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#1 KzJoe
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I'm about 5 hours in and all I can say is WOW ... THE GRAPHICS !! and THE GAMEPLAY and THE STORY !! jeez after just playing Final Fantasy IV DS right before getting this it makes it seem sooo much better than I thought it would be ...

Why the hell do people hate on this game ?? does it have a bad ending or something ??

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#2 Wasdie  Moderator
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Wait until your 10-20 hours in and the gameplay hasn't changed one bit. Then you'll realize what people say when it is far to linear.

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#3 LegatoSkyheart
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FF 6, 7, 8, 9, 10

all say no and the battle rages on for the best Final Fantasy.

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#4 ChaltierX
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I'm really enjoying it as well. The only thing I don't like is how you can only control one character in battle.

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#5 ocidax
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DId you play FFVII?

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#6 lundy86_4
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There are better FF's, but it's still great.

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#7 nintendo-4life
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Wait until your 10-20 hours in and the gameplay hasn't changed one bit. Then you'll realize what people say when it is far to linear.

Wasdie
there is a BIG difference between 10 and 20 hours :|, and no. The game changes a lot throughout the first few hours. If you're talking about the level design then you are playing the game for the wrong reasons.
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#8 ghost392
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Wait until your 10-20 hours in and the gameplay hasn't changed one bit. Then you'll realize what people say when it is far to linear.

Wasdie
Exactly and 9 is the best VIVI FTW
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#9 jasonharris48
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FFXIII is a good game but not one of the best FF titles. It suffers from to many design flaws to be considered on the greatest FF titles especially the pacing.

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#10 SRTtoZ
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The ONLY problem with it is its a good game, but not a great game...Like most other Final fantasies I just couldnt put the controller down...when I play 13, after an hour I am kinda like "hmm, maybe I should play some WoW...or maybe some God of war...or maybe" etc. Its just too damn easy to put down.

I am a few hours in and it basically goes like this...

Cutscene...fight, cutscene fight, cutscene fight...theres no RPG element to it SO far...all the save points are where I buy stuff? Are you serious?

So while its a GOOD game, its just not Great to me.

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#11 texasgoldrush
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This along with II and X-2 is the worst FF title.
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#12 CDUB316
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DId you play FFVII?

ocidax

oh, you mean that highly overrated game that everyone thinks is god?

lmao

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#13 KzJoe
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This along with II and X-2 is the worst FF title.texasgoldrush
FF II is beast how dare you !!
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#14 humber_matus
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its a different game ...
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#15 Marka1700
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Wait until your 10-20 hours in and the gameplay hasn't changed one bit. Then you'll realize what people say when it is far to linear.

Wasdie

Gameplay in most games stays relatively similar from start to finish. Were you expecting something different form this game?

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#16 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]This along with II and X-2 is the worst FF title.KzJoe
FF II is beast how dare you !!

the real FFII, not FFIV
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#17 Bigboi500
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DId you play FFVII?

ocidax

Yep and I like this one better overall.

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#18 Ibacai
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Ehhhhh, no. It's not bad by any means but it's far outpaced by 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 12. That would mean that FFXIII is worse then 7 of the 13 (We don't talk about X-2) FF's. Middling for the series really. Looks sweet, though. :D
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#19 Kashiwaba
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So far from what I played

FF8>FF6>FF7>FF4 DS remake> FF9>FF10>FF13>FF11>FF12>FF3 DS remake

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#20 LegatoSkyheart
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[QUOTE="KzJoe"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]This along with II and X-2 is the worst FF title.texasgoldrush
FF II is beast how dare you !!

the real FFII, not FFIV

I kinda liked FFII, it was too short though.

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#21 Rza_rectah
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[QUOTE="ghost392"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Wait until your 10-20 hours in and the gameplay hasn't changed one bit. Then you'll realize what people say when it is far to linear.

Exactly and 9 is the best VIVI FTW

QTF vivi is the best FF character ever.
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#23 black_tempest
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I really enjoyed it, one of my favourite games this gen, but in my opinion it's definitely not the best FF
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#24 CleanPlayer
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I'm 6 hours into it...I honestly think it has the best battle system
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#25 dreman999
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[QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]

So far from what I played

FF8>FF6>FF7>FF4 DS remake> FF9>FF10>FF13>FF11>FF12>FF3 DS remake

I bet your one of those people that hates it when people tell ff8 sucks.....Which it does.
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#26 lundy86_4
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[QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]

So far from what I played

FF8>FF6>FF7>FF4 DS remake> FF9>FF10>FF13>FF11>FF12>FF3 DS remake

dreman999

I bet your one of those people that hates it when people tell ff8 sucks.....Which it does.

Meh. Disagree, as I found FF8 to be one of my favourites. Wasn't the best though.

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#27 Abicus7
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Its a great game but lacks the elements needed to be one of the best FF's.

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#28 jasonharris48
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[QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]

So far from what I played

FF8>FF6>FF7>FF4 DS remake> FF9>FF10>FF13>FF11>FF12>FF3 DS remake

dreman999

I bet your one of those people that hates it when people tell ff8 sucks.....Which it does.

