking to Kinect....

#31 Posted by Nintendo_Ownes7 (30917 posts) -

Nintendo is facing serious issues with download content. It could ultimately be their demise.Heirren
I don't think that every developer says Nintendo's eShop store is managed similar to Steam where Nintendo doesn't impose any restrictions on developers and most developers say that the eShop is better then XBLA and PSN in terms of freedom.

#32 Posted by SecretPolice (21493 posts) -

not everybody has been gaming for 20 years.

CaseyWegner

That's actually a very good point I often forget.

#33 Posted by ryangcnx-2 (1208 posts) -

You say that they are the same franchises, but think about it, Zelda is 26 years old and there have only been Zelda, Zelda II, A link to the past, OOT, Majoras Mask, Wind Waker, Twighlight Princess and Skyward Sword on their major consoles. Thats 8 Zelda games in the last 26 years, compare that to many of todays franchises, their have been COD, CODII, CODIII, CODMW, CODWOW, CODMW2, CODBO, CODMW3, CODBO2 since 2003, thats 9 games in 9 years. Uncharted came out in 2007 and already have 3 entries. Gears since 2007 has also had 3 main titles.

My point being is that Nintendo SPACES out their releases, we really only get a Main Zelda title every 4 or so years. Same goes with 3-D mario and even less titles in the Metroid Universe. Donkey Kong only have 5 games total since DKC. And Nintendo always releases top notch quality releases.

Nintendo just knows not to stray to far from the formula that made the games great to begin with. If they changed it dramatically they would probobly get tons of backlash. Now if they releases a Zelda every single year, then yes, it would be a problem.

Sure, I would love nintendo take a few things from Darksiders II and intergrate them into the next Zelda Title, giving it some more RPG elements. But even if it's still Classic Zelda, it's still very enjoyable.

#34 Posted by Heil68 (43490 posts) -
Kids and soccer moms have proven to be a lucrative market.
#35 Posted by YearoftheSnake5 (7214 posts) -


Nintendo has been making enough money to stay in business. It doesn't matter what you think of their games.

#36 Posted by Ballroompirate (22555 posts) -

Sometimes I wonder why people are so stupid. Miroku32

It's system wars, chaos,stupidity and mayhem run rampant here.

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#37 Posted by MFDOOM1983 (8453 posts) -

1. strong, loyal fanbase

2. Parents think of nintendo as the disney of the VG industry.

3. relatively cheap hardware = high profit margins

#38 Posted by nintendoboy16 (26278 posts) -

1. strong, loyal fanbase

MFDOOM1983
Strong? Maybe. Loyal? Hell no.
#39 Posted by MFDOOM1983 (8453 posts) -
[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]

1. strong, loyal fanbase

nintendoboy16
Strong? Maybe. Loyal? Hell no.

You'd have to be loyal to buy wii-u after gc and wii.
#40 Posted by nintendoboy16 (26278 posts) -

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]

1. strong, loyal fanbase

MFDOOM1983

Strong? Maybe. Loyal? Hell no.

You'd have to be loyal to buy wii-u after gc and wii.

You'd also have to like them for whatever they do as well, but Ninty having a Broken, Unpleaseable Base proved otherwise on so many levels.

#41 Posted by MFDOOM1983 (8453 posts) -
[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="nintendoboy16"] Strong? Maybe. Loyal? Hell no.

You'd have to be loyal to buy wii-u after gc and wii.

You'd also have to like them for whatever they do as well, but Ninty having a Broken, Unpleaseable Base proves that wrong on so many levels.

I doubt nintendo cares how much their fanbase cries foul because at the end of the day they'll buy whatever nintendo throws at them as long as it has mario, zelda, metroid, etc.
#42 Posted by VERTIGO47 (6248 posts) -

Because their 1st party games ACTUALLY SELLS

#43 Posted by Ballroompirate (22555 posts) -

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]

1. strong, loyal fanbase

MFDOOM1983

Strong? Maybe. Loyal? Hell no.

You'd have to be loyal to buy wii-u after gc and wii.

Yeah you have to be loyal to drop $300 on a 8GB system, I thought it was bad when MS did that for the 4GB 360 but at least it's $100 cheaper, nether of those will store worth a darn:?

Now that I think about it the $500 40GB PS3 was also a rip off...

#44 Posted by nintendoboy16 (26278 posts) -

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"] You'd have to be loyal to buy wii-u after gc and wii. MFDOOM1983
You'd also have to like them for whatever they do as well, but Ninty having a Broken, Unpleaseable Base proves that wrong on so many levels.

I doubt nintendo cares how much their fanbase cries foul because at the end of the day they'll buy whatever nintendo throws at them as long as it has mario, zelda, metroid, etc.

*looks at bad sales of Metroid: Other M, Star Fox Command, and F-Zero GBA titles*

You were saying?

#45 Posted by MFDOOM1983 (8453 posts) -

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="nintendoboy16"] You'd also have to like them for whatever they do as well, but Ninty having a Broken, Unpleaseable Base proves that wrong on so many levels.nintendoboy16

I doubt nintendo cares how much their fanbase cries foul because at the end of the day they'll buy whatever nintendo throws at them as long as it has mario, zelda, metroid, etc.

*looks at bad sales of Metroid: Other M, Star Fox Command, and F-Zero GBA titles*

You were saying?

