Hardware Ray Tracing confirmend for PS5?

Ian Cutress, AnandTech: Given that Ray Tracing has been announced in the PS5 specs, can you say if that’s a specific Sony optimization or is that inherent in RDNA?

Lisa Su:We certainly have done very specific optimizations for Sony. They are a very deep partner with us on semi-custom, and there are optimizations there. However we view ray tracing as a very important element across the portfolio. We will have ray tracing in a number of places. Will you look at that, you got me to say more about ray tracing!

https://www.anandtech.com/show/14579/all-ryzen-qa-with-amd-ceo-dr-lisa-su

Oh oh @ronvalencia...

Not that it matters but it didn't confirm anything.

Oh great another Tormy and Ron shit thread. God those two are single handily fucking this board over with their opinions and nonsense over rumors and bullshit.

She is asked if Ray tracing on PS5 is special optimization for sony or inherent from RDNA

Lisa Su:We certainly have done very specific optimizations for Sony.

That is an affirmation and if you keep reading you will see she didn't want to spill the beans.

NO cry babys like you are,if you don't like my thread what the hell are you doing here..

Oh i know why you are here to throw your usual tantrum.

Best part is I made fun of a cow and some one they consider a lemming. They still mad! ROFLMAO!

@tormentos said:

@Pedro said:

Not that it matters but it didn't confirm anything.

She is asked if Ray tracing on PS5 is special optimization for sony or inherent from RDNA

Lisa Su:We certainly have done very specific optimizations for Sony.

That is an affirmation and if you keep reading you will see she didn't want to spill the beans.

@Xabiss said:

Oh great another Tormy and Ron shit thread. God those two are single handily fucking this board over with their opinions and nonsense over rumors and bullshit.

NO cry babys like you are,if you don't like my thread what the hell are you doing here..

Oh i know why you are here to throw your usual tantrum.

Well that was easy. Already hurt your little feelings. HAHAHA!

You seem to be playing on the definition of the word “confirmed” pretty loosely here. This isn’t a confirmation one way or the other.

All I read when you post. You don't agree with me so you must be a lemming. CRY!

@tormentos: Come on. That was not a confirmation. While I believe both systems would be negligibly different and I don't stay awake at night wondering if the PS5 will have hardware ray tracing or not, that is not a confirmation.

You are a lemming you fool no one but your self,as i say here i have no problem what so ever admitting i am a blind biased cow.

The worse fanboy is always the one who can't see he is one to. :)

But please stop derailing my thread with your tears and tantrum.

"This is not the confirmation you are looking for..."

Well if you see the thread it has a ? mark at the end.

So she is aked about if sony has a special optimization for raytracing or if it is inherent from RDNA and she answer that yes they did a VERY SPECIFIC optimization for sony and some how that is not a confirmation?

What the hell you people get from saying.

YES WE DID A VERY SPECIFIC OPTIMIZATION FOR SONY?

So in you lemmings words yes mean no..

Great this is another of those thread were lemms change the dictionary to reflec what they think was say instead of what was really say.

AnandTech: Given that Ray Tracing has been announced in the PS5 specs, can you say if that’s a specific Sony optimization

Lisa Su:We certainly have done very specific optimizations for Sony.

How is that not an affirmation?

If you ask me if i mix your water with tang.

And i say yes i mixed your water with tang. How is that not an affirmation?

In what world Yes means no?

When you don't have a defense start name calling. :) It is the fanboy way!

For lemmings Yes mean no.

Wait, he only called you a "lem", then you angrily called him an "idiot"?

Where exactly did you call you "names"?

Not sure you can validate getting upset by being identified by your preferred platforms pet name on this board.

Does being called a lem equate to being called a piece of shit in your eyes or something?

I hate fanboys and what they represent so it sure does.

@tormentos: You can cry “Lemming” all you want but this is still not a confirmation.

My god Sony and MS are filling their consoles with secret sauce.

Shader based, both of them.

Just because you say it doesn't make it true so keep crying about it.