You forgot to add "In my opinion". I am also a fan of FFVIII lol. IMO FFTactics> FFVI>FFIX>FFXII>FFVIII (my top 5 Ff titles)

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#29 Kashiwaba
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[QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]

So far from what I played

FF8>FF6>FF7>FF4 DS remake> FF9>FF10>FF13>FF11>FF12>FF3 DS remake

dreman999

I bet your one of those people that hates it when people tell ff8 sucks.....Which it does.

No I dont different people got different taste and I know this but I like FF8 the most.

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#30 Rza_rectah
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[QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]

[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]

So far from what I played

FF8>FF6>FF7>FF4 DS remake> FF9>FF10>FF13>FF11>FF12>FF3 DS remake

I bet your one of those people that hates it when people tell ff8 sucks.....Which it does.

No I dont different people got different taste and I know this but I like FF8 the most.

ff 8 is a great game I used to hate it then I understood the junction system and everything just felt right.
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#31 Arach666
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[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]

So far from what I played

FF8>FF6>FF7>FF4 DS remake> FF9>FF10>FF13>FF11>FF12>FF3 DS remake

I bet your one of those people that hates it when people tell ff8 sucks.....Which it does.

Actually,FFVIII is the best FF game I played so far. [spoiler] and I played them all ;) [/spoiler]
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#32 Ace6301
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I really like it. It's not the best but I would say it's certainly a welcome edition to the series though. Beat it today and entire time it was awesome. Best to me is still FFVII and yes I've played them all except for III.
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#33 dream431ca
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FF9 for me.

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#34 fend_oblivion
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No, not exactly... I found 9, 7 to be the far better games. I just started FF 8 properly, it's okay so far... I'm only playing this game for "Eyes On Me" so I don't expect much.

Trust me, you'd probably breeze through 13 till you reach Gran Pulse. Once you get here, if you don't grind, you're gonna have holy hell when you do the remaining story portions... I suggest you grind beforehand to avoid this OP. Atleast you get some variety.

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It's hard to judge where it's place is in the series, because typically the games are judged more based on story than actual gameplay. It's almost like there should be two different lists.

As far as gameplay goes, I think FFXIII is the best so far, maybe rivaled by FFXII.

But with story as the priority, I think it would go something like 1. FFX 2. FFVIII 3. FFVII 4. FFIX 5. FFXIII

Ultimately the story is "good," but it needs to be fleshed out. The actually storytelling in FFVII isn't any better than FFXIII nor is it in FFIX, but their stories are much larger, more cohesive pictures. But idk. Maybe I'm being unfair. The good news is that the story is better than IV, V, VI imo.

Edit: Thinking more on it, I might rank FFIX above FFVII if I'm to do it objectively. FFIX and FFXIII are very similar storywise imo, so I have a sense of wanting to group them together, but another part of me just seems to think that FFIX tells a more substantial story (lit. there's more).

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#36 caughtjoo
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[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]

So far from what I played

FF8>FF6>FF7>FF4 DS remake> FF9>FF10>FF13>FF11>FF12>FF3 DS remake

lundy86_4

I bet your one of those people that hates it when people tell ff8 sucks.....Which it does.

Meh. Disagree, as I found FF8 to be one of my favourites. Wasn't the best though.

Which was 9 correct? :D

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#37 caughtjoo
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It's hard to judge where it's place is in the series, because typically the games are judged more based on story than actual gameplay. It's almost like there should be two different lists.

As far as gameplay goes, I think FFXIII is the best so far, maybe rivaled by FFXII.

But with story as the priority, I think it would go something like 1. FFX 2. FFVIII 3. FFVII 4. FFIX 5. FFXIII

Ultimately the story is "good," but it needs to be fleshed out. The actually storytelling in FFVII isn't any better than FFXIII nor is it in FFIX, but their stories are much larger, more cohesive pictures. But idk. Maybe I'm being unfair. The good news is that the story is better than IV, V, VI imo.

Edit: Thinking more on it, I might rank FFIX above FFVII if I'm to do it objectively. FFIX and FFXIII are very similar storywise imo, so I have a sense of wanting to group them together, but another part of me just seems to think that FFIX tells a more substantial story (lit. there's more).

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I think it had something to do with Text vs Cut scenes. The PS1 games felt more like you were reading a book than just *(no offense to the latter establishments, its the way the technology evolved)* watching T.V.
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#38 Menalque2
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The trouble with the battle system is that it likes to put itself across as more deep and tactical than it really is. Many of the decisions you make on which roles to assign to the lead character depend on how much you see yourself counting on the utterly lousy team AI to perform the correct moves. In fact, this is probably much more important than picking the right attack/defense formation, Incidentally, I loved the rest of the game, but the fighting gameplay needs a major overhaul if you ask me. Maybe something more like FFXII.

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#39 fend_oblivion
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The trouble with the battle system is that it likes to put itself across as more deep and tactical than it really is. Many of the decisions you make on which roles to assign to the lead character depend on how much you see yourself counting on the utterly lousy team AI to perform the correct moves. In fact, this is probably much more important than picking the right attack/defense formation, Incidentally, I loved the rest of the game, but the fighting gameplay needs a major overhaul if you ask me. Maybe something more like FFXII.