F zero and star fox were never big sellers and other M was not made by nintendo.

Edit: "F-Zero: Maximum Velocity went on to sell 334,145 copies in Japan and 273,229 copies in the U.S. as of 2005." Not too shabby for a gba game. Didn't find anything for the sequel, but the first sold enough to warrant another title.

#46 Posted by Heirren (16572 posts) -

[QUOTE="Heirren"]Nintendo is facing serious issues with download content. It could ultimately be their demise.Nintendo_Ownes7

I don't think that every developer says Nintendo's eShop store is managed similar to Steam where Nintendo doesn't impose any restrictions on developers and most developers say that the eShop is better then XBLA and PSN in terms of freedom.

I meant in the sense that Nintendo does not support dlc to the effect ms and Sony do. And the reality of the situation is that they cannot support it as much, as their brand is a family oriented one with a large portion of their gamers being young kids. An unknowing child would be very upset, as well as the parents, if they just spent $60 and then found out they had to spend $20 more. That sounds like I'm joking but I'm not, and it is reasons like this that I'm still pulling for Nintendo. They understand a healthy games industry in ways the others do not.
#47 Posted by KungfuKitten (20865 posts) -

You say that they are the same franchises, but think about it, Zelda is 26 years old and there have only been Zelda, Zelda II, A link to the past, OOT, Majoras Mask, Wind Waker, Twighlight Princess and Skyward Sword on their major consoles. Thats 8 Zelda games in the last 26 years, compare that to many of todays franchises, their have been COD, CODII, CODIII, CODMW, CODWOW, CODMW2, CODBO, CODMW3, CODBO2 since 2003, thats 9 games in 9 years. Uncharted came out in 2007 and already have 3 entries. Gears since 2007 has also had 3 main titles.

My point being is that Nintendo SPACES out their releases, we really only get a Main Zelda title every 4 or so years. Same goes with 3-D mario and even less titles in the Metroid Universe. Donkey Kong only have 5 games total since DKC. And Nintendo always releases top notch quality releases.

Nintendo just knows not to stray to far from the formula that made the games great to begin with. If they changed it dramatically they would probobly get tons of backlash. Now if they releases a Zelda every single year, then yes, it would be a problem.

Sure, I would love nintendo take a few things from Darksiders II and intergrate them into the next Zelda Title, giving it some more RPG elements. But even if it's still Classic Zelda, it's still very enjoyable.

ryangcnx-2
Good point. If you look at how many semi-generic shooters I have played the past year, then having a semi-same zelda every 2 years is not bad at all. Game consumers do have periodical buying patterns. Their interest in one specific area gets saturated for some time, other interests open up for some time.
#48 Posted by Zeviander (9503 posts) -
I'm amazed at how there are people with such a horrible grasp on business and what "making a profit" means. Sega was burning through money faster than anyone else at the time. The only console Nintendo has ever sold at a loss, apparently, is the Wii U. Even the Gamecube was substantially profitable for them.
#49 Posted by nintendoboy16 (26278 posts) -

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]I doubt nintendo cares how much their fanbase cries foul because at the end of the day they'll buy whatever nintendo throws at them as long as it has mario, zelda, metroid, etc. MFDOOM1983

*looks at bad sales of Metroid: Other M, Star Fox Command, and F-Zero GBA titles*

You were saying?

F zero and star fox were never big sellers and other M was not made by nintendo.

Edit: "F-Zero: Maximum Velocity went on to sell 334,145 copies in Japan and 273,229 copies in the U.S. as of 2005." Not too shabby for a gba game. Didn't find anything for the sequel, but the first sold enough to warrant another title.

F-Zero on SNES sold a million.

Star Fox 64 is regarded as one of the best selling games of 1997, Star Fox Adventures sold a million, and Assault was considered to be a best-seller on the GameCube. Star Fox 64 3D was one of the top-selling 3DS games of last year in North America, and that was a game that Miyamoto said that if it didn't sell well, he'd kill off the franchise (though Dylan Cuthbert thinks he's bluffing).

Doesn't matter if Other M wasn't developed by Nintendo (despite Yoshio Sakamoto's main involvement with the storyline, which ended up being the most controversial part of that game), that game still messed up a lot of things for the Metroid franchise for both fans and Nintendo, it may as well be like F-Zero (after 64 3D doing well in America, Star Fox's fate is up in the air) and end up as nothing more than reference material.

#50 Posted by Nintendo_Ownes7 (30917 posts) -

[QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"]Nintendo is facing serious issues with download content. It could ultimately be their demise.Heirren

I don't think that every developer says Nintendo's eShop store is managed similar to Steam where Nintendo doesn't impose any restrictions on developers and most developers say that the eShop is better then XBLA and PSN in terms of freedom.

I meant in the sense that Nintendo does not support dlc to the effect ms and Sony do. And the reality of the situation is that they cannot support it as much, as their brand is a family oriented one with a large portion of their gamers being young kids. An unknowing child would be very upset, as well as the parents, if they just spent $60 and then found out they had to spend $20 more. That sounds like I'm joking but I'm not, and it is reasons like this that I'm still pulling for Nintendo. They understand a healthy games industry in ways the others do not.

Oh I miss understood that part. But they do have DLC I just think most of their DLC is initially free and then you have to pay but it is mainly extra stuff that isn't needed to continue the story.