@Xabiss: lol sure buddy. The whole forum calls you out on being a lem all the time

ROFLMAO! Only fanboy cows without an argument! Shows you what you all know which is nothing.

Why has xabiss derailed this thread? This is beyond ridiculous.

The thread was an informative one, not a bait thread.

Where's "hardware accelerated raytracing" for graphics confimation? I'm not interested in AMD's enginnering teams inserting 3D Audio IP into the APU.

Microsoft wasn't holding back with "hardware accelerated raytracing" confimation.

The word "However" is concerning..

Shader based bounding volume hierarchy (BVH) raytracing wouldn't be compititive against RTX TU106. Polaris IP already ray-casting DSP instructions being run on async shaders, but it's mssing BVH search engine hardware acceleration.

https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2016/08/17/amd-trueaudio-next-is-bringing-realistic-audio-to-vr

Physics-Based Audio Acoustics Rendering

Enter AMD TrueAudio Next. As part of AMD’s LiquidVR™ technology initiative aimed at enabling a fully immersive and comfortable virtual reality experience, TrueAudio Next is a scalable AMD technology that enables real-time dynamic physics-based audio acoustics rendering. It uses Radeon Rays (formerly AMD FireRays) to enable the entire soundscape to be modeled physically, with more than 32 stereo 2-second convolution sources.

Both NVIDIA and MS has defined BVH raytracing as DXR API and RTX hardware, and AMD has to follow thier lead.

Mcrosoft already delcared "hardware acclerated" raytracing which is fix function acclerated hardware for hierarchy search tree and intersect test higher level functions.

It's not logical for Microsoft to depart from DXR's bounding volume hierarchy (BVH) search tree structure.

For hierarchy raytracing , the alternative to bounding volume hierarchy (BVH) tree structure is Octree/K-d trees structure.

This forum has recently become overflooded with speculations about how powerful the PS5 / next Xbox might be. It's getting boring. Can we focus a bit more on current gen, guys?

Now this is interesting, SAPPHIRE registers Radeon RX 5950/5900 (XT), RX 5850/5800 (XT)

To be honest its mostly the cows about the PS5 with ray tracing, no loading, BC, etc, etc, etc.

All threads that claim something that hasn't been announced by Sony/Microsoft should have Rumour in title.

Nothings is confirmed unless its announced by them.

This rumour adds wait to it being hardware based but by no means confirms it.

Not even a confirmation.

Again the worse fanboys are the ones who can't see them self as been one.

You are a lemming and i have pointed out alrerady tons of times your double standard when it comes to sony vs ms threads.

Hell you downplay this thread and me and ronvalencia rumors,when this thread is based on coments Lisa Su made which are bake up with a link,is not a rumor.

Yet on Juub thread which is based on a rumor you don't say shit and i call you for it.

Is that kind of pathetic double standard which make you look like a lemming worse a cry baby as well.

Ian Cutress, AnandTech: Given that Ray Tracing has been announced in the PS5 specs, can you say if that’s a specific Sony optimization or is that inherent in RDNA?

Lisa Su:We certainly have done very specific optimizations for Sony.

WTF is wrong with you people.

She was openly asked that given that sony announced raytracing,if she can SAY were ever it was an specific SONY optimization or inherent from RDMA and she openly say.

We certainly have done very specific optimization for SONY.

This ^^ tell us that AMD did something specific for sony for raytracing.

She doesn't have to say is hardware based when SHE openly say they make a specific optimization for sony.

They are a very deep partner with us on semi-custom, and there are optimizations there.

Then she say this ^^after and again confirm optimization there.

The optimization AMD does with sony are hardware based not software based as sony up until now has use Free BSD as OS and has its own tools as well.

You mean the same shit that was confirmed for scarlet and also discuss here.?

Very true. And I do agree with pmanden it's too much PS5 ( Xbox Scarlet) speculations and not enough solid evidence to back them up either.

Alright guys, enough personal attacks and fanwars bullshit. It's been out of control lately. You don't win an argument with attacks on "all you lems" or "stupid cows"

There is absolutely no chance of it being a software specific optimization. Really that's your take from what has been said.