Menalque2

I like the Gambit system too. I wish they could bring it back for some other installments...

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#40 deactivated-5d6e91f5c147a
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I like FF13, but no. Not even close.
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#41 texasgoldrush
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Gameplay: FFV is the best battle system, FFVI for best exploration

Story : FFVI duh

Characters : FFVI yet again

Graphics (Artistic): I will go with FFIX orFFX

Music: FFVI

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#42 hakanakumono
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[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

It's hard to judge where it's place is in the series, because typically the games are judged more based on story than actual gameplay. It's almost like there should be two different lists.

As far as gameplay goes, I think FFXIII is the best so far, maybe rivaled by FFXII.

But with story as the priority, I think it would go something like 1. FFX 2. FFVIII 3. FFVII 4. FFIX 5. FFXIII

Ultimately the story is "good," but it needs to be fleshed out. The actually storytelling in FFVII isn't any better than FFXIII nor is it in FFIX, but their stories are much larger, more cohesive pictures. But idk. Maybe I'm being unfair. The good news is that the story is better than IV, V, VI imo.

Edit: Thinking more on it, I might rank FFIX above FFVII if I'm to do it objectively. FFIX and FFXIII are very similar storywise imo, so I have a sense of wanting to group them together, but another part of me just seems to think that FFIX tells a more substantial story (lit. there's more).

caughtjoo

I think it had something to do with Text vs Cut scenes. The PS1 games felt more like you were reading a book than just *(no offense to the latter establishments, its the way the technology evolved)* watching T.V.

I don't think thats it. With the PS1 games, cutscenes were longer than ever before (especially in VIII and IX) rather than the brief interactions present in VI and XIII. Sometimes the short cutscenes interpsersed thorughout FFXIII are it's strength, providing something the series has never been able to before - for example Lightning and Hope's journey just through the forest is one of the best storytelling moments in the series. It's amazing how the story is able to develop the characters and provide so much for the story amidst what would normally count as a filler dungeon.

On the other hand the short cutscene just doesn't work for things like meeting Cid Raines that needed to be longer, like the PS1 Final Fantasies would have made it. Things don't "steep" in FFXIII and that's one of it's biggest problems.

Of course, another problem with FFXIII is that it's fully voiced and in HD. The juvenile presentation is very similar to FFIX, but by nature FFXIII is more "in your face" about it just because of the way that it's made.

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#43 envybianchi
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I'm about 5 hours in and all I can say is WOW ... THE GRAPHICS !! and THE GAMEPLAY and THE STORY !! jeez after just playing Final Fantasy IV DS right before getting this it makes it seem sooo much better than I thought it would be ...

Why the hell do people hate on this game ?? does it have a bad ending or something ??

KzJoe

I don't know why people hate on it but I am jealous I can't play since my 60GB YLOD-ed on me. Have fun!

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#44 blazinpuertoroc
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I like FF13, but no. Not even close.siLVURcross
This. I am enjoying the game but the pacing, linearity, lack of compelling villains, hold the game back IMO. Im on Chapter 13 btw.

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#45 Vesica_Prime
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To answer the question.

No.

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#46 zidan4000
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FF 6, 7, 8, 9, 10

all say no and the battle rages on for the best Final Fantasy.

LegatoSkyheart
yes i would play any of these FF games anyday with overdated graphics instead of playing a leaner and shallow game FF game with extreme graphics, that proves good graphics never means good game.
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#47 W1ckedGo0se
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I'm 25 hours in and I've played Final Fantasy 1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 , and 12 before 13. I love Final Fantasy 13 right now. The Combat is a lot of fun and I don't think of the linearity of the game as a problem. It really fits in the story that you would not be wondering around and visiting city's randomly when everyone in them hates you. I'm in chapter 10 and I tend to use Fang, Sazh, and Vanille.
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#48 jwsoul
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Wait until your 10-20 hours in and the gameplay hasn't changed one bit. Then you'll realize what people say when it is far to linear.

Wasdie
It dose not remain Linear for the entire game. 20 Hour mark you should be at the Stepees i think or near them as well. End game content is all open ended. The battle system dose not stop evolving until about the 20 hour mark as well when you finally have to start using Sentinels. The game is fun fast paced and interesting. Its an OUTRIGHT lie saying the game play has not changed by the 10 - 20 hour mark as i have already pointed out you unlock more of the battle system as the game progresses so how has the game play not changed?
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#49 WilliamRLBaker
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No...Not even close let alone FF6 my fav blows away for me every other Final Fantasy, I don't even considered FF13 to be a true Final Fantasy or an RPG for that matter from what I've seen. I've been tempted to actually test it for my self go rent ps3 ff13 and 360 ff13 play one and the other at the same time spaced a good bit apart so One is my learning partner the other uses the experience I've gained from that... but it was easy to dismiss the idea.

I have no real urge to actually play them just a small curiosity.

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4,6,7,8, 9, 10.