It could be true, but its far from being confirmed.

Lisa Su dodged the question with PS5's raytracing.

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Ian Cutress, AnandTech: Given that Ray Tracing has been announced in the PS5 specs, can you say if that’s a specific Sony optimization or is that inherent in RDNA?

Lisa Su: We certainly have done very specific optimizations for Sony. They are a very deep partner with us on semi-custom, and there are optimizations there. However we view ray tracing as a very important element across the portfolio. We will have ray tracing in a number of places. Will you look at that, you got me to say more about ray tracing!

Lisa: We certainly have done very specific optimizations for Sony. (we already know that)

Lisa: They are a very deep partner with us on semi-custom, and there are optimizations there (we already know that)

Lisa: However we view ray tracing as a very important element across the portfolio. (Lisa is dodging the issue, the issue is PS5's ray-tracing)

Lisa: We will have ray tracing in a number of places. (Lisa is dodging the issue, the issue is PS5's ray-tracing)

Lisa Su didn't outright declare PS5 has "hardware acclerated" raytracing.

Btw

David Wang, AMD: We started RDNA before the Sony engagement. I think RDNA is revolutionary, and it is very flexible in terms of being able to be customized for different types of workloads.

NAVI was designed before the Sony engagement, hence debunking https://segmentnext.com/2018/06/13/amd-navi-sony-playstation-5/

Look forward to Twisted Metal 2 Ray Traced.

I don't see how saying "all you lems" would be a personal attack at all.

We might as well get rid of the platform pet names all together if we're going to go that far. Not that I care. It might make this place better and force people to focus on the poster they're having a debate with instead of resorting to platform fanboy generalizations.

"Stupic cows" however? 100%. Not sure why you didn't use the same "stupid" prerequisite for lems or something else that's actually derogatory when mentioning xbox fans but wutevs.

I do agree, however, there's always a knee jerk group that ALWAYS resort to personal attacks as their first method of arguments here on this board.

This group has forgotten that this is a video game discussion board and only seek to turn everything into a personal pissing match because of some weird hate they've formed toward specific posters or general hate for others affiliation so they try to derails threads with these kinds of personal attacks in 85 to 90% of the topics here.

Make a valid system wars thread (no matter what the topic) and you'll see these posters launch these attacks doing everything they can to demean and flame the posters they don't like and act as if that WON the debate.

It's tiresome and I don't think that kind of tactic should be a valid method of debate on a board about video games.

LOL. Not with people like you around.

I can't even believe this guy wrote that when he is one of the biggest instigators of all of it.

@boxrekt: I didn't say "all you lems" is a personal attack.

I was addressing personal attacks AND fanwars. I've seen an endless stream of threads lately get derailed by "lems always do this" and "cows always do that".

Those are dumb generalizations. Everyone knows it's individuals acting certain ways, and we have rules against fighting against the fanbase rather than the system for this reason.

So - let's all dial the personal attacks back AND the fanwars (separately or in conjunction as the case may be for different posters)

Ok, I'm fine with that. But I'd just like to point out:

Exibit A and B ^ @xantufrog.

Even in a discussion about ending personal attacks, some you still see exactly what I just described to you in this very conversation.

These guys felt the need to attack me and make angry accusations to criticize ME in my conversation with you WHY exactly??? This is exactly what I'm talking about.

"With people like you around"

and

"he is one of the biggest instigators of all of it"

WTH huh?

So, I'm discussion getting rid of these silly personal fanboy attacks and focus on debates about games and lol I get jumped for no reason, as usual, with personal attacks.

On one hand @Pedro seems to think he knows what kind of person I am and holds some kind of fanwar grudge against me. And @Xabiss who co-signed with him called ME the biggest instigator, yet HE was the one in this very thread to call @pdogg93 an "idiot" for no reason.

This is the norm.

These posters like this try to argue that other posters are the problem but the fact is they lash out simply because they don't like our opinion and use fan affiliation to flame users and start these personal attacks.

The last thing you said was:

I heard you and all for it. But it not going to work if the ones who are the actually starting this don't get the notice.